And when the health care system gets overwhelmed, which it will, they are going to slash medicare, just like everyone said.
Here is the "death panel":
HEALTH CARE BILL Page 733—Section 1401:
Establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using? such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britains National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than &35,000.
I'm sorry I watched the video but I think it was nothing more then propaganda.. Yes people come to America to get cutting edge heath care.. They are the RICH people that have money.. And when we are no longer cutting edge thoes rich people will go somewhere else BIG deal, we are talking about getting health care for poor and middle class people.. I could care less if the rich people have access to cutting edge health care. Let the rich americans travel to INDIA for cutting edge, they wanted to send all the jobs over there, so make them go there if they want a heart bypass.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
If the rich have to travel to India for a heart bypass then where does that leave the poor people?
I'm sorry I watched the video but I think it was nothing more then propaganda.. Yes people come to America to get cutting edge heath care.. They are the RICH people that have money.. And when we are no longer cutting edge thoes rich people will go somewhere else BIG deal, we are talking about getting health care for poor and middle class people.. I could care less if the rich people have access to cutting edge health care. Let the rich americans travel to INDIA for cutting edge, they wanted to send all the jobs over there, so make them go there if they want a heart bypass.
It's well documented that people in Canada wait for months for care. Same in the UK. Your post is uninformed, opinionated rambling.
OP your missing the point!!!! people DIE in the
U.S. because they can't afford heath care. But ya, I see how a anti heathcare pumper could call it rambling..
I'm sorry I watched the video but I think it was nothing more then propaganda.. Yes people come to America to get cutting edge heath care.. They are the RICH people that have money.. And when we are no longer cutting edge thoes rich people will go somewhere else BIG deal, we are talking about getting health care for poor and middle class people.. I could care less if the rich people have access to cutting edge health care. Let the rich americans travel to INDIA for cutting edge, they wanted to send all the jobs over there, so make them go there if they want a heart bypass.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804155 11/4/2009 11:49 PM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
I think FoxNews has a better health plan, than the other networks, they always end up with the ill reporters, Tony Snow, Gerardo, Glenn Beck (substance abuse). I'm looking to see if they got that poor anchor guy that had half his head blown-in at Iraq. He reappeared briefly, and disappeared. I forgot his name.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810666 11/4/2009 11:50 PM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
I'm sorry I watched the video but I think it was nothing more then propaganda.. Yes people come to America to get cutting edge heath care.. They are the RICH people that have money.. And when we are no longer cutting edge thoes rich people will go somewhere else BIG deal, we are talking about getting health care for poor and middle class people.. I could care less if the rich people have access to cutting edge health care. Let the rich americans travel to INDIA for cutting edge, they wanted to send all the jobs over there, so make them go there if they want a heart bypass.
It's well documented that people in Canada wait for months for care. Same in the UK. Your post is uninformed, opinionated rambling.
OP your missing the point!!!! people DIE in the
U.S. because they can't afford heath care. But ya, I see how a anti heathcare pumper could call it rambling..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
fucking dumbass...i'm broke as shit, my health care is free thanks to a private church health clinic, when i did have to go to the hospital, they sent me a bill AND a letter stating that because of my income level they were waiving it...nobody fucking dies from being poor in America unless they are drug addicts or gangsters. Get over your guilt WE ARE THE BEST MOTHERFUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! DEAL WITH IT, IT'S TRUE!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768075 11/4/2009 11:51 PM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
wow, TrInItY I didnt know you were so disconnected from society .. I'll stick with the Michael Moore point of view, sicko was a great 360 view of heathcare.. like I sad when cutting edge heathcare gets outsourced, the rich can go to india when they have an issue... I wont feel sorry for them...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 806857 (OP) 11/4/2009 11:53 PM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
It's pretty telling when ABC fires this reporter for doing this story isn't it?
I'm getting pretty sick of this shit out of the main stream media...
We are nearing a breaking point from which there is no return...
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Yeah really. But it does explain alot of the lying and shilling going on at CNN and MSNBC. They are probably afraid for their jobs. The internet is taking over, their days are numbered.
Interesting new avatar, TRIN.
BTW people. In regards to the second vid I posted, I'm Jewish so don't even try to call me anti-semetic.
wow, TrInItY I didnt know you were so disconnected from society .. I'll stick with the Michael Moore point of view, sicko was a great 360 view of heathcare.. like I sad when cutting edge heathcare gets outsourced, the rich can go to india when they have an issue... I wont feel sorry for them...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
you're a fucking idiot man
seriously
you feel disenfranchised so you say "fuck the rich"
it's the rich that provide you with a fucking job you moron
if the rich have to goto india for a heart bypass what fucking chance do the poor have?
how stupid can you be man? Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810669 11/4/2009 11:57 PM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
wow, TrInItY I didnt know you were so disconnected from society .. I'll stick with the Michael Moore point of view, sicko was a great 360 view of heathcare.. like I sad when cutting edge heathcare gets outsourced, the rich can go to india when they have an issue... I wont feel sorry for them...
you're a fucking idiot man
seriously
you feel disenfranchised so you say "fuck the rich"
it's the rich that provide you with a fucking job you moron
if the rich have to goto india for a heart bypass what fucking chance do the poor have?
how stupid can you be man?
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
JOB
Just
Over
Broke
People are tired of making just enough to get by... Oh and yes, my and my friends JOB was outsourced to india..
So ya great life trying to compete with insourced south american labor ..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810672 11/5/2009 12:05 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
People are tired of making just enough to get by... Oh and yes, my and my friends JOB was outsourced to india..
So ya great life trying to compete with insourced south american labor ..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
let me ask you something
what do you think a rich person has that you don't?
just exactly WHY is that rich person rich egh?
you ever stop to think about that?
look at your attitude man
it's painfully obvious to me why you are poor
you make excuses instead of taking action
you sit around and make excuses for your failures instead of doing something about it
that's why you're poor and will ALWAYS be poor
you want to be successful?
start doing what successful people DO
you can start by taking action instead of making excuses for yourself
If you think some free ride is coming for the usa where you can redistribute the wealth that smart people have earned to all the idiots and you're going to get some free ride into the lap of luxury and a worry free life you better think again
see what you fail to realize is smart 'rich' people are rich because they plan MANY MANY MOVES AHEAD...
they make contingency plans for their contingency plans...
if the current trend continues you'll just drive every last entrepreneur / innovator out of the country and you'll be left stuck in your new 3rd world status USA...
is that what you want?
because that's what's coming for you
you're not going to get some free ride and maintain your current high level of comfort & 'rich poor man' lifestyle
you want to know what poor really is go to mexico for a week dip shit
but then you probably don't even have a passport and have never even left the country like most people of your stature
you just THINK you got it bad now..
just pray you don't get your wish and get the socialism you so foolishly think will make your life 'better'...
pray amigo...
pray
Last Edited by ^TrInItY^ on 11/5/2009 at 12:17 AM Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 771342 11/5/2009 12:10 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
I think FoxNews has a better health plan, than the other networks, they always end up with the ill reporters, Tony Snow, Gerardo, Glenn Beck (substance abuse). I'm looking to see if they got that poor anchor guy that had half his head blown-in at Iraq. He reappeared briefly, and disappeared. I forgot his name.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804155
his name is... Bob Woodruff...he got a TBI and had a great recovery...
btw..i'm sure you have never "abused" a substance...sure sparky
Anonymous Coward User ID: 798834 11/5/2009 12:11 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
I'm sorry I watched the video but I think it was nothing more then propaganda.. Yes people come to America to get cutting edge heath care.. They are the RICH people that have money.. And when we are no longer cutting edge thoes rich people will go somewhere else BIG deal, we are talking about getting health care for poor and middle class people.. I could care less if the rich people have access to cutting edge health care. Let the rich americans travel to INDIA for cutting edge, they wanted to send all the jobs over there, so make them go there if they want a heart bypass.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
You either didn't watch the video or your comprehension abilities are sadly lacking - public 'skool' graduate?
Jeff Rense says this reporter was fired the next day.
I'm not surprised.
What did he do? He was only reporting the truth. Fired for reporting the truth??? How terrible and scary. What is this country coming to..
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810669
Yeah because it's not like the truth hasn't been supressed before in the history of this country. Fascism plain and simple and until most of our species decides to come up with a better plan for all guess whose going to win no matter what form it takes on. 0 3 5 6 7 9 12 15 17 19 23 28 29 31 33 35 42 47 53 66 57 77 88 89
The magenta and gray leader of KIA
Those who trust dogs will be led by dogs the only law is that of the true creation.
If you divide others you will always be divided yourself.
Consciousness in Christ (77) is abundant (77) in power (77).
See with your true eye and all will be revealed.
28/42
Anonymous Coward User ID: 806857 (OP) 11/5/2009 12:15 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
wow, TrInItY I didnt know you were so disconnected from society .. I'll stick with the Michael Moore point of view, sicko was a great 360 view of heathcare.. like I sad when cutting edge heathcare gets outsourced, the rich can go to india when they have an issue... I wont feel sorry for them...
you're a fucking idiot man
seriously
you feel disenfranchised so you say "fuck the rich"
it's the rich that provide you with a fucking job you moron
if the rich have to goto india for a heart bypass what fucking chance do the poor have?
how stupid can you be man?
JOB
Just
Over
Broke
People are tired of making just enough to get by... Oh and yes, my and my friends JOB was outsourced to india..
So ya great life trying to compete with insourced south american labor ..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
Idiot. We have some of the best healthcare in the world.
The cost problem comes from the ridiculous administrative overhead by the HMO system ( watch the second vid I posted ).
Now, if you ask old people and doctors alike, they will BOTH say "yes get rid of the HMO system".
Obama has NO PLANS on getting rid of the HMO system! He is going to cut costs by cutting CARE. And despite the lies from Nancy Pelosi the insurance companies are all for this because they don't want to play for an aging population.
You clearly know nothing on this subject and get your opinions from bad movies. You should be embarrassed by your ignorance on this subject.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768075 11/5/2009 12:20 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
what do you think a rich person has that you don't?
just exactly WHY is that rich person rich egh?
you ever stop to think about that?
look at your attitude man
it's painfully obvious to me why you are poor
you make excuses instead of taking action
you sit around and make excuses for your failures instead of doing something about it
that's why you're poor and will ALWAYS be poor
you want to be successful?
start doing what successful people DO
you can start by taking action instead of making excuses for yourself
If you think some free ride is coming for the usa where you can redistribute the wealth that smart people have earned to all the idiots and you're going to get some free ride into the lap of luxury and worry free life you better think again
see what you fail to realize is smart 'rich' people are rich because they plan MANY MANY MOVES AHEAD...
they make contingency plans for their contingency plans...
if the current trend continues you'll just drive every last entrepreneur / innovator out of the country and you'll be left stuck in your new 3rd world status USA...
is that what you want?
because that's what's coming for you
you're not going to get some free ride and maintain your current high level of comfort & 'rich poor man' lifestyle
you want to know what poor really is go to mexico for a week dip shit
but then you probably don't even have a passport and have never even left the country like most people of your stature
you just THINK you got it bad now..
just pray you don't get your wish and get the socialism you so foolishly think will make your life 'better'...
pray amigo...
pray
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Trin, I am "successful" I never said I was POOR.. I came up the HARD way, and I would never want anyone else to deal with the issues I had when it came to health care on the way up.. I'm a humanitarian, and yes I do take issue with American heathcare.. I buy a policy to provide for me when I am ill... Why should a "share holder" of my insurance provider have ANY say in my level of heath care. What stake does the share holder have in the game, they don't pay for my policy..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768075 11/5/2009 12:24 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
Idiot. We have some of the best healthcare in the world.
The cost problem comes from the ridiculous administrative overhead by the HMO system ( watch the second vid I posted ).
Now, if you ask old people and doctors alike, they will BOTH say "yes get rid of the HMO system".
Obama has NO PLANS on getting rid of the HMO system! He is going to cut costs by cutting CARE. And despite the lies from Nancy Pelosi the insurance companies are all for this because they don't want to play for an aging population.
You clearly know nothing on this subject and get your opinions from bad movies. You should be embarrassed by your ignorance on this subject.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806857
"Idiot" thats all you got to come at me with, to call me an idiot? I feel sorry for you I really do.. Does the fact that you can call someone an Idiot make you feel "empowered" that is sad.. very sad..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810480 11/5/2009 12:26 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
We have universal health care here in my country and yes, you have to wait months to see a doctor and then years if you need something like a surgery. If you need a doctor immediately you need health insurance or pay it yourself.
Trin, I am "successful" I never said I was POOR.. I came up the HARD way, and I would never want anyone else to deal with the issues I had when it came to health care on the way up.. I'm a humanitarian, and yes I do take issue with American heathcare.. I buy a policy to provide for me when I am ill... Why should a "share holder" of my insurance provider have ANY say in my level of heath care. What stake does the share holder have in the game, they don't pay for my policy..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
yet you want to let government decide your level of care?
I'm sorry but you're not making a rational argument AT ALL
I'm forced to conclude you have an agenda
Last Edited by ^TrInItY^ on 11/5/2009 at 12:31 AM Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
what do you think a rich person has that you don't?
just exactly WHY is that rich person rich egh?
you ever stop to think about that?
look at your attitude man
it's painfully obvious to me why you are poor
you make excuses instead of taking action
you sit around and make excuses for your failures instead of doing something about it
that's why you're poor and will ALWAYS be poor
you want to be successful?
start doing what successful people DO
you can start by taking action instead of making excuses for yourself
If you think some free ride is coming for the usa where you can redistribute the wealth that smart people have earned to all the idiots and you're going to get some free ride into the lap of luxury and a worry free life you better think again
see what you fail to realize is smart 'rich' people are rich because they plan MANY MANY MOVES AHEAD...
they make contingency plans for their contingency plans...
if the current trend continues you'll just drive every last entrepreneur / innovator out of the country and you'll be left stuck in your new 3rd world status USA...
is that what you want?
because that's what's coming for you
you're not going to get some free ride and maintain your current high level of comfort & 'rich poor man' lifestyle
you want to know what poor really is go to mexico for a week dip shit
but then you probably don't even have a passport and have never even left the country like most people of your stature
you just THINK you got it bad now..
just pray you don't get your wish and get the socialism you so foolishly think will make your life 'better'...
pray amigo...
pray
Quoting: ^TrInItY^
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 809969 11/5/2009 12:29 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
I'm sorry I watched the video but I think it was nothing more then propaganda.. Yes people come to America to get cutting edge heath care.. They are the RICH people that have money.. And when we are no longer cutting edge thoes rich people will go somewhere else BIG deal, we are talking about getting health care for poor and middle class people.. I could care less if the rich people have access to cutting edge health care. Let the rich americans travel to INDIA for cutting edge, they wanted to send all the jobs over there, so make them go there if they want a heart bypass.
It's well documented that people in Canada wait for months for care. Same in the UK. Your post is uninformed, opinionated rambling.
People wait months and years in the US as it is.
Quoting: Greenhorn
yOU ARE FULL OF gd SHIT! The only people I know waiting on anything are people waiting on organs.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768075 11/5/2009 12:29 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
fucking dumbass...i'm broke as shit, my health care is free thanks to a private church health clinic, when i did have to go to the hospital, they sent me a bill AND a letter stating that because of my income level they were waiving it...nobody fucking dies from being poor in America unless they are drug addicts or gangsters. Get over your guilt WE ARE THE BEST MOTHERFUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! DEAL WITH IT, IT'S TRUE!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810666
Lucky you, maybe some day the hospital will set you outside the homeless shelter when you can't pay your bill... It happens..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 806857 (OP) 11/5/2009 12:31 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
Idiot. We have some of the best healthcare in the world.
The cost problem comes from the ridiculous administrative overhead by the HMO system ( watch the second vid I posted ).
Now, if you ask old people and doctors alike, they will BOTH say "yes get rid of the HMO system".
Obama has NO PLANS on getting rid of the HMO system! He is going to cut costs by cutting CARE. And despite the lies from Nancy Pelosi the insurance companies are all for this because they don't want to play for an aging population.
You clearly know nothing on this subject and get your opinions from bad movies. You should be embarrassed by your ignorance on this subject.
"Idiot" thats all you got to come at me with, to call me an idiot? I feel sorry for you I really do.. Does the fact that you can call someone an Idiot make you feel "empowered" that is sad.. very sad..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
Apparently, you lacked the ability to read the rest of my fairly detailed response. Apparently, you lost your train of thought right after the first word.
Try to read it again, genius...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768075 11/5/2009 12:32 AM
Re: ABC's John Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan
OP your missing the point!!!! people DIE in the
U.S. because they can't afford heath care. But ya, I see how a anti heathcare pumper could call it rambling..
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768075
That is an absolute LIE! It is illegal in the United States to deny ANYONE healthcare even if you are uninsured or even homeless. No one here dies in the streets from lack of healthcare. Stop your shillin' BS LIES!
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