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| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:14 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Keep your FAG sexual preferences to yourself, no need to deny it, I dont care...
Equal rights under the law IS the Constitution. Or have I been mislead to believe otherwise? Breath life in to that piece of paper. So far I see lip service from you, not any real understanding. Sorry, you are an apologist for those that would trash the Constitution's real intent....
I have No sympathy for assholes like you who cant take a principled stand, no matter how "unpopular" it might be...
Your agenda posted here from your very own group's website is not something I can or will ever support. It moves far beyond equal rights under the law for gay couples. Quoting: chalcedony
You show your idiocy by calling that nonsensical spam my group, my source, when I have not claimed it or posted it,,,
I speak for myself to you, in my own words. And YOU cringe and hide.
LMAO...
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| chalcedony
User ID: 576799
11/5/2009 6:17 AM
 | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
So you do not support this statement? What do you disagree with? Please do enlighten us.
[link to www.beyondmarriage.org]
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:18 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
What statement would that be? Please do summarize for us impatient folk. lol
Last Edited by AlreadyBugged on 11/5/2009 at 6:19 AM
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| chalcedony
User ID: 576799
11/5/2009 6:19 AM
| | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
So you do not support this statement? What do you disagree with? Please do enlighten us.
[ link to www.beyondmarriage.org]
What statement would that be? Please do summarize for us impatient folk. lol
BEYOND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
A NEW STRATEGIC VISION FOR ALL OUR
FAMILIES & RELATIONSHIPS
July 26, 2006
We, the undersigned – lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) and allied activists, scholars, educators, writers, artists, lawyers, journalists, and community organizers – seek to offer friends and colleagues everywhere a new vision for securing governmental and private institutional recognition of diverse kinds of partnerships, households, kinship relationships and families. In so doing, we hope to move beyond the narrow confines of marriage politics as they exist in the United States today.
We seek access to a flexible set of economic benefits and options regardless of sexual orientation, race, gender/gender identity, class, or citizenship status.
We reflect and honor the diverse ways in which people find and practice love, form relationships, create communities and networks of caring and support, establish households, bring families into being, and build innovative structures to support and sustain community.
In offering this vision, we declare ourselves to be part of an interdependent, global community. We stand with people of every racial, gender and sexual identity, in the United States and throughout the world, who are working day-to-day – often in harsh political and economic circumstances – to resist the structural violence of poverty, racism, misogyny, war, and repression, and to build an unshakeable foundation of social and economic justice for all, from which authentic peace and recognition of global human rights can at long last emerge.
Why the LGBT Movement Needs a New Strategic Vision
Household & Family Diversity is Already the Norm
The struggle for same-sex marriage rights is only one part of a larger effort to strengthen the security and stability of diverse households and families. LGBT communities have ample reason to recognize that families and relationships know no borders and will never slot narrowly into a single existing template.
All families, relationships, and households struggling for stability and economic security will be helped by separating basic forms of legal and economic recognition from the requirement of marital and conjugal relationship.
U.S. Census findings tell us that a majority of people, whatever their sexual and gender identities, do not live in traditional nuclear families. Recognizing the diverse households that already are the norm in this country is simply a matter of expanding upon the various forms of legal recognition that already are available. The LGBT movement has played an instrumental role in creating and advocating for domestic partnerships, second parent adoptions, reciprocal beneficiary arrangements, joint tenancy/home-ownership contracts, health care proxies, powers of attorney, and other mechanisms that help provide stability and security for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and heterosexual individuals and families. During the height of the AIDS epidemic, our communities formed support systems and constructed new kinds of families and partnerships in the face of devastating crisis and heartbreak. Both our communities and our HIV organizations recognized, respected, and fought for the rights of non-traditionally constructed families and non-conventional partnerships. Moreover, the transgender and bisexual movements, so often historically left behind or left out by the larger lesbian and gay movement, have powerfully challenged legal constructions of relationship and fought for social, legal, and economic recognition of partnerships, households, and families, which include members who shatter the narrow confines of gender conformity.
To have our government define as “legitimate families” only those households with couples in conjugal relationships does a tremendous disservice to the many other ways in which people actually construct their families, kinship networks, households, and relationships. For example, who among us seriously will argue that the following kinds of households are less socially, economically, and spiritually worthy?
· Senior citizens living together, serving as each other’s caregivers, partners, and/or constructed families
· Adult children living with and caring for their parents
· Grandparents and other family members raising their children’s (and/or a relative’s) children
· Committed, loving households in which there is more than one conjugal partner
· Blended families
· Single parent households
· Extended families (especially in particular immigrant populations) living under one roof, whose members care for one another
· Queer couples who decide to jointly create and raise a child with another queer person or couple, in two households
· Close friends and siblings who live together in long-term, committed, non-conjugal relationships, serving as each other’s primary support and caregivers
· Care-giving and partnership relationships that have been developed to provide support systems to those living with HIV/AIDS
Marriage is not the only worthy form of family or relationship, and it should not be legally and economically privileged above all others. While we honor those for whom marriage is the most meaningful personal – for some, also a deeply spiritual – choice, we believe that many other kinds of kinship relationship, households, and families must also be accorded recognition.
An Increasing Number of Households & Families Face Economic Stress
Our strategies must speak not only to the fears, but also the hopes, of millions of people in this country – LGBT people and others – who are justifiably afraid and anxious about their own economic futures.
Poverty and economic hardship are widespread and increasing. Corporate greed, draconian tax cuts and breaks for the wealthy, and the increasing shift of public funds from human needs into militarism, policing, and prison construction are producing ever-greater wealth and income gaps between the rich and the poor, in this country and throughout the world. In the United States, more and more individuals and families (disproportionately people of color and single-parent families headed by women) are experiencing the violence of poverty. Millions of people are without health care, decent housing, or enough to eat. We believe an LGBT vision for the future ought to accurately reflect what is happening throughout this country. People are forming unique unions and relationships that allow them to survive and create the communities and partnerships that mirror their circumstances, needs, and hopes. While many in the LGBT community call for legal recognition of same-sex marriage, many others – heterosexual and/or LGBT – are shaping for themselves the relationships, unions, and informal kinship systems that validate and support their daily lives, the lives they are actually living, regardless of what direction the current ideological winds might be blowing.
The Right’s “Marriage Movement” is Much Broader than Same-Sex Marriage
LGBT movement strategies must be sufficiently prophetic, visionary, creative, and practical to counter the right’s powerful and effective use of “wedge” politics – the strategic marketing of fear and resentment that pits one group against another.
Right-wing strategists do not merely oppose same-sex marriage as a stand-alone issue. The entire legal framework of civil rights for all people is under assault by the Right, coded not only in terms of sexuality, but also in terms of race, gender, class, and citizenship status. The Right’s anti-LGBT position is only a small part of a much broader conservative agenda of coercive, patriarchal marriage promotion that plays out in any number of civic arenas in a variety of ways – all of which disproportionately impact poor, immigrant, and people-of-color communities. The purpose is not only to enforce narrow, heterosexist definitions of marriage and coerce conformity, but also to slash to the bone governmental funding for a wide array of family programs, including childcare, healthcare and reproductive services, and nutrition, and transfer responsibility for financial survival to families themselves.
Moreover, as we all know, the Right has successfully embedded “stealth” language into many anti-LGBT marriage amendments and initiatives, creating a framework for dismantling domestic partner benefit plans and other forms of household recognition (for queers and heterosexual people alike). Movement resources are drained by defensive struggles to address the Right’s issue-by-issue assaults. Our strategies must engage these issues head-on, for the long term, from a position of vision and strength.
“Yes!” to Caring Civil Society and “No!” to the Right’s Push for Privatization
Winning marriage equality in order to access our partners’ benefits makes little sense if the benefits that we seek are being shredded.
At the same time same-sex marriage advocates promote marriage equality as a way for same-sex couples and their families to secure Social Security survivor and other marriage-related benefits, the Right has mounted a long-term strategic battle to dismantle all public service and benefit programs and civic values that were established beginning in the 1930s, initially as a response to widening poverty and the Great Depression. The push to privatize Social Security and many other human needs benefits, programs, and resources that serve as lifelines for many, married or not, is at the center of this attack. In fact, all but the most privileged households and families are in jeopardy as a result of a wholesale right-wing assault on funding for human needs, including Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, HIV-AIDS research and treatment, public education, affordable housing, and more.
This bad news is further complicated by a segment of LGBT movement strategy that focuses on same-sex marriage as a stand-alone issue. Should this strategy succeed, many individuals and households in LGBT communities will be unable to access benefits and support opportunities that they need because those benefits will only be available through marriage, if they remain available at all. Many transgender, gender queer, and other gender-nonconforming people will be especially vulnerable, as will seniors. For example, an estimated 70-80% of LGBT elders live as single people, yet they need many of the health care, disability, and survivorship benefits now provided through partnerships only when the partners are legally married.
Rather than focus on same-sex marriage rights as the only strategy, we believe the LGBT movement should reinforce the idea that marriage should be one of many avenues through which households, families, partners, and kinship relationships can gain access to the support of a caring civil society.
The Longing for Community and Connectedness
We believe LGBT movement strategies must not only democratize recognition and benefits but also speak to the widespread hunger for authentic and just community.
So many people in our society and throughout the world long for a sense of caring community and connectedness, and for the ability to have a decent standard of living and pursue meaningful lives free from the threat of violence and intimidation. We seek to create a movement that addresses this longing.
So many of us long for communities in which there is systemic affirmation, valuing, and nurturing of difference, and in which conformity to a narrow and restricting vision is never demanded as the price of admission to caring civil society. Our vision is the creation of communities in which we are encouraged to explore the widest range of non-exploitive, non-abusive possibilities in love, gender, desire and sex – and in the creation of new forms of constructed families without fear that this searching will potentially forfeit for us our right to be honored and valued within our communities and in the wider world. Many of us, too, across all identities, yearn for an end to repressive attempts to control our personal lives. For LGBT and queer communities, this longing has special significance.
We who have signed this statement believe it is essential to work for the creation of public arenas and spaces in which we are free to embrace all of who we are, repudiate the right-wing demonizing of LGBT sexuality and assaults upon queer culture, openly engage issues of desire and longing, and affirm, in the context of caring community, the complexities and richness of gender and sexual diversity. However we choose to live, there must be a legitimate place for us.
The Principles at the Heart of Our Vision
We, the undersigned, suggest that strategies rooted in the following principles are urgently needed:
Ø Recognition and respect for our chosen relationships, in their many forms
Ø Legal recognition for a wide range of relationships, households, and families, and for the children in all of those households and families, including same-sex marriage, domestic partner benefits, second-parent adoptions, and others
Ø The means to care for one another and those we love
Ø The separation of benefits and recognition from marital status, citizenship status, and the requirement that “legitimate” relationships be conjugal
Ø Separation of church and state in all matters, including regulation and recognition of relationships, households, and families
Ø Access for all to vital government support programs, including but not limited to: affordable and adequate health care, affordable housing, a secure and enhanced Social Security system, genuine disaster recovery assistance, welfare for the poor
Ø Freedom from a narrow definition of our sexual lives and gender choices, identities, and expression
Ø Recognition of interdependence as a civic principle and practical affirmation of the importance of joining with others (who may or may not be LGBT) who also face opposition to their household and family compositions, including old people, immigrant communities, single parents, battered women, prisoners and former prisoners, people with disabilities, and poor people
We must ensure that our strategies do not help create or strengthen the legal framework for gutting domestic partnerships (LGBT and heterosexual) for those who prefer this or another option to marriage, reciprocal beneficiary agreements, and more. LGBT movement strategies must never secure privilege for some while at the same time foreclosing options for many. Our strategies should expand the current terms of debate, not reinforce them.
A Winnable Strategy
No movement thrives without the critical capacity to imagine what is possible.
Our call for an inclusive new civic commitment to the recognition and well-being of diverse households and families is neither utopian nor unrealistic. To those who argue that marriage equality must take strategic precedence over the need for relationship recognition for other kinds of partnerships, households, and families, we note that same-sex marriage (or close approximations thereof) were approved in Canada and other countries only after civic commitments to universal or widely available healthcare and other such benefits. In addition, in the United States, a strategy that links same-sex partner rights with a broader vision is beginning to influence some statewide campaigns to defeat same-sex marriage initiatives.
A Vision for All Our Families and Relationships is Already Inspiring Positive Change
We offer a few examples of the ways in which an inclusive vision, such as we propose, can promote practical, progressive change and open up new opportunities for strategic bridge-building.
· Canada
Canada has taken significant steps in recent years toward legally recognizing the equal value of the ways in which people construct their families and relationships that fulfill critical social functions (such as parenting, assumption of economic support, provision of support for aging and infirm persons, and more).
o In the 1990s, two constitutional cases heard by that country’s Supreme Court extended specific rights and responsibilities of marriage to both opposite-sex and same-sex couples. Canada’s federal Modernization of Benefits and Obligation Act (2000) then virtually erased the legal distinction between marital and non-marital conjugal relationships.
o In 2001, in consideration of its mandate to “consider measures that will make the legal system more efficient, economical, accessible, and just,” the Law Commission of Canada released a report, Beyond Conjugality, calling for fundamental revisions in the law to honor and support all caring and interdependent personal adult relationships, regardless of whether or not the relationships are conjugal in nature.
· Arizona
The Arizona Together Coalition (www.aztogether.org) is currently running a broad, multi-constituency campaign that emphasizes how the proposed constitutional amendment to “protect marriage” will affect not just same-sex couples but also seniors, survivors of domestic violence, unmarried heterosexual couples, adopted children and the business community. The Arizona Coalition highlights the probability that the amendment will eliminate domestic partnership recognition, by both government and businesses. They also point out that DOMA supporters are the same forces that wanted to keep cohabitation a crime. As a result of the Coalition’s efforts, support for the constitutional amendment declined sharply in polls (from 49% to 33%) in the course of a few months (May 2005 - September 2005). Accordingly, should the amendment make it onto the November 2006 ballot, Arizona is poised to become the first state to reject a state anti-gay constitutional marriage amendment in the voting booth. We suggest that the LGBT movement pay close attention to the way that activists in Arizona frame their campaign to be about protecting a variety of different family arrangements.
· South Carolina
The South Carolina Equality Coalition (www.scequality.org) is fighting a proposed constitutional amendment with an organizing effort emphasizing “Fairness for All Families.” This coalition is not only focused on LGBT-headed families, but is also intentionally building relationships with a broad multi-constituency base of immigrant communities, elders, survivors of domestic violence, unmarried heterosexual couples, adopted children, families of prisoners, and more. As we write this statement, the Coalition’s efforts to work in this broader way are being further strengthened by emphasis on the message that “Families have no borders. We all belong.”
· Utah
In September 2005, Salt Lake City Mayor Ross Anderson signed an Executive Order enabling city employees to obtain health insurance benefits for their “domestic partners.” A few months later, trumping the executive order, the Salt Lake City Council enacted an ordinance allowing city employees to identify an “adult designee” who would be entitled to health insurance benefits in conjunction with the benefits provided to the employee. The requirements included living with the employee for more than a year, being at least 18 years old, and being economically dependent or interdependent. Benefits extend to children of the adult designee as well. While an employee’s same-sex or opposite-sex partner could qualify, this definition is broad enough to encompass many other household configurations. The ordinance has survived both a veto by the Mayor (who wanted to provide benefits only to “spousal like” relationships) and a lawsuit launched by anti-gay groups. The judge who ruled in the lawsuit wrote that “single employees may have relationships outside of marriage, whether motivated by family feeling, emotional attachment or practical considerations, which draw on their resources to provide the necessaries of life, including health care.” We advocate close attention to such efforts to provide material support for the widest possible range of household formations.
We offer these four examples to show that there are ways of moving forward with a strategic vision that is broader than same-sex marriage, and encompassing of all our families and relationships. Different regions of our country will require different strategies, but we can, and must, keep central to our work the idea that all family forms must be protected – not just because it is the right thing to do, but also because it is the strategic and winnable way to move forward.
A Bold, New Vision Will Speak to Many Who are Not Already With Us
At a time when an ethos of narrow self-interest and exclusion of difference is ascendant, and when the Right asserts a scarcity of human rights and social and economic goods, this new vision holds long-term potential for creating powerful and vibrant new relationships, coalitions, and alliances across constituencies – communities of color, immigrant communities, LGBT and queer communities, senior citizens, single-parent families, the working poor, and more –hit hard by the greed and inhumanity of the Right’s economic and political agendas.
At a time when the conservative movement is generating an agenda of fear, retrenchment, and opposition to the very idea of a caring society, we need to claim the deepest possibilities for interdependent social relationships and human expression. We must dare to dream the world that we need, the world that has room for us all, even as we also do the painstaking work of crafting the practical strategies that will address the realities of our daily lives. The LGBT movement has a history of being diligent and creative in protecting our families. Now, more than ever, is the time to continue to find new ways of defending all our families, and to fight to make same-sex marriage just one option on a menu of choices that people have about the way they construct their lives.
We invite friends everywhere to join us in ensuring that there is room, recognition, and practical support for us all, as we dream together a new future where all people will truly be free.
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:21 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
spam! Stop it you ignorant fuck! Simple question: What statement? In your own words, at typing speed, not spamming speed....
Last Edited by AlreadyBugged on 11/5/2009 at 6:23 AM
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 359772
11/5/2009 6:23 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Well with a divorce rate of over 50% it seems straight people haven't been able to get it right, so why does it matter so much? |
| hawk8414
User ID: 750680
11/5/2009 6:24 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
IF I marry anyone, it will be a man. Becuz everyone knows that men are just lesbians trapped inside a man's body. LOL!
Heavily medicated for your safety! |
| chalcedony
User ID: 576799
11/5/2009 6:26 AM
| | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
spam! Stop it you ignorant fuck! Simple question: What statement? Quoting: AlreadyBugged
You are playing coy. I posted the statement that I was referencing in my posts:
BEYOND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
A NEW STRATEGIC VISION FOR ALL OUR
FAMILIES & RELATIONSHIPS
[link to www.beyondmarriage.org]
Last Edited by chalcedony on 11/5/2009 at 6:28 AM
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:27 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Shit! It's 530 in the morning and I am dealing with spam machines,not real people... Can you believe it???!!!
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:29 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
spam! Stop it you ignorant fuck! Simple question: What statement?
You are playing coy. I posted the statement that I was referencing in my posts:
BEYOND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
A NEW STRATEGIC VISION FOR ALL OUR
FAMILIES & RELATIONSHIPS Quoting: chalcedony
yeah what's that supposed mean, vis a vie this thread, or anything else????
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| chalcedony
User ID: 576799
11/5/2009 6:30 AM
| | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
spam! Stop it you ignorant fuck! Simple question: What statement?
You are playing coy. I posted the statement that I was referencing in my posts:
BEYOND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
A NEW STRATEGIC VISION FOR ALL OUR
FAMILIES & RELATIONSHIPS
yeah what's that supposed mean, vis a vie this thread, or anything else???? Quoting: AlreadyBugged
You lose, goodnight.
Sourced material, especially when it comes from your own side is very frustrating isn't it?
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here. |
| chalcedony
User ID: 576799
11/5/2009 6:31 AM
| | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Shit! It's 530 in the morning and I am dealing with spam machines,not real people... Can you believe it???!!! Quoting: AlreadyBugged
Chalcedony is not really known by its name...
Why be a hard rock when you really are a gem?
Get me out of here. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:32 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
spam! Stop it you ignorant fuck! Simple question: What statement?
You are playing coy. I posted the statement that I was referencing in my posts:
BEYOND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
A NEW STRATEGIC VISION FOR ALL OUR
FAMILIES & RELATIONSHIPS
yeah what's that supposed mean, vis a vie this thread, or anything else????
You lose, goodnight.
Sourced material, especially when it comes from your own side is very frustrating isn't it? Quoting: chalcedony
Yawn! goodnight loser...
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 782814
11/5/2009 6:33 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Beautiful state. But saying no to the civil rights of someone else is disgraceful...
Why isnt that kind of referendum anti Constitutional? Quoting: AlreadyBugged
Deviants get not civil rights. Do you think child molesters should get civil rights too. Just because the homos can't see how disgusting and deviant their behavior is doesn't make it any less deviant.
Gay marriage has never passed in any state via a vote, not even in California. It only exists when legislatively forced upon us. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 6:39 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Beautiful state. But saying no to the civil rights of someone else is disgraceful...
Why isnt that kind of referendum anti Constitutional?
Deviants get not civil rights. Do you think child molesters should get civil rights too. Just because the homos can't see how disgusting and deviant their behavior is doesn't make it any less deviant.
Gay marriage has never passed in any state via a vote, not even in California. It only exists when legislatively forced upon us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 782814
Criminals havent the same rights. Consensual law abiding adults do. Oh the ignorance. Oh the tyranny of the ignorant majority. Where is the Constitution when you need it? What does it mean to have rights when the majority can deny them? What worth is the Constitution, if it has no meaning? Oh the humanity.
Last Edited by AlreadyBugged on 11/5/2009 at 6:42 AM
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| Hiram
User ID: 790024
11/5/2009 7:13 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Jus'say no?
[link to www.coinop.org]
Why do Gay Bacon Lettuce Tomato people want to marry anyway, it's generally a bad idea to marry.. Maine did 'em a favor. |
| Mate man
User ID: 810828
11/5/2009 7:20 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Is it right to be racist against gay people? |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 7:26 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
You want to know what "the gay agenda" is? I'll tell you. It's the same as the women's agenda, the black agenda, the immigrants agenda, the agenda of every man, woman and child on this planet. The human agenda, which is.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Until we ALL have that, none of us will ever be free. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810686
so simple, so articulate, and so threatening...
I know now why I like the Constitution....
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| osbogosley
User ID: 721649
11/5/2009 7:52 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Doesn't a marriage have to be consumated? I think a catholic marriage can be annuled if not consumated. Isn't the male-female sex act considered consumation? I've never heard of the gay sex act being considered consumation. This is all beside the point. Why do you want a third party interloper invited to be a party to your marriage? That is how they get to take your kids away. Do you need permission from the corporation to love one another. Oh, I get it, you want the never ending benefits from pappa state.
Osbo; Gosley "If all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." |
| Hiram
User ID: 790024
11/5/2009 8:05 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Doesn't a marriage have to be consumated? I think a catholic marriage can be annuled if not consumated. Isn't the male-female sex act considered consumation? I've never heard of the gay sex act being considered consumation. This is all beside the point. Why do you want a third party interloper invited to be a party to your marriage? That is how they get to take your kids away. Do you need permission from the corporation to love one another. Oh, I get it, you want the never ending benefits from pappa state. Quoting: osbogosley
The whole gay marriage thing is WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST RETARDED DISTRACTION FROM REAL NEWS EVER INVENTED. It has gay people all wanting something THAT CAUSES NOTHING BUT SUFFERING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Pretty much just another retarded non-issue to create rifts between the minds of gay and straight people, over something that would not be encouraged for either by a sane society anyway. |
| Toad
User ID: 810851
11/5/2009 8:06 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
This probably means I'll have the homos coming up to me next year to try and get me to vote for them again. Personally I don't really give a shit if they can get married or not, but it's just annoying. Oh, and to whomever banned me
FUCK YOU!!! haha
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 566157
11/5/2009 8:28 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Lol! Its not over , never is.
they WILL get what they want soon, they always do ,,, persitent fuckers they are .. (gay marrige)
obsereve:Its minority rule! anything to divide ,conquer and keep the majority programmed in guilt, and helplessness for not for not towing the compassionat human line ...
...the majority are too buisy in survival
mode and apathy, and do nothing!..
and the dirty filthy layers love it too..$$$$$$$$$$$ more combined income to take whoooaahhhh !
You take it too personal. I never understood why people who have nothing to gain or lose in the outcome get so upset about it... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
That's because Charlie, he is an asshole. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792784
11/5/2009 8:29 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
gay sexual acts are evil people! Pray for those who do these things! |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
11/5/2009 8:29 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Doesn't a marriage have to be consumated? I think a catholic marriage can be annuled if not consumated. Isn't the male-female sex act considered consumation? I've never heard of the gay sex act being considered consumation. This is all beside the point. Why do you want a third party interloper invited to be a party to your marriage? That is how they get to take your kids away. Do you need permission from the corporation to love one another. Oh, I get it, you want the never ending benefits from pappa state. Quoting: osbogosley
Yeah it has to be this, it has to be that...
No wonder I decided to avoid it altogether.
But I'm straight and our rights are protected under common law.
No religious obligations to consummate.
Nevertheless, We had kids on our own, naturally, without institutional approval or permission...
No problem. No damnation as far as I can tell...
Amazing isnt it? And all of us protected under civil law, whether or not sperm met egg, whether or not Holy man or bureaucrat crossed my path....
I cant believe how we all can manage under such different rules....
To each his own, isnt it?,,
And THAT is the point.
TO EACH HIS OWN.
Last Edited by AlreadyBugged on 11/5/2009 at 8:49 AM
"It isn't about me bringing change, I am asking YOU to bring about change." Barack Obama |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807293
11/5/2009 8:46 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
Good work by Maine; someone had to say no to this madness!
Also, without hating, I don't understand gay people...they want a conservative institution (the Church) to give blessing to their homosexuality which is totally against what the Church stands for (I'm not even a fanatic christian)...that's pretty arrogant!
Why not be happy with a partnership contract or something similar? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810877
11/5/2009 8:48 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
No offense to gay people, but watching a male behaving like a female is not a sight that I like...it has nothing to do with being a sin. It's just an abnormality. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810878
11/5/2009 8:48 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
THAT is what they do...its the TRUTH..so fucking LIVE with it ya sicko shit loving aids spreading degenerated child molesting sicko FUCKS!!!
YOU sick CUNTS are NOT gonna fuck OUR childrens lives up with your FOUL SHIT LOVING SICKNESS!!!
I aint even getting started ya fag loving sicko.
Wait till I tell how I REALLY feel!!!
The fact that these shit eating child molesting sperm drinking aids spreading FUCKS are gaining so much levergage is because NO ONE PROTESTED ENOUGH!!!
SOMEone has to tell the truth about these degenerated life destroyers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810718
So did you ever get past the third grade ? You sound like a piece of human garbage. Have to love the American ignorance. And yes im American. Idiotic religious nut jobs like your self have already destroyed this country. Oh, and give my best to your wife/sister. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810800
11/5/2009 8:49 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
they are minority that has always exsisted
they will alwyas be around and they will always be a minority
nothing to be done about it really- might as well be nice but i do agree with many that you can't madate someone to like you |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 791833
11/5/2009 8:52 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
[link to www.pccmonroe.org]
Their advocates may present a different picture; but the fact is, the homosexual life is a depraved one; and depravity always begets more depravity and destruction. Consider just these few facts: Owing to the filthy practices in which they engage, the bulk of all bowel diseases in America is carried by homosexuals. They also have a higher incidence of STDs, tuberculosis, and hepatitis A and B as well as account for the vast majority of all AIDS cases. The average life expectancy for homosexuals is approximately thirty-four years shorter than the average life expectancy for married non-homosexuals. Homosexuals are three times more likely than heterosexuals to be drug and alcohol abusers.3 Although less than three percent of the population is homosexual, such individuals account for at least one-third of all child sexual molestation.4 There are many historical examples, starting with Sodom and Gomorrah, which prove that violence is woven into the fabric of the homosexual culture. For instance, a vastly disproportionate number of American mass murderers, excluding abortionists and terrorists, were homosexual.5 Some Nazi death camp survivors have estimated that up to twenty percent of the guards were homosexuals who raped inmates, especially boys.6 The infamous Ludwig Tiene is just one example of such a guard.7 Homosexuality is a "lifestyle" which revolves around perverted sex; and the results are obvious—obvious and dangerous to all of society, especially the young and vulnerable. Most dangerous of all, homosexual acts are forbidden by God; and any society which condones and facilitates those acts will be the object of His wrath. Regardless of what "gay theologian" revisionists claim, the Bible contains repeated commands for Christians to speak against evil, and sexual perversion is evil.8 |
| Pity on the haters and ignoran
User ID: 809551
11/5/2009 8:53 AM | | Re: Maine Just Says "No" to Gay Marriage. | Quote |
As we see in Maine, the margin was close, in a few months the majority will defend the rights of gays and lesbians, and another piece of hate and bigotry will crumble as love truth and freedom win.
I am gay and I want to change these unjust evil laws in America. Jesus Christ will defend us,in time we will be free. Pity on all you in the church who mistranslater sacred passeges tohurt a class of people God completely loves and allows the samne freedoms you embrace. Pity on you as you drive the innocent and good out from your midst. Pity on you for the disgrace you bring on our Lord and Saviour by parroting the false teachings of hateful and confused religious bigotry. In time you will find how wrong you haters are, how the things god hates are so far from what the church at large is focusing on...
we should be ending unjust wars, ending an evil money system, ending big government, condemning the killing of the innocent (unborn).
Instead the church at large is trying to write congress to borrow more to keep the banks and wall street afloat, as the 401 K's and pensions will go down if we end the fed and the wall street gangsters. The shills want you to focus on gays as we are a scape goat keeping your attention from whats really the problem.....
...just sayin' |
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