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PNEUMONIC PLAGUE CONFIRMED IN UKRAINE!!!!!

 
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SEE WHAT FEAR MONGERING DOES, ITS THE SAME AS IN MEXICO A FORM OF TUBERCULOSIS, 450 HAD IT IN MEXICO, IT WAS INTENTIONALLY RELEASED, DIDN,T WE HERE REPORTS OF SMALL SPRAYING PLANES FLYING AROUND IN UKRAINE ANY MORE ON THAT STORY, THE SWINE FLU IS A RUSE, 6 HEALTHY PEOPLE HAVE DIED WORLDWIDE SO FAR THATS 6 THAT HAD NO OTHER UNDERLYING CONDITION.BIG PHARMA KNOWS THAT IF THEY RELEASE THESE LITTLE POCKETS OF THIS TUBERCULOSIS, THE MASSES WILL PANIC, BECAUSE OF THE MORTALITY, THE PLAGUE COULDN,T BECOME A PROBLEM ANYMORE ON A WIDE SCALE.JUST LIKE SWINE HASN,T MUTATED IN 70 YEARS WHY WOULD IT NOW?NO BIG PHARMA WILL DO THESE LITTLE POCKETS OF DEATH , TO SPREAD THE PANIC, AND FEAR.FORCE ALL COUNTRIES TO SPEND BILLIONS FOR EVER, ITS LIKE SWINE, THERE PLAN ALL ALONG IS TO MAKE THE A PERMANENT INNOCULATION ADDED TO THE LIST THEY ARE QUITE INSANE AND DEVOID OF ANY HUMANITY.
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Whats the worst thing that can happen???
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God help us all





OK, People. I am serious about this. As soon as the first cases appear in the US and people start dying, DO NOT WAIT, get as much food and water as you can buy and go home with your family. Stay there, do not answer your door. If you want to live, please take this advice.
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I agree with your advice 100%!

Forget going to work or school. Who cares if you don't get paid. Is your 30K salary really worth death to your family!
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And behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death.
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IT IS NOT PNEUMONIC PLAGUE!!!

It may be a variant of H1N1 that's more virulent, it may be bad cases of H1N1, but IT'S NOT PNEUMONIC PLAGUE!

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I would bet money its spanish flu ,maybe they dont want to say it is because then people will wonder exactly why victims of the 1918 spanish flu were unearther and the virus replicated.
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IT IS NOT PNEUMONIC PLAGUE!!!

It may be a variant of H1N1 that's more virulent, it may be bad cases of H1N1, but IT'S NOT PNEUMONIC PLAGUE!

tounge


Have you bothered to check the INITIAL reports on this outbreak?

Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast: All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]


Hemmorhagic pneumonia occurred in the 1918 pandemic, too.

I'm not saying they don't have something bad going down in Ukraine, but it's not pneumonic (variant of bubonic) plague.

"The victims of the 1918 Spanish flu suffered greatly. Within hours of feeling the first symptoms of extreme fatigue, fever, and headache, victims would start turning blue. Sometimes the blue color became so pronounced that it was difficult to determine a patient's original skin color. The patients would cough with such force that some even tore their abdominal muscles. Foamy blood exited from their mouths and noses. A few bled from their ears. Some vomited; others became incontinent."

[link to history1900s.about.com]
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Of course. But I think they dont want to say it is because then people will ask questions as to exactly why the virus was replicated .
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IT IS NOT PNEUMONIC PLAGUE!!!

It may be a variant of H1N1 that's more virulent, it may be bad cases of H1N1, but IT'S NOT PNEUMONIC PLAGUE!

tounge


Have you bothered to check the INITIAL reports on this outbreak?

Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast: All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]


Hemmorhagic pneumonia occurred in the 1918 pandemic, too.

I'm not saying they don't have something bad going down in Ukraine, but it's not pneumonic (variant of bubonic) plague.

"The victims of the 1918 Spanish flu suffered greatly. Within hours of feeling the first symptoms of extreme fatigue, fever, and headache, victims would start turning blue. Sometimes the blue color became so pronounced that it was difficult to determine a patient's original skin color. The patients would cough with such force that some even tore their abdominal muscles. Foamy blood exited from their mouths and noses. A few bled from their ears. Some vomited; others became incontinent."

[link to history1900s.about.com]

Of course. But I think they dont want to say it is because then people will ask questions as to exactly why the virus was replicated .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 387424

With the 1918 Spanish Flu folks presented with Hemorrhagic Fever like symptoms. (Like Ebola) Frothy pink fluid coughed up.. like a pulmonary edema pt.... that was after a Spring with a mild 3 day flu.
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how reliable is this site???
it has a bunch of terrorists pictures on the top
It looks like FBI top 10 most wanted
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true

i agreee

i might be drunk

but i didnt just falll off a turnup truck

....... fucking towl headsssss
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Wait just a minute. There are consistent statements from western Ukraine that the disease vector is VIRAL and that it does not respond to antibiotics (which work on bacteria but not on viruses). The plague is a bacterium, not a virus. Also, if you consider that this outbreak was likely caused by the widely reported aerial spraying (officially denied), then the incubation time for plague does not match very well.

It is more likely something like SARS or avian flu. Even pulmonary antrhax fits better than pneumonic plague.

The best fit I have seen so far is nasal vaccine like Flumist that was sprayed over the areas affected.

The other thing we don't know is whether any of the media reports are true at all. There may be nothing at all happening. Does anyone have truly first hand information?
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I wonder if this is pneumococcal a bacteria not a virus.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There has been outbreaks of this before but its not tolerant in the environment enough to kill millions.
It kind of comes and goes in little waves but is very deadly because its air transmissible and kills most that are infected.
But usually dies out before it kills many.
If you look up on Google pneumococcal there has even been plans in place for a pandemic of this.
Its much more deadly than swine flu it has a very high kill rate but transmission is low.
It has high resistance to multiple antibiotics.
Is why it has such a high kill rate, but once again the kill rate remains low because it eventually dies out before it infects to many.

[link to content.nejm.org]
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god, bacteria is so easy to kill, Chlorine Dioxide and Silver kills bacteria easier than it kills virri
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MMS wipes the fuck out of any bacteria or protazoa --- and fights virri really well
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[link to www.who.int]

here is the official page of the who about the subject!

"3 November 2009 -- According to the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the country has now recorded more than 250 000 cases of influenza-like illness, with 235 patients requiring intensive care. As of 2 November, 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness have been reported.

Regions in western Ukraine continue to show the highest rates of acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness. The level of activity in the Kyiv area is also increasing rapidly.

Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus.

As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.

Related links

Recommended use of antivirals

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009





At the request of the government, a multi-disciplinary team of nine experts has been deployed by WHO and arrived in Kyiv yesterday evening. Discussions with the Minister of Health were held this morning to brief the team.

Team members will now begin field investigations to characterize the clinical and epidemiological features of the outbreak. Work will initially begin in Lviv region, where reported numbers of cases showing severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness have been especially high. Two virologists on the team have started working at the National Influenza Centre and the laboratories of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Station in Kyiv to provide diagnostic support.

Samples sent by the Ministry of Health were received today by the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza, Mill Hill in London, UK. The laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests and further characterize the virus.

Many questions remain to be answered. The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe.

Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples.

WHO continues to recommend no closing of borders and no restrictions on international travel, including to Ukraine. Experience shows that such measures will not stop further spread of the virus


They clearly state influenza like illness so actually they don't even know or are pretenting they don't know what virus they are dealing with but 70 are in intensive care and 275000 infected so go figure it might as well be something like pneumonic plague mixed with regular or seasonal flu....
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god, bacteria is so easy to kill, Chlorine Dioxide and Silver kills bacteria easier than it kills virri
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You mean a bottle of colloidial silver does the trick even against pneumonic plague and stuff like that?
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Huh?

...As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection...

WTF?
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Wow.

I'm not a doctor of any kind, so I'm having a tough time digesting this. Does this mean that if someone comes in with flu like symptoms, and does not test positive for the flu, that they inject them with the vaccine anyway? So, in essence, you're taking a person with a compromised immune system, that is already trying to fight off an infection of some unknown kind, and introducing a new strain of potentially harmful and contagious disease into them? Wouldn't that make these injected persons perfect incubators, what with the weakened immune system, flu spreading symptoms like coughing and sneezing, along with the now misdiagnosed original disease?
"Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379
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god, bacteria is so easy to kill, Chlorine Dioxide and Silver kills bacteria easier than it kills virri
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That is: IF you have access to these substances. If something like half of population gets infected in lightning speed, there is no way there is gonna be enough anti-bacterial supplies to treat everyone.
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god, bacteria is so easy to kill, Chlorine Dioxide and Silver kills bacteria easier than it kills virri


That is: IF you have access to these substances. If something like half of population gets infected in lightning speed, there is no way there is gonna be enough anti-bacterial supplies to treat everyone.
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No and evidently don't won't even try to make enough supplies as we all know.

Just think of it if you were one of the elite dreaming about less people on the earth you would do quite the contrary namely making sure that the remaining supplies won't reach anyone.

I just saw yesterday a video about a nun well actually several videos there was a pinned thread about it and she explained how a company mixed two potent viruses in vaccines in order to let them recombine themselves in the hosts i mean how twisted and more sick can it get....

Fuckers wan't to push those infected vaccines with a shovel in our throat!

bonghit

damned
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If it is Pneumonic Plague then this is not such a big issue.

Pneumonic plague is one of three main forms of plague, all of which are caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis.

Since it's BACTERIAL, rather than viral, it is treatable with anti-biotics. Streptomycin, gentamicin, tetracyclines, and chloramphenicol are all effective against pneumonic plague.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Calm the fuck down people and try and get your facts straight.

If it's a viral pneumonia then its most likely caused by a cytokine storm.

Cytokine storms can be prevented by eating a high-fat diet and nicotine ..... hmmmm just the things they are encouraging you to avoid!!
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unreliable news source/
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If it is Pneumonic Plague then this is not such a big issue.

Pneumonic plague is one of three main forms of plague, all of which are caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis.

Since it's BACTERIAL, rather than viral, it is treatable with anti-biotics. Streptomycin, gentamicin, tetracyclines, and chloramphenicol are all effective against pneumonic plague.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Calm the fuck down people and try and get your facts straight.

If it's a viral pneumonia then its most likely caused by a cytokine storm.

Cytokine storms can be prevented by eating a high-fat diet and nicotine ..... hmmmm just the things they are encouraging you to avoid!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804749

uhuh but you see the who speaks about influenza like illness so there goes the bacteria theory.

I think it's something completely new since swineflu was the result of 4 virusses mixed imagine how this thing looks like with the dna of pneumonic plague....

I don't think it is treatable with any drugs!

rant
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Huh?

...As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection...

WTF?


Wow.

I'm not a doctor of any kind, so I'm having a tough time digesting this. Does this mean that if someone comes in with flu like symptoms, and does not test positive for the flu, that they inject them with the vaccine anyway? So, in essence, you're taking a person with a compromised immune system, that is already trying to fight off an infection of some unknown kind, and introducing a new strain of potentially harmful and contagious disease into them? Wouldn't that make these injected persons perfect incubators, what with the weakened immune system, flu spreading symptoms like coughing and sneezing, along with the now misdiagnosed original disease?
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No... it means that if someone comes in with flu-like sypmtoms, they are being treated with anti-viral drugs. Anti-viral drugs are not the same as the vaccine.
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God help us all





OK, People. I am serious about this. As soon as the first cases appear in the US and people start dying, DO NOT WAIT, get as much food and water as you can buy and go home with your family. Stay there, do not answer your door. If you want to live, please take this advice.
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I was just thinking the same thing
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"You mean a bottle of colloidial silver does the trick even against pneumonic plague and stuff like that"

lol

cramming metal in your face will not help

this silver crap you read on here is bogus oh idiot- read up on it

this is a site that talks about space lizards for god's sake.

"Historically, colloidal silver, a liquid suspension of microscopic silver particles, was also used as an internal medication to treat a variety of diseases, however the effectiveness of these treatments continues to remain unproven and an unknown number of people developed argyria as a result. Argyria is a condition in which the skin irreversibly turns blue or grey (from accumulated silver), which can be socially debilitating."

uese some #$#%## common sense. Yeah, there is a miracle cure called silver that ghas eleucde mainstream medicine
eluded those in the fiekd with iq's of a billion-

but posters on a conspiracy site know the "truth"

god people are stupid
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"You mean a bottle of colloidial silver does the trick even against pneumonic plague and stuff like that"

lol

cramming metal in your face will not help

this silver crap you read on here is bogus oh idiot- read up on it

this is a site that talks about space lizards for god's sake.

"Historically, colloidal silver, a liquid suspension of microscopic silver particles, was also used as an internal medication to treat a variety of diseases, however the effectiveness of these treatments continues to remain unproven and an unknown number of people developed argyria as a result. Argyria is a condition in which the skin irreversibly turns blue or grey (from accumulated silver), which can be socially debilitating."

uese some #$#%## common sense. Yeah, there is a miracle cure called silver that ghas eleucde mainstream medicine
eluded those in the fiekd with iq's of a billion-

but posters on a conspiracy site know the "truth"

god people are stupid
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810800

Hey no need to be cynical i was just asking because i'm skeptical about those things i didn't say i was about to buy gallons of it tard.

And yes i also saw the people turning blue stuff and yes i know the intake of too much copper is hazardous for the health and that's why i was asking for some fucking advice on it.

See advice not sarcastic or degrading comments like yours.

Ps space lizzards do exist they are called shape shifters or demons fucker.

agumball
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lol- oh sorry - didn't mean to insult someone that thinks there are space lizard demons called shapeshifters

god forbid the insane get amd at me lol
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lol- oh sorry - didn't mean to insult someone that thinks there are space lizard demons called shapeshifters

god forbid the insane get amd at me lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810800

Look if you don't like what we say get the fuck out and watch some cnn or fox or cnbc for that matter...

All the glp'ers believe spacelizzards (aliens) do exist all of them except a few shills of course.

tounge
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swear much brainiac?

lets see- "all glp'rs beleive in space lizards" - well beside that being a lie and just plain stupid i'll say for the sake of arguemehnt its true

that would mean to say that all GLP'rs beleive the same thing and any contrary evidence would be shouted down

in otherwords- sheep- they are herd like

which of courase is the case- it is why they call othersx sheep- others that have a vareity of interests- while thye themselves clintg togehter in a cabal of madness and sheepdom- bleating at the world - lol
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swear much brainiac?

lets see- "all glp'rs beleive in space lizards" - well beside that being a lie and just plain stupid i'll say for the sake of arguemehnt its true

that would mean to say that all GLP'rs beleive the same thing and any contrary evidence would be shouted down

in otherwords- sheep- they are herd like

which of courase is the case- it is why they call othersx sheep- others that have a vareity of interests- while thye themselves clintg togehter in a cabal of madness and sheepdom- bleating at the world - lol
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lala
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From urbandictionary.


Good Lord. People go to Google and put in "fraza Ukrainian News" Why does this news agency not pop up? Cause they are not real. It's only links from sites lying to you. You have been Fraza'd with.


Wait a minute, i think i found it.

[link to www.fraza.ua]

It has no English presence, hence why it wasn't showing up!
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Here is a traslation of the above page!

[link to babelfish.yahoo.com]
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WOW read THIS PAGE!


[link to babelfish.yahoo.com]

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