Don't know what caused the deaths'
By: Alifiya Khan Date: 2009-11-05 Place: Pune
Doctors at Sassoon hospital anxiously await report on 35 patients who died of infection that caused symptoms similar to swine flu
Doctors at Sassoon Hospital, who are in the thick of the swine flu battle, are a worried lot. Thirty-five patients with swine flu-like symptoms died in the last 45 days at the hospital, and not one of them tested positive for swine flu. The doctors still don't know what caused the death of these patients.
Oh man, Pune is where the Osho Commune is. I was there for many years. Many people from all over the world - especially westerners come there to meditate. Lots of people, lots of traveling to all corners of the world.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810181 11/5/2009 1:27 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Pune, Nov 3 (PTI) The swine flu toll in the city rose to 97 with the death of a 29-year-old youth, health officials said today.
The victim, who succumbed to the virus on Sunday, was a resident of Wagholi, 20 km from here, and had been taken to various hospitals before being admitted to government-run Sassoon hospital on October 30 after testing positive for H1N1 virus, they said.
The state health machinery has stepped up an awareness drive stressing importance of early detection of swine flu symptoms with growing concern over a speculated "second wave" of the pandemic with the onset of the winter.
Meanwhile, citrus fruit prices have risen by about 20 per cent here due to their growing demand for their resistance enhancing properties. .
Anonymous Coward User ID: 794136 11/5/2009 1:54 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Don't know what caused the deaths'
By: Alifiya Khan Date: 2009-11-05 Place: Pune
Doctors at Sassoon hospital anxiously await report on 35 patients who died of infection that caused symptoms similar to swine flu
Doctors at Sassoon Hospital, who are in the thick of the swine flu battle, are a worried lot. Thirty-five patients with swine flu-like symptoms died in the last 45 days at the hospital, and not one of them tested positive for swine flu. The doctors still don't know what caused the death of these patients.
Are you going to believe the same "news" sources that are lying to us left and right about this whole swine bullshit to begin with? The same news sources telling us the vaccine is good for us. IT'S MORE FEAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA.
psi guy User ID: 806060 11/5/2009 2:05 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Are you going to believe the same "news" sources that are lying to us left and right about this whole swine bullshit to begin with? The same news sources telling us the vaccine is good for us. IT'S MORE FEAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794136
You are so far off it's ridiculous. It's mainstream that is crying for people to get the vaccine. The Ukraine stuff is not mainstream. You have to dig for it.
It's mainstream that made a big deal out of the original flu from Mexico. Where are they on this?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 794136 11/5/2009 2:11 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
What's the difference what it is, bottom line is it's more man-made bioweapons made and released by Baxter over there as a potential "2nd" wave with the purpose of killing and forcing us into more vaccinations. Either way the NWO snakes are making this shit and need to be fucking killed immediately.
TX PATRIOT User ID: 810709 11/5/2009 2:14 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Let's bring it a bit closer to home and look at some interesting related numbers. My following post is copied from another thread. Anyone with insight (medical experience?) as to what this unidentified, unreported variable is/might be? Is this rate unusual?
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OK...here are the CDC numbers I promised indicating something else is happening concurrently at a pretty high rate. Data source is included at the bottom of the post.
For reasons I cannot remember, I found myself last week on the CDC site looking at their reports, and I found something a bit alarming:
The numbers trend to indicate there is one or more additional NON-FLU respiratory variables occurring simultaneously in the US with, but collectively at a higher rate than H1N1, which supports claims made by many who have been ill.
The questions are:
What is it?
Why is it not being reported?
I will present the numbers first and then provide info on the source, which is reported by the CDC.
This is a sampling of lab confirmed cases. Sampling meaning the testing reports some from only 80 US-WHO labs as reported by the CDC but can be considered representative of what is occurring in the population as a whole.
WEEK 41 ending October 17, 09:
12,943 respiratory specimens were tested.
ONLY 37.5%of ALL respiratory specimens tested were POSITIVE FOR FLU (regardless of strain)
This indicates there is another huge variable here...a variable accounting for 62.5% of respiratory illness that were severe enough to be tested in the first place but were not flu (of any strain). What is it?
And what if these factors are being lumped in with UNCONFIRMED H1N1 numbers when they diagnose AND TREAT solely on symptoms leading, of course, to grossly inflated H1N1 numbers for greater support of vaccination and thus feeding this cycle?
Got respiratory illness? No testing, just diagnose as H1N1.
Even though the confirmed percentage of H1N1 is high, based on this past week's data, over 65% of the H1N1 symptom-based diagnoses COULD BE some other respiratory illness(es)! This is alarming considering 1. people could be (probably are) being misdiagnosed and therefore not properly treated and 2. the emergence of the Ukraine illness.
So, yes, even according to the WHO and CDC numbers, something else is running concurrent with H1N1 at a pretty high rate. What is it? Why are they not reporting it? And is this a trend?….
Let’s look at the previous week for a better picture (WEEK 40):
13,921 respiratory specimens were tested.
Only 29.4% of ALL respiratory specimens tested were POSITIVE FOR FLU (regardless of strain)
[link to www.cdc.gov]
WEEK 39:
10,816 respiratory specimens were tested
Only 27.4% of ALL respiratory specimens tested were POSITIVE FOR FLU (regardless of strain)
In chart format for a 10-week trend:
Week # - # confirmed Flu - % Flu confirmed of all respiratory tested
Week 41 ending Oct 17, 09 - 4,855 - 37.5%
Week 40 ending Oct 10, 09 - 4,093 - 29.4%
Week 39 ending Oct 3, 09 - 2,968 - 27.4%
Week 38 ending Sep 26, 09 - 2,126 - 22.8%
Week 37 ending Sep 19, 09 - 2,326 - 23.9%
Week 36 ending Sep 12, 09 - 1,378 - 18.2%
Week 35 ending Sep 5, 09 - 1,085 - 20.5%
Week 34 ending Aug 29, 09 - 1,109 - 17.3%
Week 33 ending Aug 22, 09 - 804 - 18.0%
Week 32 ending Aug 15, 09 - 525 - 15.6%
[link to www.cdc.gov]
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I haven't looked at baseline numbers from previous seasons to verify these data are unusual, but regardless, what are the reasons this is not being reported (simply to redirect, promote and sell H1N1 vaccine)?
How much is this inflating the H1N1 numbers?
But much more importantly: How many are being misdiagnosed AND mistreated with this diagnose 'by symptoms-assume H1N1' approach with these 'other than flu' numbers?
AND is this a difference between viral and bacterial as the data are collected for viral cases (see below)? If so, what is going on with bacterial with severe enough respiratory symptoms for a doctor to test...is it bacterial pneumonia? At such high rates relative to the H1N1 flu?
Rusty, if you are still reading, what is your wife's response to the above. Does she have any insight?
Or anyone else working in dx and treatment in the medical profession with insight...
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Source Info:
Viral Surveillance — About 80 U.S. World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Laboratories and 70 National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS), located throughout the United States participate in virologic surveillance for influenza. All state public health laboratories participate as WHO collaborating laboratories along with some county public health laboratories and some large tertiary care or academic medical centers.
Most NREVSS laboratories participating in influenza surveillance are hospital laboratories. The WHO and NREVSS collaborating laboratories report the total number of respiratory specimens tested and the number positive for influenza types A and B each week to CDC. Most of the U.S. WHO collaborating laboratories also report the influenza A subtype (H1 or H3) of the viruses they have isolated and the ages of the persons from whom the specimens were collected. The majority of NREVSS laboratories do not report the influenza A subtype. Reports from both sources are combined and the weekly total number of positive influenza tests, by virus type/subtype, and the percent of specimens testing positive for influenza are presented in the weekly influenza update, FluView.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 670179 11/5/2009 3:09 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
One researcher suggested that many of the apparently healthy young adults who died in 1918 were in fact infected with tuberculosis, explaining the unusually high mortality rates among young adults. Tuberculosis death rates plummeted after 1918, which can be explained by the fact that many TB sufferers died of the flu and therefore were not around to die later, nor to pass the TB bacillus to others. Just after 1918, TB death rates experience their steepest decline of the century,
LITTLE BIO EVENTS BY PHARMA TO SCARE EVERYONE INTO SUBMISSION, THEY ARE RELEASING LITTLE POCKETS OF A LAB CREATED TUBERCULOSIS, SAME AS IN MEXICO, MEXICO IT WAS 450 TUBERCULOSIS, 1 SWINE..NOW UKRAINE... INDIA.. LETS GUESS THE NEXT ONE
Anonymous Coward User ID: 794136 11/5/2009 4:21 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
LITTLE BIO EVENTS BY PHARMA TO SCARE EVERYONE INTO SUBMISSION, THEY ARE RELEASING LITTLE POCKETS OF A LAB CREATED TUBERCULOSIS, SAME AS IN MEXICO, MEXICO IT WAS 450 TUBERCULOSIS, 1 SWINE..NOW UKRAINE... INDIA.. LETS GUESS THE NEXT ONE
Quoting: max 751565
Nail on head. I can't believe how bad and evil these maniacs are, unleashing these diseases on the public. They must hang for this.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 808437 11/5/2009 4:32 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
The numbers trend to indicate there is one or more additional NON-FLU respiratory variables occurring simultaneously in the US with, but collectively at a higher rate than H1N1, which supports claims made by many who have been ill.
The questions are:
What is it?
Why is it not being reported?
....
This indicates there is another huge variable here...a variable accounting for 62.5% of respiratory illness that were severe enough to be tested in the first place but were not flu (of any strain). What is it?
Quoting: TX PATRIOT 810709
There at least 2 types of adenovirus, 2 types of parainfluenza virus and RSV (which causes severe disease in children) circulating at this time.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 808437 11/5/2009 4:44 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
...
AND is this a difference between viral and bacterial as the data are collected for viral cases (see below)? If so, what is going on with bacterial with severe enough respiratory symptoms for a doctor to test...is it bacterial pneumonia? At such high rates relative to the H1N1 flu?
...
Quoting: TX PATRIOT 810709
Cases of bacterial pneumonia (either primary or secondary infections) can be serious enough to prompt health care professionals to test for possible influenza.
Cases of secondary pulmonary bacterial infection have caused many deaths throughout the history of influenza infections, and they are clearly contributing to both morbidity and mortality (complications and death) with current novel H1N1 influenza infections.
Cases of secondary pulmonary bacterial infections cause similar issues following the primary infections of previously mentioned seasonal upper respiratory viruses.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 806478 11/5/2009 4:53 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
I wonder if this is pneumococcal a bacteria not a virus.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
There has been outbreaks of this before but its not tolerant enough to kill millions.
It kind of comes and goes but is deadly because its air transmissible.
But usually dies out before it kills many.
If you look up on Google pneumococcal there has even been plans in place for a pandemic of this.
Its much more deadly than swine flu it has a very high kill rate but transmission is low.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 809683 11/5/2009 4:58 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
As in the UKRAINE (where BAXTER took possession of recombined vaccines- isnt it odd they have a Level 3 lab complex there)
that "accidently" left an L3 quarantine lab in the usa
but THERE ARE VERY FEW SWINE FLU CASES
all it took was a few people to get the shot full of the superbug, and then it would spread-and mutate exponentially;
It is said to have mutated into an UNTREATABLE DISEASE OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN Epidemiologists are said to be baffled
it has the characteristics of the pneumonic plague
your blot collects in your lungs and reaches temps of 55C (135F)
based on sketchy info, but all trains in the region have stopped, schools closed and no public gatherings
500,000 infected (unconfirmed)
25,000 in hospitals "
1000 dead " (went from 80 very rapidly)
It is now rapidly spreading to the Caususes and Belorus regions (unconfirmed)
take your vitamin D3 that is D3-not D1 like in milk, Vit C and garlic
NOT the Swine Flu shot
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