Pair this with the news out of the Ukraine and you have to wonder if we are seeing something else emerging??
Bird flu??
Let's be accurate here. The "swine" flu as its being called isn't swine flu. It is really made up of FOUR FLUS that's combined into one new one the world's never seen: Swine, 2 forms of human flu and avian (bird) flu.
From the very beginning of this flu thing, they've tried to downplay it by calling it "swine" flu. Remember how millions of birds were slaughtered around the world every time avian (bird) flu showed up in an effort to stop the spread to humans? They were trying to prevent a mutation/jump to humans. Notice how no pigs were killed? Because its NOT swine flu at all and its already mutated to humans.
I don't know anything about microbiology, but the fact that this is a new, never before seen flu, is frightening because it has the ability to morph into something even more lethal and do so rapidly. This may be what's happening now in India, China, Romania and the Ukraine.
Quoting: telling it straight 642221
I'm frightened and if you are frightened then, does that not lower your immune systems?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 798862 11/5/2009 2:24 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Pune, Nov 3 (PTI) The swine flu toll in the city rose to 97 with the death of a 29-year-old youth, health officials said today.
The victim, who succumbed to the virus on Sunday, was a resident of Wagholi, 20 km from here, and had been taken to various hospitals before being admitted to government-run Sassoon hospital on October 30 after testing positive for H1N1 virus, they said.
The state health machinery has stepped up an awareness drive stressing importance of early detection of swine flu symptoms with growing concern over a speculated "second wave" of the pandemic with the onset of the winter.
Meanwhile, citrus fruit prices have risen by about 20 per cent here due to their growing demand for their resistance enhancing properties. .
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810181
Ya, increase the price of fuits because it helps cure illness. And people wonder why they are going to be flushed down the toilet.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810686 11/5/2009 2:37 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
I think it is called Rhinovirus that accounts for the other Higher percentage of respiratory ailments that were reported below.
Quote: "WEEK 41 ending October 17, 09:
12,943 respiratory specimens were tested.
ONLY 37.5%of ALL respiratory specimens tested were POSITIVE FOR FLU (regardless of strain)
This indicates there is another huge variable here...a variable accounting for 62.5% of respiratory illness that were severe enough to be tested in the first place but were not flu (of any strain). What is it?
And what if these factors are being lumped in with UNCONFIRMED H1N1 numbers when they diagnose AND TREAT solely on symptoms leading, of course, to grossly inflated H1N1 numbers for greater support of vaccination and thus feeding this cycle?
Got respiratory illness? No testing, just diagnose as H1N1."
sasha User ID: 790248 11/5/2009 3:10 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
someone earlier in this thread was asking what might it be that is secondarily affecting all these people...and causing all the lung problems...
could it be respiratory mrsa? I was told by a medic that our particular area is full of it....another thing...flu is viral...mrsa is bacterial(as are a lot of lung infections: ie bronchitis)...isn't it a fact that if you treat a virus(the flu) with an anti-biotic, as you would a bacterial infection, (mrsa/bronchitis)that it causes more problems, because the anti-biotic makes the viral infection worse...and would an anti-viral make a bacterial infection worse? IS it possible that this is a combination viral/bacterial infection, and that there most likely is NO way to treat such a combination illness? that as a virus, it has to run it's course?...IF the bacterial infection doesn't kill you first??...perhaps the mistake that's being made, is that there is NO way to successfully treat a combination infection, but they keep trying, and that is basically what's killing people?? I don't know...purely conjecture, curiosity, and an attempt to understand what's happening, on my part..
Anonymous Coward User ID: 811147 11/5/2009 3:30 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
India has become a 'biotech outsourcing destination'! Amoung the companies doing this are biotech giants GlazoSmithKline, Bayer, Aventis, and Pfizer. Hmmm.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 683116 11/5/2009 3:36 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Daniel Benti, G.T. Le, Ashna Kansal, Seema Khandelwal
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INTRODUCTION
It is now a widely recognized fact that about 15 million premature deaths occur each year in developing countries among children under five years of age (1). Nearly one-third of these deaths are caused by acute respiratory infection (ARI), an illness that is both preventable and treatable (WHO). Acute respiratory infections are responsible for 8.2% of the world’s total burden of disability and premature mortality and are the leading cause of childhood morbidity (2). They account for 19% of all deaths in children under the age of five. Each year pneumonia alone kills 3 million children, while other acute respiratory infections cause another 1 million children to die (2). Yet even with such a high prevalence, ARI receives only 0.15% of the research and development budget for health (2).
The common acute infections of the upper and lower respiratory tract range from a simple cold or cough, otitis media, sore throat, laryngitis, to bronchitis, bronchiolitis, and pneumonia. Diphtheria, measles, and pertussis (whooping cough) are also respiratory infections. On average, children under age five experience between five and eight ARI episodes a year, which translates into at least 2,000 million episodes each year in the developing world (1). The majority of ARI episodes are mild and self-limiting, as in the case of coughs and colds. However, about one in every 30 to 50 episodes of cough will develop into pneumonia. Without treatment, 10% to 20% of pneumonia cases will result in death (1).
Acute respiratory infection can be attributed to an interaction between the host, the infectious agent, and the environment. Although 80% of all cases of pneumonia examined in hospitals in developing countries are caused by two types of bacteria, Streptococcus pneumoniae and Haemophilus influenzae, most other infections are of viral origin (1). Other risk factors that encourage the spread of ARI include: low birth weight, malnutrition, poor breast-feeding practices, specific nutritional deficiencies (especially Vitamin A), chilling in young infants, indoor air pollution (such as smoke from cooking fuels and tobacco), urban air pollution, illiteracy, overcrowding, poor hygiene, lack of access to health services (especially immunizations), and low socioeconomic status. Many of these risk factors may interact through complex mechanisms to cause subsequent illness.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 128199 11/5/2009 4:30 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
"Swine flu has appeared among Venezuela's Yanomami Indians, one of the largest isolated indigenous groups in the Amazon, and a doctor said Wednesday that the virus is suspected in seven deaths, including six infants."
Daniel Benti, G.T. Le, Ashna Kansal, Seema Khandelwal
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INTRODUCTION
It is now a widely recognized fact that about 15 million premature deaths occur each year in developing countries among children under five years of age (1). Nearly one-third of these deaths are caused by acute respiratory infection (ARI), an illness that is both preventable and treatable (WHO). Acute respiratory infections are responsible for 8.2% of the world’s total burden of disability and premature mortality and are the leading cause of childhood morbidity (2). They account for 19% of all deaths in children under the age of five. Each year pneumonia alone kills 3 million children, while other acute respiratory infections cause another 1 million children to die (2). Yet even with such a high prevalence, ARI receives only 0.15% of the research and development budget for health (2).
The common acute infections of the upper and lower respiratory tract range from a simple cold or cough, otitis media, sore throat, laryngitis, to bronchitis, bronchiolitis, and pneumonia. Diphtheria, measles, and pertussis (whooping cough) are also respiratory infections. On average, children under age five experience between five and eight ARI episodes a year, which translates into at least 2,000 million episodes each year in the developing world (1). The majority of ARI episodes are mild and self-limiting, as in the case of coughs and colds. However, about one in every 30 to 50 episodes of cough will develop into pneumonia. Without treatment, 10% to 20% of pneumonia cases will result in death (1).
Acute respiratory infection can be attributed to an interaction between the host, the infectious agent, and the environment. Although 80% of all cases of pneumonia examined in hospitals in developing countries are caused by two types of bacteria, Streptococcus pneumoniae and Haemophilus influenzae, most other infections are of viral origin (1). Other risk factors that encourage the spread of ARI include: low birth weight, malnutrition, poor breast-feeding practices, specific nutritional deficiencies (especially Vitamin A), chilling in young infants, indoor air pollution (such as smoke from cooking fuels and tobacco), urban air pollution, illiteracy, overcrowding, poor hygiene, lack of access to health services (especially immunizations), and low socioeconomic status. Many of these risk factors may interact through complex mechanisms to cause subsequent illness.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 683116
so it most likely IS viral/bacterial at the same time...impossible to treat, it would seem, w/o serious risk to a patient...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 618285 11/5/2009 9:55 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
As in the UKRAINE (where BAXTER took possession of recombined vaccines- isnt it odd they have a Level 3 lab complex there)
that "accidently" left an L3 quarantine lab in the usa
but THERE ARE VERY FEW SWINE FLU CASES
all it took was a few people to get the shot full of the superbug, and then it would spread-and mutate exponentially;
It is said to have mutated into an UNTREATABLE DISEASE OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN Epidemiologists are said to be baffled
it has the characteristics of the pneumonic plague
your blot collects in your lungs and reaches temps of 55C (135F)
based on sketchy info, but all trains in the region have stopped, schools closed and no public gatherings
500,000 infected (unconfirmed)
25,000 in hospitals "
1000 dead " (went from 80 very rapidly)
It is now rapidly spreading to the Caususes and Belorus regions (unconfirmed)
take your vitamin D3 that is D3-not D1 like in milk, Vit C and garlic
NOT the Swine Flu shot
you might get more than you bargained for
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 809683
it all seems like alot of hype AGAIN.
I am guessing that the only thing that is really happening is that hospitals are in a HIGHLY SENSITIVE CONDITION right now...so if someone dies from a virus or unknown sickness...first thing is the assumption that it is swine flu (drama trauma)...second thing is that if it's not the swine flu it MUST BE SOMETHING HORRIFIC.
AND THEN IT GETS POSTED ON GLP AS A CONSPIRITORIAL EXPERIMENT ON THE HUMAN RACE.
real truth? highly likely that these numbers of people get sick every fall/winter and some die (a very few actually).
HELLO PEOPLE!!! IF THESE SICKNESSES WERE PLAGUES OR ENGINEERED BUGS TO WIPE OUT THE PLANET...THEN THE MORTALITY RATE WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE THAN A PALTRY .5%
GEEZ! people get sick and die ALL THE TIME at this time of year...all kinds of infectious diseases and viruses like staph, pneumonia, etc...
Try Pulmonary (pneumonic, respiratory, or inhalational) anthrax.
Respiratory infection in humans initially presents with cold or flu-like symptoms for several days, followed by severe (and often fatal) respiratory collapse. Historical mortality was 92%, but when treated early (seen in the 2001 anthrax attacks) observed mortality was 45%.[14] Illness progressing to the fulminant phase has a 97% mortality regardless of treatment.
Mind control via media and other forms, biological agents being tested/deployed, some military organization sure is having fun...
Xenus User ID: 806819 11/5/2009 11:32 PM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Everyone is so quick to jump on the swine flu band wagon, no one really checks the facts. Just because something exhibits "flu like symptoms" doesn't make it a fucking flu. Any assumption of flu like symptoms equating to flu is a logical fallacy. There are many things that cause flu like symptoms, but not that many which lead to death from lung problems.
The reason for all the media hype this year for the flu, is that anytime any flu like symptoms are present and reported people assume it's the flu. But what if it's not?
TX PATRIOT User ID: 811671 11/6/2009 5:39 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
OMG maybe things are really going to start unravelling in 3rd world countries.
Quoting: beau
^^ That is such a horribly negative label. Where the fuck did anyone ever come up with such to refer to less advanced countries?? It sounds like a caste system. Third class citizens (countries).
The label has always pissed me off.
/
TX PATRIOT User ID: 811671 11/6/2009 5:46 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
I think it is called Rhinovirus that accounts for the other Higher percentage of respiratory ailments that were reported below.
Quote: "WEEK 41 ending October 17, 09:
12,943 respiratory specimens were tested.
ONLY 37.5%of ALL respiratory specimens tested were POSITIVE FOR FLU (regardless of strain)
This indicates there is another huge variable here...a variable accounting for 62.5% of respiratory illness that were severe enough to be tested in the first place but were not flu (of any strain). What is it?
And what if these factors are being lumped in with UNCONFIRMED H1N1 numbers when they diagnose AND TREAT solely on symptoms leading, of course, to grossly inflated H1N1 numbers for greater support of vaccination and thus feeding this cycle?
Got respiratory illness? No testing, just diagnose as H1N1."
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 683116
With respect, AC, rhinovirus is the common cold. Symptoms of the common cold would not invoke respiratory culture testing ESPECIALLY since July medical professionals have been told to not even test for swine flu (dx by symptoms).
So, we are dealing with a variable (or variables) that are severe enough in symptoms to be tested. That's not a common cold.
What is this variable that carries symptoms severe enough to be tested under these circumstances AND is occurring at a higher rate than H1N1??
.
TX PATRIOT User ID: 811671 11/6/2009 5:57 AM
Re: 35 dead in India, had flu symptoms, tested NEGATIVE for Swine!!!!!!!!
Interesting. On another forum, a medical student in Livv was trying to return to India because of the out break. Last I saw he was feeling sick but still flying out of there to India. I'll check his thread his thread and see if he made it out and when, if he made it out.
He said that there were a something like 200 students at the hostel he was staying at that scattered on account of this outbreak, now that I think a little more about it. I'm wondering if there were more from India that made it home.
I'm off to check.
. .
Interesting.
Please do let us know what you hear on this!
.
I looked shortly after my post and it looked like he was in route back to India at the time. He got on the airplane for sure.
Quoting: Princess Bride
He made it through the health screening, including an infared scanner, and was allowed back into India. He now says he will be updating the thread with developments in India as he has information. Heart of the heroes, ride.
Up through an empty house of stars,
Being what heart you are,
Up the inhuman steeps of space
As on a staircase go in grace,
Carrying the firelight on your face
Beyond the loneliest star.
"The Ballad Of The White Horse,"
G. K. Chesterton
This is the generation of that great LEVIATHAN, or rather, to speak more reverently, of that mortal god to which we owe, under the immortal God, our peace and defence.
Thomas Hobbes
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