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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812130
11/7/2009 7:00 PM | | Re: God, or Lucifer making aliens (Hubble pic) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!! | Quote |
PS: You can still be a good person and do the right thing and help others while not being constrained to religions or your God (yes, I believe in God, but mine is light and love - simple as that).
Anything that tells you otherwise is full of shit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812130
11/8/2009 2:45 AM | | Re: God, or Lucifer making aliens (Hubble pic) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!! | Quote |
I win!  |
| Majick
User ID: 782145
11/8/2009 3:07 AM | | Majick
User ID: 782145
11/8/2009 3:08 AM | | Re: God, or Lucifer making aliens (Hubble pic) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!! | Quote |
To the right of the three stars slightly and up! Then After the disc the cigar directly right! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772667 (OP)
11/8/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: God, or Lucifer making aliens (Hubble pic) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!! | Quote |
Sorry, OP, but it's still messed up. He should have 1: Created us in the first place.
And if Satan is the one responsible for running amuck, then why hasn't he been destroyed? Surely it would be easy for Jehova to do. Why keep him around to mess with us?
And if Jehova knew the outcome of everything before it all happened, being omnipotent and all (he IS supposedly the great creator), then why did he let it all ride the way he did?
AND, here's a nice contradiction for you. Jehova IS omnipotent - he knows all things, right?
THEN, how come after Eve ate the "forbidden fruit" and while she was hiding, God didn't know where she was in the Garden AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW she ate it???
How come Jehova didn't know that Cain killed Able until he had to actually find out? You see? If your "God" knows everything about everything, then we shouldn't even be here, Satan shouldn't exist - Jehova would have known everything before it happened.
No offense, but you are literally brainwashed by that book and you are taking it literally. You are making good arguments, but I have the lead here and I know it. And you are praying to what once once a biological entity with a really long life-span and telepathic powers...
Of all the Alien encounter stories I have ever read, the main form of communication is telepathy...
When you pray and give worship, what are you doing??!?! Too bad those prayers are probably falling upon deaf ears because Jehova's dead and probably has been for a few thousand years, or if he's still alive, he's probably moved on to another civilization to fuck with.
I know your mind is made up, and you can't think outside the box, and I apologize (I am NOT condescending - I am actually being sincere), but I am here for rebuttal.
You are only believing what you want to believe, thanks to a book that was made into a religion that TELLS YOU not to think outside the box and ask questions, BECAUSE ANYTHING ELSE IS EVIL AND SATAN.
^^^^^ That right there is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. It's kind of a trap, and you just don't see it.
And here are some instances about how your awesome Jehova massacred people - all corroborated by your bible!!!!
Jehova Kills:
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 30,536,003
A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 30,536,006
God burned to death an unknown number for complaining Numbers 11:1, BT 100? 30,536,106
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 30,546,207
For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 30,561,169
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 30,589,269
God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) Dt.2:33-34, BT 3000? 30,687,269
God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people. Dt.3:3-6 60,000? 30,747,269
God tells Joshua to stone to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 30,748,274
For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19, BT 50,070 31,016,480
Judean soldiers because they had forsaken the Lord 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 33,040,216
And what the fuck is this?
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 32,920,216 <----- Those last numbers are the amounts of people he killed.
Like a little kid with a magnifying glass on ants because a few of them bit him and hurt his pride.
Sorry, but Jehova was a scumbag, and like I said - I don't know exactly how evil Satan really was, but find me records of him actually killing people.
I'll be waiting.
Peace! And no, I am not the devil. I am a truth seeker. DON'T GET IT TWISTED because a book tells you so.
As a response to your first statement, if you knew that one day your kids would beat up someone, get expelled, do drugs, leave the house and all that, would you prevent the birth?
He created us out of free will, and hasn't destroyed Satan for he's a just God. Now onto your question, why do you see the need for him to destroy Satan? Because he's evil, sins, disobeys?? If he were to destroy Satan he would have to be fair and destroy humans, too; for humans also sin.
That's part of the great game of free will, there are those who follow, and those who do not.
If one dog is mean, does that mean all dogs are mean? Should they all be destroyed because you know some will make a mess? No, simply no.
God kept satan around as part of his plan for us, part of free will, to learn to choose good, and resist the evil (sin). Without wanting to, satan is HELPING carry out God's plan. Now you might be asking, why do we need satan to help affect our choices of the righteous and of the wrong? The answer is that with his influence there's the right amount of opposition to the good to make our test the most meaningful. Like a question on an exam, do you expect the teachers to have a multiple choice question with 3 OBVIOUSLY bizarre, and wrong answers with 1 correct one, or 1 obviously incorrect one, 2 closely right ones, and 1 correct one. The teachers won't have a test that easy, because you won't be learning anything.
Don't worry though eventually after the 1000 years of peace and the war of Armageddon we will be free of Satan's influence and he will be put in his place.
God let it all ride, because everything already happened.He lives in the eternal realm, where there is no time, but infinity. The future already happened since he's in eternity, we are experiencing time.
God DID know where she was hiding, and that she ate if for he already knew. But he was testing his children to see if they would lie and such (TEST).
I'm not brainwashed by a book, nor do I take it literally. I take it for the revelations brought out by God, for a normal person reading the Bible that does not have the holy spirit would probably read the Bible and say something along the lines of "What the hell is this?", hence the accusations of fairy tales and such.
Also I don't need someone putting words in my mouth, I know what I'm praying to, he is no dead biological entity that died, he is GOD, the creator, the father, everything!
My prayers HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, I honestly don't need some anonymous coward on the internet to say what goes, and doesn't go on in my life! For I know what is going on.
I am well aware that the system of religion, of rituals, ceremonies and all that turn away from God, luckily I am not that. I do think outside the box, and do not only religiously follow text.
The matter of punishment isn't about pride, it's about disobedience! (Refer back to my previous post.)
Satan is a scumbag by tempting people into other satanic religions, legalizing sin, atheism, and false doctrines.
Suicide is contributed to negative reasons, which are of Satan. More than 2000 people die from suicide each day.
Not contributing all satanic rituals, Illuminati rituals (9/11), wars, and all. |
| iMPAiREd
User ID: 812130
11/9/2009 8:27 AM | | Re: God, or Lucifer making aliens (Hubble pic) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!! | Quote |
Eek - I guess I give up after all... You're believing the book on a biased level because it say's how to believe it, so you believe it. If the book said "Jump", you would ask, "how high?".
If it said to lather melted marshmallows all over yourself while chanting "Boogie woogie woogie", you would probably do that too (or at least any truly practicing Christian who follows the book to the tee).
But then, why do almost all Christians make compromises with the Bible? Believe this and follow this, but not that. You can't do that according to the book.
AND, why are there so many different denominations of Christianity? Which one is right? Why are there so many different Religions? Which one is right? How the HELL do you know for a fact that yours is right? Tell me! A feeling doesn't count.
Just because it says in the Bible that JEHOVA says that he is the man - the all-mighty, you believe it. This is what I am talking about. You and YOUR religion is right, but everything else is wrong. Religion = control based on fear - do the wrong thing, and you go to hell (it's a great form of control, and I think we really needed it at one point - perhaps still do because humans are still animals in a sense.) I CAN indeed appreciate the fact that it keeps people walking the line, for the most part, but once that right perspective is attained, I think it should be cast aside.
All I agree with are some of the 10 commandments (the obvious ones). Don't kill, don't steal, honor the parents, and a one I had problems with but now understand and appreciate as well is the "Do not be jealous of the neighbor".
The other one's are were all created with only Jehova in mind - like not to have other god's before him (oooh! So there ARE other Gods, huh? And if you say "He said not to worship idols, then there is your ego (his ego) again".
Observe the Sabbath because that is HIS day of rest, and etc.
And you never got back to me on the people he killed for ridiculous reasons.
And as far as your prayers being answered, congratulations, but I call that either coincidence, OR better yet - the law of attraction.
The mind is a very powerful thing. Willing something to happen - especially on a mass level creates some kind of energy that caused an action.
There was some story I read where a bunch of people were MEDITATING on something to happen. I forget exactly what it was, but it happened. That's all that is.
I believe Science is wrong in alot of it's ways, but correct in some. And I think Religion is wrong in alot of it's way as well, but correct in some also. Things were lost in translation, also, so you need to put that into consideration.
And like I said before, there WERE no words to explain certain phenomena. Replace God, angels, Satan, and demons with ExtraTerrestrials, and it makes perfect sense - EVERYTHING!!!
But yeah, I believe that they are both wrong and right (Science and Religion), but I still heavily disagree with you about how God created everything the way he says he did and about the whole Satan deal (about letting him/it exist knowing the outcomes). And hey, if Satan is indeed a scumbag, then we are on the same team. But who killed more people, like I said? Find a citation where Satan actually killed people.
And I don't think God was testing Eve in the Garden anymore than he was testing Cain. Testing - another load of crap.
Any God, or being that expects us to find the right way in this life - KNOWING that there are COUNTLESS amounts of religions and this Satan out there - and then sends us to "hell" for eternity to burn forever for getting wrong when it's not our fault for not knowing FOR SURE can literally kiss my ass.
AND, why would Jehova create Satan, know that Satan would rebel and torture us - getting us sent to hell when Jehova could have just not created him? Your analogy wasn't good enough for me.
If I were a parent and I had a kid, I wouldn't create or let into his/or life a detrimental person or entity who would set my kid up for failure. As parents, the whole point is to SHIELD their kids FROM things like that - not to let the bad one in and sit back and watch - and then punish for ALL OF ETERNITY. You don't see the unfairness over here - AT ALL.
Parents punish kids when they do wrong, yeah, but they forgive them if the kid's action happened because of a set-up. "Oh son, he set you up to do that? Ok. No TV for a week, and don't let it happen again". Then the bad kid is kept away. The parent doesn't PURPOSELY keep the bad kid around to constantly "test" the parent's kid. That's crazy!
If he was omnipotent and the True creator, and was still alive, THERE SHOULD BE NO GUESSING GAMES. THERE SHOULD BE NO NEED FOR FAITH. He should just be there in the sky and make himself known. The whole "He's testing us" is bullshit and you know it. And a test every so often (or whenever necessary) is one thing, but Jehova's consequence for FAILING a test is beyond extreme, and don't tell me you disagree. If you do, then we're done here.
Why the need to test? And if we fail we burn for eternity. Maybe, uhh - MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN TO US so we can believe you! Don't have us guessing like a bunch of idiots! Don't play favorites! Don't set landmines!
Burning in hell for eternity. There's your fear, which = control. Simple as that.
But no, it's all a big game, and when you put your bias aside, you can SEE it is a big game. And the fact that you need "FAITH" is also a dead giveaway.
As well as the ego Jehova suffers from. Ego's and God's don't or shouldn't mix.
And that anonymous coward is me - iMPAiREd. I finally made an account here.
So I guess I step down. You believe it your way, I will believe it my way.
Peace be with you as well as with me.
Every Burden is a Blessing. |
| Astronut
User ID: 634208
11/9/2009 8:35 AM | | Re: God, or Lucifer making aliens (Hubble pic) CHECK IT OUT!!!!!! | Quote |
Also in that same image - not protoplanets! Quoting: Majick 782145
What, are you just saying that because of how I pointed out earlier that they ARE just protoplanetary discs which is why they've been there for at least a decade and did not change between observations by hubble? It's a protoplanetary disc surrounding its young protostar. One is viewed edge on, the other is viewed from a more face on perspective.
Last Edited by Astronut on 11/9/2009 at 8:37 AM |
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