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Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 684208
11/6/2009 12:21 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

"I hope you burn in hell"

lol- the enemy or a collaborator wishing me ill? lol

who would suspect?

yep- the ol muslims that would love to see me and mine have thier heads chopped off and would drink wine and laugh about it and would like for all americans to be like the pussy chkra beleiving crstal gazing pussies on glp -

but as we are at war and i am on the side that want to make sure my people don;t die to muslims then i guess their may have to wait at least for a few of my type to go away or be defeated or whine avbout thier dead.

in the meantime i think of a muslim mother holding her dead baby in phosphorous light, like an anglelic glow - and it lulls me to sleep in a sound slumber. lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811761


You're a sick fuck. You're worse than those that you hate. Spawn of Satan to talk about a mother and a dead child, or using women as whores.

i definatley think that the benefit of muslim women whores for the troops, husbands and boyfriends to test out anti riot weapondry, and suicide brigades they can aim at the enmey make letting muslims in the army a good idea
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811761
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 763624
11/6/2009 12:24 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

its time to send them to meet their 72 virgins

Sorry but until they stop their massive killings et.al. I cannot stop feeling the way I do.
 Quoting: HellBoy



good to see that the god fearing christians (even if grammar is a bit beyond their capabilities) are willing to step up and show the rest of the world that they really havent learnt anything since the pope ordered them to get out the iron pincers and have fun with all those nice young innocent 10 yr old boys and girls- sorry i meant to say to say choir boys,sorry, orphans, sorry (I'll get it right this time..) vile `muslems' LOL

;-)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 811761
11/6/2009 12:26 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

my, such language. My dear sir, i am not sure one can argue with the validity of how one feels. lol

I for one have no problems with such.

and when a little girl looks across the table and her father is not there because a muslim blew his face off, and some Satanic person such as myself says- he was fighting the enemy- they will pay -they will pay triple- revenge is one of the most noble aspects of man-

and sip swome wine and laugh at the enemies dead. While the cowardly such as yourself are not so bothersome , unless they stop gathering ammo or get in the way.
mr...bojangles
User ID: 811015
11/6/2009 12:26 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

the apocalypse is here....

the third horseman has arrived....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772492
11/6/2009 12:27 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

He is NOT an AMERICAN. Fuck this shit.
 Quoting: bed

He IS an AMERICAN. Fuck this shit.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798834
11/6/2009 12:30 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Fact - The US is at war against radical Islam

Why would you have people in the military that have or may have allegiance or sympathy with the enemy?

Elliminating Muslims from the military is NOT a freedom of religion issue - no one is saying they can't practice thier faith.

One might ask why any Muslim, radical or not, would want to join our military and potentially kill other Muslims.
jarha Subscriber
User ID: 109238
11/6/2009 12:36 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

He is NOT an AMERICAN. Fuck this shit.

Germans said same thing about jews in 1939

lmao



The Jews were not terrorists. Nice to try and project them in the same light...


Not every muslim is a terrorist. But it seems people on this forum are getting problems to understand that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811773

Quran is for Moslems "THE BOOK OF INSTRUCTIONS" how to kill

people of other religions. That's where is the problem.

So, I think that most of us understand what they are.

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 763624
11/6/2009 12:36 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

my, such language. My dear sir, i am not sure one can argue with the validity of how one feels. lol

I for one have no problems with such.

and when a little girl looks across the table and her father is not there because a muslim blew his face off, and some Satanic person such as myself says- he was fighting the enemy- they will pay -they will pay triple- revenge is one of the most noble aspects of man-

and sip swome wine and laugh at the enemies dead. While the cowardly such as yourself are not so bothersome , unless they stop gathering ammo or get in the way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811761

hmmm I know the bible cant actually get its story straight
(ie turn the other cheek versus an eye for an eye- no wonder the Xtarts are so screwed up LOL)


but does it ever occur to your tiny hate filled mind that when the `christian rightwing'americans come into a moslem country- and `shock and awe' it - on lies mind you...

that it might make the septics even less liked than they were before???

I mean its not like they put saddam in power in the first place did they????


(slaps head- DOH thats not supposed to be told to merkins idiot)

its not like the only weapons of mass destruction were the 20 yr old gass weapons bushes dad sold to saddam (at a huge profit mind you)

(shut up you idiot, thats not for merkin's to know about OK...)

It's not like they have caused over a million dead in Iraq since bushes dad first tried to pull a fast one and didnt get away with it (slant drilling- what slant drilling `didnt' happen ????)



(hisses shutup already we cant tell them about THAT ok...)
Chiox Subscriber
User ID: 688004
11/6/2009 12:38 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Military jihadists fill 'every branch'
Ultimate 5th column penetration, warns best-selling 'Muslim Mafia'


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Military jihadists fill 'every branch'
Ultimate 5th column penetration, warns best-selling 'Muslim Mafia'
Posted: November 06, 2009
12:10 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan

"Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor." That's what Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 12, who were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."

Shockingly, a growing number of other Muslim American soldiers as well as civilian contractors have put their religion before their duty. Some like Hasan have killed, or tried to kill, their fellow soldiers. Others have infiltrated the military in order to undermine it and aid and comfort the enemy.

According to an explosive new book, "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America," Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military – which is too blinded by political correctness to see the threat.

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Quoting from a classified military briefing, "Muslim Mafia" reveals that this Fifth Column has penetrated "every branch of the U.S. military." The Islamist enemy has even infiltrated the al-Qaida detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Security officials at Gitmo have been investigating a possible new spy ring involving several "dirty" Arabic linguists who are accused among other things of:

omitting valuable intelligence from their translations of detainee interrogations;

slipping notes to detainees inside copies of the Quran;

coaching detainees to make allegations of abuse against interrogators; and

meeting with suspects on the terrorist watchlist while traveling back in the United States.
More than 75 former Gitmo detainees have returned to the battlefield or anti-American jihad. Some met with the suspect Muslim translators. Others were privately counseled by chaplains also under investigation for security breaches.

Gitmo security officials recently met with FBI agents in Philadelphia to aid their investigation into one of the Muslim linguists under contract at Gitmo, according to sources quoted in the book who are familiar with the investigation.

They also this summer briefed members of Congress about the prison camp's internal security breaches, according to "Muslim Mafia," which is co-authored by former federal agent P. David Gaubatz and investigative journalist Paul Sperry, author of "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington," which is being used by law enforcement and the military.

"Three years of investigations have revealed the presence of pro-jihad/anti-Western activities among the civilian contractor and military linguist population serving Joint Task Force Guantanamo," states a copy of the classified Gitmo briefing, which was prepared in May 2009 for the FBI and CIA, as well as the congressional intelligence committees.

The report explains that dirty Arabic linguists have gathered classified data involving detainees, interrogations and security operations in an effort to "disrupt" Gitmo operations and U.S. "intelligence-collection capabilities."

It goes on to specifically finger the Muslim Brotherhood, which it calls a terrorist group, in the conspiracy. The Muslim Brotherhood and its U.S. operations and front groups are the subject of "Muslim Mafia."

"These actions are deliberate, carefully planned, global, and to the benefit of the detainees and multiple terrorist organizations, to include al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood," the briefing states, according to the bestselling book.

The enemy infiltration is not limited to Guantanamo.

The report strongly suggests that Islamist spies have penetrated nearly every sensitive U.S. security agency involved in the war on terror, potentially compromising intelligence government-wide.

"Persons participating in this activity move regularly between multiple contracting companies, various intelligence agencies in the U.S. government [FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, etc.], and every branch of the U.S. military."

The investigation comes on the heels of a major Muslim espionage ring that the FBI broke up at Gitmo in 2004.

A former Army Muslim chaplain was charged with espionage, mishandling classified documents, and lying to investigators, and served hard time in the stockade. Two of his Muslim brothers at Gitmo, both Arabic interpreters, were convicted of stealing or mishandling classified documents.

Hasan, the alleged Fort Hood terrorist, is a U.S. citizen whose Palestinian parents emigrated from the West Bank.

Col. Lee said Hasan complained about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He had hoped President Obama would quickly end them, but when they "didn't come to a quick end, he got more agitated."

This summer, Lee says he overheard Hasan praise the Muslim who shot two soldiers at a military recruiting station in Little Rock, Ark.

"He was happy" about it, Lee said in an interview with Fox News. "He said 'Maybe we should have more of these people. Maybe people should strap [on] bombs and go into town squares.'"

There are some 40 Muslims at Fort Hood, and an estimated 15,000 Muslims serving throughout the U.S. armed forces.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations cautioned against a rush to judgment about the shooter's motives.

"The motive of the attacker is not yet known," insisted CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. (The FBI recently cut off ties to the Washington-based group after identifying it as a front group for Hamas terrorists in the largest terror finance case in U.S. history. CAIR and its founding chairman were named unindicted terrorist co-conspirators in the case.)

But other current and former Muslims, who oppose CAIR and dispute its claims to representing American Muslims, say the shooter's motive is clear: violent jihad in the name of radical Islam.

"America needs to awaken from its sleep and its unwillingness to face the issue of fundamentalist Islam in our midst which undoubtedly is the cause of the tragedy in Fort Hood," said Walid Shoebat, a former Islamist terrorist.

"Some very serious decisions need to [be] made when it comes to having Muslims protecting our country, as it is impossible to know whether they may be honorable or foxes in the hen house."

[link to www.wnd.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 657905
11/6/2009 12:42 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

CNN just said this guy that took out the base was complaining to a store clerk about having to go overseas and kill other muslim terrorists...

So one must ask themselves...

WHAT IN THE FUCK WAS THIS GUY DOING IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY?
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


If you know and understand history, this question is a non-starter.

For thousands of years, RELIGION -- not government -- was the common bond that held together civilizations. In fact, in most cases, religion WAS government. In most parts of the world, that is still true to a great extent. Only in the United States and many parts of Europe has government replaced religion. The idea of "separation of church and state" is novel and new in the grand scheme of life.

So, to answer your question, if a country is to be secure, then it cannot be politically correct. It MUST have a common set of values among its people, and sometimes that set of values will mean that some will be excluded.

Simple as that.
mr...bojangles
User ID: 811015
11/6/2009 12:43 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Fact - The US is at war against radical Islam

Why would you have people in the military that have or may have allegiance or sympathy with the enemy?

Elliminating Muslims from the military is NOT a freedom of religion issue - no one is saying they can't practice thier faith.

One might ask why any Muslim, radical or not, would want to join our military and potentially kill other Muslims.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798834


he wasn`t a radical....

until he started to hear the stories from the troops coming back home....

war is not a picnic....
jarha Subscriber
User ID: 109238
11/6/2009 12:47 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

He is NOT an AMERICAN. Fuck this shit.

Germans said same thing about jews in 1939

lmao



The Jews were not terrorists. Nice to try and project them in the same light...


Not every muslim is a terrorist. But it seems people on this forum are getting problems to understand that.

Quran is for Moslems "THE BOOK OF INSTRUCTIONS" how to kill

people of other religions. That's where is the problem.

So, I think that most of us understand what they are.
 Quoting: jarha

"Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor." That's what Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 12, who were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808855
11/6/2009 12:48 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Quite the propaganda play this morning. The Exec. Dir. of CAIR declared the shootings "deplorable" and Hasan's family released their statement of "prayers for the affected families...We love America.", etc, etc. If we allow Muslims in our military, then the FBI needs to double-screen recruits and rescreen every SSAM presently enlisted or commissioned.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 763624
11/6/2009 12:54 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."


hmmm why would he be that pissed off at the merkins anyways???

those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it indeed

wonder how many of his family were killed in the `shock and awe' bullshit based on lies???


hmmm makes `some' people think- but dont let us stop the retarded xians want to kill even more people on even more lies


almost makes one think that the whole xian thing is based on lies doesnt it???
LemuriaInTheSea
User ID: 802811
11/6/2009 12:58 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

CNN just said this guy that took out the base was complaining to a store clerk about having to go overseas and kill other muslim terrorists...

So one must ask themselves...

WHAT IN THE FUCK WAS THIS GUY DOING IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY?

now that is the big question . and who was he working for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811623


Exactly. Why was this guy allowed in our military. Some reform has to take place in the recruitment process.

I don't know necessarily about excluding devout muslims. That would be like saying will you exclude devout christians.

The problem to be adressed in my opinion (IMO) would be is that recruit a fanatic religious freak.

The foundation for all major religions in the world is basically "love thy neighbor as yourself", "treat others as you would want to be treated". From micro to macro.

When nations treat other nations without respect. When nations plunder other nations' resources, when groups (religions, races, etc) do not respect others groups rights; when a person abuses another person with terrible verbal attacks, physical attacks...these people, groups, nations, are not following the Golden Rule.

Quote From Father Benito Juarez. "El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz".

Translation: The respect for other peoples rights is the peace.

God, all this stuff happening is insane. I feel like I'm seeing a Batman movie; you got the Joker, the Penguin, the evil characters. Then you got Batman, Robin, the Commissioner. Evil versus Good.

Have a Good Day all. Stay Focus on God and his goodness today. Be good to the people interact with today.

Gotta go get ready for work.
sd1975
User ID: 786565
11/6/2009 1:01 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Apparently there is a risk factor of having DEVOUT Muslims in the US military..when your fighting a war against muslim extremisms it just makes no sense to me to have devout muslims fighting along side with you. Unless that changes then I said 'No'.
mr...bojangles
User ID: 811015
11/6/2009 1:05 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

things are only going to get worse....

the beast has been unleashed.....

the apocalypse has arrived.....

in war there are no rules...

and anyone who doesn`t know that....

is the king of fools!

The u.s. govt. has tried to keep the media from reporting the atrocities that are committed in your name by the military.....

the CIA sends hit squads to kill american soldiers....

and you people don`t even have a clue.....

good luck.....

you are going to need it badly....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812000
11/6/2009 1:22 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Yes. They should so long as there willing to defend the ideals and beliefs of the American constitution and the American people.
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Forum Administrator
11/6/2009 1:26 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

What really failed here is our own military's...and really our entire society's, ability to react to a genuine threat because of political correctness and the legal consequences that would arise out of the so called "discrimination" that any reaction would have given rise to.

Some black guy blabs off a bunch of crap about how he thinks black people should rise up and kill the white oppressors.

Some Mexican guy rants off about how Mexicans should kill all the illegal occupiers in Texas and take back the land.

Some Muslim guy tells people that Muslims should attack the USA because we are the invading infidels.

Some Neo-Nazi guy wails off about how the Jews should be killed no matter where they are.

on and on and on and all these guys are in our military and what can be done? Nothing, for fear of being accused of racism or discrimination and face a law suit or punishment of some sort because political correctness and tolerance of multi-cultural ism must be adhered to even if it costs lives....and in this situation where it concerns our own military?...it may very well one day cost any one us OUR lives.

So instead of using some actual sense regarding an officer in the military who was apparently making some very suspect statements about how our soldiers should be killed and how he supported that. Everyone treats the guy as if he is radioactive and nobody dares question him about it...maybe if there is a 12 month white glove protective coating investigation he might be asked something like..."Uh hey man, do you like think the guys you are hanging out with should like kill our soldiers?"

It reminds me on an old sketch I saw where some reporter interviews the neighbors of some guy who went on a killing spree and they were all saying things like, "Oh yes he used to talk about mowing people down with a machine gun all the time, he kept his lawn really nice", "yeah, he was a quiet guy except for when he was screaming about how he was going to shoot a bunch of people real soon", "Well he mostly kept to himself except for when he was shooting and stabbing dummies in his backyard screaming out things like ONE DAY THIS IS GOING TO YOU AHAHAHAHA!!!!", "No we never suspected he might do this, one day when he was telling me how he was going to shoot as many people as he possibly could in a maniac killing spree I thought that he did seem to be letting his lawn go, I guess that might of been a sign, but he was a really nice guy."

Seems to me that the ability to even question anything that might involve anything that somewhere has been deemed "sensitive" is just gone...and more and more things are being added to that list everyday...it's getting irrational...and tragedy like this is the result.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514339
11/6/2009 1:28 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

how about should devout Muslims be allowed to be President??!?!!?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667248
11/6/2009 1:28 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOT!! rant
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667248
11/6/2009 1:31 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

final conclusion:

We (America) are so FUCKED.
cossack47
User ID: 812006
11/6/2009 1:39 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

For heaven`s sake they shouldn`t even be allowed into the COUNTRY.Forty years ago there were 250,000 muslims in Western Europe ; today there are over 20,000,000.My own country [UK] has the appearance of a conquered nation as one by one it`s cities are ethnically cleansed and taken over by Muslims.London now has half of it`s population originating in foreign lands and this situation has been deliberately engineered by our government to disenfranchise it`s own people who have long been hostile to third world immigration.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758025
11/6/2009 1:39 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Christians are allowed in the military. In WWII, they were fighting other Christians, radical christians. Today, we have muslims fighting radical muslims. If we say no to letting different groups in the military because other members of that muslim group are crazy, we'd dwindle down our fighters.

This idiot was in the military to reap all the rewards: an education, money, etc, but he wasn't willing to fight? He shouldn't have been in the military in the first place
It isn't politically correct to keep Muslims out of the military, but if they can't agree to shoot a Muslim, they should be kept out
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 811126
11/6/2009 1:40 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Should a Muslim be allowed to be President?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758025
11/6/2009 1:42 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

how about should devout Muslims be allowed to be President??!?!!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 514339


Snap!!!

Honestly, I probably wouldn't vote for a devout Muslim, or some intense christians for that matter. They insist on ruling based on what their religion tells them.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 763624
11/6/2009 1:42 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

final conclusion:

We (America) are so FUCKED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667248

first sensible thing i have seen on this thread so far

whats sadder is that you have noone to blame but yourselves
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 514339
11/6/2009 1:44 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

how about should devout Muslims be allowed to be President??!?!!?


Snap!!!

Honestly, I probably wouldn't vote for a devout Muslim, or some intense christians for that matter. They insist on ruling based on what their religion tells them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758025


which is why obama lied about his religion during his campaign
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812016
11/6/2009 1:45 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

The only way around this, beside banning Muslims from the armed services and police forces, is to make each soldier take a specific oath:

"I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Barak Obama, the President of the United States, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 667248
11/6/2009 1:54 PM
Re: Should Devout Muslims Be Allowed In The United States Military?Quote

Should a Muslim be allowed to be President?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811126

I seriously read this as:
"Should a Muslim be allowed to shoot the President?"
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