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**SPOILER ALERT**"The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax**SPOILER ALERT**

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Alien abduction flick The Fourth Kind bills itself as containing "actual footage" from case histories. But this footage is so poorly faked that it insults the audience's intelligence. So why are people still calling this movie scary? Spoilers ahead.

The movie has an incredibly terrifying premise. Hundreds of people have gone missing from the tiny, isolated town of Nome, Alaska since the 1960s. These missing persons cases have never been solved. But then a psychiatrist named Abigail Tyler starts investigating a rash of sleep disorders in Nome, and discovers that her patients are all having the same visions of white owls who interrupt their dreams. And when she hypnotizes one of her patients to find out more about this "owl," he is reduced to abject terror and then flees her office to kill his family and himself. Another patient, when hypnotized, starts screaming in ancient Sumerian and starts levitating.

Eventually Tyler realizes the people of Nome are being abducted by aliens, and she has been too. Set her discoveries against the tragic backdrop of her husband's recent, violent death (by aliens?) beside her in bed, and you've got a mega-spooky idea. Plus, there is actual documentary footage from the "real life" Tyler's sessions with these patients. And she even manages to record herself being abducted by aliens who scream at her in Sumerian.

Having grown up utterly terrified by the alien abduction scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I understand why The Fourth Kind sounds scary. Plus it promised to be a pseudo-documentary, showing us never-before-seen footage of people who have evidence that they've been stolen from their beds at night by hostile aliens. Sealing the deal was a star turn by Milla Jovovich, who makes every action movie more awesome.

But the movie stumbled out of the gate by hanging most of its fear power on a fundamental dishonesty. There is no "archival footage." There are no "actual case studies." Instead, we get badly-acted, blatantly fake documentary footage which fuzzes out whenever anything alien happens. There is some interesting editing, where filmmaker Olatunde Osunsanmi shows the fake footage split-screened alongside a reenactment of the fake footage and you feel like you're either watching 24 or some kind of weird art-school critique of documentary realism. Unfortunately the ashen fake/real Tyler is such a bad actress, and her CGI-widened eyes so "alien," that you wind up with the sense that Osunsanmi and crew thought audiences for this movie would be so monumentally stupid that they would fall for anything.

I'm not against fake documentaries. I loved Paranormal Activity, which was effective because the actors seemed so effortlessly real. Nothing felt stagey or artificial about that movie's "documentary" evidence.

What pushes Fourth Kind from the merely bad into the actually insulting was the filmmakers' insistence that the documentary evidence was real. Actors from the "documentary" portions of the movie are uncredited, and many media outlets are still reporting that the footage is real. There was even an ill-fated Web campaign to create false professional credentials and publications for Abigail Tyler, but after investigative reporter Kyle Hopkins revealed them as fakes they were taken down. Here's what Hopkins wrote:

Try Googling "Abigail Tyler" and "Alaska." You'll get a link to a convincingly boring Web site called the "Alaska Psychiatry Journal" - complete with a biography of a psychologist by that name who researched sleep behavior in Nome. Except the site is suspiciously vacant, mostly a collection of articles on sleep studies with no home page or contact information.

Another site, www.alaskanewsarchive.com, features a story from the Nome Nugget about Tyler moving to Nome for research. The problem? The story is credited to Nugget editor and publisher Nancy McGuire, who says it's baloney and she never wrote it.Both the news site and the medical journal site were created just last month, according to domain-name research sites. Ron Adler is CEO and director of the Alaska Psychiatric Institute. Denise Dillard is president of the Alaska Psychological Association. They said this week they've never heard of the Alaska Psychiatry Journal, or of Abigail Tyler.

So basically the movie's fakery was so badly done that people involved with the movie didn't even bother to create a convincing "Abigail Tyler" website that they could maintain once the movie came out.

What I'm saying is that Fourth Kind reeks of laziness. Despite having a great concept, it fails at every turn to make that concept convincing or menacing. And this lackluster mood permeates all aspects of the film - not just the poorly-executed hoax gimmick at its heart.

There are three competing, poorly-integrated stories vying for your attention in this movie.

First, there's the alien abduction story, and the mystery around what the aliens are doing, which is never solved. All we know is that the aliens are scary, and that they steal people out of their beds. We never understand why anybody would want to be hypnotized by Tyler and Co. after the first few people she hypnotizes kill themselves or get their backs broken when aliens possess them and distort their bodies. Even though Tyler has two credible witnesses to every single hypnosis session, including one that involves alien possession and levitation, those credible witnesses mysteriously never corroborate her story. So we see her screaming and crying when police arrive to arrest her for breaking her patient's back, and neither of her credible friends comes forward to say, "Actually I was there, I am a licensed whatever, and this guy broke his own back while having some kind of alien-induced seizure."

Second, there is the mystery of how Tyler's husband died. She remembers him being murdered by an intruder, and for most of the movie her psychiatrist friend is trying to hypnotize her so she can remember the intruder's face. But then it turns out that actually her husband shot himself, and she hallucinated the murder. And everybody, including her friend, knew this all along. But nobody tried to tell her. So we've got this hallucinating, crazed lady who is being allowed to hypnotize people? And who still has custody of her kids, even though her son is clearly scared of her? By the time the aliens "abduct" her daughter during a fuzzed-out documentary moment, you are ready for her to be arrested and put in a psychiatric hospital.

Finally, there's a whole "chariot of the gods" idea that's sort of flung into the story as if we weren't already up to our eyeballs in disbelief we couldn't suspend even if we wanted to. The aliens speak in ancient Sumerian, which a professor is inexplicably able to understand, despite the fact that the only access to Sumerian he has are from ancient texts. Nobody knows how the language would have been pronounced. Still, he figures out that the aliens are yelling things like "I am god," and using the word "destroyed" a lot. We also don't understand why they're still speaking an ancient language - you'd think by now they would try speaking English since they've been abducting Alaskans since before Sarah Palin was born.

So we're left with an absolute mess of crappily-done documentary footage, inexplicable aliens who act more like demons than scifi creatures, and a main character (Tyler) who seems like a complete crazy lady. Milla Jovovich still manages to shine, though it's hard when she has lines like, "My baby! They stole my baby!"

By the end of The Fourth Kind, you'll feel swindled - and not in the happy, they-fooled-me way. I can only assume that people who were scared by this movie, or even vaguely intrigued by it, were responding more to the movie's concept rather than its execution. There were a lot of ways Osunsanmi could have taken this movie to salvage it. He could have focused on making the documentary hoax convincing by creating believable footage and a smarter online presence. Or he could have pushed the movie over into the realm of Weekly World News camp, winking at the audience while also delivering some chills. Instead, he wrote and directed a movie whose earnestness is laughable - and whose "reality" segments feel more staged than Jon and Kate Plus Eight.


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I'm still looking forward to the movie.
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Anonymous Coward
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11/6/2009 3:44 PM
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I'm still looking forward to the movie.
 Quoting: DrPostman

I'm looking forward to it, too. Viewed as entertainment, rather than education, why not?

Wonder if the fraud-factor was done so pathetically so as to be easily exposed and discredit what actual abductees and researchers are bringing to the table?

Good thread, Dr. Postman, hope more people enter it.
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11/6/2009 3:46 PM
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Yeah, I've been looking forward to this since I first heard about it.

It can't be any worse than Paranormal Activity. :-P
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That trailer is what has me hooked. Looks a lot like it has
the suspense of "Signs", and I liked that movie a lot.
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11/6/2009 3:52 PM
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11/6/2009 3:56 PM
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I'll watch pretty much anything with Milla Jovovich. She's easy on the eyes.
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I'll watch pretty much anything with Milla Jovovich. She's easy on the eyes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696

qft
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11/7/2009 8:02 PM
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Did you see it yet? I think the tapings of the psychiatric sessions are real. And a note for those of you who think aliens are your friend - well, just go see the movie, and if you think they are out for the good of mankind then you need a psychiatric evaluation yourself.

This true story has validated my belief that aliens are demonic. In once of the actual footages, the 'alien' says 'do not pray, it will do you no good' and in another part, 'I am God'. Satan has always wanted to be God, nothing has changed since the beginning of time.

If these 'things' will actually come here to openly live amongst humans, as I believe Revelation warns about, it's going to be a horrifying time for humans. I hope people will prepare themselves by developing a strong relationship with the only One who can help, Christ. It is only through the binding powers of Christ that these demons will not be able to harm you.

Excellent movie, has reinforced my desire to stay close to God and pray for those I know & love to be saved.


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Did you see it yet? I think the tapings of the psychiatric sessions are real.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 813061


Read the article again. They are poorly faked. This is what
movies do. They try to sell you reality as best they can.
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11/9/2009 1:28 PM
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So it's fake because the guy who wrote the article says so? I'm not buying that. The reason the taped footage is so bad is because that is what happens when aliens are near, they interere with electronic devices.

Send some better proof that this is faked, an article just isn't proving it to me.

Thanks
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11/9/2009 1:38 PM
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ya know, qft could be quit fuckin talkin too.

just sayin
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Did you see it yet? I think the tapings of the psychiatric sessions are real.


Read the article again. They are poorly faked. This is what
movies do. They try to sell you reality as best they can.
 Quoting: DrPostman

bsflag

I believe Milla and the director over that hack wrote yer little smear piece. What elese could one expect from frightend folk???

Did you see it yet doctor or did the reviews scare you off???chuckle


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Here you go Postman,...

This is a review form imdb.com.

"Holy. CRAP., 6 November 2009


Author: aahein from United States

This movie was genius.

I went in to this movie not understanding what I was signing up for. I knew it was "based on true events" but I mean come one. We all know what that means in the movie world. "Based on true events" horror films usually end up being less scary than completely made up because you sit there and you're like...that's dumb. They so obviously made 90% of that up. I mean they have potential, but most of them fail. Epically.

But...this movie was different. The opening was fabulous, having Milla Jovovich walk on screen and say "I'm actress Milla Jovovich and I will be portraying Dr. Abigail Tyler...*background info*...What you are about to see is extremely disturbing." (This is, by the way, the understatement of the year). It set up the premise of the film brilliantly. I think that if the film had been purely recreated footage it would have fallen down the same slippery slope to failure that so many before it has. But by mixing in interviews by the director with the real Abigail Tyler and actual (or fake actual...really it doesn't matter. The impact is the same) video and audio recordings the film makers scored big time. The recreations were creepy. The actual videos the placed next to and over top of the recreation? Those were deeply disturbing and downright terrifying. Someone earlier complained about the split screen and 'merry go round' shots, but I thought they were fabulous. I don't know, something about seeing several angles of things and seeing the real footage next to the recreated footage just made what was happening hit so much harder. And the sound!! The sound made this film. Using the real audio recordings, even when the only thing on the screen was reenactment, was just...inspired. Those sounds! I can't get them out of my head. There are just...no words.

I also just have to say that I loved the fact that they did not show the aliens. It made it infinitely more effective. In fact I think seeing aliens would have ruined the film. But not showing the aliens went back to the days of Hitchcock who showed us that the man with the ax is infinitely less terrifying than the idea of the man with the ax. This movie was very refreshing in a world where ridiculous amounts of gore and so one rule the horror scene. Gore and cheep scares can entertain us for a while but eventually just end up insulting our intelligence. But The Fourth Kind hits hard and is extremely disturbing, right to the core. Thank you film makers, for acknowledging our intelligence as viewers.

Honestly, I'd recommend this film to anyone who's looking for a truly terrifying horror film. But be warned. It's not for the faint of heart. But in all seriousness, the film was remarkably well done. Everyone in the theater sat for a good 5 minutes during the credits before we could speak or move. I adored this film, even if it looks like it is going to be leaving me without sleep for a while. Go. See it. Now. "

Your world will change,...

Mark my words.


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11/9/2009 6:40 PM
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I believe Milla and the director over that hack wrote yer little smear piece. What elese could one expect from frightend folk???
Did you see it yet doctor or did the reviews scare you off???
 Quoting: zacksavage


Have you not read what I've written on this thread? I'm
just looking for some good escapist entertainment like I've
had with so many other movies. I hope it isn't crappy like
Blair Witch though. Reviews don't scare me off. I do though
look at the IMDB ratings. I won't waste time on anything that
gets a 5.0 or below, unless MST3K has shown it.

BTW, I'm also looking forward to 2012, even though I expect
crap science to be involved. But then I loved "The Core"
too, and enjoyed how they made fun of their own science by
calling the material they made the ship out of "unobtainium".
"Even the “pussy cat” icon you proudly display has obvious sexual overtones,
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of, since childhood."
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Re: **SPOILER ALERT**"The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax**SPOILER ALERT**Quote

Have you not read what I've written on this thread? I'm
just looking for some good escapist entertainment like I've
had with so many other movies. I hope it isn't crappy like
Blair Witch though. Reviews don't scare me off. I do though look at the IMDB ratings. I won't waste time on anything thatgets a 5.0 or below, unless MST3K has shown it.

BTW, I'm also looking forward to 2012, even though I expect
crap science to be involved. But then I loved "The Core"
too, and enjoyed how they made fun of their own science by
calling the material they made the ship out of "unobtainium".
 Quoting: DrPostman


Well,...I think you may like it. I found it fascinating.

PX plays into the film. The theater goers I sat with were spellbound. The footage you claim as fake oozes with fear and emotion.

I'm with you on imdb.

As far as 2012, I will see it, but with no expectations. Looks like instead of informing the public, they went for the carnage.

Curious as to your opinion for some strange reason.


Z
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11/10/2009 9:42 AM
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hollywood is a bitch. anything to make a buck right?
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As far as 2012, I will see it, but with no expectations. Looks like instead of informing the public, they went for the carnage.
 Quoting: zacksavage


It's Hollywood. I would expect no less.


Curious as to your opinion for some strange reason.
 Quoting: zacksavage


I'll post a review on both films as soon as I see them.
"Even the “pussy cat” icon you proudly display has obvious sexual overtones,
in the since it is mocking the valued emotional need you have been deprived
of, since childhood."
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11/15/2009 5:13 AM
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I know theres lots of people who believe these aliens are peaceful as they would of destroyed us already but (there are far worse things then just destroying us( they are far more advanced then us) but if this is real not fake i have come to a conclusion about it.
the child that was take is blind

type 1 alien, nordic said to be a alien that appears to us a beautiful ppl with blond hair said to be a peaceful type of alien ,the one that(i suspect want to help us)
they have since left as they have there own problems

type 2 alien,grey,they are said to be a enslaved race working for a higher alien race

type 3 alien,these are the ones that us goverment screen there personally with highly distrubing images before letting contact happen,as 90% of people go sucidal/have heart attacks due to contact with them,they have been nicknamed demons,these are the type that ,took this girl,as she was blind

i dont know if this is fake or real,but
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11/15/2009 5:35 AM
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bullshit movie
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I'm still looking forward to the movie.
 Quoting: DrPostman

Its a good flick...but be warned,my wife who is very no nonsense and a hard sleeper and knows the movie is just a movie has been waking up at a certain time every night for more than a week. I won't say any more so as not to spoil the movie
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No one has upped any cams yet, damnit!
"Even the “pussy cat” icon you proudly display has obvious sexual overtones,
in the since it is mocking the valued emotional need you have been deprived
of, since childhood."
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11/15/2009 6:25 AM
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I saw it last night. I wasn't impressed, being of an earlier generation, I have little patience for the split screens and especially the shots where they make everything spin, especially the ones where they take an aerial view of Mila on the couch and spin it the entire time she is talking.
The "fake" footage was the only thing that really seemed possible to me. The supposedly current Dr. Tyler looked soooo bad, I couldn't figure out why they would show her. You could see the texture of the makeup on her face to make her look all grey and washed out, and her hair was all coarse and strange looking. Also, her eyes were made to look enormous and bulging. Just strange stuff.

spoiler ahead maybe? I think that the people who "sat transfixed" were just listening to the alleged UFO sighting calls they played at the end. I left when the "male walking" from Texas call sounded like a drunk guy slurring out.."I jist sarw a UFO, but I don't member nuttin else."

I was scared to go see it, but ended up disappointed. I also think that it looked way more like "The Exorcist" than I would have expected.
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11/15/2009 12:57 PM
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SPOILER DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE!!!!!!
----------------------------------------------------------​------------------------------------------------------------​------------------------------------------------------------​--------
does anyone know the rest of the text from the hypnose scene near the end of the movie ?
i ............. my will.......
wha .......what.....my ....world distorted
give....... give to .....child...oh she .......give....... give.......
child .... ,,,,,, return my ...... i am .........i ....... savior
i am .........god
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SPOILER DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE!!!!!!
----------------------------------------------------------​------------------------------------------------------------​------------------------------------------------------------​--------
does anyone know the rest of the text from the hypnose scene near the end of the movie ?
i ............. my will.......
wha .......what.....my ....world distorted
give....... give to .....child...oh she .......give....... give.......
child .... ,,,,,, return my ...... i am .........i ....... savior
i am .........god
 Quoting: MrD 818860


Who would know??

That scene/disclosure is intriguing to say the least.

Good luck.


Z
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11/15/2009 1:05 PM
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What do you expect from predictive programming? burnit abduct
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11/15/2009 1:08 PM
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[link to io9.com]

Alien abduction flick The Fourth Kind bills itself as containing "actual footage" from case histories. But this footage is so poorly faked that it insults the audience's intelligence. So why are people still calling this movie scary? Spoilers ahead.

The movie has an incredibly terrifying premise. Hundreds of people have gone missing from the tiny, isolated town of Nome, Alaska since the 1960s. These missing persons cases have never been solved. But then a psychiatrist named Abigail Tyler starts investigating a rash of sleep disorders in Nome, and discovers that her patients are all having the same visions of white owls who interrupt their dreams. And when she hypnotizes one of her patients to find out more about this "owl," he is reduced to abject terror and then flees her office to kill his family and himself. Another patient, when hypnotized, starts screaming in ancient Sumerian and starts levitating.

Eventually Tyler realizes the people of Nome are being abducted by aliens, and she has been too. Set her discoveries against the tragic backdrop of her husband's recent, violent death (by aliens?) beside her in bed, and you've got a mega-spooky idea. Plus, there is actual documentary footage from the "real life" Tyler's sessions with these patients. And she even manages to record herself being abducted by aliens who scream at her in Sumerian.

Having grown up utterly terrified by the alien abduction scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I understand why The Fourth Kind sounds scary. Plus it promised to be a pseudo-documentary, showing us never-before-seen footage of people who have evidence that they've been stolen from their beds at night by hostile aliens. Sealing the deal was a star turn by Milla Jovovich, who makes every action movie more awesome.

But the movie stumbled out of the gate by hanging most of its fear power on a fundamental dishonesty. There is no "archival footage." There are no "actual case studies." Instead, we get badly-acted, blatantly fake documentary footage which fuzzes out whenever anything alien happens. There is some interesting editing, where filmmaker Olatunde Osunsanmi shows the fake footage split-screened alongside a reenactment of the fake footage and you feel like you're either watching 24 or some kind of weird art-school critique of documentary realism. Unfortunately the ashen fake/real Tyler is such a bad actress, and her CGI-widened eyes so "alien," that you wind up with the sense that Osunsanmi and crew thought audiences for this movie would be so monumentally stupid that they would fall for anything.

I'm not against fake documentaries. I loved Paranormal Activity, which was effective because the actors seemed so effortlessly real. Nothing felt stagey or artificial about that movie's "documentary" evidence.

What pushes Fourth Kind from the merely bad into the actually insulting was the filmmakers' insistence that the documentary evidence was real. Actors from the "documentary" portions of the movie are uncredited, and many media outlets are still reporting that the footage is real. There was even an ill-fated Web campaign to create false professional credentials and publications for Abigail Tyler, but after investigative reporter Kyle Hopkins revealed them as fakes they were taken down. Here's what Hopkins wrote:

Try Googling "Abigail Tyler" and "Alaska." You'll get a link to a convincingly boring Web site called the "Alaska Psychiatry Journal" - complete with a biography of a psychologist by that name who researched sleep behavior in Nome. Except the site is suspiciously vacant, mostly a collection of articles on sleep studies with no home page or contact information.

Another site, www.alaskanewsarchive.com, features a story from the Nome Nugget about Tyler moving to Nome for research. The problem? The story is credited to Nugget editor and publisher Nancy McGuire, who says it's baloney and she never wrote it.Both the news site and the medical journal site were created just last month, according to domain-name research sites. Ron Adler is CEO and director of the Alaska Psychiatric Institute. Denise Dillard is president of the Alaska Psychological Association. They said this week they've never heard of the Alaska Psychiatry Journal, or of Abigail Tyler.

So basically the movie's fakery was so badly done that people involved with the movie didn't even bother to create a convincing "Abigail Tyler" website that they could maintain once the movie came out.

What I'm saying is that Fourth Kind reeks of laziness. Despite having a great concept, it fails at every turn to make that concept convincing or menacing. And this lackluster mood permeates all aspects of the film - not just the poorly-executed hoax gimmick at its heart.

There are three competing, poorly-integrated stories vying for your attention in this movie.

First, there's the alien abduction story, and the mystery around what the aliens are doing, which is never solved. All we know is that the aliens are scary, and that they steal people out of their beds. We never understand why anybody would want to be hypnotized by Tyler and Co. after the first few people she hypnotizes kill themselves or get their backs broken when aliens possess them and distort their bodies. Even though Tyler has two credible witnesses to every single hypnosis session, including one that involves alien possession and levitation, those credible witnesses mysteriously never corroborate her story. So we see her screaming and crying when police arrive to arrest her for breaking her patient's back, and neither of her credible friends comes forward to say, "Actually I was there, I am a licensed whatever, and this guy broke his own back while having some kind of alien-induced seizure."

Second, there is the mystery of how Tyler's husband died. She remembers him being murdered by an intruder, and for most of the movie her psychiatrist friend is trying to hypnotize her so she can remember the intruder's face. But then it turns out that actually her husband shot himself, and she hallucinated the murder. And everybody, including her friend, knew this all along. But nobody tried to tell her. So we've got this hallucinating, crazed lady who is being allowed to hypnotize people? And who still has custody of her kids, even though her son is clearly scared of her? By the time the aliens "abduct" her daughter during a fuzzed-out documentary moment, you are ready for her to be arrested and put in a psychiatric hospital.

Finally, there's a whole "chariot of the gods" idea that's sort of flung into the story as if we weren't already up to our eyeballs in disbelief we couldn't suspend even if we wanted to. The aliens speak in ancient Sumerian, which a professor is inexplicably able to understand, despite the fact that the only access to Sumerian he has are from ancient texts. Nobody knows how the language would have been pronounced. Still, he figures out that the aliens are yelling things like "I am god," and using the word "destroyed" a lot. We also don't understand why they're still speaking an ancient language - you'd think by now they would try speaking English since they've been abducting Alaskans since before Sarah Palin was born.

So we're left with an absolute mess of crappily-done documentary footage, inexplicable aliens who act more like demons than scifi creatures, and a main character (Tyler) who seems like a complete crazy lady. Milla Jovovich still manages to shine, though it's hard when she has lines like, "My baby! They stole my baby!"

By the end of The Fourth Kind, you'll feel swindled - and not in the happy, they-fooled-me way. I can only assume that people who were scared by this movie, or even vaguely intrigued by it, were responding more to the movie's concept rather than its execution. There were a lot of ways Osunsanmi could have taken this movie to salvage it. He could have focused on making the documentary hoax convincing by creating believable footage and a smarter online presence. Or he could have pushed the movie over into the realm of Weekly World News camp, winking at the audience while also delivering some chills. Instead, he wrote and directed a movie whose earnestness is laughable - and whose "reality" segments feel more staged than Jon and Kate Plus Eight.

 Quoting: DrPostman


OP, putting "The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax in the subject of this post is a spoiler in itself. Hate to break it to ya.
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11/15/2009 1:17 PM
Re: **SPOILER ALERT**"The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax**SPOILER ALERT**Quote

I know its 95% just like all the rest a fake, am wondering in a cloverfield type of way but i am still wondering wtf is the text and words etc storywise in that scene.
did they say they destroy her baby ? and then said they was god our savior ?
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11/15/2009 1:22 PM
Re: **SPOILER ALERT**"The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax**SPOILER ALERT**Quote

The movie will probably suck as hard as Paranormal Activity, but at least it has Milla Jovovich...


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11/15/2009 1:26 PM
Re: **SPOILER ALERT**"The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax**SPOILER ALERT**Quote

The movie will probably suck as hard as Paranormal Activity, but at least it has Milla Jovovich...


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It did not suck MO,...I thought PA was over-hyped,...but then,...

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Re: **SPOILER ALERT**"The Fourth Kind" Is A Hoax**SPOILER ALERT**Quote

The movie will probably suck as hard as Paranormal Activity, but at least it has Milla Jovovich...


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 Quoting: Mister Obvious


the movie isn't that bad. i have to agree with you on paranormal activity. That was horrible.
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