HEALTHCARE H.R.3962

It would seem everyone is on board with taking the healthcare
HR 3962



Very interesting...


[link to fleming.house.gov]

Yesterday on Capitol hill...


Please follow up with the bill they are voting on=we are at that point

I know many are discouraged but now we must rally our strength and let CONgress know...they are expecting the masses to give up-that is what they know...are they right???

Are we wasting time if we do not accept defeat???








Last Edited by ShadowDancer on 11/06/2009 06:59 PM

so if I had started the thread as Allah akbar...


okey dokey



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NEVERMIND

I've sent letters to my Federal representatives:

[link to www.congress.org]

[link to www.congress.org]



Excellent

we will need many to stop these Cretans




so many millionaires up there as they crash the whole banana boat

I've emailed my Representative as well, can't say I believe it will matter, doesn't seem like there is much to threaten them here in Illinois with - our containers of votes disappear every election...only to show up again like magic the next morning!

Agreed

speak out

We do not consent

do the best one can


prepare for the cold brutal winter-if it does not come great and if it does-one does the best they can

be well informed-

Does anyone know when this thing is going to be voted on? I keep hearing today (Saturday, 11-7-09)?

this weekend is what I here-last I heard-

most current at this time-amendments are not included

Are people getting burned out.
I called my rep but he is a repub and he has always been opposed. which is a good thing.

I think most have given up as no matter how many stand up or protest or write letters-they are not listening and are NOT IMPACTED by the opinion of the masses

they are hell bent on NANNY world and that is it.

now live on c-span [link to www.c-span.org]

who is that Sanchez lady from California? what a ditz!

from my post elsewhere


It is clear to me after 30+ years in the medical field as a professional there is a problem. However, I would suggest by letting big PHARMA(sorcery) and big insurance industry and lobbyists to write the bill that the senators and representatives cannot read nor even understand(many of them are members of the Bar) is egregious and smacks of corruption and collusion.

I was in student govt years ago-if I did not read a bill(etc) then I HAD NO BUSINESS VOTING ON IT...nor voting more than once, nor stuffing the ballot box-see that is unethical


Many times it is illegal...I know that point is lost on desperate people but this IS where the pedal hits the metal...

It is wholly ignorant an malicious to suggest I want many to die as I have worked hard for decades helping needy people recover or survive...even enhance anothers life...

To think I want to see more used as guinea pigs or lab rats as they do to our Veterans is egregious to my soul.

To think that anothers' suffering makes my day(it is more work) is laughable

To actually see so many who are being sold a vaccine specifically created to sterilize them and cause mass fatalities, to young and old alike, is so out of the park as to make one who insults others fighting for your rights and healthcare, makes others who do appear as an agent provocateurs

I am sure that seems ridiculous...but if you could see 30 years of medical care at clinics, offices, trauma centers, imaging facilities, labs, and hospitals private, public and GOVT RUN...VA, Native Americans...you would feel truly stupid right now.

I want change that is positive and not worst

I want to see their great improvements in areas like the Veterans hospital...with infested patients and bugs infesting the wall coverings...and gangrene in patients...if that is the care you want why have insurance that is forced and has no competitors???

That is what they had at Walter Reed and KC and many others...that is govt run-the shortages, the outsourcing of common procedures...how is that going to provide jobs and to cut costs-it does not...it allows several channels to steal more $$$$$$$$$$$ for much less service

It is why Nixon a big hater on public health care was turned to HMOs

He was shown how $$$$$$$$$$$ could be made with LESS CARE...he was a bit of a eugenicist...

and so HMO and managed care came in with Kaiser...and they had several messes to deal with-inadequate care, over worked doctors, mismanaged cases...I know...I worked there at about 10 Kaisers in a few different states...lost records...missing doctors, a filing system from hell...misplaced patient files...and studies...oh I could go on and on...

Oh yes, I am so mean I want you to not have health care


Get real and grow up-my whole life has been spent helping people unable or unwilling to HELP THEMSELVES


If you think I have had an easy time of it with all the obese people around...wrecking my back and my neck to move them...think again...the tip of the iceberg...and I am one of the really good ones...reading the permission slip to those who cannot while others shove pens in their face and demand signing...as they writhe in pain

That is my forte-helping ones such as yourselves

I have never worked for PHARMA

I have never worked for insurance agencies

I have never worked for lobbyists

I have always worked for my patients and beyond what most will do.

I have always been a strong patient advocate including the infirmed, the mentally ill, the children, and the mentally impaired...regardless of the heaps I must wade through to do it-

like trying to save a drowning person...sometimes the saving seems overly rough...but one survives...if I attempted to do it the way the drowning person believes...no one will survive and herein I have greater expertise

Better read the bill or at least focus on areas the "experts" have pointed out or take issue with

consider the possibility...they might have greater insight instead of thinking the most asinine that all the insured just want the poor to die

That is what we are trying to PREVENT-get a clue or die stupid



I am sick to see so many being led like lemmings are led to the cliff and over

Sick...so many actually buying that the politicians want what is good for them and the neighbors are being selfish

Are so many such simpletons???

We are surely doomed if this is the hope of the future...surely soylent green was a golf club...

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Health Insurance News had this to say about other kinds of mandates the government has in mind--specifically about vaccines.

"The Federal Government's proposed mandatory health insurance will mean mandatory vaccinations/immunizations. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) says that for anyone who refuses to keep up-to-date vaccinations, under the new health reform, you will not be able to obtain any health care you may need until immunizations are current [the same kind of tactic used to force public school children into having immunizations as a condition of enrollment].

It goes against Nuremberg Codes as well...no forced medical treatment or injections-it is INVASIVE-invades beyond my skin barrier

THIS IS GOING AGAINST LONG STANDING LAWS OF NON MANDATORY VACCINATIONS FOR RELIGIOUS AND PHILOSOPHICAL REASONS.

THE STATE IS TAKING OVER.



this must be stopped or many will die...that is a given



genocide is genocide

whether elderly or of another race...


smallpox blankets are very real and so are the body bags they are sending to Natives in Canada...the natives have CLAIM TO THE LAND LEGALLY AND THIS IS WHY SO MANY THE WORLD OVER ARE KILLED to steal their homelands


This is the truth.

VACCINE WARNING - PANDEMIC WARNING
by Ken Welch in Houston
November 5, 2009


After working with Reversed Speech on government officials for more than ten years I can tell you that there is indeed a long-running plan to dissolve the Federal government and remake the world into what you might call a global corporate feudalism. This plan is coming to its climax right now. Although the final moves have been postponed several times, all indications are that there can be no more delays, and a global killer pandemic is the first step in that plan.

You are getting a lot of scare stories from the media (and the Pentagon’s billion dollar Internet propaganda machine) about the Swine Flu. But the swine flu is a joke, and almost everyone knows it. The real pandemic is still seven to ten weeks away.

We’ve recently learned the secret behind the Swine Flu Vaccine that is being pushed so strongly on the public. While the vaccine may make you sick, its real purpose is to greatly increase the fast-kill mechanism of the pandemic still to come. Worse yet, the vaccine is being used to target specific groups of people who are simply not welcome in our brave new world.

In the USA these include Blacks, American Indians, and Baby Boomers.



Background

I first picked up on this ten years ago. I was intensely interested in Chemtrails, those bizarre streaks in the sky that first appeared in the week following Pearl Harbor Day, 1998. They were linked to a banned pesticide, Ethylene Dibromide, right off the bat. Most of the later stories you’ve read about chemtrails have been designed to draw you away from this initial identification. Throughout 1999 I used RS to eavesdrop on Washington. I got what I wanted, but it seemed of no value. I learned that the chemtrail operation was part of a billion dollar CIA-run program called Starwars. No, it has nothing to do with space. It’s named for the first Starwars film which, if you’ll think back, featured a monstrous weapon aimed at an entire planet.

I also found that the Starwars program had a second component. This involved CREATING a disease, and that something about this process involved BIRDS. Unfortunately, this information made no sense. Remember, this was the time of Y2K. A lot of things didn't’t make sense then. In this case, how would dosing people with the world’s nastiest pesticide be related to a killer influenza, and what was the disease to be used for? And why?

That year was also odd because a propaganda campaign designed to convince everyone that the world was overpopulated kicked into high gear. You still run across it today, but it was intense when it first started. The result is that most Americans believe that they are simply rubbing shoulders with too many people. Excepting four or five of our largest cities, the reality is that you need only drive for 20 minutes beyond the edge of your town, and you will see nothing but nearly empty land. Overpopulation is a myth designed to make you feel better in a post-pandemic world.

I watched that year as government money financed three different expeditions to find 1918 burial sites where frozen samples of killer virus might be found and retrieved. I also learned that, although there are good indications this virus was introduced in injections given to Europe-bound U.S. troops at Ft. Riley, Kansas, the genetic origins of what was soon called Spanish Flu suggest that it’s genetic source involved birds – either in the wild or in a vaccine laboratory.

It wasn't until 2004 that I understood why the "illuminati" were interested in creating a killer pandemic. That was the year I ran across an article in a magazine devoted to real estate that talked about the massive shift of wealth that would be happening in the future. The author was writing about the retirement of the Baby Boomers. Later I would learn that this would be the greatest financial threat our western governments have ever faced.

The hunt for the 1918 virus was public knowledge, as was the failure to find any living samples. Also made public was the commitment on the part of CDC and others to find some other way to recreate the virus since the search for the original had failed. It wasn’t too much later that one of those attempts scared the medical community half to death. A Chinese laboratory, working under contract to recreate the virus by working backward from current bird flu allowed their creation to escape. Rather than give this virus a proper scientific designation, it’s genetic origin was hidden by calling it SARS, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome.

Anyone who knew the symptoms of the 1918 pandemic would have recognized SARS immediately as a virtual clone of the 1918 virus. In fact, virtually everything we know about how to protect people from pandemic influenza (which is much more than the government or media will tell you) was learned in the SARS outbreak. But SARS had a significant flaw. It was not seriously contagious until after the victim was already showing signs of illness. Intercepting people with symptoms stopped it from spreading. The real pandemic influenza is contagious before symptoms appear, which is why it will spread like wildfire once it is released on the public. But it will kill in exactly the same way.

As reported in normal news channels, the 1918 killer flu was in fact rebuilt from scratch using the latest gene technology, made to match viral DNA that was brought back from the original expeditions. In a civilized world this would be a capital offense. But that is a world that mankind has yet to create.

In the meantime, governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars preparing for the moment that the “Bird Flu” is finally released. Do you think they would do this based on a rumor or perhaps a psychic reading?

All that money has been spent in preparing for the “continuity” of government, the control of civilian populations, and the methods for dealing with millions of dead or dying civilians in the most efficient and cost effective manner. How much did they spend on protecting or saving you? Not a dime.

The public is still being told that everything will be fine if they just make sure their kids wash their hands.

Now, you may be wondering how the various governments expect their countries to keep functioning in the aftermath of an engineered pandemic that could take out a huge percentage of the workforce. Actually that problem has been solved.

If you will think back to 1999, you'll realize that was the time that Washington began it's open-door policy for illegal aliens. Likewise for Europe, and in both cases entirely against the wishes of their citizens.


So we now have an extra 20-25 million "illegals," all of whom have a lifetime of experience in societies where you don't fight city hall. Although six or eight million may lose their lives in the Pandemic, there will be plenty left over to answer the need for labor.



They will be there to take the jobs, buy the empty houses and, in return for legalization, pay the taxes. No problemo, amigo!




The REAL Pandemic Is On It's Way

Our Project (and this website) was created three years ago to track and expose repeated attempts to use a false-flag nuclear weapon to trigger the destruction of Iran and the theft of it’s vast oil reserves. T

his plan is code-named GAMBIT, and the latest version is running right now. Gambit has failed many times, much to the outrage of the Oil Cartel that conceived it. Each time it has failed, the date for the killer pandemic has had to be postponed as well. You can see an actual example in the report on this page:

[link to www.ken-welch.com]

Just scroll down to the first reversed-speech segment, which features George Bush absolutely furious because a 2007 attempt to set off a nuke in southeast Texas has failed.

Note that he says the failure will require another billion dollars for Starwars, the chemtrail/pandemic project that now must wait another year before it can be concluded.

The current version of Gambit involves a nuclear tipped missile aimed at some sparsely populated area in Israel. Although we don’t know the date, we do know that the White House and Downing Street have been told repeatedly that this is Gambit’s last chance. It cannot be recycled and tried again.

Why have Obama, Gordon Brown and others been told that this is the last chance for Gambit? Because the “Bird Flu” Pandemic simply cannot be postponed for another year.


Once it begins, large scale military operations will become impossible, and the U.S. will need it’s military here at home, perhaps for a very long time.


Ready to go at least three years ago, the pandemic has been postponed each time a previous Gambit attempt failed. Everyone is being told that this is not going to happen this year.

Postponements have been a nuisance for our Illuminati masters, because each time has meant another billion dollars for the chemtrail program in North America, and a similar amount in Europe.

Chemtrails and the Pandemic are two parts of the same operation.

We didn't understand why until we learned that pesticide poisoning distorts hormonal functions, and reduces adrenal availability.

The invisible part of chemtrails, the pesticide Ethylene Dibromide that falls to earth immediately and blows through your neighborhood, is reducing your ability to fight off the Cytokine Storm, the fast-kill mechanism of the recently recreated 1918 virus.

As I’ve told our newsletter readers many times, the Pandemic has nothing to do with imaginary overpopulation, Satanic goals, or any other strangeness. It’s strictly about money.

All the welfare states, including Russia, are going broke. In the U.S. retiring Baby Boomers are about to suck away the government’s last penny.

Unless something is done, the Illuminati-run North American Union designed to replace the current circuses in Washington and Ottawa will quickly bleed to death if it must pick up the same welfare burden.

Socialism has only one answer for problems like this: mass murder. And it simply can’t be put off any longer.

There is a word we are finding quite often now in reversed speech from Washington and London: DECEMBER. It’s always there, like the uninvited guest lurking in the corner of the room.

When we are following current plans as they appear in the reversed speech, nothing seems to go past the next six weeks or so, and the thoughts trail off as the word DECEMBER appears again.

Like a dark cloud on the horizon. It seems to be something so terrible that no one wants to think about it directly.

All my experience with reversed speech, and ten years of tracking the chemtrail/pandemic conspiracy, tells me that middle or late December is the current target for the release of the recreated 1918 virus.

You will be told that swine flu has made it into bird populations and magically mutated create a deadly, rapidly spreading form of Bird Flu.

There will be no truth to this at all. The virus they will release is the recreated 1918 virus, already in many bio labs, and perhaps boosted a bit from the original 1918 variety in terms of lethality.

You are being given a psychological practice run for this scenario right now, with scary but exaggerated stories from Ukraine.

The world will be told that there are no vaccines that can touch it. It will spread slowly at first, but by mid January it will be sweeping the globe. Make no mistake. This is the one I’ve been warning about, and you will literally see bodies on the sidewalk if the records from 1918 are to be believed.




Swine Flu Vaccine A Deadly Trap

In comic contrast, the swine flu is a joke, and at least half the world knows it. Even its official designation is a joke.

The original 1918 virus is H1N1. This new bug, which does not appear to be natural in any way, would have some other number if the murderous clowns at the CDC were even remotely honest.

A lot of very sharp people have been looking at the swine flu and swine flu vaccine program, but they don’t know the larger picture.

The puzzle they cannot solve is why western governments are so adamant about getting people to actually take the shots.

Most of us understand that these big vaccine campaigns are simply money-making programs for Big Pharma, third in the pantheon of corporate players that own and operate virtually all western governments. But does it make sense this time?

After all, these vaccines are already paid for. They could be dumped in a landfill and the manufacturers wouldn’t care at all.

It’s virtually impossible that anyone could actually benefit from the swine flu vaccine, especially with the nasty components included in the batches for the general public. (Big scandal in Europe now about VIP’s getting clean batches instead.) So why does “Obama” want you injected?

Two years ago, when anti-flu products were designated for different age groups (workers, elderly, young people) the implications were clear. Remember this is a welfare-driven emergency.

The secret purpose of the swine flu vaccine is not obvious until you fully understand what the vaccine does. And you must combine that information with the understanding that the real Pandemic is just around the corner.

I don’t want to seem omniscient here, so I’ll have to confess the real secret of the swine flu vaccine just came across my desk on Wednesday. Someone sent me a couple paragraphs attributed to Dr. Russell Blaylock, the MD that produces the Blaylock Wellness Report, a subscription newsletter. Here’s the paragraph that says it all:



No one should take the swine flu vaccine – it is one of the most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene MF-59 which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.

This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease).

This [swine flu] virus kills by causing a cytokine storm, which means that it causes the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have weakened immune systems.)

This vaccine is a very powerful immune stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much greater.


What Dr. Blaylock is saying, is that the vaccine will greatly boost the Cytokine Storm, increasing the chance that people will die from the silly swine flu virus before the vaccine can kill it off.

He doesn't realize that a disease with twenty times the Cytokine effect is just around the corner.

In our newsletters I’ve been talking about the Cytokine Storm for almost three years. It is the quick-kill factor in the original 1918 virus that killed several hundred million people around the globe.

In simple terms it is a form of rapid inflammation, similar to an allergic reaction to the toxins produced by the virus as it multiplies in your gut.

The inflammation takes place in the lungs, and if it is too strong, or lasts too long, it will kill you. Often within a single day. A popular saying in 1918 and 1919 was, "Healthy in the morning, dead by nightfall."

Populations of all western nations practicing socialized welfare systems have already had their ability to shut down the Cytokine Storm greatly impaired by six to ten years of chemtrail spraying.

Now, if the part of your immune system that produces the Cytokine Storm is put on hyperdrive by the swine flu shot, when the real H1N1 virus comes along in December or January, your chances of survival are going to be very poor.

No wonder Homeland Security has spent thousands of man-hours trying to locate sites for mass burials! Those folks are not stupid, and they know what is coming. You, on the other hand, are assumed to be both stupid and powerless.

LINKS: Infowars Global Research Socioecohistory Blog.





Who Is Being Targeted For Death?

I’ve told you all along the Baby Boomers are the primary target. The financial disaster caused by their retirement has been known for twenty years or more via simple arithmetic. But the rest of the story is even uglier.

As you know, the big news on the vaccine front is that shipments have been delayed and, although every state has received some, supplies are limited.

This has been beautifully orchestrated to produce a specific result. Limited supply means that specific groups can be selectively targeted for death.

Last week a man I know personally visited his doctor. This man is a good Pharma slave – he visits an MD regularly and does whatever he is told.

He went for a quick check-up and his seasonal flu shot (yuck!), which he got with no problem. Naturally, he also asked about getting a swine flu shot. He was told the same thing that others around the country were being told.

Because of “limited availability” the only people who could get swine flu shots at that time, whether paid or for free, were Blacks and American Indians.

I checked around and found that other people had been told the same thing.

Did I tell you this is a Welfare-driven emergency? Although grossly unfair, it appears that our masters have determined that Blacks and Indians are the “welfare classes” in our society, and their numbers must be drastically reduced.

Canada is marching to the same drummer. Benevolent Canadian functionaries have made sure to send the first batches of swine flu vaccine, along with unusually generous supplies of body bags to Canada’s Indian nations.

Just off the top of my head, I'd say that Canada is expecting the vaccine to produce something other than the lifesaving effect being advertised!

Do you remember the stories of blankets laden with Smallpox given to Indian tribes in the 1800s? Yes, it's same thing all over again. Sure it’s genocide, but in the chaos to come you are not supposed to notice.

Just in case you do notice a post-pandemic statistical strangeness, the Pentagon’s domestic propaganda teams are already working on it.

The same people responsible for about 80 per cent of the goofiness you see on the web have begun recirculating old stories about diseases created to attack specific ethnic groups.

At least two e-mails on this topic specifically using the term “genocide” have crossed my desk this week.

This is a typical tactic.

If you should discover later that deaths among the Indian Nations or African Americans are disproportionately high, then you have a wild goose story already prepared to lead you away from the fact that these people were selected for death in their own doctor’s office.




Growing Resistance Not What You Think

There is a growing sense of resistance in this country. We certainly see it, loud and clear, in regard to the swine flu vaccine program. Guess what? I’ve tracked about a third of the anti-vaccine material back to known Pentagon propaganda mills.

Why would they do this? Two reasons. They are very strong right now on fostering disgust and rebellion against the Obama administration.

They apparently feel this will make their job much easier down the road, when it is time to dissolve the central government in Washington, and “white hat” generals help to put in the new one.

They also want to make sure there is enough anti-vaccine hysteria on the Internet that fact-based warnings like this one, or Dr. Blaylock's simply can't be heard.

However, just to show how difficult it must be inside what Orwell would have called the Ministry Of Truth, other offices inside this massive operation must churn out Swine Flu hysteria pieces at the same time.

Naturally, this is putting the gullible in a serious dilemma: Get the shot that allegedly will kill me tomorrow, or risk the flu which might might kill me next week. To get the flavor of all this, check out this popular propaganda outlet to see what I mean. You'll see why this article will never be referenced there.

We've built up a good store of remedies and other Pandemic information in our private archives; stuff that no one else has.

Due to the nearness of the Starwars "Death Star" I'm working as fast as I can to get all that material out and into public view. Save your spare cash and skip the Christmas presents, because you will be wanting to use that money to protect yourself and your family.

Good luck to us all,

KEN WELCH
Houston

this would all be bad enough...Opec continuously driving up vital energy cost, to add to their depleted revenue funds from loss of oil demand across the globe..year after year . global meltdown actually began by year 2005 2006 .. By year 2003, salaries were not able keep up with inflated housing markets...and the lopsided economic mess was the real red flag, plus opec oil price increase since 2000, added to what was coming on down the economic pipe line...this same mess got its same start, the very same way, by the late 1970s which brought the hard recession by early 1980s which started in 1970s and went forward... All of the same companies failed then, an in identical order, that fail now and in the same order...long term hardship causes illness and death. without even a pandemic.. There are many ways to thin down a given population of age groups, without use of vaccines..

This asshole voted for HEALTHCARE THE ONLY REPUBLICAN TO CROSS OVER

CAO, Anh “Joseph” Quang, a Representative from Louisiana; born in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam; March 13, 1967; graduated from Jersey Village High School; B. S., Baylor University, Waco, Tex., 1990; M. A. Fordham University, Bronx, N. Y., 1995; J. D., Loyola University, New Orleans, La., 2000; teacher; lobbyist; lawyer, private practice; unsuccessful candidate for election to Louisiana state house of representatives, 2007; elected as a Republican to the One Hundred Eleventh Congress (January 3, 2009–present).

THIS ASSHOLE VOTED FOR OMNIBUS ALSO: WHO IS THIS COMMUNIST

2/25/09 Vote 86: H R 1105: Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 YES

well....it would seem if he is the only one he is a plant...they work the group thing quite well and then drop the bomb on his colleague


personally anyone who voted for it without reading it and OBVIOUSLY NOT UNDERSTANDING it adds credibility to allegations made by many...


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everyone should read it-egregious and needs to apply to CONgress whatever is decided upon...they ARE NOT ROYALTY-THEY ARE PUBLIC PEOPLE

time to have some transparency and get many out who use congress as their personal agenda staging...with insider info and PORTFOLIOS making many of them millionaires, over 260 of them are MILLIONAIRES


when one knows the drug testing law is upcoming and buys all kinds of stock....becoming filthy rich...or tamiflu...when one knows that stocks will rise soon and buys...what is that called...Martha Stewart went to prison for it I believe


When barry bought Baxter stock-when was that....it is insider trading imho...they are insiders are they not???


It is seriously dirty no matter what


Time to clean house and almost all of it needs to go to the dump...

we cannot afford to be gullible-but wield the power of the people to reign in the corruption and dispose of it

Costs will increase around 24% when RED tape of govt kicks in....


24% is SIGNIFICANT FOLKS


I am familiar with much of the info in the above video and can confirm most of it by additional sources...I like this video because it is put together well. Many facts few KNOW but need to know to change the racketeering AMA,or ABA or several other "licensing groups"...lowering the quality of care several times over in 100 yrs...people need to stop believing the lies.

It is going to be a real MESS folks and I am not joking

A health commissioner will dictate what YOU WILL BE ALLOWED OR GIVEN IN CARE OR RESTRICTIONS IN CARE REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK OR YOUR DOCTOR THINKS.

The health commissioner will decide and there WILL BE NO REVIEW. The other Bill HR 3961 is for medicare and they claim they will cut costs.

This opinion by this "person" in this position will be

A B S O L U T E


N O R E V I E W


even at the Veterans they have review-they are obviously going to MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC ON THEIR PLANS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED THIS....


once they decide it is over-no other channel or person to take it up with...


your DNA and blood will be owned by corporate entities adn they will be controlled by AI more and more

your value tied to what you can access in the system

Christopher Lambert was in a movie called "Fortress"


WATCH IT....that is what they have planned in more ways than you can possibly imagine...




TESTING OF MEDS...and experimental procedures...




most do not have a clue...


In one breath they state the costs are rising and cannot be handled...and numbers increasing...but suddenly in 3961 they claim they will REDUCE COSTS....

IMPOSSIBLE-with greater govt involvement and taxations...and out of pocket...and many will be paying "taxes" on this-directly fornicating with Big bother in your banking accts...and paying several more years until ANY BENEFITS ARE REALIZED IMHO




UNLESS




They are already telling doctors to not be so extreme in their interpretation of "do no harm" of the Hippocratic oath...to let more slide and not make such a big deal of it...(their health TSAR/Czar, co authored eugenicist wetdream book...."ecoscience")

Oh and just to make sure it is very clear...Oregon has already started passing Euthanasia laws...so WHO WOULD OF THOUGHT?


I still say it will screw more than it helps BY FAR and criminalize many without the means to pay...or cover an additional cost

A poor family of 4-I mean poor...will be paying 15000 a year for what they will be REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE OR SUFFER PENALTIES AND OR JAILTIME



Jailtime = Obama corps or military service or fema CIVILIAN LABOR CAMPS...like prison-you will be given your 4 dollars a day and fed on their diet and take their Mengele care...imho


I could be M.A.D.

or I could be correct-I saw what happened at KC VA and it was in better shape by far than Walter Reed and many others...

it will BE FAR WORST imho with NO review allowed...some unknown suit will decide what you get or do not get based on your VALUE-what YOU CONTRIBUTE...and all extra costs will be pulled from your acct-or if you get a benefit you were not to receive-oops it will come out of your acct or you will be penalized....slaves...one and all...

Medical equipment will go the route of city hospitals struggling to jerry rig the pieces from dinosaurs to have equipment-


imaging capabilities will decrease


appt times will INCREASE-sometimes to yrs to get treatment...even if it is dangerous to wait...that is the truth.


surgeries will be postponed and one will wait extremely long times...

I am sure we will end up like canada...and with capabilities at a bare minimum and costs will go up with less competition...


I know many hospitals public or private...or govt run...that have been struggling for at least 10 yrs

I know even 5 yrs back on common exams they were going to outsource them at the VA...seriously...HSA was also busy buying up hospitals going to a FOR PROFIT mode...like the Kaiser Permanente's of old...turning more profit and much less care and far less complete care...as they strip the accts of the sinking and barely hanging on...


all resources for them...




all the elderly who supplied the resources for the last 50-100 yrs will be treated like animals put down


imho this is true...

RED tape




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shortages of NHS dentists so they are forced to do their own dentistry...great...

RED tape

wait in line for 6 months or 16...


wait for surgeries or suffer after your heart attack....and take your pain meds


sadly in the bill it states tehy can give meds or services that makes dying easier basically-as long as it is not purposeful

many meds will kill you and if that happens...oops...well, great and we will not know how the doctor is...we could be going to a quack and we will be forced to go to whomever unless you are an insider and know which doctors are any good...

too crowded neonatal units and you are about to deliver...oooops...no options...

what a sham and there will be no wow unless it is when the stupid figure it out...the inevitability of mortality

this is how we are represented


legislators refusing to read legislation claiming they can engineer health care when they cannot even read the damned bill and they try to race through it with the people as though we are not worth anything



Disgusting-Pathetic as I have had to read long bills and been in govt long ago...and in medical...read a frigging manual...for algorithms and performance on set up exams...and follow patient needs with it-It is sickening


They are lazy and want to shove this RFID expanded medical informational awareness-TOTAL to the next level with RFID and all the systems tied in

That is a big part of this crap-read it and see....MILLIONS PUMPED INTO it and then they will suggest the medical, legal, political, financial all are included on there and they will include philosophical groups or religion...YOU CAN BET ON IT





Last Edited by ShadowDancer on 11/08/2009 12:21 PM