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Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!)
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The Chef
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11/6/2009 7:24 PM
Report abusive post | Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!)
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Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
[link to republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
11/6/2009 7:26 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Essentially, "Buy Health Insurance, or Die".
This country's swirling down the shithole. |
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???
User ID: 812253
11/6/2009 7:28 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Patriotic black lady dared to break the law and challenge racist practices of sitting "in the back of the bus" Cowardly Republicans will never dare to do what is right and let a system of justice and fairness to determine the will of the people Instead they hide behind their keyboards and spread hate speech day and night. |
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mathetes
User ID: 793782
11/6/2009 7:29 PM
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 for beating me to the gate
lol
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
John Quincy Adams |
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The Chef
User ID: 809576
11/6/2009 7:30 PM
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It makes you wonder what will be mandated next? |
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mr. rogers neighbor
User ID: 750420
11/6/2009 7:30 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
how come Pukelosi never gets to splain
herself on the Sunday talk shows?
you could sell tickets for this interview. |
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The Chef
User ID: 809576
11/6/2009 7:31 PM
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for beating me to the gate
lol
I don't post that much anymore but I couldn't help myself it's just so ridiculous lol |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 7:31 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Folks, they can pass anything they want because nobody pays attention, nobody really knows.
By the time they realize it, it will already be law. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810929
11/6/2009 7:32 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
It makes you wonder what will be mandated next? Quoting: The Chef
Anything they fucking want! There's no such thing as individual rights in the USA. It's all on the whim of the govt now. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 669148
11/6/2009 7:32 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
and if you already have good insurance as part of your retirement, you will have to pay taxes on it. Oh, wait, they want us seniors to just die. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 7:35 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
So, please forgive me if I am wrong, but the median income in the usa is what, 40$ a year/person?
How many people are there in the US that make less than 40$ a year? I bet they have plenty money laying aside to pay for this healthcare....oh and the ones that don't, just get thrown in jail, right?
Again...how many are there? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
11/6/2009 7:38 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
It makes you wonder what will be mandated next? Quoting: The Chef
I've joked for years about The Underwear Police, stopping us on sidewalks to do "spot-checks", looking for "skid-marks", and WOE to he/she caught "going commando"!
I joked as a reductio ad absurdum, but The Underwear Police looks more likely every day with all the CRAP they continue to wheel out.
Personally, my line in the sand is drawn at mandatory health insurance. |
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Santa Claustrophobia
User ID: 812053
11/6/2009 7:40 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
This will cause a revolution.
When life gives you lemons…throw them over your shoulder and look for an orange. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 7:46 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
It makes you wonder what will be mandated next?
I've joked for years about The Underwear Police, stopping us on sidewalks to do "spot-checks", looking for "skid-marks", and WOE to he/she caught "going commando"!
I joked as a reductio ad absurdum, but The Underwear Police looks more likely every day with all the CRAP they continue to wheel out.
Personally, my line in the sand is drawn at mandatory health insurance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728979
And how long til the vaccine for H1N1/whatever, is no longer an "individual choice"? |
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The Chef
User ID: 809576
11/6/2009 7:47 PM
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This will cause a revolution. Quoting: Santa Claustrophobia
Maybe but more likely would be people somehow find the money to pay for it for fear of being thrown in prison. This would kill the economy what's left of it anyway for sure. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803157
11/6/2009 7:48 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
It makes you wonder what will be mandated next? Quoting: The Chef
666 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 7:48 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
This will cause a revolution.
Maybe but more likely would be people somehow find the money to pay for it for fear of being thrown in prison. This would kill the economy what's left of it anyway for sure. Quoting: The Chef
Well, be assured there will be at least one who won't pay, won't go to prison for it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806341
11/6/2009 7:52 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Patriotic black lady dared to break the law and challenge racist practices of sitting "in the back of the bus" Cowardly Republicans will never dare to do what is right and let a system of justice and fairness to determine the will of the people Instead they hide behind their keyboards and spread hate speech day and night. Quoting: ??? 812253
Fuck you asshole. Do you want to pay 15,000 for health insurance or go to jail if you don't? You are a miserable piece of shit. |
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Santa Claustrophobia
User ID: 812053
11/6/2009 7:53 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
This will cause a revolution.
Maybe but more likely would be people somehow find the money to pay for it for fear of being thrown in prison. This would kill the economy what's left of it anyway for sure.
Well, be assured there will be at least one who won't pay, won't go to prison for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 686411
I think that there will be quite a few.
When life gives you lemons…throw them over your shoulder and look for an orange. |
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aznwarlord
User ID: 795177
11/6/2009 7:55 PM
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i am not paying for shit.
“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied without understanding the world.”
– Richard Dawkins |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798896
11/6/2009 7:56 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
pelosi sucks obamas c*ck |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 7:57 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
This will cause a revolution.
Maybe but more likely would be people somehow find the money to pay for it for fear of being thrown in prison. This would kill the economy what's left of it anyway for sure.
Well, be assured there will be at least one who won't pay, won't go to prison for it.
I think that there will be quite a few. Quoting: Santa Claustrophobia
Imagine if we had open discussions with the citizens about this bill beforehand, and the politicians actually LISTENED to them.
That is what they are elected to do, or did I miss something?
No left/right no white/black no god/fsm , the problem is we are NOT being represented.
If everyone was aware of this bill, There's no way people would be FOR it..
just no way. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778753
11/6/2009 8:00 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Patriotic black lady dared to break the law and challenge racist practices of sitting "in the back of the bus" Cowardly Republicans will never dare to do what is right and let a system of justice and fairness to determine the will of the people Instead they hide behind their keyboards and spread hate speech day and night. Quoting: ??? 812253
If you wanna talk history- Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN.
How is the govt determining what treatments people should have and telling them to buy something or go to jail either right or fair?
You don't get that this isn't about giving people stuff they want, it's about LOSING RIGHTS. If you had kids you'd be more concerned because if this keeps they will have no rights left. People like you are selling out future generations. For what? So people can have all the taxpayer funded, unsafe pharmaceuticals they want? Liberals pretend like they're for the little guy but this legislation strips away choices from every single individual and rewards insurance AND pharmaceutical corporations. Wake up already. If they wanted to make sure everyone had access to healthcare they only had to expand Medicaid. That's it. So why everything else? CONTROL. |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/6/2009 8:02 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794136
11/6/2009 8:04 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
The cost would be $15,000 a year for pelosi's pathetic, useless, bankrupting nazi health plan? Kidding right?
All for what, doctors that are incompetent and toxic phony medicine that kills instead of cures, gee what a deal!
FUCK OFF. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
11/6/2009 8:07 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Time to re-read Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archaepelago" (sp?)
There's several interesting paragraphs in the beginning of the book, lamenting what the people should have done, and how they should have met the agents sent to take them away from their homes and apartments for imaginary offences.
It also seems, from what he wrote there, that when arrested, the people imagined all would turn out ok, as they'd truly done nothing wrong. This happy fantasy, of course, proved bootless.
Now, we'll be asked to believe we're criminals for refusing to go along with a "law" requiring us to spend $$$ we haven't got, to buy something we're not interested in buying.
Time for some brain-bleach to wash away their lies. |
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sd1975
User ID: 786565
11/6/2009 8:16 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Let me put forth this wildly insane idea...this is a run up to the mark of the beast...I know...CRAZY!
I think (Hope?) That will be eliminated from the Bill...but something tells me it won't. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
11/6/2009 8:17 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
— Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn |
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drtfis
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11/6/2009 8:27 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
This woman is fucking insane when commie's running this country  |
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Night Owl
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11/6/2009 8:29 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
Hope there are a lot more stimulus dollars left, so they can start building lots of prisons! LOL They're going to be filling up FAST! But look at the bright side, we'll all get 3 square meals a day, Free TV and Internet. They have free exercise programs and they teach new skills for free. Gosh maybe we'll all be happier INSIDE and let these loonie politicians have the crazy world! They're the insane ones!! |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/6/2009 8:30 PM | | Re: Pelosi: Buy A $15,000 Dollar Policy Or Go To Jail For 5 Years (Failure To Comply Would Also Cost You A $250,000 Fine!) | Quote |
So much for "No involuntary servitude" |
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