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mathetes
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11/6/2009 7:26 PM
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
[link to republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov]
Last Edited by mathetes on 11/6/2009 at 7:26 PM
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The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
11/6/2009 7:33 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
It jist keeps gettin' better!
Of course, every horrendous piece of legislation is passed with token protest. If not passed, it'll be back with renewed virulence in a matter of a few months.
Meanwhile, we're losing our jobs, being priced out of living, and these clowns are purposefully intent upon hurrying along the process of our demise. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812177
11/6/2009 7:34 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Americans will watch it on tv and say it is a good and american thing.
I don't even have house ins on my brand new house. It's concrete, fireproof, and in a low crime neighborhood. Had it and they kept pilling on exemptions where it basically didn't cover much. Ditched it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 793418
11/6/2009 7:37 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
I am going to laugh so hard if this happens. Instead of getting free healthcare, the complainers ("I don't have insurance so I can't get medical care!!) are going to be forced to buy insurance. They'll wished they had just paid to see a doctor and then shut up about it. Never trust a Democrat when he makes promises. |
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lolita
User ID: 812264
11/6/2009 7:41 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
WHAT A BUNCH OF CROOKS.
Remember the house memo? JUST LAST WEEK, it was a maximum of 25.000$ and only 1 year in jail...
NOW IT'S 250.000$ and 5 years in jail...
THIS IS JUST GETTING BETTER!
The last memo:
[link to www.politico.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810474
11/6/2009 9:29 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Hey, wow...free shelter; free food; probably free medical care in jail, too. I don't have a problem with it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 9:32 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Hey, wow...free shelter; free food; probably free medical care in jail, too. I don't have a problem with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810474
Ever saw anything to do with jail?
Not a pretty place, I would imagine. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 629392
11/6/2009 9:32 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
They are racing to pass this enormous bill, which is all about control to hell with our health, yet it won't even go into affect until 2013!!! Hey PELOUSY ya ole hussy.. whats you hurry??? Fraid some of us just might get informed and see where you and your clowns are trying to destroy us ?! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810975
11/6/2009 9:32 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526155
11/6/2009 9:34 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Oh puhleeez. The recession is in full swing. They are pipedreaming. What are homeless people supposed to buy health care?  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 526155
11/6/2009 9:35 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
I am going to laugh so hard if this happens. Instead of getting free healthcare, the complainers ("I don't have insurance so I can't get medical care!!) are going to be forced to buy insurance. They'll wished they had just paid to see a doctor and then shut up about it. Never trust a Democrat when he makes promises. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793418
I PRAY THAT HAPPENS. I want to see John Stewart's audience turn on him for pushing this fucking bill so hard. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 790530
11/6/2009 9:35 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
It jist keeps gettin' better!
Of course, every horrendous piece of legislation is passed with token protest. If not passed, it'll be back with renewed virulence in a matter of a few months.
Meanwhile, we're losing our jobs, being priced out of living, and these clowns are purposefully intent upon hurrying along the process of our demise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728979
Time to get our guns and march on Washington. This has got to stop and stop now. If it means taking on the guard and military so be it. There are more of us with guns than them. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 9:35 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Oh puhleeez. The recession is in full swing. They are pipedreaming. What are homeless people supposed to buy health care?
They can't.
Apparently everything goes as planned for them. |
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ZenTrip
User ID: 812276
11/6/2009 9:37 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Matt, I posted this on the other thread by acc. so here's the quote:
 You guys aren't gonna believe the dot to dot I just put together.
Remember the whole labor(fema)camp bill??? remember the story about how they said it will only be used for federal prisoners?
Well this would be a federal crime, not state. Right?
Now with all the jobs disapearing, it would seem we would all end up federal prisoners, thus getting a life sentance in camp happy fun time, because we would NEVER be able to pay off the fine.
So, as soon as we would get out every 5 years, we would get thrown right back in for not paying thefine, as well as not having health care.
Wait for an un-related anti-crime bill to get passed, that would read "3 strikes - your out" law on the federal level.
Plus the healthcare bill has the whole "felony" langage it it already, so no gun rights.
But don't worry if your the elite!!! You have deep pockets, and will never miss what would amount to chicken change.
Last Edited by ZenTrip on 11/6/2009 at 9:38 PM
Wake me up if I go off the road!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812332
11/6/2009 9:39 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
don't we have a choice?
dammit
health insurance should be a choice, some people just don't need it or can afford it |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 621262
11/6/2009 9:40 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
time for mass arrest of the DC politicans for treason, wars crimes, genocide, 9/11, chemtrails, fraud, larceny, .... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
11/6/2009 9:42 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
OMG third fucking identical thread...I repeat!!!
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
The truth is bad enough stop being used to spread disinfo to make us all look like fools and READ THE FUCKING BILL! The chart I quote is on page 242... of course it is still fucked up either way as no one should be getting sent to jail or or pay fines just because they are poor! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/6/2009 9:42 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Matt, I posted this on the other thread by acc. so here's the quote:
You guys aren't gonna believe the dot to dot I just put together.
Remember the whole labor(fema)camp bill??? remember the story about how they said it will only be used for federal prisoners?
Well this would be a federal crime, not state. Right?
Now with all the jobs disapearing, it would seem we would all end up federal prisoners, thus getting a life sentance in camp happy fun time, because we would NEVER be able to pay off the fine.
So, as soon as we would get out every 5 years, we would get thrown right back in for not paying thefine, as well as not having health care.
Wait for an un-related anti-crime bill to get passed, that would read "3 strikes - your out" law on the federal level.
Plus the healthcare bill has the whole "felony" langage it it already, so no gun rights.
But don't worry if your the elite!!! You have deep pockets, and will never miss what would amount to chicken change.
UNC SAM WANTS YOU
TO GO TO JAIL, YA CRIMINAL
GET IN THERE.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758025
11/6/2009 9:43 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Hey look, Im a socialist democrat, but hey, I'm socialist on political issues like the need for universal heatlth care, but I'm very conservative when it comes to money spending. The only reason I have insurance on my truck is that I need liability so that if I'm in a wreck and the cop decides it is partially my fault, whether it really is or not, I don't get sued into bankruptcy. So, I don't like insurance all that much unless I think it is justified.
Look, if the US didn't pay healthcare, I mean a lot of people, a real lot, it would be physically impossible to put everybody in jail. It would drag down the US. They could fine, but they'd have to take out of your bank account or paycheck. If everybody didn't work in protest, I know it is a HUGE 'If" but IF, the government could be brought down.
Personally, I think the concept of "money" preventing us from all having access to health care is bogus, but I can't find a reasonable way to get around the money aspect. Socialism, to an extent does, but try getting everybody to pull the system when others might be slacking off, it doesn't work. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812332
11/6/2009 9:46 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
OMG third fucking identical thread...I repeat!!!
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
The truth is bad enough stop being used to spread disinfo to make us all look like fools and READ THE FUCKING BILL! The chart I quote is on page 242... of course it is still fucked up either way as no one should be getting sent to jail or or pay fines just because they are poor! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
all i know is pelosi is a israeli jew bitch
that's all i know
and no i'm not muslim
i'm 100% pure anglo saxon american |
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malu 
User ID: 800077
11/6/2009 9:53 PM
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It jist keeps gettin' better!
Of course, every horrendous piece of legislation is passed with token protest. If not passed, it'll be back with renewed virulence in a matter of a few months.
Meanwhile, we're losing our jobs, being priced out of living, and these clowns are purposefully intent upon hurrying along the process of our demise.
Time to get our guns and march on Washington. This has got to stop and stop now. If it means taking on the guard and military so be it. There are more of us with guns than them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 790530
if 4% take up arms, that is ten million strong, the largest army in the world. we don't have their technology, but we are everywhere,,, bwwwaaaahahahahaha
i am so sick of these arrogant fuckers
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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watchdog
User ID: 466967
11/6/2009 9:59 PM
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UFB!
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If a law is unjust, you are not only right to break it, you are obligated to do so.
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812351
11/6/2009 10:06 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
adolf hitler was right! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
11/6/2009 10:08 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Remember and KNOW: we aren't criminals because they say we are, or try to treat us as if we are. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798349
11/6/2009 10:14 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Pelosi ought to be fearing for her safety, especially if this bill passes...people WILL snap...not making a threat, just stating that this could enrage a lot of folks |
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malu
User ID: 800077
11/6/2009 10:19 PM
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Pelosi ought to be fearing for her safety, especially if this bill passes...people WILL snap...not making a threat, just stating that this could enrage a lot of folks Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798349
luckily, our tax dollars have been used to provide the lot of these traitorous bastards the most secure facilities in the world. of course they are buried deep into the earth, symbolic for the hell they will certainly end up in.
people are snapping already, just wait till the meds run out, and alcohol, and food, it's gonna be one heck of a party
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 790530
11/6/2009 10:22 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Pelosi ought to be fearing for her safety, especially if this bill passes...people WILL snap...not making a threat, just stating that this could enrage a lot of folks
luckily, our tax dollars have been used to provide the lot of these traitorous bastards the most secure facilities in the world. of course they are buried deep into the earth, symbolic for the hell they will certainly end up in.
people are snapping already, just wait till the meds run out, and alcohol, and food, it's gonna be one heck of a party Quoting: malu
I'm in |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 64458
11/6/2009 10:43 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Nancy Pelosi is one of Bernard Madoff's first tier investors. This was a criminal enterprise and it is reported that all first tier investors are being investigated for criminal fraud.
I suspect that Nancy is terrified that she will be brought up on charges and is trying to finalize the take over of America so that she can avoid going to jail. Thus she is literally a 'mad woman' over the Health Care Bill, which is really the 'slavery' bill...a coup de' tat... and TOTALLY unconstitutional.
She is a guilt-ridden, terrified woman, who was probably the Queen who lost her head in another life...you know the one...she said 'let 'em eat cake.' Ya, that one. |
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Doomamatrix
User ID: 802979
11/6/2009 10:45 PM
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They hate us...they really do hate us all and wish us dead. |
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malu
User ID: 800077
11/6/2009 10:47 PM
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They hate us...they really do hate us all and wish us dead. Quoting: Doomamatrix
feelings mutual
and we out number them by 100,000 - 1
glad i am not them
edit: forgot to add, they hate us for our freedom,,, lmao
Last Edited by malu on 11/6/2009 at 10:48 PM
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778993
11/6/2009 10:51 PM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Man, I try hard to not get too pissed off, but the Democrats are REALLY starting to get under my fucking skin.
Nancy Pelosi should be put out to stud already, christ. |
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