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| Evil Twin  
Senior Forum Moderator
11/7/2009 1:47 AM
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Fuck money, insurance. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING in a civilised society has the right to basic health care. Of course the manner in which this basic human right is being forced up you is completely corrupt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802822
No shit...if it was fair, you'd be forced to have a doctor in every family.
Sorry, son, I don't care if you want to be a physicist, fairness dictates you must be a medical doctor and take care of Granny's bunions and loose bowel.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| mathetes
User ID: 793782
11/7/2009 1:48 AM
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RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION
its in there... right after they tell you how much you will be TAXED for not having the appropriate mandatory health care coverage.
I want to know what the religion is, where do I get the exemption form and where do I sign!
I think that would be Jehovah witnesses...meh I can't get into that whole door to door thing
lol
I was raised as a JW, I still know enough people on the inside to get you an exemption letter, lol. Quoting: Evil Twin
lol I may take you up on that!
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory.
John Quincy Adams |
| Liberty4ever1776
User ID: 807597
11/7/2009 1:49 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
That's the PUBLIC OPTION for you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771416
Why is it called the public 'option'???
Shove the mandated insurance up their asses!
Most of us have enough financial problems without this shiat.
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson
"It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford, founder of the Ford motor company
"We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies; domestic swindlers, rich and predatory money lenders which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. The Federal Reserve banks are the agents of the foreign central banks. The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States by the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board." --Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, 75 Congressional Record 12595-12603, June 10, 1932
"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Gun control.. it's not about guns, it's about control! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692898
11/7/2009 1:50 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
adolf hitler was right! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812351
We hear from yet another socialist on the thread. Hitler advocated governmental theft too, just like the pinkos in DC. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692898
11/7/2009 1:52 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
When exactly is this being voted on? Quoting: Frostradamus
at 2:00 AM before Christmas recess |
| Yycroman
User ID: 812437
11/7/2009 1:53 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
- - - - - - - - - -
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
- - - - - - - - - -
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
[ link to republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov]
A single person living on either disability or social security would take at least 2 years to even have 15k run through their fingers, how absurd. The arrogant capitalist pigs always looking for new ways to fuck the poor, bravo.. time for more puking. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812372
11/7/2009 1:53 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Two gulps of fresh air. $22
Three cups of water. $54
Farting in public. $100
Farting in Pelosi face. Priceless |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812372
11/7/2009 2:02 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
- - - - - - - - - -
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
- - - - - - - - - -
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
[ link to republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov]
A single person living on either disability or social security would take at least 2 years to even have 15k run through their fingers, how absurd. The arrogant capitalist pigs always looking for new ways to fuck the poor, bravo.. time for more puking.
if you can't come up with 15k then it's off to the fema camps for you and yours
now you know what jews went through in Auschwitz |
| Tenstar
User ID: 812462
11/7/2009 2:03 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
• Section 7201 – "felony willful evasion"
I want Pol-ut-se arrested and tried for "felony willful evasion" of the
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Fucking Bitch!
"Praise is the Song of the Soul set free."
from the little book of prayer. |
| Tenstar
User ID: 812462
11/7/2009 2:03 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
• Section 7201 – "felony willful evasion"
I want Pol-ut-se arrested and tried for "felony willful evasion" of the
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Fucking Bitch!
"Praise is the Song of the Soul set free."
from the little book of prayer. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 692898
11/7/2009 2:04 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Farting in Pelosi face. Priceless Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812372
Turnabout is fair play. She's doing more than just farting on us. |
| LemuriaInTheSea
User ID: 802811
11/7/2009 2:10 AM
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Once I'm a criminal, I have nothing to lose.
Think about that, Nancy and Barry. Think bout that long and hard.
I will not go like the Jews went. I can never understand why the Jews did nothing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 621262
11/7/2009 2:12 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
time for mass arrest of the politicans. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 621262
11/7/2009 2:14 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
• Section 7201 – "felony willful evasion"
I want Pol-ut-se arrested and tried for "felony willful evasion" of the
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Fucking Bitch! Quoting: Tenstar
rise up America. Time for mass arrest of these fukers |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516293
11/7/2009 2:17 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
• Section 7201 – "felony willful evasion"
I want Pol-ut-se arrested and tried for "felony willful evasion" of the
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Fucking Bitch! Quoting: Tenstar
I second that! |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
11/7/2009 2:22 AM
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Once I'm a criminal, I have nothing to lose.
Think about that, Nancy and Barry. Think bout that long and hard.
I will not go like the Jews went. I can never understand why the Jews did nothing.
They had been conditioned to believe they were helpless.
Imagine if, instead of hiding in the closets, they'd waited, 5 or 10 men per building, for the Nazis to kick down the doors, then pounced on them with brooms, bats, and kitchen knives.
The SS would have been finished in a month.
Last Edited by Evil Twin on 11/7/2009 at 2:22 AM
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| King Of All Ducks
User ID: 712852
11/7/2009 2:39 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
It jist keeps gettin' better!
Of course, every horrendous piece of legislation is passed with token protest. If not passed, it'll be back with renewed virulence in a matter of a few months.
Meanwhile, we're losing our jobs, being priced out of living, and these clowns are purposefully intent upon hurrying along the process of our demise.
Time to get our guns and march on Washington. This has got to stop and stop now. If it means taking on the guard and military so be it. There are more of us with guns than them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 790530
Problems is they got tanks, artillery, fighters, bombers, helicopter gunships, UAVs. Chemical and biological weapons. I'll bet they've even got super-secret weapons developed under the care of the CIA, NSA, DARPA and so on.
If you're going to tackle them, please, please, please be very careful and prayerful. Please! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812481
11/7/2009 2:41 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
OMG third fucking identical thread...I repeat!!!
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
The truth is bad enough stop being used to spread disinfo to make us all look like fools and READ THE FUCKING BILL! The chart I quote is on page 242... of course it is still fucked up either way as no one should be getting sent to jail or or pay fines just because they are poor! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
Darlin', we're retired military. At this point, we pay less than $50 per month to upgrade our health care to TricarePrime. It's not easy to meet that payment. What is it in the official plan that makes things easier on people like us? Hell, we're going to get kicked out of the MILITARY health care system at age 65, as it is. We'll go to Medicare. What helps the hundreds of thousands of military retirees in this bill? It's hard enough to put food on the table, dammit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 682255
11/7/2009 2:52 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
1. Democrats in Congress have no interest in a robust private sector economy. They are motivated to create as much federal dependency as possible, and hence, will are also motivated to confiscate as much of the private sector asset base as possible.
2. The economy is within a few short years of complete systemic breakdown. The dollars we're currently holding will be virtually worthless.
3. Prepare for the worst. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812486
11/7/2009 2:53 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
- - - - - - - - - -
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
- - - - - - - - - -
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
[ link to republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov]
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776606
11/7/2009 3:16 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail Quoting: mathetes
A) THAT is the estimated cost for a family of 4 in *2016*, AND
B) If you don't have adequate coverage AT ALL in a year. NOT if you don't have coverage for ALL of a year.
AND, of course, this IS just still ONE of many Bills, and NOT LAW!!
For ME, that Bill would cost me less than $100 a month, vs over $500 a month for minimum Blue Cross or similar, IF I could even qualify now.
In 3 years and a few months, I'll be under Medicare and this will all be moot. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812100
11/7/2009 3:17 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
uh...before i would swallow what the OP is pedaling-I would wait for the facts
there is no way you can trust this "news"- its from the Republicans, who are desperate to cover their torture tracks
and the OP is not exactly of the highest moral character |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808673
11/7/2009 3:32 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Actually it says buy a policy or pay a 2.5% tax. And since cheating on your taxes is already illegal and can be punishable by 250,000 fine or 5 years in prison it falls into that category.
Personally, I don't mind a 2.5 percent tax if it means I get health care. Now I'm sure richer people would go with private insurers since 2.5% might be more than the premiums for private coverage.
Its better than the 15 percent of my wages that are going to health care now and I might be able to spend that extra money into the real economy.
Damn you guys always fall for the spin.
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax. |
| Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
11/7/2009 3:38 AM
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Personally, I don't mind a 2.5 percent tax if it means I get health care. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808673
I do.
The government has no right to force me to buy health insurance.
I have never spent 2.5% of my income on medical expenses in a year, ever.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812506
11/7/2009 3:58 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Who needs doctors any ways. |
| georgebushworstprezever
User ID: 177020
11/7/2009 4:31 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Personally, I don't mind a 2.5 percent tax if it means I get health care.
I do.
The government has no right to force me to buy health insurance.
I have never spent 2.5% of my income on medical expenses in a year, ever. Quoting: Evil Twin
Ah....there's the rub.
Much has already been written on this very issue, i.e., would such a mandate survive constitutional challenges. Legal scholars seem to be divided on the matter from what I've read to date.
Here's a nice jumping off point on the topic from the LA Time....
Health Insurance Mandate Alarms Some
Critics say it may be unconstitutional to charge a penalty for not buying a product. Supporters compare the mandate to car insurance requirements.
By David G. Savage
November 1, 2009
Reporting from Washington - Among some libertarians and conservatives, the most troubling aspect of the pending healthcare reform bills is the prospect of a federal requirement that Americans buy insurance.
"What next? Can Congress order you to buy spinach?" asked Roger Pilon, director of constitutional studies at the Cato Institute.
He and other defenders of limited federal power foresee a constitutional challenge to the mandate to buy insurance based on the claim that Congress' power to regulate commerce does not extend to forcing citizens to buy a commercial product.
"I think the individual mandate will be challenged. And it will be a close call," Pilon said.
In recent weeks, the debate over how to bring about affordable health coverage for all has overshadowed the novelty of a federal requirement to purchase insurance. When the Clinton administration considered such a plan in 1994, the Congressional Budget Office said it "would be an unprecedented form of federal action. . . . The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States."
The newly unveiled House bill would set a tax penalty of as much as 2.5% of adjusted income for people who do not have health insurance as of 2013. The Senate Finance Committee scaled down its penalty, but settled on a maximum of $750 per adult, or $1,500 for a household. A Senate version of the bill says the IRS could only enforce the penalty by subtracting it from any refund owed to the taxpayer.
In the past, Congress has used tax breaks to encourage certain purchases, such as a tax deduction for the mortgage interest paid when buying a home. However, critics of the health insurance mandate say they do not know of a similar example of a federal tax penalty for not buying a product.
"This hasn't been done for more than 200 years," said Peter Urbanowicz, a deputy general counsel at the Department of Health and Human Services in the George W. Bush administration. "Health insurance is a good thing, and everyone should have it. But there are limits to what Congress can do. It doesn't have the authority to tell you to buy something."
Supporters of the mandate to buy insurance, including President Obama, point to state laws that require motorists to buy auto insurance. To register a car, drivers in nearly every state must show that they have liability insurance to cover the cost to others if they cause an accident.
The logic behind the health insurance mandate is similar, supporters say. If a person without coverage is hurt in an accident and sent to the hospital, he might run up huge medical bills that he cannot pay, which would then be absorbed by others with insurance or by taxpayers.
Many constitutional-law experts also predict that even a conservative Supreme Court would uphold a federal requirement that individuals buy health insurance. The justices have said that Congress has wide latitude to regulate economic activity, and health insurance qualifies as that.
Although the mandate to buy insurance may well face a constitutional challenge, "I don't think this is a close call," said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Irvine law school. He said that individuals' refusal to buy insurance could have an effect on the market, and the Supreme Court has said that Congress may regulate actions that affect a market.
As an example, he cited the court's decision four years ago that upheld federal restrictions on home-grown marijuana in California even though two women who used medical marijuana at home argued that they did not intend to buy or sell it.
A 6-3 majority said Congress may "regulate activities that substantially affect interstate commerce," and at least in theory, the home-grown marijuana could have been sold in the illegal drug market.
A legal challenge to the healthcare mandate may be several years away. To challenge this requirement in court, a taxpayer would have to face a penalty, and the pending legislation does not phase in the penalties until after 2013.
[link to www.latimes.com] |
| TEXAS UNCENSORED, nli
User ID: 812518
11/7/2009 4:40 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
I've said it before and I'll say it again. These people have completely lost their minds. Can we just have them committed? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776606
11/7/2009 4:46 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
• Section 7201 – "felony willful evasion"
I want Pol-ut-se arrested and tried for "felony willful evasion" of the
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Fucking Bitch! Quoting: Tenstar
It's the TAX CODE, NOT fucking health care!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776606
11/7/2009 4:49 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
and the OP is not exactly of the highest moral character Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812100
M used to a rational and trustworthy poster. He's now erratic and fully a GLPer, signed and sealed. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776606
11/7/2009 4:51 AM | | Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison.. | Quote |
Personally, I don't mind a 2.5 percent tax if it means I get health care.
I do.
The government has no right to force me to buy health insurance. Quoting: Evil Twin
So, what about car insurance? You're WAY more likely to have to use health insurance than car insurance. |
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