Have been busy doing chores around the property, kids have on Disney, hubby has on DIY, I am taking a break on house chores, what has been happening with vote? Any updates? Thanks.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 810220 11/7/2009 10:26 AM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
The truth is bad enough stop being used to spread disinfo to make us all look like fools and READ THE FUCKING BILL! The chart I quote is on page 242... of course it is still fucked up either way as no one should be getting sent to jail or or pay fines just because they are poor!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
Hey tool
what if I just do not want to carry coverage regardless of what it costs? I take responsibility for my health and if i need a dr. i pay cash. i come out ahead instead of paying for ins. i do not need.
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
The truth is bad enough stop being used to spread disinfo to make us all look like fools and READ THE FUCKING BILL! The chart I quote is on page 242... of course it is still fucked up either way as no one should be getting sent to jail or or pay fines just because they are poor!
Hey tool
what if I just do not want to carry coverage regardless of what it costs? I take responsibility for my health and if i need a dr. i pay cash. i come out ahead instead of paying for ins. i do not need.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810220
You must have insurance each year and file a form like income tax to IRS proving so. Not an option. They do not want you to save money. They need ALL to pay into the system to pay for the care for ALL. Otherwise, no way could this be afforded.
Of course, that won't be anywhere close to enough money to pay for it either but they have to say that to pretend it is not a huge defiicit spending bill that will totally bankrupt the entire economy the way it does everywhere it has been tried.
But they really NEED people like you because you would pay and not use the service so would be total income for their scheme.
I can't possibly afford it but unless I qualify for some kind of break, guess it will be pay or pay premiums PLUS the fine.
There is no option to not have and verify having coverage.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 789005 11/7/2009 10:51 AM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
The truth is bad enough stop being used to spread disinfo to make us all look like fools and READ THE FUCKING BILL! The chart I quote is on page 242... of course it is still fucked up either way as no one should be getting sent to jail or or pay fines just because they are poor!
Hey tool
what if I just do not want to carry coverage regardless of what it costs? I take responsibility for my health and if i need a dr. i pay cash. i come out ahead instead of paying for ins. i do not need.
You must have insurance each year and file a form like income tax to IRS proving so. Not an option. They do not want you to save money. They need ALL to pay into the system to pay for the care for ALL. Otherwise, no way could this be afforded.
Of course, that won't be anywhere close to enough money to pay for it either but they have to say that to pretend it is not a huge defiicit spending bill that will totally bankrupt the entire economy the way it does everywhere it has been tried.
But they really NEED people like you because you would pay and not use the service so would be total income for their scheme.
I can't possibly afford it but unless I qualify for some kind of break, guess it will be pay or pay premiums PLUS the fine.
There is no option to not have and verify having coverage.
Quoting: Bluebird
I am leaving the country. I have found another country where you can get a new citizenship (which is not a bs citizenship - visa free travel in all of EU, Central and South America, Australia, etc) for $50,000 INCLUDING a sealed name change if you want.
I am done with the commie bullshit here. Thankfully I work in I.T. and will still be able to do my work but from someplace new.
I AM OVER THIS BULLSHIT. PELOSI KISS MY ASS YOU WORTHLESS HAG BITCH.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 688004 11/7/2009 10:52 AM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
Have been busy doing chores around the property, kids have on Disney, hubby has on DIY, I am taking a break on house chores, what has been happening with vote? Any updates? Thanks.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 656642
So far... Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree
Democratic - YEA 253 NV 5
Republican - YEA 73 NAY 1 NV 3
Independent - 0
Totals: YEA 426 NAY 1 NV 8
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802124 11/7/2009 10:54 AM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
Have been busy doing chores around the property, kids have on Disney, hubby has on DIY, I am taking a break on house chores, what has been happening with vote? Any updates? Thanks.
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
i see glp's mods and cronies are still pushing agendas...
whose exactly? regardless, stop listening to fox news and stop reading these retarded ass threads that get pinned
think for yourself and learn to read more into
these fucks obviously are lined in the pocketbooks who love to spread their disinfo on this forum
Anonymous Coward User ID: 686411 11/7/2009 11:50 AM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
i see glp's mods and cronies are still pushing agendas...
whose exactly? regardless, stop listening to fox news and stop reading these retarded ass threads that get pinned
think for yourself and learn to read more into
these fucks obviously are lined in the pocketbooks who love to spread their disinfo on this forum
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812719
So you gonna tell me this health care bill is good for me? FUCK NO, NO THANKS
Anonymous Coward User ID: 586066 11/7/2009 11:58 AM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
I am leaving the country. I have found another country where you can get a new citizenship (which is not a bs citizenship - visa free travel in all of EU, Central and South America, Australia, etc) for $50,000 INCLUDING a sealed name change if you want.
I am done with the commie bullshit here. Thankfully I work in I.T. and will still be able to do my work but from someplace new.
I AM OVER THIS BULLSHIT. PELOSI KISS MY ASS YOU WORTHLESS HAG BITCH.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 789005
Which country??
Anonymous Coward User ID: 812737 11/7/2009 12:30 PM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
Do not fear.
Legality is EXACTLY what this is about.
Listen carefully as here is your answer as to "how"...HOW can they pass such a bill that would send us to jail...
Copy and save what I am about to add read it carefully and then continue to get educated. You do not have to be worried about this bill if you instead address this one issue that everyone wants to bury, overlook, and disregard
The 14th Amendment, a.k.a. THE RED amendment put you in this position and created a "U.S. CITIZEN" I cannot stress more, how very critical it is, if you believe in TRUE AMERICAN FREEDOM, you must learn ABOUT THE 14th AMENDMENT. It is the strongest shackle you wear without knowing what it is or why.
The 14th amendment
It is the primary vehicle for all that has been foisted upon Americans for 140 years as they cry about the eroding constitutional rights they think they have. Income taxes. Social Security. taxation without representation, involuntary draft into military service, medicare, the FED, and every little sub-department of the federal government, etc., that has encroached on your lives since July of 1868.
All should be very interested to know that what is known as the Expatriation Act was passed 1 day before the 14th amendment was announced ratified. They had to ensure an exit for what they were about to do was box you in and hide the key. This "expatriation act" is the key to your shackle. Ironically expatriation it doesn't make you less American...it makes you MORE American! The 14th amendment kidnapped you into a new jurisdiction, that of Washington D.C. rather than your rightful government, your state.
The Act is "legally" referenced as:
Public Law, 15 United States Statutes at Large, Chapter 249, pages 223-224 (1868) and is as follows (underline added emphasis):
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CHAP. CCXLIX - An Act concerning the Rights of American Citizens in foreign States.
PREAMBLE - RIGHTS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS IN FOREIGN STATES. WHEREAS the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right of all people, indispensable to the recognition of this principle this government has freely received emigrants from all nations, and invested in them with the rights of citizenship; and whereas it is claimed that such American citizens, with their descendants, are subjects of foreign states, owing allegiance to the governments thereof; and whereas it is necessary to the maintenance of public peace that this claim of foreign allegiance should be promptly and finally disavowed
SECTION 1 - Right of expatriation declared. THEREFORE, Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any declaration, instruction, opinion, order, or decision of any officers of this government which denies, restricts, impairs, or questions the right of expatriation, is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of this government.
SECTION II - Protection to naturalized citizens in foreign states. And it is further enacted That all naturalized citizens of the United States, while in foreign states, shall be entitled to , and shall receive from this government, the same protection of persons and property that is accorded to native born citizens in like situations and circumstances.
SECTION III - Release of citizens imprisoned by foreign governments to be demanded. And it is further enacted, That whenever it shall be made known to the President that any citizen of the United States has been unjustly deprived of his liberty by our under the demand of that government the reasons for such imprisonment, and if it appears to be wrongful and in the violation of the rights of American citizenship, the President shall forthwith demand the release of such citizen, and if the release so demanded is unreasonably delayed or refused, it shall be the duty of the President to use such means, not amounting to acts of war, as he may think necessary and proper to obtain or effectuate such release, and all the facts and proceedings relative thereto shall as soon as practicable be communicated by the President to Congress. Approved, July 27, 1868
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What is an AMERICAN CITIZEN IN A FOREIGN STATE??? What foreign state? Here are some examples...Illinois, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc.
Your freedom was kidnapped, but they hid a key in the room and since it is there, they call your slavery voluntary U.S. Citizenship.
The room is dark. You have to search around. You'll be mislead, redirected, and discouraged from looking for this key. As you approach the door you will be clawed at and ridiculed and warned. As you insert the key and turn you may even be attacked...they do not want to lose slaves.
As you open the door you will see the light and you will step through and you will shake off 140 years of corruption and lies to be a free American once again and protected by the Constitution once again.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 812739 11/7/2009 12:34 PM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
THIS SHIT WILL COME TO A SCREAMING HALT ONCE IT GETS TO THE SUPREME COURT. TTHE DEMS ARE BASING THEIR AUTHORITY TO RAM THIS BILL THROUGH USING THE INTER-STATE COMMERCE REGULATION CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION.
GUARANTEED THE COURT WILL WIPE THAT LIZARD-LIPPED SMILE OFF PELOSI'S SMIRK.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 760960 11/7/2009 12:34 PM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
time for mass arrest of the DC politicans for treason, wars crimes, genocide, 9/11, chemtrails, fraud, larceny, ....
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262
Yes, and an open televised trial where all their nefarious acts are read and with all the proofs presented.
And then execute them immediately, just out the door and out back of the Court House to waiting Fireing Squad.
No good dirty B's if they was not putting toxic crap in food and med's people would need their BS healthcare crap.
Oh that day is soon comming I think and I am so glad I am not one of them fuckers.. cause the sounds of millions of foot steps marching toward them is gonna be something else
Anonymous Coward User ID: 286081 11/7/2009 1:04 PM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
Last Edited by Aquarius 7 on 11/7/2009 at 1:05 PM “ Put on the whole armor of God … for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the wickedness of the evil spirits in the heavens. …” ~ from Ephesians 6:11-12
embu User ID: 758011 11/7/2009 1:05 PM
Re: Breaking! Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail;Failure to Comply 5 Years in Prison..
I am leaving the country. I have found another country where you can get a new citizenship (which is not a bs citizenship - visa free travel in all of EU, Central and South America, Australia, etc) for $50,000 INCLUDING a sealed name change if you want.
I am done with the commie bullshit here. Thankfully I work in I.T. and will still be able to do my work but from someplace new.
I AM OVER THIS BULLSHIT. PELOSI KISS MY ASS YOU WORTHLESS HAG BITCH.
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