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PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS
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Thomas Dolby
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11/6/2009 8:38 PM
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
PIN THIS SUCKER....!
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812010
 United States
11/6/2009 8:39 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
 is all that is |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 8:40 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 811985
 United Kingdom
11/6/2009 8:40 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
is all that is
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812010
United States
11/6/2009 8:41 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
not saying the story is not true...
just saying it is B.S. and would never happen...
scare tactics by the idiots  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
United States
11/6/2009 8:41 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
— Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812010
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11/6/2009 8:42 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 811985
United Kingdom
11/6/2009 8:42 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
is all that is
IT IS B.S. RETARD ... the STORY MAY BE TRUE...
BUT IT IS B.S. and WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
United States
11/6/2009 8:43 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
IT IS B.S. RETARD ... the STORY MAY BE TRUE...
BUT IT IS B.S. and WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
It's HAPPENING as we argue about it's reality. |
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Orion2013 
User ID: 771288
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11/6/2009 8:43 PM
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Christ, this better not pass!!! |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 8:43 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
not saying the story is not true...
just saying it is B.S. and would never happen...
scare tactics by the idiots
Lets try to be more specific next time...
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
United States
11/6/2009 8:44 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
Christ, this better not pass!!! Quoting: Orion2013
Maybe it is for the best that id does.
Let's see em enforce it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812300
United States
11/6/2009 8:44 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
link? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 749475
United States
11/6/2009 8:44 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
is all that is
IT IS B.S. RETARD ... the STORY MAY BE TRUE...
BUT IT IS B.S. and WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
You should have learned by now -
NEVER say never! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423573
United States
11/6/2009 8:45 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
is all that is
read the bill jerk!!!! |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 8:45 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
It could be last minute scare tactics
But, if and only if it passes.
If, it is on paper.
You know it will become the law!
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 8:46 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
link? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812300
No link!
I've just made it up.... (joke)
Last Edited by Thomas Dolby on 11/6/2009 at 8:47 PM
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
United States
11/6/2009 8:47 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
It could be last minute scare tactics
But, if and only if it passes.
If, it is on paper.
You know it will become the law! Quoting: Thomas Dolby
They'll trot it out 5,000 times, until they pass it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 757124
United States
11/6/2009 8:47 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
It's not the job of the government to tell you to get medical care. They will fine you if you don't. It's in the bill. It's not bullshit.
They will also fine the insurance companies if they deny someone for a pre-exisiting condition. Unfortunately, the fine is going to be cheaper than caring for the person with the condition.
When Obama compared this mandatory healthcare bill to auto insurance I burst out laughing.
Driving is a privilege.
Are you now think living is a privilege?
Not a single congressman will actually READ the ENTIRE bill before they vote on it. Who knows what else is in there. |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 8:50 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
BS or not...
This deserves a PIN to inform the masses...
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 749475
United States
11/6/2009 8:51 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
Yet they're exempt from having the use the same insurance that is supposedly good for this country!
Good enough for us, but NOT good enough for them
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812010
United States
11/6/2009 8:52 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792499
United States
11/6/2009 8:55 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
They'll probably force vaccinations next as part of their preventive health care package to reduce costs along with who knows what. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812010
United States
11/6/2009 8:56 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
BS or not...
This deserves a PIN to inform the masses... Quoting: Thomas Dolby
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 789005
United States
11/6/2009 8:58 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
PIN THIS SUCKER....! Quoting: Thomas Dolby
Pelosi can kiss my ass. They will never be able to enforce this and half the damn country will not comply.
I will be moving out of the country if this happens. |
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Diplomacy
User ID: 732557
United States
11/6/2009 9:01 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
- The Gulag Archipelago, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
I am pro death.
This is founded on the premise that any problem is a non issue if enough people die |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 9:03 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
BS or not...
This deserves a PIN to inform the masses...
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
United States
11/6/2009 9:08 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
AGAIN>>>
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
Why dont you guys try READING IT??? The chart is on page 242 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 749475
United States
11/6/2009 9:11 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
How many employees will they have to hire to keep up with who pays, who doesn't and then more people to collect the money, penalize, and enforce penalties and/or jail time. |
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Thomas Dolby
User ID: 37525
Canada
11/6/2009 9:11 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
AGAIN>>>
The policy may be 15000 dollars but the premiums are based on your income. There is a chart for it people making less then poverty up to 150% of poverty level will pay up to 500 a year premium for individual and 1000 for a family. Someone say making 35000 a year with 3 kids is slightly less then 150% of poverty and would pay 1000 a year premium the first year the second it would be 1500 premium and the 3rd year 2000 plus their deductable and co-pay. The chart goes right on up thru the income brackets.
Why dont you guys try READING IT??? The chart is on page 242 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY YOU IDIOT..!
NOW
"Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
"Don't worry, everything is going to be Ok"
"So live each and every day that you may look any man in the face and tell him to go to hell...! Edgar Cayce, reading 1739-6 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 534125
United States
11/6/2009 9:15 PM | | Re: PELOSI: BUY A $15,000 POLICY OR GO TO JAIL FOR 5 LONG YEARS | Quote |
they try that shit with me and there will be
3 or 4 people that won't be going home to dinner. |
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