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If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it?
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11/7/2009 12:42 AM
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Don't be a hypocrite and DO NOT AVOID THIS QUESTION, If God ask you just like abramham did to his son and passed his faith, would you do it?
Just answer yes or no
Period
If you don't answer, that mean your mind are in conflict and full of fear, which is why asking a child to be sacrifice doesn't come very often in the bible, which is why God called abramham "friend" rather "my children" |
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rachel
User ID: 529732
11/7/2009 12:44 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
i did |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 12:47 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Absolutely NOT.
What kind of "god" would ask that you do something like that anyway, knowing the mental anguish it would cause you -- "test" or otherwise? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803442
11/7/2009 12:47 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Absolutely NOT.
What kind of "god" would ask that you do something like that anyway, knowing the mental anguish it would cause you -- "test" or otherwise? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
+1 |
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Angelseverywhere 
~Fire & Ice~
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11/7/2009 12:49 AM
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No!
It is not because angels are holier than men or devils that makes them angels, but because they do not expect holiness from one another, but from God alone. ~William Blake
An integral being knows without knowing, sees without looking, and accomplishes without doing. ~Lao-Tzu
An angel can illuminate the thought and mind of man by strengthening the power of vision. ~St Thomas Aquina
Angels descending, bring from above,
Echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
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Mnemosyne
User ID: 812309
11/7/2009 12:49 AM
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you miss what sacrifice is, sacrifice is showing the gods that you can do the most painful of deeds. You show that you can, not do coz you are asked. |
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rachel
User ID: 529732
11/7/2009 12:52 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
you miss what sacrifice is, sacrifice is showing the gods that you can do the most painful of deeds. You show that you can, not do coz you are asked. Quoting: Mnemosyne
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*Jentle*
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11/7/2009 12:52 AM
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 .......or words to that effect.
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 731035
11/7/2009 12:53 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
how would I know I was speaking to ?GOD |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806865
11/7/2009 12:55 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
The little "g" god who demanded that Abraham murder - um, "sacrifice" - his son was not God. Yahweh (Abraham's god) sent him from Ur; so, he was one of the being who brought Sumerian civilization forward - and more than a little psycho.
God, the Divine, Creative Intelligence of All That Is would not ask that of one of his worshippers. That is MY God.
I don't hold psychos up as worthy of my worship. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808342
11/7/2009 12:56 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
yes, if 34 was my child |
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34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 12:56 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
you miss what sacrifice is, sacrifice is showing the gods that you can do the most painful of deeds. You show that you can, not do coz you are asked. Quoting: Mnemosyne
Then how come Abraham is the only one who can do it?
1.6 billions wouldn't killed their's own child |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798834
11/7/2009 12:58 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
It happened to me but, not in the way you're thinking.
In 2005, my 15 year old daughter was seriously injured - traumatic brain injury, coma and not expected to survive.
While they were rushing her to emergency surgery to remove both sides of her skull, I began to pray and immediately, the selfishness of begging God to save her life struck me and I prayed the simple prayer, "God, she's yours. I ask only one thing, if you take her, please help me deal with it."
At that moment, I understood what the story of Abraham and Isaac was about.
God not only saved her life, He gave her back to me and gave me the strength and clarity to deal with all the subsequent surgeries and rehab. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806973
11/7/2009 12:59 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Fuck No.
And that passage in the Bible still bothers me. I think the whole idea was complete bullshit. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 769110
11/7/2009 12:59 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
No. If god talks to you that's psychosis. You know, the voice in your head: "Kill the child." |
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Winningjob
User ID: 385114
11/7/2009 1:00 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I would assume that I am hearing voices in my head and losing it. I would then wonder if there is any truth to the Manchurian Candidate concept and if it continued I would seek help in fear that I was losing my mind.
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Goddrunk
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11/7/2009 1:04 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
OP,
You referring to the Abraham/Isaac thing? Did God actually make Abraham sacrifice his son? You've created a strawman argument based on your bias against Christians and Jews who believe in this story.
Problem with your argument: God wasn't actually going to let Abraham sacrifice his son.. Proof is that God stopped him before he went through with it.
Why? Three reasons:
1. God does not allow human sacrifice nor does human sacrifice make atonement for the sins, because sin passes from the father to the child. God had to come down from Heaven Himself, born from a virgin as Jesus was, to die for our sins. Jesus was the only one sinless and perfect as was Levitically required for the sacrificial lamb.
2. God was showing Abraham what He would later do for us through Jesus.
3. God was testing Abraham's faith.
So your straw man argument of going through with a child sacrifice for God is just that, a straw man argument! If you take the story out of context you will automatically come to the biased conclusion that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his child.
Last Edited by Goddrunk on 11/7/2009 at 1:06 AM
John 14:6
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Luke 21:36
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:10 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
3. God was testing Abraham's faith. Quoting: Goddrunk
Well, god created Abraham and knew EXACTLY what he would choose, regardless of his "free will."
God put Abraham through anguish for nothing -- that's abusive. Could you imagine doing that to someone you LOVE just to prove that they will do anything for you?
Fuck no; I doubt you're that cruel. |
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34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 1:12 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
OP,
You referring to the Abraham/Isaac thing? Did God actually make Abraham sacrifice his son? You've created a strawman argument based on your bias against Christians and Jews who believe in this story.
Problem with your argument: God wasn't actually going to let Abraham sacrifice his son.. Proof is that God stopped him before he went through with it.
Why? Three reasons:
1. God does not allow human sacrifice nor does human sacrifice make atonement for the sins, because sin passes from the father to the child. God had to come down from Heaven Himself, born from a virgin as Jesus was, to die for our sins. Jesus was the only one sinless and perfect as was Levitically required for the sacrificial lamb.
2. God was showing Abraham what He would later do for us through Jesus.
3. God was testing Abraham's faith.
So your straw man argument of going through with a child sacrifice for God is just that, a straw man argument! If you take the story out of context you will automatically come to the biased conclusion that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his child. Quoting: Goddrunk
I noticed everything you said contriction each other
Last Edited by 34 on 11/7/2009 at 1:12 AM |
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34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 1:12 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
3. God was testing Abraham's faith.
Well, god created Abraham and knew EXACTLY what he would choose, regardless of his "free will."
God put Abraham through anguish for nothing -- that's abusive. Could you imagine doing that to someone you LOVE just to prove that they will do anything for you?
Fuck no; I doubt you're that cruel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
Beautiful well said |
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One Of My Names
User ID: 722403
11/7/2009 1:13 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I would tel God to fuck off. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:13 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
It happened to me but, not in the way you're thinking.
In 2005, my 15 year old daughter was seriously injured - traumatic brain injury, coma and not expected to survive.
While they were rushing her to emergency surgery to remove both sides of her skull, I began to pray and immediately, the selfishness of begging God to save her life struck me and I prayed the simple prayer, "God, she's yours. I ask only one thing, if you take her, please help me deal with it."
At that moment, I understood what the story of Abraham and Isaac was about.
God not only saved her life, He gave her back to me and gave me the strength and clarity to deal with all the subsequent surgeries and rehab. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798834
Ahh, the beauty of letting go and allowing the Universe to bring you your desired outcome.
When you're too focused on ONE outcome, you erect barriers to keep it from happening that way. Apply that same attitude to everything in your life and watch how smooth things flow.
I'm glad your daughter is fine. |
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Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 1:13 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
3. God was testing Abraham's faith.
Well, god created Abraham and knew EXACTLY what he would choose, regardless of his "free will."
God put Abraham through anguish for nothing -- that's abusive. Could you imagine doing that to someone you LOVE just to prove that they will do anything for you?
Fuck no; I doubt you're that cruel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
It's called prophecy. God was showing Abraham, and all of the reader's of this story, what God would do for us. Not only that, but God promised Abraham that through his son Isaac he would be blessed and inherit the land of Canaan. Do you think God is a liar? Abraham certainly didn't, and that is probably what gave him confidence. Not only that, but there's a verse to suggest that Abraham even knew he was acting out prophecy.
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Defending The Faith - [link to www.e-sword.net] / [link to www.blueletterbible.org]
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Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Defending the Pre-Trib Rapture - [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] / [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 802124
11/7/2009 1:14 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
No!
I'd tell him he was an evil god for asking me to murder and that he was no god of mine. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 638079
11/7/2009 1:18 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
No |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:18 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
3. God was testing Abraham's faith.
Well, god created Abraham and knew EXACTLY what he would choose, regardless of his "free will."
God put Abraham through anguish for nothing -- that's abusive. Could you imagine doing that to someone you LOVE just to prove that they will do anything for you?
Fuck no; I doubt you're that cruel.
It's called prophecy. God was showing Abraham, and all of the reader's of this story, what God would do for us. Not only that, but God promised Abraham that through his son Isaac he would be blessed and inherit the land of Canaan. Do you think God is a liar? Abraham certainly didn't, and that is probably what gave him confidence. Not only that, but there's a verse to suggest that Abraham even knew he was acting out prophecy. Quoting: Goddrunk
Hmmmm...That sounds quite a bit like a gang initiation.
I'll give you everything you could possibly dream if you prove yourself capable of performing a heinous, vicious act. So god will do anything for us, so long as we prove ourselves capable of doing something he specifically says NOT to do in the first place?
Do you act like the god of the bible? Do you test your children or loved ones like he did? Why not? |
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ShadowFox
User ID: 807156
11/7/2009 1:19 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
If he is All-Loving, he would not ask for the sacrifice. If he is ALL-Knowing, he would not need to test Abraham. If he is All-Mighty, he would resurrect Isaac after the sacrifice. But a ram was sacrificed in place of man, so he has no regard for non-human life. He is a liar and an extra-terrestial with nice tech toys. The disciples of Abraham need to wake up to the lies of religion. |
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malu
User ID: 800077
11/7/2009 1:20 AM
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what kid?
*wink*
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Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 1:28 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I noticed everything you said contriction each other Quoting: 34
What? Human sacrifice?
Two problems:
1. God is not human, but became a man to fulfill the requirement of innocent blood being shed to atone for sin. No normal man is born of a virgin. If you believe so, then I am forced to conclude that you probably also believe that babies come from the stork; the tooth fairy, and santa clause.
2. Jesus is not dead, as would be if a regular man were killed. Jesus was raised from the dead the third day, as was prophesied. Contrary to cynics, Jesus was not a zombie. Jesus had a new body which allowed Him to do things such as leave a tomb that was enclosed with a huge boulder, enter a room that had a locked door, and even ascend back into Heaven. This is documented in the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Of course, you probably think these accounts are lies.
All of the animal sacrifices pointed to the coming Messiah who would be "cut off" (killed) for our sins. Daniel 9:25 and 26.
Innocent blood needed to be shed, that is why "unblemished" and "clean" animals would be sacrificed. As I said before, these all pointed to the last and final sacrifice through Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, who would "take away the sins of the world".
Show me in the Old Testament where someone had to shed their blood to atone for the sins of anyone. You can't find one. I promise you.
Last Edited by Goddrunk on 11/7/2009 at 1:32 AM
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Support our persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ - [link to www.releaseinternational.org]
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Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Defending the Pre-Trib Rapture - [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] / [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:33 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Innocent blood needed to be shed, that is why "unblemished" and "clean" animals would be sacrificed. As I said before, these all pointed to the last and final sacrifice through Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, which would "take away the sins of the world". Quoting: Goddrunk
God apparently created everything, so why would he create the "need for innocent blood to be shed" in the first place?
Honestly, what kind of sick person comes up with those ideas? If anything, make it a random act of kindness, not some sick twisted act of bloodletting/slaughter/murder.
Where's the love in that? |
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The Professor
User ID: 660063
11/7/2009 1:33 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Don't be a hypocrite and DO NOT AVOID THIS QUESTION, If God ask you just like abramham did to his son and passed his faith, would you do it?
Just answer yes or no
Period
If you don't answer, that mean your mind are in conflict and full of fear, which is why asking a child to be sacrifice doesn't come very often in the bible, which is why God called abramham "friend" rather "my children" Quoting: 34
The answer is no, hell no!
First, of all, a truly omniscient being would not have to test anyone; therefore the act of testing disproves the divinity of the requester.
Second, if God were not omniscient (contrary to what all Christians claim) but had to test one's commitment, I would not sacrifice my child for the sake of His/Her ego. I would defend my children with my life, and would not permit their slightest harm for any price. I would not, could not, sacrifice my own values for any mortal or any God. To that extent, I suppose I would be morally superior to the sort of God who would ask me to kill a child.
Third, I have no right to give any life but my own. The idea that I would show my faith by causing the death of another, be it my child, a stranger or even someone I disliked is both unjust and repulsive.
If I had been in Abraham's shoes, I would have asked God why He did not know what was in my heart since He was supposed to know everything. Then I would have reminded God that He made a big mistake when He told me to sacrifice my only son Isaac since I had another son Ishmael at the time (Bible scholars know what I am talking about). Then I would have told that phony God to kiss my mortal ass.
Does that answer your fucking question? |
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