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| Goddrunk
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11/7/2009 1:35 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Do you act like the god of the bible? Do you test your children or loved ones like he did? Why not? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
Are you really this ignorant? It was a prophecy being enacted. I said that already. God was showing Abraham what must be done through Jesus to save humanity.. Yeah, God is such a meanie-head, I know.
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| Sizzle
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11/7/2009 1:35 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
NO!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:36 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
The answer is no, hell no!
First, of all, a truly omniscient being would not have to test anyone; therefore the act of testing disproves the divinity of the requester.
Second, if God were not omniscient (contrary to what all Christians claim) but had to test one's commitment, I would not sacrifice my child for the sake of His/Her ego. I would defend my children with my life, and would not permit their slightest harm for any price. I would not, could not, sacrifice my own values for any mortal or any God. To that extent, I suppose I would be morally superior to the sort of God who would ask me to kill a child.
Third, I have no right to give any life but my own. The idea that I would show my faith by causing the death of another, be it my child, a stranger or even someone I disliked is both unjust and repulsive.
If I had been in Abraham's shoes, I would have asked God why He did not know what was in my heart since He was supposed to know everything. Then I would have reminded God that He made a big mistake when He told me to sacrifice my only son Isaac since I had another son Ishmael at the time (Bible scholars know what I am talking about). Then I would have told that phony God to kiss my mortal ass.
Does that answer your fucking question? Quoting: The Professor 660063
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 428255
11/7/2009 1:36 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I don`t have a children, but I wouldn`t even if i had. Why? I won`t believe it`s "god" - I`ll think it a form of mind control. |
| Turtles Know 
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11/7/2009 1:37 AM
 | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Don't be a hypocrite and DO NOT AVOID THIS QUESTION, If God ask you just like abramham did to his son and passed his faith, would you do it?
Just answer yes or no
Period
If you don't answer, that mean your mind are in conflict and full of fear, which is why asking a child to be sacrifice doesn't come very often in the bible, which is why God called abramham "friend" rather "my children" Quoting: 34
What a fucked up question. I mean, really.
But I gave a youngen, what have you given?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:39 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Do you act like the god of the bible? Do you test your children or loved ones like he did? Why not?
Are you really this ignorant? It was a prophecy being enacted. I said that already. God was showing Abraham what must be done through Jesus to save humanity.. Yeah, God is such a meanie-head, I know. Quoting: Goddrunk
"Prophecy" or not, was Abe aware of that at the time? Why the need for such a vicious way of showing a "prophecy"?
Why did Jesus' blood have to be shed in order to "save humanity"? Why didn't god just create a more gentle, loving way of teaching the people to live in love like...I don't know -- appearing before EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and EXPLAINING himself?
Why would any being choose fear-based solutions to problems instead of love-based? |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 1:41 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Innocent blood needed to be shed, that is why "unblemished" and "clean" animals would be sacrificed. As I said before, these all pointed to the last and final sacrifice through Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, which would "take away the sins of the world".
God apparently created everything, so why would he create the "need for innocent blood to be shed" in the first place?
Honestly, what kind of sick person comes up with those ideas? If anything, make it a random act of kindness, not some sick twisted act of bloodletting/slaughter/murder.
Where's the love in that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
God required it for sin, and the final action was on that cross. He could have just wiped us all out and said "To hell with them all"!
As the saying goes - You can lead a goat to water, but you can't make it drink!
This wasn't the topic, by the way. You know that. You know you were burned in the previous and primary topic, so you switch to another one.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:41 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
What a fucked up question. I mean, really.
But I gave a youngen, what have you given?
:steven: Quoting: Turtles Know
You didn't give up/sacrifice that beautiful boy, Turtles; it was simply his time.
No loving being would have asked that you endure his loss in order to "prove your faith." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:43 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
God required it for sin, and the final action was on that cross. He could have just wiped us all out and said "To hell with them all"!
As the saying goes - You can lead a goat to water, but you can't make it drink!
This wasn't the topic, by the way. You know that. You know you were burned in the previous and primary topic, so you switch to another one. Quoting: Goddrunk
...Or he could have done something completely different, like appear before everyone and told them SPECIFICALLY what he wanted of them.
He's the one that decided that blood needed to be exchanged to "clean the slate" in the first place.
I was burned in the previous and primary topic? Please, do show me how -- I'd love to know. Funny, I don't feel burned in the slightest...should I be? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812446
11/7/2009 1:44 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
OP,
You referring to the Abraham/Isaac thing? Did God actually make Abraham sacrifice his son? You've created a strawman argument based on your bias against Christians and Jews who believe in this story.
Problem with your argument: God wasn't actually going to let Abraham sacrifice his son.. Proof is that God stopped him before he went through with it.
Why? Three reasons:
1. God does not allow human sacrifice nor does human sacrifice make atonement for the sins, because sin passes from the father to the child. God had to come down from Heaven Himself, born from a virgin as Jesus was, to die for our sins. Jesus was the only one sinless and perfect as was Levitically required for the sacrificial lamb.
2. God was showing Abraham what He would later do for us through Jesus.
3. God was testing Abraham's faith.
So your straw man argument of going through with a child sacrifice for God is just that, a straw man argument! If you take the story out of context you will automatically come to the biased conclusion that God wanted Abraham to sacrifice his child. Quoting: Goddrunk
You didn't answer the question...would you kill your child if God asked you to?
You're seriously missing the point that it is F'd up for God to ask Abraham to do that then say "Haha, nah Abe I'm just fuckin' with ya! you don't have to kill Isaac, just testing you.
See how ridiculous that is? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 1:46 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
You didn't answer the question...would you kill your child if God asked you to?
You're seriously missing the point that it is F'd up for God to ask Abraham to do that then say "Haha, nah Abe I'm just fuckin' with ya! you don't have to kill Isaac, just testing you.
See how ridiculous that is? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812446
The sad thing is, he/she really doesn't see the ridiculousness of it.
I know; it's shocking, but that's how brainwashing works (I know, I used to be one of 'em.). |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 1:49 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
"Prophecy" or not, was Abe aware of that at the time? Why the need for such a vicious way of showing a "prophecy"?
Why did Jesus' blood have to be shed in order to "save humanity"? Why didn't god just create a more gentle, loving way of teaching the people to live in love like...I don't know -- appearing before EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and EXPLAINING himself?
Why would any being choose fear-based solutions to problems instead of love-based? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
Was Abe aware? Not sure. Probably.
Why show the prophecy this way? I guess to show us that a loving father will sacrifice his innocent and promised son for our sins?
Why did Jesus' blood have to be shed in order to "save humanity"? - So that in Him we can be reconciled with God. Jesus' death was our punishment, so when we believe in Him and what He did for us (what we deserve), then we are counted worthy of God through the belief that Jesus did this for us. Our original purpose was not to die, so God's Son had to die so that humanity could be restored back to it's normal purpose.
Why didn't god just create a more gentle, loving way of teaching the people to live in love like...I don't know -- appearing before EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and EXPLAINING himself? - Eventually Jesus will come back, and after He does, death will finally be put to death. There will be no more death. But at this time, we are still in a world of death, until such happens. If we do not believe in the sacrifice Jesus made for us, we will be punished for our sins, in the fire that is never quenched. Not because we have to go there, but because we did not accept the offer of the cross that God supplied for us through Jesus: so that means we pay the punishment, for eternity.
Why would any being choose fear-based solutions to problems instead of love-based? - Fear-based? You mean like telling someone if they jump off a tall cliff, they will go splat? Love-based is what Jesus did on that cross.
Last Edited by Goddrunk on 11/7/2009 at 1:55 AM
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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| 34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 1:49 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
You didn't answer the question...would you kill your child if God asked you to?
You're seriously missing the point that it is F'd up for God to ask Abraham to do that then say "Haha, nah Abe I'm just fuckin' with ya! you don't have to kill Isaac, just testing you.
See how ridiculous that is?
The sad thing is, he/she really doesn't see the ridiculousness of it.
I know; it's shocking, but that's how brainwashing works (I know, I used to be one of 'em.). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
yeah, I ask the question and they twist it around...I ask answer yes or no, is all I want lol |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 1:53 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
You didn't answer the question...would you kill your child if God asked you to?
You're seriously missing the point that it is F'd up for God to ask Abraham to do that then say "Haha, nah Abe I'm just fuckin' with ya! you don't have to kill Isaac, just testing you.
See how ridiculous that is? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812446
I did answer the question.. The answer is that his point is a just another straw man argument. Do you know what that means? It means something up that is totally off-base, and a fabrication. He's implying that God made Abraham sacrifice his child, which according to the book he slanders, God did not; which makes OP a liar and instigator, like Satan.
God asked Abraham to be faithful, so that he, and us, can see what God will do for us through Jesus, God's "only begotten Son".. Oh, gosh! God is sooo mean!!!
Yes, I see how ridiculous your argument is.
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Luke 21:36
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| Turtles Know
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11/7/2009 1:54 AM
| | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
What a fucked up question. I mean, really.
But I gave a youngen, what have you given?
You didn't give up/sacrifice that beautiful boy, Turtles; it was simply his time.
No loving being would have asked that you endure his loss in order to "prove your faith."
But in losing him, I learned about faith - so what do you call that?
I was a better person for knowing him and losing him. Must don't understand.
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812463
11/7/2009 1:55 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
The little "g" god who demanded that Abraham murder - um, "sacrifice" - his son was not God. Yahweh (Abraham's god) sent him from Ur; so, he was one of the being who brought Sumerian civilization forward - and more than a little psycho.
God, the Divine, Creative Intelligence of All That Is would not ask that of one of his worshippers. That is MY God.
I don't hold psychos up as worthy of my worship. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806865
:bump there is your answer ,: |
| 34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 1:55 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
You didn't answer the question...would you kill your child if God asked you to?
You're seriously missing the point that it is F'd up for God to ask Abraham to do that then say "Haha, nah Abe I'm just fuckin' with ya! you don't have to kill Isaac, just testing you.
See how ridiculous that is?
I did answer the question.. The answer is that his point is a just another straw man argument. Do you know what that means? It means something up that is totally off-base, and a fabrication. He's implying that God made Abraham sacrifice his child, which according to the book he slanders, God did not; which makes OP a liar and instigator, like Satan.
God asked Abraham to be faithful, so that he, and us, can see what God will do for us through Jesus, God's "only begotten Son".. Oh, gosh! God is sooo mean!!!
Yes, I see how ridiculous your argument is. Quoting: Goddrunk
I hate it when you used "straw man argument" to avoid the question, I ask will you do it or not and I also post the begining not to use "obivous!" |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 1:56 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
yeah, I ask the question and they twist it around...I ask answer yes or no, is all I want lol Quoting: 34
If anyone is twisting anything around here, it's you.
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 664542
11/7/2009 1:57 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Don't be a hypocrite and DO NOT AVOID THIS QUESTION, If God ask you just like abramham did to his son and passed his faith, would you do it?
Just answer yes or no
Period
If you don't answer, that mean your mind are in conflict and full of fear, which is why asking a child to be sacrifice doesn't come very often in the bible, which is why God called abramham "friend" rather "my children"
The answer is no, hell no!
First, of all, a truly omniscient being would not have to test anyone; therefore the act of testing disproves the divinity of the requester.
Second, if God were not omniscient (contrary to what all Christians claim) but had to test one's commitment, I would not sacrifice my child for the sake of His/Her ego. I would defend my children with my life, and would not permit their slightest harm for any price. I would not, could not, sacrifice my own values for any mortal or any God. To that extent, I suppose I would be morally superior to the sort of God who would ask me to kill a child.
Third, I have no right to give any life but my own. The idea that I would show my faith by causing the death of another, be it my child, a stranger or even someone I disliked is both unjust and repulsive.
If I had been in Abraham's shoes, I would have asked God why He did not know what was in my heart since He was supposed to know everything. Then I would have reminded God that He made a big mistake when He told me to sacrifice my only son Isaac since I had another son Ishmael at the time (Bible scholars know what I am talking about). Then I would have told that phony God to kiss my mortal ass.
Does that answer your fucking question? Quoting: The Professor 660063
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| 34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 2:00 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
yeah, I ask the question and they twist it around...I ask answer yes or no, is all I want lol
If anyone is twisting anything around here, it's you. Quoting: Goddrunk
lol....how? I ask the question
It amazing how sneaky your talk are |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 2:00 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Was Abe aware? Not sure. Probably.
Why show the prophecy this way? I guess to show us that a loving father will sacrifice his innocent and promised son for our sins?
Why did Jesus' blood have to be shed in order to "save humanity"? - So that in Him we can be reconciled with God. Jesus' death was our punishment, so when we believe in Him and what He did for us (what we deserve), then we are counted worthy of God through the belief that Jesus did this for us. Our original purpose was not to die, so God's Son had to die to do this for us.
Why didn't god just create a more gentle, loving way of teaching the people to live in love like...I don't know -- appearing before EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and EXPLAINING himself? - Eventually Jesus will come back, and after He does, death will finally be put to death. There will be no more death. But at this time, we are still in a world of death, until such happens. If we do not believe in the sacrifice Jesus made for us, we will be punished for our sins, in the fire that is never quenched. Not because we have to go there, but because we did not accept the offer of the cross that God supplied for us through Jesus: so that means we pay the punishment, for eternity.
Why would any being choose fear-based solutions to problems instead of love-based? - Fear-based? You mean like telling someone if they jump off a tall cliff, they will go splat? Love-based is what Jesus did on that cross. Quoting: Goddrunk
I understand why this all makes sense to you, since I grew up Catholic and the same dogma was crammed down my throat.
However, if you can't see the circular logic you're using, the excuses, the dogma, etc. then there's no point picking your posts apart.
The difference between us is simple: You believe what you were taught without question, whereas I sit back and try to see if all the pieces I've been given actually fit together. If they don't, I wonder why, then I begin a long, thorough search. That search takes me on quite the journey -- reading the texts of other religions, other belief systems , etc. |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 2:01 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I hate it when you used "straw man argument" to avoid the question, I ask will you do it or not and I also post the begining not to use "obivous!" Quoting: 34
What's obvious is your lack of common sense.. Or are you deliberately trying to spread a lie? If anything, you move around my statement, and pick and choose what you think you can start another lie over.
My answer in even simpler terms for you:
God would not require that I sacrifice my child, therefore I would not. If you would have actually read between the lines of my post, you would have come to the same conclusion.
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Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812446
11/7/2009 2:02 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
You didn't answer the question...would you kill your child if God asked you to?
You're seriously missing the point that it is F'd up for God to ask Abraham to do that then say "Haha, nah Abe I'm just fuckin' with ya! you don't have to kill Isaac, just testing you.
See how ridiculous that is?
I did answer the question.. The answer is that his point is a just another straw man argument. Do you know what that means? It means something up that is totally off-base, and a fabrication. He's implying that God made Abraham sacrifice his child, which according to the book he slanders, God did not; which makes OP a liar and instigator, like Satan.
God asked Abraham to be faithful, so that he, and us, can see what God will do for us through Jesus, God's "only begotten Son".. Oh, gosh! God is sooo mean!!!
Yes, I see how ridiculous your argument is. Quoting: Goddrunk
Ok Goddrunk, I know you do not like or disapprove of the question itself but just humor us and answer it...
Yes or No? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 2:07 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
No loving being would have asked that you endure his loss in order to "prove your faith."
But in losing him, I learned about faith - so what do you call that?
I was a better person for knowing him and losing him. Must don't understand. Quoting: Turtles Know
That's part of your life experience. If you found faith in a particular god, then that's the belief system or structure you chose to help you understand this life and all of its variables.
In the end, I don't believe it really matters. The energy you give out, you receive -- call that karma or whatever you want to. We absolutely do reap what we sow.
I believe you are better for having known and losing him; that's the "beauty" of life -- every experience has the potential to make us "better", so long as we choose to direct our energy that way. |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 2:11 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I understand why this all makes sense to you, since I grew up Catholic and the same dogma was crammed down my throat.
However, if you can't see the circular logic you're using, the excuses, the dogma, etc. then there's no point picking your posts apart.
The difference between us is simple: You believe what you were taught without question, whereas I sit back and try to see if all the pieces I've been given actually fit together. If they don't, I wonder why, then I begin a long, thorough search. That search takes me on quite the journey -- reading the texts of other religions, other belief systems , etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
I feel sorry for you. You never experienced Jesus truly. After all, you were a Catholic. The Babylon religion is that Catholic religion. Yes, you did have dogma crammed down your throat. My condolences.
Circular logic? We going into another topic, or do you care to explain what you're griping about?
Yes, the difference is very simple: I know the power of God through Jesus, you do not. You can though, but I doubt you will ever believe it so. Nothing wrong with believing what you're taught, when what you're taught is true. Did you believe when your teacher told you that two plus two equals four? I imagine you did, and you would be justified for doing such, because it is true -- two plus two does equal four!
Well, as someone once said - All religions do lead you to God! That's right, they do! They all eventually lead you to the judgment seat of God, but the only difference is that the Judge will be Jesus Christ.
Experience the true power of God by actually doing what God says, and see if you do not experience what God truly has to offer. The cliff is approaching!
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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| astratt7
User ID: 812472
11/7/2009 2:17 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Yes I would....
God is The Creator, and He can raise my son right back to life.
The point is, Abraham was Tested...God did not require him to die. God gave us His one and only Son and sacrificed Him to be a sin offering. Praise God! |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 2:19 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
Yes I would....
God is The Creator, and He can raise my son right back to life.
The point is, Abraham was Tested...God did not require him to die. God gave us His one and only Son and sacrificed Him to be a sin offering. Praise God! Quoting: astratt7
He means on an altar. Abraham was going to sacrifice his son as he would a lamb, or as it's written, a ram. God would not require this, so it's a straw man argument. Plain and simple.
John 14:6
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Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803742
11/7/2009 2:22 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
I understand why this all makes sense to you, since I grew up Catholic and the same dogma was crammed down my throat.
However, if you can't see the circular logic you're using, the excuses, the dogma, etc. then there's no point picking your posts apart.
The difference between us is simple: You believe what you were taught without question, whereas I sit back and try to see if all the pieces I've been given actually fit together. If they don't, I wonder why, then I begin a long, thorough search. That search takes me on quite the journey -- reading the texts of other religions, other belief systems , etc.
I feel sorry for you. You never experienced Jesus truly. After all, you were a Catholic. The Babylon religion is that Catholic religion. Yes, you did have dogma crammed down your throat. My condolences.
Circular logic? We going into another topic, or do you care to explain what you're griping about?
Yes, the difference is very simple: I know the power of God through Jesus, you do not. You can though, but I doubt you will ever believe it so. Nothing wrong with believing what you're taught, when what you're taught is true. Did you believe when your teacher told you that two plus two equals four? I imagine you did, and you would be justified for doing such, because it is true -- two plus two does equal four!
Well, as someone once said - All religions do lead you to God! That's right, they do! They all eventually lead you to the judgment seat of God, but the only difference is that the Judge will be Jesus Christ.
Experience the true power of God by actually doing what God says, and see if you do not experience what God truly has to offer. The cliff is approaching! Quoting: Goddrunk
As I said, there's no point picking your posts apart. You'll refute it with illogical arguments you've been taught in church or with bible quotes, chick tracts, etc. I've "danced" with Christians many a time on this board, and there's really no point. In the end, we'll agree to disagree anyway, and you'll never see any other viewpoint.
You do realize that Catholics would say the same about you? Oh -- and the Jews, Muslims, etc. I'm right, you're wrong, etc. It's all ego and fear-based -- that's what leads to war. You'd better listen to THIS (very vague) message, or you'll be rotting for eternity...Why doesn't god make it clear for EVERYONE to understand? He knows how valuable trust is to us as humans, he knows how many liars there are out there -- so why not save us ALL from those fiery pits by making his wishes WELL KNOWN?
One would think god wants mass confusion...but then that leads to wars, doesn't it, and we all know how god likes his "blood sacrifices."
How do I do what god says? Where do I look for that info? To a book that contradicts itself numerous times? Why would I trust that book? Because it tells me to? So do other books.
I live my life quite simply: I don't intentionally cause myself or others harm, and if I do accidentally harm another, I make up for it as best I can -- by owning the pain I caused and discussing with the "injured parties" on how best to make amends and how to avoid re-injuring them in the future.
We all have our own sense of right and wrong -- that is what I follow. Hell, I don't even follow laws and statutes; I follow my own moral code -- period. |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 811289
11/7/2009 2:58 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
As I said, there's no point picking your posts apart. You'll refute it with illogical arguments you've been taught in church or with bible quotes, chick tracts, etc. I've "danced" with Christians many a time on this board, and there's really no point. In the end, we'll agree to disagree anyway, and you'll never see any other viewpoint.
You do realize that Catholics would say the same about you? Oh -- and the Jews, Muslims, etc. I'm right, you're wrong, etc. It's all ego and fear-based -- that's what leads to war. You'd better listen to THIS (very vague) message, or you'll be rotting for eternity...Why doesn't god make it clear for EVERYONE to understand? He knows how valuable trust is to us as humans, he knows how many liars there are out there -- so why not save us ALL from those fiery pits by making his wishes WELL KNOWN?
One would think god wants mass confusion...but then that leads to wars, doesn't it, and we all know how god likes his "blood sacrifices."
How do I do what god says? Where do I look for that info? To a book that contradicts itself numerous times? Why would I trust that book? Because it tells me to? So do other books.
I live my life quite simply: I don't intentionally cause myself or others harm, and if I do accidentally harm another, I make up for it as best I can -- by owning the pain I caused and discussing with the "injured parties" on how best to make amends and how to avoid re-injuring them in the future.
We all have our own sense of right and wrong -- that is what I follow. Hell, I don't even follow laws and statutes; I follow my own moral code -- period. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803742
Yeah. I will never agree with your view, simply because I know the power of God through Jesus. I know what's in it for me, because God has answered very specific prayers, and God has showed me all manner of marvelous things. Hallelujah.
The difference between a Muslim, Jew, or Catholic telling me I'm wrong is that they'd be bluffing. I am not bluffing. I am sincere when I say that I know the power of God, and I am not mistaken by even an inch, because God has proven Himself to me time and time again. I might be wrong on a few doctrinal points here and there, but that's normal for a human to make small mistakes. I usually correct any wrong doctrine as soon as I find out it's wrong.
Why doesn't god make it clear for EVERYONE to understand? He knows how valuable trust is to us as humans, he knows how many liars there are out there -- so why not save us ALL from those fiery pits by making his wishes WELL KNOWN?
1. Satan does exist. He is a liar and the father of all lies. He is a thief, and a murderer, and was from the beginning.
2. Satan causes confusion by lying and adding to what God said.
3. Satan is the god of this world. Satan legally owns anyone who is not a child of God, "born again" of the Holy Spirit through belief in Jesus. God has the ultimate say, but man must participate in his own salvation by accepting the free gift. That is why some men can blow off the message of salvation, because God does not force anyone to be saved. Demons (also known as "fallen angels") do the bidding of Satan and serve no other purpose but to do as he does. Satan can only legally own unsaved people until his time is up (Which is soon. Thank God), then will God cast him into the pit to be bound for one thousand years. Only those who believe in the offer of salvation through Christ will make in into eternal life. Those previous to Jesus, who were a part of the Levitical sacrificial system, had to have lived righteous before God and trust that these animal sacrifices would atone for their sin. Problem is they had sacrifice many unblemished animals each year, which is not so with Jesus. He died once for all.
Conclusion: A time will come when Satan is no more, nor his angels, and there will be no more confusion. Until that time, Satan is still the god of this world, and those who are unsaved are his children, and will do his bidding until Satan's time is up.
but then that leads to wars, doesn't it, and we all know how god likes his "blood sacrifices."
You're taking what God requires out of context, on purpose. God does not require that humans die in wars to atone for sins. Sorry, but that's a lie. The only (final) sacrifice worthy was what Jesus did for us on that cross, none other.
How do I do what god says? Where do I look for that info?
Very simple. Realize you're a sinner, and you, like anyone else who does not accept atonement for their sins, are worthy of death and hell. Invite Jesus into your heart and life, to guide you with His Holy Spirit, and you shall see what life truly is. Of course, what I just said is probably absolute non-sense to you. Suit yourself.
To a book that contradicts itself numerous times? Why would I trust that book? Because it tells me to? So do other books.
I wonder how much of the Bible you've actually read, in context. I wonder how much of the Bible you've read with an honest heart to actually see whether these are truly contradictions or not, or with a bitter heart to disprove those "crazy Christian beliefs"? I've already pointed out to the OP an obvious lie he tries to push onto ignorant folks, but the problem is these type of lies will continue; because people love their ignorance more than anything. The even worse part is that many can not see past their ignorance, because it is impossible for a blind man to see unless God opens his eyes.
I live my life quite simply: I don't intentionally cause myself or others harm, and if I do accidentally harm another, I make up for it as best I can -- by owning the pain I caused and discussing with the "injured parties" on how best to make amends and how to avoid re-injuring them in the future.
We all have our own sense of right and wrong -- that is what I follow. Hell, I don't even follow laws and statutes; I follow my own moral code -- period.
No problem for me. Really, no skin off my back. I'll just leave you with this piece.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
No amount of good charity you do will save you from being judged by your sins. No sin will inherit the kingdom of God. The only place left is the lake.. Call it fear-based, call it whatever you want. All I know is that two plus two equals four, and I'm sticking with it.
Last Edited by Goddrunk on 11/7/2009 at 3:09 AM
John 14:6
Jesus saith... I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Support our persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ - [link to www.releaseinternational.org]
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2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Defending The Faith - [link to www.e-sword.net] / [link to www.blueletterbible.org]
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Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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| 34
User ID: 810861
11/7/2009 3:32 AM | | Re: If God ask you to sacrifice your child, would you do it? | Quote |
all I ask for yes or no and this turn into a goddrunk's forum... |
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