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| georgebushworstprezever
User ID: 177020
 Germany
11/8/2009 2:10 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Is Obama on live or was this Rose Garden speil from earlier? He is still blathering about the AMA. See my previous post on that.
AMA only represents 22% of the nation's physicians now. They lost a bunch of them around 2000 when they endorsed a product for MONEY and outraged their own members. Defunct organization with dues beyond the means of most young physicians these days. Quoting: Bluebird
Also....
Doctors on Coverage — Physicians’ Views on a New Public Insurance Option and Medicare Expansion
Posted by NEJM • September 14th, 2009
Salomeh Keyhani, M.D., M.P.H., and Alex Federman, M.D., M.P.H.
In the past few months, a key point of contention in the health care reform debate has been whether a public health insurance option should be included in the final legislation. Although polls have shown that 52 to 69% of Americans support such an option,1 the views of physicians are unclear. Physicians are critical stakeholders in health care reform and have been influential in shaping health policy throughout the history of organized medicine in the United States.2
The voices of physicians in the current debate have emanated almost exclusively from national physicians’ groups and societies. Like any special-interest group, these organizations claim to represent their members (and often nonmembers as well). The result is a well-established understanding of the interests of physicians’ societies but little, if any, understanding of views among physicians in general. Faced with this absence of empirical data, we conducted a national survey of physicians to inform federal policymakers about physicians’ views of proposed expansions of health care coverage.
In April 2009, we obtained data on a random sample of 6000 physicians from the American Medical Association (AMA) Physician Masterfile, which includes current data on all U.S. physicians. We excluded physicians from U.S. territories because health care reform may not be as relevant to them, and we excluded physicians in training because of their limited experience with insurance; a sample of 5157 physicians remained. We categorized physicians into four groups: primary care physicians (in internal medicine, pediatrics, or family practice); medical subspecialists, neurologists, and psychiatrists; surgical specialists and subspecialists; and other specialties. The survey instrument we used was developed with the input of an expert panel, and we conducted cognitive testing and pilot testing to ensure its clarity and relevance. (More detailed information about our methods can be found in the Supplementary Appendix, available with the full text of this article at NEJM.org.)
Survey respondents were asked to indicate which of three options for expanding health insurance coverage they would most strongly support: public and private options, providing people younger than 65 years of age the choice of enrolling in a new public health insurance plan (like Medicare) or in private plans; private options only, providing people with tax credits or subsidies, if they have low income, to buy private insurance coverage, without creating a new public plan; or a public option only, eliminating private insurance and covering everyone through a single public plan like Medicare. We also assessed the level of physician support for a proposal that would enable adults between the ages of 55 and 64 years to buy into the current Medicare program — a strategy that the Senate Finance Committee has proposed.
Data were also collected on additional variables that might be associated with preferences for different expansion options, such as time spent on clinical duties each week, whether physicians owned their own practice, salary status, and type of practice. The survey has been in the field for approximately 2 months (June 25, 2009, to September 3, 2009). All available data were analyzed on September 4, 2009. A third survey wave was initiated on August 27, 2009.
The final sample included 5157 physicians, but 221 of them had an incorrect or incomplete address or were deceased. Of the remaining 4936 physicians, 2130 returned the survey — a response rate of 43.2%. Women made up a smaller proportion of respondents than of nonrespondents (26.8% vs. 31.2%, P<0.001), and the average age of respondents was 1 year older than that of nonrespondents. There were no significant differences associated with practice location (census division or urban vs. rural setting), practice type, or specialty group. There were no significant differences in the characteristics of respondents to different survey waves (for details, see the Supplementary Appendix).
Overall, a majority of physicians (62.9%) supported public and private options (see Panel A of graph). Only 27.3% supported offering private options only. Respondents — across all demographic subgroups, specialties, practice locations, and practice types — showed majority support (>57.4%) for the inclusion of a public option (see Table 1). Primary care providers were the most likely to support a public option (65.2%); among the other specialty groups, the “other” physicians — those in fields that generally have less regular direct contact with patients, such as radiology, anesthesiology, and nuclear medicine — were the least likely to support a public option, though 57.4% did so. Physicians in every census region showed majority support for a public option, with percentages in favor ranging from 58.9% in the South to 69.7% in the Northeast. Practice owners were less likely than nonowners to support a public option (59.7% vs. 67.1%, P<0.001), but a majority still supported it. Finally, there was also majority support for a public option among AMA members (62.2%).
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remainder of report can be found at the following link:
[link to healthcarereform.nejm.org] |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
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11/8/2009 2:10 AM
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So people didnt know that the tax increases go to people earning a million bucks per annum, or that cost effectiveness hasnt been defined as pensioners losing their wheelchairs?
Time to widen your reading...
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 813168
 United States
11/8/2009 2:10 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Its like a surgeon reaching for a band-aid instead of his instruments to fix a severed neck artery ... |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:13 AM
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I am not positive they are all Dems but Griffith, Davis and Bachus from my state voted against it. I am pretty sure Griffith at leas is dem. Quoting: Bluebird
Vote for Bachus next term, a real insurance company stooge. I am surprised he voted against it. That's a positive signal.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 813168
United States
11/8/2009 2:14 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
...
The final sample included 5157 physicians, but 221 of them had an incorrect or incomplete address or were deceased. Of the remaining 4936 physicians, 2130 returned the survey ...
[ link to healthcarereform.nejm.org]
Hello.
Yes, this was the "less than 6000" that I spoke of before. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:18 AM
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This is a great day for America.
Fuck you.
Get a fucking job.
Quit relying on the government you fucking sissy.
Way to generalize about someone you don't know, dickhead.
I have a job. And I pay for my own insurance thank you very much fuckface.
And now you will get to pay for that of several others as well, lol!
They have to have everybody paying those govt premiums to pay for the ones that will be treated for free, like non U.S. citizens that are in this country. No, you do NOT have to be a citizen to be covered. Only claim to be in the country LEGALLY and you get coverage. Quoting: Bluebird
Not everyone gets a million bucks a year, Bluebird. So where do you get off saying EVERYBODY will pay? |
| Bluebird 
User ID: 730536
United States
11/8/2009 2:19 AM
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Con. Parker Griffith is one of the Dems who voted against it.
I know him personally and guess what? He is an oncologists, lol. Treated my SIL.
[link to griffith.house.gov]
Another Dem who voted against it is Artur Davis also from my state.
And Spencer Bachus did but was expected as he is Repub.
But that would be two of the dems, Griffith and Artur Davis.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| georgebushworstprezever
User ID: 177020
Germany
11/8/2009 2:21 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
partisan vote and even the dems weren't all for it.
They will say it was bi-partisan as one republican voted yes.
Fuckers Quoting: PACNWguy
Another failed prediction for you I see. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810683
United States
11/8/2009 2:21 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
GO TO THIS LINK TO SEE HOW MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTED...SO YOU WILL KNOW HOW TO VOTE AT THE NEXT ELECTION....GET MY DRIFT?
LINK:
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Regards,
Seawitch |
| georgebushworstprezever
User ID: 177020
Germany
11/8/2009 2:22 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Well shit, they passed it.
The majority of Americans wanted and voted for health care reform (Obama's mandate). But I doubt what we are getting is what was expected... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
I agree with that sentiment mostly. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:22 AM
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Or someone who thought that they might one day become a neurosurgeon may decide not to after all ....
It is not worth the risk and liability forced on them by having treatments dictated by govt bureaucrats who are only trying to reduce costs. Quoting: Bluebird
I thought bureaucrats didnt care about costs? You are contradicting yourself. Actually bureaucrats follow legislation, not a bottom line. You are thinking of corporate number crunchers..... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 813168
United States
11/8/2009 2:23 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Lawyers.
Doctors.
Lobbyists.
CEOs.
Giant corporations.
Professional politicians.
Party lines.
Entrenched power.
The show.
The games.
The lies.
The deception ...
I hate it all.
I just want to help the sick, one patient at a time, one day at a time.
Be well everyone.
I hope and pray that everyone has the best care that they can possibly have when the time comes ... |
| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/8/2009 2:23 AM
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This is a great day for America.
Fuck you.
Get a fucking job.
Quit relying on the government you fucking sissy.
Way to generalize about someone you don't know, dickhead.
I have a job. And I pay for my own insurance thank you very much fuckface.
And now you will get to pay for that of several others as well, lol!
They have to have everybody paying those govt premiums to pay for the ones that will be treated for free, like non U.S. citizens that are in this country. No, you do NOT have to be a citizen to be covered. Only claim to be in the country LEGALLY and you get coverage.
Not everyone gets a million bucks a year, Bluebird. So where do you get off saying EVERYBODY will pay? Quoting: AlreadyBugged
NOW what are you babbling about? See Page 252 for the table. If you make 130% of the poverty level, you pay. That's about $1400 a month. What are you talking about a million bucks.
You are totally obnoxious with that smart mouth of yours to be so utterly off on EVERYTHING you say.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:23 AM
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Well shit, they passed it.
The majority of Americans wanted and voted for health care reform (Obama's mandate). But I doubt what we are getting is what was expected...
I agree with that sentiment mostly. Quoting: georgebushworstprezever 177020
Thx. I usually agree with yours as well.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810683
United States
11/8/2009 2:23 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
GO TO THIS LINK TO SEE HOW MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTED...SO YOU WILL KNOW HOW TO VOTE AT THE NEXT ELECTION....GET MY DRIFT?
LINK:
[ link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Regards,
Seawitch
You can click on the heading of each columnn and the report will be sorted in that order.
I sorted by state so you can see just whom and how your representatives voted, then click on the name and you get their picture. |
| georgebushworstprezever
User ID: 177020
Germany
11/8/2009 2:25 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Now I am TWICE as glad Alabama beat LSU today. 24 to 15 so by more than this bill passed. Quoting: Bluebird
Yeah....like that's really relevant. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810683
United States
11/8/2009 2:26 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Well shit, they passed it.
The majority of Americans wanted and voted for health care reform (Obama's mandate). But I doubt what we are getting is what was expected...
I agree with that sentiment mostly.
Thx. I usually agree with yours as well.... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
Agreed, more of the Bush policy in effect. The rich will get richer and the middle class disappears. I just hope everyone learns from the above postings. Remember these are the guys that have burdened you and your family for life. No great changes because the cost and requirements are going to take the rest of what you have.
GO TO THIS LINK TO SEE HOW MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTED...SO YOU WILL KNOW HOW TO VOTE AT THE NEXT ELECTION....GET MY DRIFT?
LINK:
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Regards,
Seawitch |
| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/8/2009 2:26 AM
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I am not positive they are all Dems but Griffith, Davis and Bachus from my state voted against it. I am pretty sure Griffith at leas is dem.
Vote for Bachus next term, a real insurance company stooge. I am surprised he voted against it. That's a positive signal.... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
Now you have the WRONG Bachus! This one is Spencer and is congressman. I believe you are speaking of the Senator who has that same last name.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:26 AM
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This is a great day for America.
Fuck you.
Get a fucking job.
Quit relying on the government you fucking sissy.
Way to generalize about someone you don't know, dickhead.
I have a job. And I pay for my own insurance thank you very much fuckface.
And now you will get to pay for that of several others as well, lol!
They have to have everybody paying those govt premiums to pay for the ones that will be treated for free, like non U.S. citizens that are in this country. No, you do NOT have to be a citizen to be covered. Only claim to be in the country LEGALLY and you get coverage.
Not everyone gets a million bucks a year, Bluebird. So where do you get off saying EVERYBODY will pay?
NOW what are you babbling about? See Page 252 for the table. If you make 130% of the poverty level, you pay. That's about $1400 a month. What are you talking about a million bucks.
You are totally obnoxious with that smart mouth of yours to be so utterly off on EVERYTHING you say. Quoting: Bluebird
I am talking about tax increases will be limited to million dollar silver spooners. lol So what is it you are talking about? Oh, premiums... I hate premiums... Strike them totally I say. It is just a sop to the insurance companies..
How much will they pay Bluebird?
Actually I have caught you lying or exaggerating on a couple of points already. Because I CHECK up on what you say. Obnoxious for suuuureeeeeee....
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| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/8/2009 2:32 AM
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This is a great day for America.
Fuck you.
Get a fucking job.
Quit relying on the government you fucking sissy.
Way to generalize about someone you don't know, dickhead.
I have a job. And I pay for my own insurance thank you very much fuckface.
And now you will get to pay for that of several others as well, lol!
They have to have everybody paying those govt premiums to pay for the ones that will be treated for free, like non U.S. citizens that are in this country. No, you do NOT have to be a citizen to be covered. Only claim to be in the country LEGALLY and you get coverage.
Not everyone gets a million bucks a year, Bluebird. So where do you get off saying EVERYBODY will pay?
NOW what are you babbling about? See Page 252 for the table. If you make 130% of the poverty level, you pay. That's about $1400 a month. What are you talking about a million bucks.
You are totally obnoxious with that smart mouth of yours to be so utterly off on EVERYTHING you say.
I am talking about tax increases will be limited to million dollar silver spooners. lol So what is it you are talking about? Oh, premiums... I hate premiums... Strike them totally I say. It is just a sop to the insurance companies..
How much will they pay Bluebird?
Actually I have caught you lying or exaggerating on a couple of points already. Because I CHECK up on what you say. Obnoxious for suuuureeeeeee.... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
No you haven't or you would have posted it. Here's your chance. Post what I have lied about as I have provided links as usual for what I have said. Unlike you.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:33 AM
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Bluebird, I am researching the premiums people pay now, and all the extra costs, and the yearly cost increases of premiums and projected costs into the future if things dont change... and the caps on the public option etc,,,,
We need a wider understanding then you are offering...
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| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:37 AM
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This is a great day for America.
Fuck you.
Get a fucking job.
Quit relying on the government you fucking sissy.
Way to generalize about someone you don't know, dickhead.
I have a job. And I pay for my own insurance thank you very much fuckface.
And now you will get to pay for that of several others as well, lol!
They have to have everybody paying those govt premiums to pay for the ones that will be treated for free, like non U.S. citizens that are in this country. No, you do NOT have to be a citizen to be covered. Only claim to be in the country LEGALLY and you get coverage.
Not everyone gets a million bucks a year, Bluebird. So where do you get off saying EVERYBODY will pay?
NOW what are you babbling about? See Page 252 for the table. If you make 130% of the poverty level, you pay. That's about $1400 a month. What are you talking about a million bucks.
You are totally obnoxious with that smart mouth of yours to be so utterly off on EVERYTHING you say.
I am talking about tax increases will be limited to million dollar silver spooners. lol So what is it you are talking about? Oh, premiums... I hate premiums... Strike them totally I say. It is just a sop to the insurance companies..
How much will they pay Bluebird?
Actually I have caught you lying or exaggerating on a couple of points already. Because I CHECK up on what you say. Obnoxious for suuuureeeeeee....
No you haven't or you would have posted it. Here's your chance. Post what I have lied about as I have provided links as usual for what I have said. Unlike you. Quoting: Bluebird
No, I have provided links. You havent backed up your claim that pensioners will lose wheelchairs. Or that fines and jail are for tax evaders, or that tax increases are for million dollar daddys, not ordinary folk. And now you claim premiums will increase. I am checking up on that. The thrust of your arguments, so far, are to deceive. Not inform..... |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:42 AM
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Premiums...
The bill’s review from the Congressional Budget Office last week estimated it would cover 94% of eligible Americans and reduce the federal deficit. But the PriceWaterhouse studys specifically aimed at measuring the cost burden for privately insured individuals.
they say that private premiums will increase. as in insurance companies will raise their premiums. nothing new there, that's what they always do,,,, What they dont say is if they do, people will opt for the public option (if it exists), so that should dampen that temptation....right
Isnt that right? |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:48 AM
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furthermore...
[The PwC study] concluded that a combination of factors in the bill – and decisions by lawmakers as they amended it – would raise costs.
The chief reason, said the report, is a decision by lawmakers to weaken proposed penalties for failing to get health insurance. The bill would require insurers to take all applicants, doing away with denials for pre-existing health problems. In return, all Americans would be required to carry coverage, either through an employer or a government program, or by buying it themselves.
But the CBO estimated that even with new federal subsidies, some 17 million Americans would still be unable to afford health insurance. Faced with that affordability problem, senators opted to ease the fines for going without coverage from the levels Baucus originally proposed. The industry says that will only let people postpone getting coverage until they get sick.
So the poor insurance companies got less from the politicians than what they paid, errr wanted. And now they threaten to raise premiums. BS! Damn them! Get them out of Washington (and healthcare) altogether!
Which politicians were representing the insurance companies?
Never mind, most of them, right?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810683
United States
11/8/2009 2:54 AM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
sadly most people have absolutely no idea what has just happen to them. Our health insurance this year wants an increase of 32 percent, and this was before the healthcare vote. It will be amazing how expensive it's going to be.
I would say that you are probably looking at least 500 to 700 more a month out of earnings to pay, health care premiums and taxes. WOW |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 2:57 AM
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I am not positive they are all Dems but Griffith, Davis and Bachus from my state voted against it. I am pretty sure Griffith at leas is dem.
Vote for Bachus next term, a real insurance company stooge. I am surprised he voted against it. That's a positive signal....
Now you have the WRONG Bachus! This one is Spencer and is congressman. I believe you are speaking of the Senator who has that same last name. Quoting: Bluebird
An innocent misunderstanding from what the other poster stated. Are you really human, or just a machine scanning for inconsequential errors? |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 3:05 AM
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sadly most people have absolutely no idea what has just happen to them. Our health insurance this year wants an increase of 32 percent, and this was before the healthcare vote. It will be amazing how expensive it's going to be.
I would say that you are probably looking at least 500 to 700 more a month out of earnings to pay, health care premiums and taxes. WOW Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810683
How did you come to this figure? Apparently we (most) will not suffer the tax increases. And the premiums will be capped, apparently. And there is a market driven dampening effect on the temptation for insurance companies to pass on their (supposed) higher costs. And the point is to slow down or relieve taxpayers and insurance payers of exploding costs as they are projected to increase into the future. I havent investigated opened ended payroll deductions, if that is a "tax" I dont know about. Not saying you are entirely wrong, I would just like to know where you get your figures...
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| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/8/2009 3:16 AM
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This is a great day for America.
Fuck you.
Get a fucking job.
Quit relying on the government you fucking sissy.
Way to generalize about someone you don't know, dickhead.
I have a job. And I pay for my own insurance thank you very much fuckface.
And now you will get to pay for that of several others as well, lol!
They have to have everybody paying those govt premiums to pay for the ones that will be treated for free, like non U.S. citizens that are in this country. No, you do NOT have to be a citizen to be covered. Only claim to be in the country LEGALLY and you get coverage.
Not everyone gets a million bucks a year, Bluebird. So where do you get off saying EVERYBODY will pay?
NOW what are you babbling about? See Page 252 for the table. If you make 130% of the poverty level, you pay. That's about $1400 a month. What are you talking about a million bucks.
You are totally obnoxious with that smart mouth of yours to be so utterly off on EVERYTHING you say.
I am talking about tax increases will be limited to million dollar silver spooners. lol So what is it you are talking about? Oh, premiums... I hate premiums... Strike them totally I say. It is just a sop to the insurance companies..
How much will they pay Bluebird?
Actually I have caught you lying or exaggerating on a couple of points already. Because I CHECK up on what you say. Obnoxious for suuuureeeeeee....
No you haven't or you would have posted it. Here's your chance. Post what I have lied about as I have provided links as usual for what I have said. Unlike you.
No, I have provided links. You havent backed up your claim that pensioners will lose wheelchairs. Or that fines and jail are for tax evaders, or that tax increases are for million dollar daddys, not ordinary folk. And now you claim premiums will increase. I am checking up on that. The thrust of your arguments, so far, are to deceive. Not inform..... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
I did not say wheelchairs but power chairs as they are not cost effective when a manual one will do.
YOU are the ONLY one talking about millionaires and taxes, I certainly have not and don't know what you are talking about. Read page 297 of the bill for the 2.5% tax for those who do not have coverage for yourself. I have not said premiums would increase, either.
Are you claiming that a person who has no premium or coverage right now will not experience an increase in premiums? That's nuts. How can they not for people not carrying insurance right now when they are forced to do so.
They will be set based on income and will increase for many people. The table is on 252 of the bill. You are just blowing smoke. Go blow it up somebody else's ass because I have backed up everything I have said.
And am watching a movie.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| AlreadyBugged
User ID: 809595
Mexico
11/8/2009 3:20 AM
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I did not say wheelchairs but power chairs as they are not cost effective when a manual one will do.
Fine manual chairs, instead of powerchairs. You got a link to that tidbit definition of cost effective? Thought not. Your speculations on what will be dont count, Bluebird,,,
As for the rest of your comments on premiums, I have already gone over them, what with caps, and lower than the present cost increases, and tax increases on millionaires, not us. And even a little economic lesson on market forces limiting costs (the public option should counteract insurance companies forcing you to pay more). You are free to look back and comment...
And what do you think of that PriceWaterhouse study that thoroughly exposes the insurance companies agenda? At least some politicians resisted it, to some extent....
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| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/8/2009 3:32 AM
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I did not say wheelchairs but power chairs as they are not cost effective when a manual one will do.
Fine manual chairs, instead of powerchairs. You got a link to that tidbit definition of cost effective? Thought not. Your speculations on what will be dont count, Bluebird,,,
As for the rest of your comments on premiums, I have already gone over them, what with caps, and lower than the present cost increases, and tax increases on millionaires, not us. And even a little economic lesson on market forces limiting costs (the public option should counteract insurance companies forcing you to pay more). You are free to look back and comment... Quoting: AlreadyBugged
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Here is you a whole thread starting with an article from WSJ on the actual bill.
Let's see. . . I have been dealing with billing procedures with Medicare and Medicaid for about 25 years and so have some idea of what they will cover and what they will not but you will find out for yourself some day.
Now go read that article at the beginning of that thread and enjoy.
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