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User ID: 628959
11/7/2009 1:12 PM
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This is not a bill for health care, it seems more like a way for the US government to get money from the American people to pay thier bills. Not give health care to people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812695
No doubt about it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812590
11/7/2009 1:13 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
When is THE VOTE?
In about 15 minutes.. But the way the Dems are talking, it's sounds like they know it's gonna pass. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 766561 |
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Frostradamus
User ID: 810557
11/7/2009 1:13 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
I see a little box in the top right corner of my screen full of false prophets |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/7/2009 1:14 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Since this thread is nothing but raving conservatives, I'll give you something to focus your spewing hatred on:
The reason this bill sucks so bad is because the conservatives are too stupid to see that single-payer (like Canada) is a GOOD thing, one that actually puts people before profit. So the conservatives (as usual) lined up against their own interests, based on Limbaugh lies, and helped the insurance companies get everything they wanted out of this bill. Now we'll all be forced to buy from those bloodsucking bastards and our medical quality will continue to go down. Thanks a lot, morons.
Have you read the comments from Canadians in this thread ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812671
I can only speak for myself, but I would like to make it CLEAR that I don't fit into YOUR target demographic.
I think the R's in there, the "conservatives" are JUST as corrupt as the D's.
Limbaugh is as stupid as Beck is as stupid as Lou Dobbs, is as stupid as the rest of the ilk. IT IS ALL LIES.
I don't have "healthcare", I don't WANT it, I WILL NOT TAKE IT, and it WILL NOT BE FORCED ON ME.
If I have to claim religious exemption by ways of Jesus, or a Spaghetti Monster or whatever, I claim fucking exemption.
This is a fucking tax.
This is a lash out at the poor.
This is a power grab that will decide what goes in your veins, how much, and when, and how many times.
This is sickening, it is a ploy, a fucking HORSE OF TROY.
THIS is un-American by EITHER SIDE, WHOMEVER SUPPORTS IT.
You want to give everyone FREE HEALTH CARE? That is one thing.
You want to get richer, make your bed buddy lobbyists and business ties richer, and CALL IT healthcare? On my dime?
FUCK YOU. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 550635
11/7/2009 1:14 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Phone numbers dont work. Bullshit |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812671
11/7/2009 1:16 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
812671
Do you actually live in Canada?
Are system is not all it is made out to be. We have no doctors here. Our waits for doctors (specialists in particular) is pathetic.
Let me put it this way a little while ago i posted how i had to go to the states to get some answers to a medical issue i was having.
If i would have waited for the doctors here in Canada. I'd be dead right now, so no it's not all it is cracked up to be. If our government would grow the fuck up and pay our doctors properly I think our problems here in canada with health care would be alot lower.
In principal our system is great, it's just run by idiots who brains are stcuk on stupid. Quoting: Trayen11
I think you meant to be addressing you post to 677020 not me. |
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Bluebird
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 1:16 PM
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The vote they are casting at the moment I THINK is a procedural vote I think to stop the discusion and go on to vote on the bill but I am not sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
I think it is procedural as well but am afraid it is to agree to the "rules of debate" which allows for a four hour debate. At least that is how I am following this.
THEN they would actually vote.
I hope I am wrong as I have to do grocery shopping some time today and can't tear myself away from this, lol. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812695
11/7/2009 1:16 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Nasty Peloser needs to glue her dentures in a little tighter...
Making a slipping sound there. Quoting: Mister Obvious
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Trayen11
User ID: 812748
11/7/2009 1:17 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Seriously the people here saying the Canadian health care system is great, need a fucking clue, or stop watching "Sicko"
Our system has the potential to be great but it's run poorley, and buy fucking retards.
Canadian health care system is not great considering the amount of taxes we fork out to the governemnt to implement said program.
Life is not about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward.
Words to live and die by in these trying times. |
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Frostradamus
User ID: 810557
11/7/2009 1:18 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Seriously the people here saying the Canadian health care system is great, need a fucking clue, or stop watching "Sicko"
Our system has the potential to be great but it's run poorley, and buy fucking retards.
Canadian health care system is not great considering the amount of taxes we fork out to the governemnt to implement said program. Quoting: Trayen11
How many retards did you purchase? |
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Trayen11
User ID: 812748
11/7/2009 1:19 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
812671
Do you actually live in Canada?
Are system is not all it is made out to be. We have no doctors here. Our waits for doctors (specialists in particular) is pathetic.
Let me put it this way a little while ago i posted how i had to go to the states to get some answers to a medical issue i was having.
If i would have waited for the doctors here in Canada. I'd be dead right now, so no it's not all it is cracked up to be. If our government would grow the fuck up and pay our doctors properly I think our problems here in canada with health care would be alot lower.
In principal our system is great, it's just run by idiots who brains are stcuk on stupid.
I think you meant to be addressing you post to 677020 not me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812671
Yes I did, my bad.
Life is not about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward.
Words to live and die by in these trying times. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 64458
11/7/2009 1:19 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
You who are for this bill, do you not understand?
It will be EXACTLY like when Government got into our retirement program: They stole all the Social Security! The babyboomers would be getting twice the amount they are getting today and it would ALL be funded by their own contributions IF THE GOVERNMENT HADN'T STOLEN IT ALL!!!
THAT is why they want to be the healthcare insurer: TO STEAL ALL THE MONEY NOW GOING TO THOSE INSURANCE COMPANIES. DON'T YOU GET IT? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 744635
11/7/2009 1:19 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
if it passes get ready for a mass emmigration of wealth, middle class and money from this country
the dollar is gonna tank
you all know what this means Quoting: Avian
It means that ticktock you're a pessimistic doom-ass that looks for the bad in everything. ticktock leave the fucking country if you're so sure it's doomed. |
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Trayen11
User ID: 812748
11/7/2009 1:19 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Seriously the people here saying the Canadian health care system is great, need a fucking clue, or stop watching "Sicko"
Our system has the potential to be great but it's run poorley, and buy fucking retards.
Canadian health care system is not great considering the amount of taxes we fork out to the governemnt to implement said program.
How many retards did you purchase? Quoting: Frostradamus
LMAO sorry about the typo
BY not BUY
Life is not about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward.
Words to live and die by in these trying times. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812671
11/7/2009 1:19 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Since this thread is nothing but raving conservatives, I'll give you something to focus your spewing hatred on:
The reason this bill sucks so bad is because the conservatives are too stupid to see that single-payer (like Canada) is a GOOD thing, one that actually puts people before profit. So the conservatives (as usual) lined up against their own interests, based on Limbaugh lies, and helped the insurance companies get everything they wanted out of this bill. Now we'll all be forced to buy from those bloodsucking bastards and our medical quality will continue to go down. Thanks a lot, morons.
Have you read the comments from Canadians in this thread ?
I can only speak for myself, but I would like to make it CLEAR that I don't fit into YOUR target demographic.
I think the R's in there, the "conservatives" are JUST as corrupt as the D's.
Limbaugh is as stupid as Beck is as stupid as Lou Dobbs, is as stupid as the rest of the ilk. IT IS ALL LIES.
I don't have "healthcare", I don't WANT it, I WILL NOT TAKE IT, and it WILL NOT BE FORCED ON ME.
If I have to claim religious exemption by ways of Jesus, or a Spaghetti Monster or whatever, I claim fucking exemption.
This is a fucking tax.
This is a lash out at the poor.
This is a power grab that will decide what goes in your veins, how much, and when, and how many times.
This is sickening, it is a ploy, a fucking HORSE OF TROY.
THIS is un-American by EITHER SIDE, WHOMEVER SUPPORTS IT.
You want to give everyone FREE HEALTH CARE? That is one thing.
You want to get richer, make your bed buddy lobbyists and business ties richer, and CALL IT healthcare? On my dime?
FUCK YOU. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 686411
I think you meant to be addressing you post to 677020 not me.
I AGREE WITH YOU. |
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Bluebird
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 1:20 PM
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Obama on to declare victory just as Pelosi did.
Remember he has been just fascinated with pandemics for years, only thing he ever did in senate was urge draconian laws to deal with them. |
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Inita Richman
User ID: 797720
11/7/2009 1:20 PM
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IMO this isn't about caring for the people without healhcare. It's just another way for the government to take control. This won't stop. They now own banks, the auto industry and now they will own insurance.
We are no longer the "land of the free" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798834
11/7/2009 1:21 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Traitors! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812590
11/7/2009 1:21 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
if it passes get ready for a mass emmigration of wealth, middle class and money from this country
the dollar is gonna tank
you all know what this means
It means that ticktock you're a pessimistic doom-ass that looks for the bad in everything. ticktock leave the fucking country if you're so sure it's doomed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744635 |
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PACNWguy
User ID: 688273
11/7/2009 1:22 PM
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They are voting on whether to include the amendments like the one to strip out abortion. If these amendments don't pass, it appears that the bill won't be able to pass tonight.
Threre are some dems that won't vote without the amendments.
OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY |
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Bluebird
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 1:23 PM
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Obama bragging about all the orgs he claims support this bill.
Last polls showed the American people strongly oppose it. And by a huge majority. But the individual can't be bought off the way the heads of orgs can.
For example AARP sells gap insurance to cover what this plan will not such as deductibles and co-pays. They would stand to sell hundreds of thousands of policies especiallly with the drastic cuts to medicare.
It's all total corruption ChicagoLand style. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 686411
11/7/2009 1:23 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Since this thread is nothing but raving conservatives, I'll give you something to focus your spewing hatred on:
The reason this bill sucks so bad is because the conservatives are too stupid to see that single-payer (like Canada) is a GOOD thing, one that actually puts people before profit. So the conservatives (as usual) lined up against their own interests, based on Limbaugh lies, and helped the insurance companies get everything they wanted out of this bill. Now we'll all be forced to buy from those bloodsucking bastards and our medical quality will continue to go down. Thanks a lot, morons.
Have you read the comments from Canadians in this thread ?
I can only speak for myself, but I would like to make it CLEAR that I don't fit into YOUR target demographic.
I think the R's in there, the "conservatives" are JUST as corrupt as the D's.
Limbaugh is as stupid as Beck is as stupid as Lou Dobbs, is as stupid as the rest of the ilk. IT IS ALL LIES.
I don't have "healthcare", I don't WANT it, I WILL NOT TAKE IT, and it WILL NOT BE FORCED ON ME.
If I have to claim religious exemption by ways of Jesus, or a Spaghetti Monster or whatever, I claim fucking exemption.
This is a fucking tax.
This is a lash out at the poor.
This is a power grab that will decide what goes in your veins, how much, and when, and how many times.
This is sickening, it is a ploy, a fucking HORSE OF TROY.
THIS is un-American by EITHER SIDE, WHOMEVER SUPPORTS IT.
You want to give everyone FREE HEALTH CARE? That is one thing.
You want to get richer, make your bed buddy lobbyists and business ties richer, and CALL IT healthcare? On my dime?
FUCK YOU.
I think you meant to be addressing you post to 677020 not me.
I AGREE WITH YOU. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812671
Yes that was addressed to the poster who said what was in YOUR quote, do not take offense from me, everyone knows who I meant it towards.
PEACE TO ALL WITH COMMON SENSE
HORSE OF TROY. LIVE ON TV. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 793418
11/7/2009 1:24 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
The 2% profits the insurance companies make are going to be absolutely nothing compared to the waste and fraud in a government run plan.
Obama says there are billions and billions of fraud in Medicare alone. So now we will have trillions and trillions in waste and fraud and inefficiency because the government always does.
I'd rather the insurance companies make a reasonable profit than the government totally screw it up.
See how they have handled swine flu vaccine for example of government corruption at work. Now our whole healthcare will be handled like this. Some joker forgot to order enough in time even on a damned flu vaccine and yet we should trust them with our lives? Quoting: Bluebird
I agree totally. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812671
11/7/2009 1:24 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Trayen11. 686411
I'm sorry, but the way I worded my post caused it to be misinterpreted.
I AM 100% AGAINST THIS BILL.
The comments from Canadians I read on this thread were all negative about their system. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812729
11/7/2009 1:24 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
"We were graced totad with the presence of the President"
Someone should tell these people that he is just a man, not a god. Quoting: Trayen11
We were DISgraced today |
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georgebushworstprezever
User ID: 177020
11/7/2009 1:25 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
Wow, and I thought the way the Canadian Health system was bad. If this one is passed for you in the States is just brutal.
I can't believe this even got as far as it has already. This is not a bill for health care, it seems more like a way for the US government to get money from the American people to pay thier bills. Not give health care to people.
But thats just my opinion I dont live in the states, I live in Canada. Quoting: Trayen11
Many Canadians disagree with you. I had posted the following previously on another thread on the same subject matter....
Now, regarding the health care comparison between Canada and the U.S., here’s some data from their Organization for Cooperation and Development (OECD) from their 2009 Health Data Report, based on 2007 data. As you can see, the US lags in several categories.
Life expectancy –
CA 80.7 years
US 78.1 years
Infant mortality rate –
CA 5.0
US 6.7
Physicians per 1000 people –
CA 2.2
US 2.4
Nurses per 1000 people –
CA 9.0
US 10.6
Per capita expenditure on health care –
CA $3,895 (US$)
US $7,290
Health care costs as percent of GDP –
CA 10.1%
US 16.0%
Percent of govt. revenue spent on health care –
CA 16.7%
US 18.5%
Percent of health costs paid by govt. –
CA 69.8%
US 45.4%
[link to www.oecd.org]
For an in-depth look at the Canadian experience with health care, check out this report entitled “Healthy Canadians, A Federal Report on Comparable Health Indicators” (2008) at the link shown below. I’d just like to point out a few key findings to shed some light on the prior poster’s point, particularly with regard to his comment about wait times.
9. Self-reported patient satisfaction
with overall health care services
(From page 30)
Results: In 2007, 85.2% of Canadians (84.9% of males and 85.4% of females)reported being “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way overall health care services were provided. Satisfaction with overall health services remains high, with the rate essentially unchanged from those reported in previous periods.
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) dataare not directly comparable to the data presented in the graph, Self-Reported Patient Satisfaction with Overall Health Care Services, as the OECD used a
different scale to measure satisfaction. In addition, because reference years for OECD data differ according to the country, differences between countries must also be interpreted with caution.
Considering G7 countries in 2007, the United States had a high percentage of respondents (34%) who felt that their health care system should be completely rebuilt, followed by Germany (27%), the United Kingdom (15%) and Canada (12%). An even greater number of respondents thought that fundamental changes were needed to reform the health care system: 60% in Canada, 57% in the United Kingdom, 51% in Germany and 48% in the United States.
10. Self-reported patient satisfaction with physician care
(From page 32)
Results: In 2007, 89.8% of Canadians who received care from a physician reported they were “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way physician care was provided. Satisfaction remains consistently high, with similar rates of satisfaction from males and females in every period.
11. Self-reported patient satisfaction with hospital care
(
From page 33)
Results: In 2007, 79.9% of Canadians who used hospital care reported being “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way their most recent hospital care was provided. This figure is consistent with those from previous years, with similar rates of satisfaction from both males and females in every period.
2. Self-reported difficulty obtaining routine
or ongoing health services
3. Self-reported difficulty obtaining health
information or advice
4. Self-reported difficulty obtaining immediate care
(All from page 20)
Results: Most Canadians requiring routine or ongoing health services, health information or advice, and immediate care for a minor health problem do not report difficulties obtaining them. However, an increase was seen in the percentage of Canadians aged 15 years and older who required health services and who reported difficulties obtaining immediate care for a minor health problem—from 20.7% in 2005 to 25.3% in 2007. The percentage of Canadians aged 15 years and older who reported difficulties
obtaining health information or advice also increased—from 15% in 2005 to 16.8% in 2007.
5. Self-reported wait times for diagnostic services
(From page 22)
Results: In 2007, most Canadians (57.1%) aged 15 years and older who had a diagnostic service reported waiting less than one month for their test. However, 10.5% of Canadians reported that they waited over three months for diagnostic testing.
6. Self-reported wait times for specialist physician visits
(From page 24)
Results: The median wait time for specialist physician visits for a new illness or condition was 4.3 weeks in
2007. Regarding the distribution of wait times, 46.2% of Canadians waited less than one month for specialist physician visits, while 40.3% waited from one to three months, and 13.6% waited longer than three months, an increase since 2003 when 10.4% reported waiting more than three months.
7. Self-reported wait times for surgery
(From page 26)
Results: In 2007, the median wait time for non-emergency surgeries remained steady at 4.3 weeks, the same figure reported in both 2003 and 2005. Regarding distribution of wait times, 41.9% of Canadians reported that they waited less than one month, while 40.3% of Canadians reported that they waited one to three months, and 17.8% of Canadians reported that they waited longer than three months.
[link to www.hc-sc.gc.ca] |
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PACNWguy
User ID: 688273
11/7/2009 1:27 PM
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OBAMA looked worried. His speech was anything close to RAH RAH to rally the troops. He cut off and left fast. Prob to get back on the phone.
I'd bet HE DOESNT HAVE 218 VOTES. The Stupack amendment is in trouble.
OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812671
11/7/2009 1:28 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
I think you meant to be addressing you post to 677020 not me.
Yes I did, my bad. Quoting: Trayen11
No problem.
Carry on. |
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Liberty4ever1776
User ID: 807597
11/7/2009 1:28 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
That is the current problem with most all the legislation.
Citizens are not informed, which is their fault AND the system's fault....And the citizens who ARE informed, when they call their representatives, they don't listen, just like they didn't listen about the bailouts.
They will NEVER listen to you.
They listen to money, and their own kind.
I love that these idiots who sound like they have a reading/speaking level of a 5th grader, get up here and proclaim to know "what's best for me".
Fuck you scum. I KNOW what's best for me, and what's best is you leave us the fuck alone, quit trying to sneak more taxes on us and force whatever treatment you want on us.
NO VACCINES
NO FORCED TREATMENT
They are voting on another way to make you a criminal, and another way to take your money, and another way to CONTROL YOUR LIFE.
+1 for you! Very well said.
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson
"It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford, founder of the Ford motor company
"We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies; domestic swindlers, rich and predatory money lenders which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. The Federal Reserve banks are the agents of the foreign central banks. The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States by the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board." --Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, 75 Congressional Record 12595-12603, June 10, 1932
"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Gun control.. it's not about guns, it's about control! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 744635
11/7/2009 1:29 PM | | Re: Watch Health Care Vote Live NOW | Quote |
if it passes get ready for a mass emmigration of wealth, middle class and money from this country
the dollar is gonna tank
you all know what this means
It means that ticktock you're a pessimistic doom-ass that looks for the bad in everything. ticktock leave the fucking country if you're so sure it's doomed.
No one has money or jobs to leave this stinkhole. Mexico is gonna love us coming there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812590
Our entire history is built on people who left their home countries without money or jobs. |
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