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I think you meant to be addressing you post to 677020 not me.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

Yes that was addressed to the poster who said what was in YOUR quote, do not take offense from me, everyone knows who I meant it towards.

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I'm sorry, but the way I worded my post caused it to be misinterpreted.

I AM 100% AGAINST THIS BILL.

The comments from Canadians I read on this thread were all negative about their system.

It's not that im negative to the pricipal or the idea of our system.

I'm negative to the way it is run, if the Canadian government would pay our doctor on par with doctors in America and Britian (equal pay for equal work) then we would be able to keep or bring doctors into our country.

The major problem here in Canada is a lack of doctors. We have 6-12 month waits to see specialists. Shit my father has been waiting 3 years now for a knee surgery.

If our system was run properly and our docotrs paid correctl I would be fully behind our health system. That is the major problem when you allow the government to run it almost fully. They become stingy and dont hand out the money alloted to our health care system and then it becomes a joke.

You know it's bad when you have to leave you country to get answers medically. Espcially when your government loves to say how awsome our system is.

So if this crap passes how hard is it going to be for the next congress to pass legislation to repeal this?

if it passes get ready for a mass emmigration of wealth, middle class and money from this country

the dollar is gonna tank

you all know what this means


It means that ticktock you're a pessimistic doom-ass that looks for the bad in everything. ticktock leave the fucking country if you're so sure it's doomed.
No one has money or jobs to leave this stinkhole. Mexico is gonna love us coming there.


Our entire history is built on people who left their home countries without money or jobs.

So if this crap passes how hard is it going to be for the next congress to pass legislation to repeal this?


NOT HARD AT ALL IF REPUBLICANS HAVE THE MAJORITY IN 2012 LIKE THE DEMS DO NOW.

Wow, and I thought the way the Canadian Health system was bad. If this one is passed for you in the States is just brutal.

I can't believe this even got as far as it has already. This is not a bill for health care, it seems more like a way for the US government to get money from the American people to pay thier bills. Not give health care to people.

But thats just my opinion I dont live in the states, I live in Canada.



Many Canadians disagree with you. I had posted the following previously on another thread on the same subject matter....


Now, regarding the health care comparison between Canada and the U.S., here’s some data from their Organization for Cooperation and Development (OECD) from their 2009 Health Data Report, based on 2007 data. As you can see, the US lags in several categories.

Life expectancy –
CA 80.7 years
US 78.1 years

Infant mortality rate –
CA 5.0
US 6.7

Physicians per 1000 people –
CA 2.2
US 2.4

Nurses per 1000 people –
CA 9.0
US 10.6

Per capita expenditure on health care –
CA $3,895 (US$)
US $7,290

Health care costs as percent of GDP –
CA 10.1%
US 16.0%

Percent of govt. revenue spent on health care –
CA 16.7%
US 18.5%

Percent of health costs paid by govt. –
CA 69.8%
US 45.4%

[link to www.oecd.org]


For an in-depth look at the Canadian experience with health care, check out this report entitled “Healthy Canadians, A Federal Report on Comparable Health Indicators” (2008) at the link shown below. I’d just like to point out a few key findings to shed some light on the prior poster’s point, particularly with regard to his comment about wait times.

9. Self-reported patient satisfaction
with overall health care services

(From page 30)
Results: In 2007, 85.2% of Canadians (84.9% of males and 85.4% of females)reported being “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way overall health care services were provided. Satisfaction with overall health services remains high, with the rate essentially unchanged from those reported in previous periods.

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) dataare not directly comparable to the data presented in the graph, Self-Reported Patient Satisfaction with Overall Health Care Services, as the OECD used a
different scale to measure satisfaction. In addition, because reference years for OECD data differ according to the country, differences between countries must also be interpreted with caution.

Considering G7 countries in 2007, the United States had a high percentage of respondents (34%) who felt that their health care system should be completely rebuilt, followed by Germany (27%), the United Kingdom (15%) and Canada (12%). An even greater number of respondents thought that fundamental changes were needed to reform the health care system: 60% in Canada, 57% in the United Kingdom, 51% in Germany and 48% in the United States.



10. Self-reported patient satisfaction with physician care

(From page 32)
Results: In 2007, 89.8% of Canadians who received care from a physician reported they were “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way physician care was provided. Satisfaction remains consistently high, with similar rates of satisfaction from males and females in every period.

11. Self-reported patient satisfaction with hospital care
(
From page 33)
Results: In 2007, 79.9% of Canadians who used hospital care reported being “very satisfied” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way their most recent hospital care was provided. This figure is consistent with those from previous years, with similar rates of satisfaction from both males and females in every period.

2. Self-reported difficulty obtaining routine
or ongoing health services
3. Self-reported difficulty obtaining health
information or advice
4. Self-reported difficulty obtaining immediate care

(All from page 20)
Results: Most Canadians requiring routine or ongoing health services, health information or advice, and immediate care for a minor health problem do not report difficulties obtaining them. However, an increase was seen in the percentage of Canadians aged 15 years and older who required health services and who reported difficulties obtaining immediate care for a minor health problem—from 20.7% in 2005 to 25.3% in 2007. The percentage of Canadians aged 15 years and older who reported difficulties
obtaining health information or advice also increased—from 15% in 2005 to 16.8% in 2007.

5. Self-reported wait times for diagnostic services

(From page 22)
Results: In 2007, most Canadians (57.1%) aged 15 years and older who had a diagnostic service reported waiting less than one month for their test. However, 10.5% of Canadians reported that they waited over three months for diagnostic testing.

6. Self-reported wait times for specialist physician visits

(From page 24)
Results: The median wait time for specialist physician visits for a new illness or condition was 4.3 weeks in
2007. Regarding the distribution of wait times, 46.2% of Canadians waited less than one month for specialist physician visits, while 40.3% waited from one to three months, and 13.6% waited longer than three months, an increase since 2003 when 10.4% reported waiting more than three months.

7. Self-reported wait times for surgery

(From page 26)
Results: In 2007, the median wait time for non-emergency surgeries remained steady at 4.3 weeks, the same figure reported in both 2003 and 2005. Regarding distribution of wait times, 41.9% of Canadians reported that they waited less than one month, while 40.3% of Canadians reported that they waited one to three months, and 17.8% of Canadians reported that they waited longer than three months.


[link to www.hc-sc.gc.ca]

Well, another massive amount was added late last night so no way have you read that.

No one can have in the amount of time allotted but then that's the idea.


And I don't take your WORD you read anything. I have seen your posts before.

I posted on this forum what I read when I was reading it.
Are you expecting me to believe you read something just on YOUR word, lol!

Talk about juvenile! No one is going to do that.

My father lives in Canada he had cancer of the mouth he came down here to Texas for treatment because the wait was 6 months there

My father lives in Canada he had cancer of the mouth he came down here to Texas for treatment because the wait was 6 months there


Funny how we're always hearing these anecdotes about how terrible the Canadian system is (as if that makes our system good for anyone but the very rich). The reason it's funny is that a couple years back over a million Canadians were polled as to who they thought was the greatest Canadian of all time. The winner was the guy who started their single-payer healthcare system. So, please cut the anecdotal bullshit. No system is perfect, but theirs is lightyears better than ours (again, except for the super-rich, which are apparently the only ones who should count in the US).

If this passes, everyone who votes for it should be arrested (along with Obama and BushClintonista) and tried (and hung) for treason.

If this passes, everyone who votes for it should be arrested (along with Obama and BushClintonista) and tried (and hung) for treason.

So if this crap passes how hard is it going to be for the next congress to pass legislation to repeal this?


NOT HARD AT ALL IF REPUBLICANS HAVE THE MAJORITY IN 2012 LIKE THE DEMS DO NOW.

If this passes, everyone who votes for it should be arrested (along with Obama and BushClintonista) and tried (and hung) for treason.

Anyone who votes yes on this health care bill should seriously worry about their future health.

So if this crap passes how hard is it going to be for the next congress to pass legislation to repeal this?


NOT HARD AT ALL IF REPUBLICANS HAVE THE MAJORITY IN 2012 LIKE THE DEMS DO NOW.

So if this crap passes how hard is it going to be for the next congress to pass legislation to repeal this?


NOT HARD AT ALL IF REPUBLICANS HAVE THE MAJORITY IN 2012 LIKE THE DEMS DO NOW.



I have to disagree because it is going to put so many private insurance companies out of business. We won't have anywhere to go.

Also who is going to want to enroll in med school under this system? Oh, I forgot. The government will say who can be a physician and attend med school, etc. So we will only lose the best and the brightest.

And they are proposing to even pay specialists the same amount as GP so no specialists when there is already a shortage? No one is going to spend their life in training for nothing.

So it will be very hard to undo this once it is enacted because it will reach far and wide.

Obama bragging about all the orgs he claims support this bill.

Last polls showed the American people strongly oppose it. And by a huge majority. But the individual can't be bought off the way the heads of orgs can.

For example AARP sells gap insurance to cover what this plan will not such as deductibles and co-pays. They would stand to sell hundreds of thousands of policies especiallly with the drastic cuts to medicare.

It's all total corruption ChicagoLand style.

My father lives in Canada he had cancer of the mouth he came down here to Texas for treatment because the wait was 6 months there


Funny how we're always hearing these anecdotes about how terrible the Canadian system is (as if that makes our system good for anyone but the very rich). The reason it's funny is that a couple years back over a million Canadians were polled as to who they thought was the greatest Canadian of all time. The winner was the guy who started their single-payer healthcare system. So, please cut the anecdotal bullshit. No system is perfect, but theirs is lightyears better than ours (again, except for the super-rich, which are apparently the only ones who should count in the US).


And if it's anecdotes you want, how about the millions (yes, millions) of Americans that have been denied legitimate coverage by the health insurance assholes who basically wrote this bill. Wake up, people, the gov't may suck, but the for-profit health insurance industry sucks a whole lot more. They are the real "death panels".

.....I'm sure soon enough a degree in Medicine from Mudwater University in Sierra Leone is going to be plenty good to practice in the US.

Tell that to my father who has been waiting three years for a knee surgery. Or to myself that would have been waiting a year for proper test (which btw, i would be dead now if i didnt go south of the border to get tests run)

As I have said before. The general concept of the Canadian health care system is great, if it was run properly.

Dont get me wrong either, I dont exactly think the current system in the states is very good, just dont assume the Canadian system is awsome. cause form experience and that of friends and family, the system in Canada is not a great as it is made out to be. If it was run properly, and our doctors paid properly to keep them here, then I would agree with those surveys and be happy with our system.

Obama bragging about all the orgs he claims support this bill.

Last polls showed the American people strongly oppose it. And by a huge majority. But the individual can't be bought off the way the heads of orgs can.

For example AARP sells gap insurance to cover what this plan will not such as deductibles and co-pays. They would stand to sell hundreds of thousands of policies especiallly with the drastic cuts to medicare.

It's all total corruption ChicagoLand style.



More complete crap from you. Most Americans want health care reform and a majority support a public option.

You also left out the endorsement from the AMA.

Oh...let's see...they're also the bad guys, right? (RQ)

And thank you for admitting you are posting under two different ID's here.


That's what I thought.

Tell that to my father who has been waiting three years for a knee surgery. Or to myself that would have been waiting a year for proper test (which btw, i would be dead now if i didnt go south of the border to get tests run)

As I have said before. The general concept of the Canadian health care system is great, if it was run properly.

Dont get me wrong either, I dont exactly think the current system in the states is very good, just dont assume the Canadian system is awsome. cause form experience and that of friends and family, the system in Canada is not a great as it is made out to be. If it was run properly, and our doctors paid properly to keep them here, then I would agree with those surveys and be happy with our system.



Again, according to this data you would be in the minority.

And, adding my own anecdotal experience, my family and friends who live in the Toronto area are very happy with the system there.