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If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?

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Bluebird Subscriber
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 2:50 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why do you call it 'un-american?' Right now I have NO health coverage. I'm treating myself for flu as we speak. My husband has a pre-existing condition and will NEVER get an ins. co. to cover him. My sis in law HAS insurance and she's been screwed around since JULY and is STILL in the hospital...about to be transferred to a nursing home because her doctors can't get her surgery right. Gimme a break...SOME health oversight is better than NONE. Now go tune in fox news and stuff yourself with lies.


What you explain is life and in your case your problems are NOT someone else's problems. Your husband should have gotten insurance BEFORE he was 'pre-existing'. Most people choose to squander their life away spending their earnings on toys trinkets, beer and foolish luxuries pretending their are the king and queen of America. As soon as hard times come, they expect the government to come to their aid. THAT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT! The government has two jobs. Representing the people and defending the nations THAT IS IT. Medicaid, food stamps, welfare are all just more ways for government officials to STEAL MONEY. Not tote along pathetic slobs too lazy to NOT feel sorry for themselves.

If your suffering now then you should get a job. Work from home if need be. I don't care how old you are. You AND your pre-existing husband. But just as a reminder, America was robbed blind by thieves and madmen in our GOVERNMENT. Our money is all gone. In a perfect system, America would be so wealthy we could afford health care for the entire world. So go ahead, wish to give the thieves more control for your own benefit. You won't be one penny more fortunate. In fact, if I were you, I would prepare for further suffering.

PS - They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you. Grasp reality.


Good god, got a little anger management issue going on, don't you? Talk about confusing the issue....
FYI, both my husband and I HAVE 'jobs' ....we are small business owners and HAVE BEEN for over 25 years. We have never used medicaid, food stamps, welfare or any other gov't. handout. We live off the grid, we recycle what trash we generate, we don't smoke or drink. So your 'foolish luxuries' statement does not apply.

It always amazes me that people who are so brainwashed they can't even THINK about others who are not in their same position/lifestyle revert to confusing the issues and downright cruelty, using terms like 'lazy slobs' 'king and queen of america' etc.

The madmen who robbed us of our money were instituted by and left ungoverned by the 'hands off' republican mantra. Who do you think was in power while wall street danced away with our money? Enron? AIG? Big Banks? Turn your anger away from blaming PEOPLE and learn the HISTORY of our government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901




It was the far left who demanded a mortgage for all, specifically Clinton and Barney Franks and threatened banks with discrimination suits if they didn't comply. Claimed it was a "Right" for every American to own a home.

This was done without regard to whether or not the person applying could repay the mortgage or not. ACORN thugs actually threatened bank officers, etc.

And it collapsed the banking industry.

So unless you owned stock in Enron, you were not effected. Yeah, Bush wasted billions but Obama has trillions.

They are all bad but represent different factions of TPTB who are at war with each other now. This current administration is the Soros faction and there is no one who is more supportive of population depopulation than Soros.
KellyJaye
User ID: 790084
11/7/2009 2:51 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

GUNS... WHAT GUNS?

oyrguns
 Quoting: PACNWguy


Where did you get the painting? That is perfect!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 2:53 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Well, according to the law, this is what is supposed to be done and really, it sound pretty good to me:

-Form a group of people (local officials, law officers, military, and business owners) that feel the same way you do.
-Organize a meeting in order to split the legal fees and get a lawyer to find out which laws have been broken and which charges need to be placed.
-File a multi-person law suit against all the representatives and politicians in favor of this bill.
-If your representative votes in favor of, head to their office and demand their resignation for breaking the law. Give them 30 days to resign. Give them a copy of the law suit, just in case it wound up ‘missing’.
-If they refuse to resign within 30 days, head to your sheriffs office and tell him he needs to place them under arrest for the several constitutional laws that were broken.
-Tell your sheriff if he does not enforce the law, you will go to the media and expose him for doing such. In addition, tell him he too will need to resign.
-Find the deputies and remind them that they swore to uphold the laws of the land.
-Find the local judge and tell him you intend to place the representative under citizens arrest for the said charges. Then, demand that if he sets bail to order the representative temporarily dismissed until further notice. Tell the judge he must set hearing dates for the said charges. Remind the judge how serious of an issue this is and if it is treason, bail should NOT be set.
-Go to the representative’s office and place them under citizen’s arrest. Hand them over to a deputy.


Not Constitutional

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 6
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 6 - Compensation

(The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.) (The preceding words in parentheses were modified by the 27th Amendment.) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.


Also Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6

Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.



BUT, if you look at Section 9, Clause 6

Clause 6: No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

This clause may make this healthcare bill unconstitutional under the regulation of Commerce. Thoughts?
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes 656642



They can be arrested when they are not on their way to the capitol or in it. Impeachment is a congressional matter. ARREST AND CRIMINAL TRIALS ARE NOT.

The commerce clause just makes it so states must abide by free trade between each other. It's violtaed all the time. Oddly, this is what Pelosi is using as her justification for forced health insurance purchases.
Bluebird Subscriber
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 2:54 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

They have wanted to get their hands on everyone's 401k and IRA for a while now. Wanna bet they sneak in a provision that when you turn 65 (or 70) they can grab your retirement "to provide for your old age care".



BINGO!



Sorry to probably really make you angrier...The dems do want your 401K - here's an article from last year, this IS in the works.

[link to electivedecisions.wordpress.com]

R.E.P.O. is designed to protect America’s interest from the failures of the free market and capitalism, giving citizens hope for brighter days in their golden years. According to reports from Capitol Hill, the plan works this way as a repurchase agreement for a financial institution.

The federal government will repossess your 401K, give you a three percent return through government bonds, and then if you live long enough to collect it, administer it back to you—via the Social Security Administration—at a much lower rate because of the astoundingly high taxes. (...continued at link)


[link to www.workforce.com]

October 16, 2008
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months. (....continued at link)



VERY important post, desrving of it's own thread. I suggest you use a catchy title to get a pin - such as "DEMOCRATS PLANNING TO CONFISCATE 401K AND RETIREMENT FUNDS".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758380





I think a thread on this is a very good idea. Please consider doing so.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 513207
11/7/2009 2:54 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Organize, have a consistent message, have confidence in your message.

That's about it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812873
11/7/2009 2:55 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

set up snipers all around DC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798349


Print a deck of cards.
Kat Mama
User ID: 796283
11/7/2009 3:00 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why do you call it 'un-american?' Right now I have NO health coverage. I'm treating myself for flu as we speak. My husband has a pre-existing condition and will NEVER get an ins. co. to cover him. My sis in law HAS insurance and she's been screwed around since JULY and is STILL in the hospital...about to be transferred to a nursing home because her doctors can't get her surgery right. Gimme a break...SOME health oversight is better than NONE. Now go tune in fox news and stuff yourself with lies.


What you explain is life and in your case your problems are NOT someone else's problems. Your husband should have gotten insurance BEFORE he was 'pre-existing'. Most people choose to squander their life away spending their earnings on toys trinkets, beer and foolish luxuries pretending their are the king and queen of America. As soon as hard times come, they expect the government to come to their aid. THAT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT! The government has two jobs. Representing the people and defending the nations THAT IS IT. Medicaid, food stamps, welfare are all just more ways for government officials to STEAL MONEY. Not tote along pathetic slobs too lazy to NOT feel sorry for themselves.

If your suffering now then you should get a job. Work from home if need be. I don't care how old you are. You AND your pre-existing husband. But just as a reminder, America was robbed blind by thieves and madmen in our GOVERNMENT. Our money is all gone. In a perfect system, America would be so wealthy we could afford health care for the entire world. So go ahead, wish to give the thieves more control for your own benefit. You won't be one penny more fortunate. In fact, if I were you, I would prepare for further suffering.

PS - They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you. Grasp reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550635


While I don't agree with her thinking that this health care bill is a good thing - and I do agree with your saying "They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you", I think the rest of your post is about her is judgemental and cruel.
CONDEMNATION without INVESTIGATION is the HIGHEST form of IGNORANCE
Smilin' Irish Eyes
User ID: 656642
11/7/2009 3:00 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

They have wanted to get their hands on everyone's 401k and IRA for a while now. Wanna bet they sneak in a provision that when you turn 65 (or 70) they can grab your retirement "to provide for your old age care".



BINGO!



Sorry to probably really make you angrier...The dems do want your 401K - here's an article from last year, this IS in the works.

[link to electivedecisions.wordpress.com]

R.E.P.O. is designed to protect America’s interest from the failures of the free market and capitalism, giving citizens hope for brighter days in their golden years. According to reports from Capitol Hill, the plan works this way as a repurchase agreement for a financial institution.

The federal government will repossess your 401K, give you a three percent return through government bonds, and then if you live long enough to collect it, administer it back to you—via the Social Security Administration—at a much lower rate because of the astoundingly high taxes. (...continued at link)


[link to www.workforce.com]

October 16, 2008
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months. (....continued at link)



VERY important post, desrving of it's own thread. I suggest you use a catchy title to get a pin - such as "DEMOCRATS PLANNING TO CONFISCATE 401K AND RETIREMENT FUNDS".





I think a thread on this is a very good idea. Please consider doing so.
 Quoting: Bluebird


If anyone wants to make a thread on this issue please feel free, I won't mind. My threads tend to just wither away to oblivion.
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. The Merchant of Venice. Act. v. Sc. 1. W. Shakespeare
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 3:01 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

They have wanted to get their hands on everyone's 401k and IRA for a while now. Wanna bet they sneak in a provision that when you turn 65 (or 70) they can grab your retirement "to provide for your old age care".



BINGO!



Sorry to probably really make you angrier...The dems do want your 401K - here's an article from last year, this IS in the works.

[link to electivedecisions.wordpress.com]

R.E.P.O. is designed to protect America’s interest from the failures of the free market and capitalism, giving citizens hope for brighter days in their golden years. According to reports from Capitol Hill, the plan works this way as a repurchase agreement for a financial institution.

The federal government will repossess your 401K, give you a three percent return through government bonds, and then if you live long enough to collect it, administer it back to you—via the Social Security Administration—at a much lower rate because of the astoundingly high taxes. (...continued at link)


[link to www.workforce.com]

October 16, 2008
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months. (....continued at link)



I know they do! And they are going to start with State retirement plans first I think.

Yes, must take them for our own good!

And it does make me angrier. I am even thinking of taking the ten percent hit and liquidating all of it. Have been doing so incrementally but from need mostly. Think I will just take it all after first of year for new tax year.

Then declare bankruptcy as I am already losing my home, won't have any assets as will not pay on my car except payments as required. There will be nothing in assets they can take then.
 Quoting: Bluebird



Bluebird, have you read the threads on foreclosures being thrown out? I've bookmarked a bunch and would be happy to provide you with them.

callingsusano@fastmail.fm
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812876
11/7/2009 3:02 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

i say we go to d.c. drill em in their asses and send them to europe like the whores they are. s226
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 3:02 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

They have wanted to get their hands on everyone's 401k and IRA for a while now. Wanna bet they sneak in a provision that when you turn 65 (or 70) they can grab your retirement "to provide for your old age care".



BINGO!



Sorry to probably really make you angrier...The dems do want your 401K - here's an article from last year, this IS in the works.

[link to electivedecisions.wordpress.com]

R.E.P.O. is designed to protect America’s interest from the failures of the free market and capitalism, giving citizens hope for brighter days in their golden years. According to reports from Capitol Hill, the plan works this way as a repurchase agreement for a financial institution.

The federal government will repossess your 401K, give you a three percent return through government bonds, and then if you live long enough to collect it, administer it back to you—via the Social Security Administration—at a much lower rate because of the astoundingly high taxes. (...continued at link)


[link to www.workforce.com]

October 16, 2008
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months. (....continued at link)



VERY important post, desrving of it's own thread. I suggest you use a catchy title to get a pin - such as "DEMOCRATS PLANNING TO CONFISCATE 401K AND RETIREMENT FUNDS".





I think a thread on this is a very good idea. Please consider doing so.


If anyone wants to make a thread on this issue please feel free, I won't mind. My threads tend to just wither away to oblivion.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes



AVs are more likely to get a pin
Bluebird Subscriber
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 3:05 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

My threads don't go anywhere either. Someone who can get a PIN please do it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 3:07 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why do you call it 'un-american?' Right now I have NO health coverage. I'm treating myself for flu as we speak. My husband has a pre-existing condition and will NEVER get an ins. co. to cover him. My sis in law HAS insurance and she's been screwed around since JULY and is STILL in the hospital...about to be transferred to a nursing home because her doctors can't get her surgery right. Gimme a break...SOME health oversight is better than NONE. Now go tune in fox news and stuff yourself with lies.


What you explain is life and in your case your problems are NOT someone else's problems. Your husband should have gotten insurance BEFORE he was 'pre-existing'. Most people choose to squander their life away spending their earnings on toys trinkets, beer and foolish luxuries pretending their are the king and queen of America. As soon as hard times come, they expect the government to come to their aid. THAT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT! The government has two jobs. Representing the people and defending the nations THAT IS IT. Medicaid, food stamps, welfare are all just more ways for government officials to STEAL MONEY. Not tote along pathetic slobs too lazy to NOT feel sorry for themselves.

If your suffering now then you should get a job. Work from home if need be. I don't care how old you are. You AND your pre-existing husband. But just as a reminder, America was robbed blind by thieves and madmen in our GOVERNMENT. Our money is all gone. In a perfect system, America would be so wealthy we could afford health care for the entire world. So go ahead, wish to give the thieves more control for your own benefit. You won't be one penny more fortunate. In fact, if I were you, I would prepare for further suffering.

PS - They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you. Grasp reality.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550635

While I don't agree with her thinking that this health care bill is a good thing - and I do agree with your saying "They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you", I think the rest of your post is about her is judgemental and cruel.
 Quoting: Kat Mama



Loook, the person who was complaining doesn't even have a basic understanding of the constitution or economics. Yes, it's miserable to see anyone going through these difficulties, but this legislation is unlawful and it won't fix a damn thing. It will make it FAR worse. The complainer doesn't even realize that it was a Democrat, Woodrow Wilson, who gave us the Fed, and Bill Clinton who repealled Glass-Steagall, both opening the way for the bankster takeover.
Bluebird Subscriber
User ID: 730536
11/7/2009 3:07 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

They have wanted to get their hands on everyone's 401k and IRA for a while now. Wanna bet they sneak in a provision that when you turn 65 (or 70) they can grab your retirement "to provide for your old age care".



BINGO!



Sorry to probably really make you angrier...The dems do want your 401K - here's an article from last year, this IS in the works.

[link to electivedecisions.wordpress.com]

R.E.P.O. is designed to protect America’s interest from the failures of the free market and capitalism, giving citizens hope for brighter days in their golden years. According to reports from Capitol Hill, the plan works this way as a repurchase agreement for a financial institution.

The federal government will repossess your 401K, give you a three percent return through government bonds, and then if you live long enough to collect it, administer it back to you—via the Social Security Administration—at a much lower rate because of the astoundingly high taxes. (...continued at link)


[link to www.workforce.com]

October 16, 2008
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal.

At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months. (....continued at link)



I know they do! And they are going to start with State retirement plans first I think.

Yes, must take them for our own good!

And it does make me angrier. I am even thinking of taking the ten percent hit and liquidating all of it. Have been doing so incrementally but from need mostly. Think I will just take it all after first of year for new tax year.

Then declare bankruptcy as I am already losing my home, won't have any assets as will not pay on my car except payments as required. There will be nothing in assets they can take then.



Bluebird, have you read the threads on foreclosures being thrown out? I've bookmarked a bunch and would be happy to provide you with them.

callingsusano@fastmail.fm


Yes, thanks, I would like to have them and will email you this evening if that is OK. I am supposed to be grocery shopping and have to do that AND cook now, lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758380
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 3:07 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

My threads don't go anywhere either. Someone who can get a PIN please do it.
 Quoting: Bluebird



Okay, I'll do it!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812851
11/7/2009 3:09 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

My threads don't go anywhere either. Someone who can get a PIN please do it.



Okay, I'll do it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758380


Pac noted this a year ago:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 591484
11/7/2009 3:10 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why are you so afraid of this? nothing will change. This is nothing but fear mongering.


They will get their grubby hands in our bank accounts.

I am taking all my money out. Fuck them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 680655

bump


No doubt!

AND my near future solution is LEAVE THIS FUCKED UP COUNTRY!

this "greatest country on earth" line is tired, old and inaccurate now.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 3:11 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Bluebird, I'll watch for your email.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/7/2009 3:13 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

My threads don't go anywhere either. Someone who can get a PIN please do it.



Okay, I'll do it!


Pac noted this a year ago:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812851



I bumped it. Thanks!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901
11/7/2009 3:23 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why do you call it 'un-american?' Right now I have NO health coverage. I'm treating myself for flu as we speak. My husband has a pre-existing condition and will NEVER get an ins. co. to cover him. My sis in law HAS insurance and she's been screwed around since JULY and is STILL in the hospital...about to be transferred to a nursing home because her doctors can't get her surgery right. Gimme a break...SOME health oversight is better than NONE. Now go tune in fox news and stuff yourself with lies.


What you explain is life and in your case your problems are NOT someone else's problems. Your husband should have gotten insurance BEFORE he was 'pre-existing'. Most people choose to squander their life away spending their earnings on toys trinkets, beer and foolish luxuries pretending their are the king and queen of America. As soon as hard times come, they expect the government to come to their aid. THAT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT! The government has two jobs. Representing the people and defending the nations THAT IS IT. Medicaid, food stamps, welfare are all just more ways for government officials to STEAL MONEY. Not tote along pathetic slobs too lazy to NOT feel sorry for themselves.

If your suffering now then you should get a job. Work from home if need be. I don't care how old you are. You AND your pre-existing husband. But just as a reminder, America was robbed blind by thieves and madmen in our GOVERNMENT. Our money is all gone. In a perfect system, America would be so wealthy we could afford health care for the entire world. So go ahead, wish to give the thieves more control for your own benefit. You won't be one penny more fortunate. In fact, if I were you, I would prepare for further suffering.

PS - They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you. Grasp reality.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550635

While I don't agree with her thinking that this health care bill is a good thing - and I do agree with your saying "They don't want to fix your problem, they want to eliminate you", I think the rest of your post is about her is judgemental and cruel.



Loook, the person who was complaining doesn't even have a basic understanding of the constitution or economics. Yes, it's miserable to see anyone going through these difficulties, but this legislation is unlawful and it won't fix a damn thing. It will make it FAR worse. The complainer doesn't even realize that it was a Democrat, Woodrow Wilson, who gave us the Fed, and Bill Clinton who repealled Glass-Steagall, both opening the way for the bankster takeover.

Ya'll are so funny. First of all, I wasn't complaining...the poster who answered me first SAID I was complaining. I place NO TRUST in WESTERN 'medicine' and wouldn't use it if it WERE available. But I do have concern for the millions of folks who don't have my education and must rely on western medicine.

Second, I have a 'basic underwstanding' of the constitution and economics (such as they are these days.) At least, with a MA degree I know the difference between AFFECT and EFFECT, which Bluebird obviously does not. No, I wasn't AFFECTED by the Enron debacle because I didn't have stock. But those weren't the only losers in that sad story...for god's sake what about all the folks who WORKED THERE day in day out? No compassion for them? Obviously not.
And, btw, I was a Ron P. supporter through the whole election year, I own and have read, "The Creature from Jeckyl Island," (do you?), have listened to ALL of Mr. Russo's vidios, etc.etc. So I'd give myself a passing grade on which shyster politiian has done what. Maybe it was you, but someone answered me and actually said the CIA, FBI, DEA, NSA were NOT federal programs, but LOCAL ones. Right.

So this could go on and on, but basically it's hard, these days, to pidgeon hole someone for their comments, and best to stay on topic. The world is very complex and one statement does not always equal a 'stance.' Comprende?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758380
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 64458
11/7/2009 3:23 PM
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Ann Rand grew up in Communist Russia and she had the exact formula for this malady: She asked, 'What would Atlas Do?' He would Shrug.

This meant to her that every good able-bodied person with a brain would elect to leave the system so that it has no support; nobody to get the money from. E.G., This Healthcare Bill will CONTROL our bank accounts: Take your money out of the banks. Make your company pay you with a check instead of direct deposit. A small, inconvenient but ultimately VERY effective step.

The steps become increasingly radical with every tightening of the Communist screw.

THAT is how you 'stop the motor of the world'.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798862
11/7/2009 3:27 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

What now people?

We can't sit back and take this thing up the ass...

I'm open to suggestions...
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


My suggestion would be for you to remove yourself from it emotionally first. Then see what ideas come to you after that.

Tyrany or forcre is given its power from the emotional hooks.
Orion2013 Subscriber
User ID: 770752
11/7/2009 3:28 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

I WILL FIGHT BACK

If this health shit passes or half a dozen other things that have me so pissed off, I will close my business that, by the way, is very successful and pays taxes out the ass, and I have had for 22 years. Fuck em!

Who is John Galt?


Last Edited by Orion2013 on 11/7/2009 at 3:29 PM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 64458
11/7/2009 3:32 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

In reference to comments above, I don't believe it is possible to be either too judgmental nor too cruel about Nazi Pelozi. She is an abomination on the mankind.

In fact, she has been identified as one of the First Tier 'investors' in the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme. She received ALL of her money back within a short time just for the use of her name (to convince all the second tier people that Madoff was legit) AND a percentage from there on out of all those other people's money that were NOT 'first tier'.

Others in her group? Oh, how about Hillary... and so many, many more of those who are supporting this Coup-de-tat health care bill. They MUST get control of the American public BEFORE they are thrown in jail by said Public.

Nancy Pelozi is a criminal AND a tyrant. She is also flying directly in the face of the Constitution, which means she could be hanged for Treason.

Of course, she'd probably have to stand in line, even for hanging. There are a hundred others who just might actually come before her...which is hard to imagine that anyone could be worse than she is.
Anonymous Coward
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11/7/2009 3:35 PM
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...sorry for my 'on the mankind' grammatical error. Kind of throws the whole power of the statement. Should have just read 'on mankind'.

mea culpa
Anonymous Coward
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11/7/2009 3:35 PM
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Ann Rand grew up in Communist Russia and she had the exact formula for this malady: She asked, 'What would Atlas Do?' He would Shrug.

This meant to her that every good able-bodied person with a brain would elect to leave the system so that it has no support; nobody to get the money from. E.G., This Healthcare Bill will CONTROL our bank accounts: Take your money out of the banks. Make your company pay you with a check instead of direct deposit. A small, inconvenient but ultimately VERY effective step.

The steps become increasingly radical with every tightening of the Communist screw.

THAT is how you 'stop the motor of the world'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64458


"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'"

[link to www.capmag.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 64458
11/7/2009 3:36 PM
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I WILL FIGHT BACK

If this health shit passes or half a dozen other things that have me so pissed off, I will close my business that, by the way, is very successful and pays taxes out the ass, and I have had for 22 years. Fuck em!

Who is John Galt?
 Quoting: Orion2013



EXACTLY!
intrigued by reinhardt
User ID: 516293
11/7/2009 3:37 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why do you call it 'un-american?' Right now I have NO health coverage. I'm treating myself for flu as we speak. My husband has a pre-existing condition and will NEVER get an ins. co. to cover him. My sis in law HAS insurance and she's been screwed around since JULY and is STILL in the hospital...about to be transferred to a nursing home because her doctors can't get her surgery right. Gimme a break...SOME health oversight is better than NONE. Now go tune in fox news and stuff yourself with lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901


I'm sorry you are experiencing this, but many in our country are in the same position ourselves. Along with our jobs went our health insurance. Companies like my husband's who don't comply with Cobra, don't send the forms...not like anyone can afford it anyway. But in my opinion, the tragedy of this bill is the mandate and threat of criminal charges, 5 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine!

Not only is it unconstitutional, that has only become talking points in Washington by the Republicans. I would have more respect for them if they actually had military there to arrest any Representative who commits this treasonous act against the American people. The more rope we give them, the more they take, and they are hanging us!

I have written my Congressman, and he doesn't care..why should he...he had loads of people at home who will take anything for free...AND that is the TRAGEDY..these people don't understand....THIS ISN'T GONNA BE FREE FOR ANYONE! I heard his speech a couple months ago to the people at a townhall meeting, he had the audacity to tell them, it didn't matter that they didn't know what was in the bill, the bill had to be passed now and looked at later!! WTH?

This isn't about healthcare for American's at all. This is an evil take-over of every Sovereign American citizens lives. This is communism...forget socialism. This will only serve Corporate America and Greedy Politicians!!

Frankly, I believe in my heart this bill will not pass in the Senate, but those in the Congress who pass it should be run out of office.

One last note to those who keep calling our country a "democracy".....Our country is a Republic, PLEASE learn the difference. Those in Washington are ruling as if we were a democracy...they know what's best for us, and they decide as elected officials that you put in office, what they will do. Once there, it doesn't matter what you think anymore. That is a democracy. A true Republic is a government "of the people", "by the people" and "for the people". Our representatives forget they are to RE-PRESENT the will of the people!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 64458
11/7/2009 3:39 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

What now people?

We can't sit back and take this thing up the ass...

I'm open to suggestions...


My suggestion would be for you to remove yourself from it emotionally first. Then see what ideas come to you after that.

Tyrany or forcre is given its power from the emotional hooks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798862


Actually, without emotion, there would be no 'America' in the first place. It takes GREAT PASSION to destroy the enemy. Mostly passion placed squarely in KNOWING you are RIGHT.

but you are correct to the extent that passion can be a double-edged sword. I am teaching myself to let reason point passion in the right direction. To that extent, I think what Trinity has done here is 'spot-on'.
Just me
User ID: 812857
11/7/2009 3:41 PM
Re: If They Force This Anti American Health Care Bill Down Our Throats What Can We Do To Fight Back?Quote

Why do you call it 'un-american?' Right now I have NO health coverage. I'm treating myself for flu as we speak. My husband has a pre-existing condition and will NEVER get an ins. co. to cover him. My sis in law HAS insurance and she's been screwed around since JULY and is STILL in the hospital...about to be transferred to a nursing home because her doctors can't get her surgery right. Gimme a break...SOME health oversight is better than NONE. Now go tune in fox news and stuff yourself with lies.


I'm sorry you are experiencing this, but many in our country are in the same position ourselves. Along with our jobs went our health insurance. Companies like my husband's who don't comply with Cobra, don't send the forms...not like anyone can afford it anyway. But in my opinion, the tragedy of this bill is the mandate and threat of criminal charges, 5 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine!

Not only is it unconstitutional, that has only become talking points in Washington by the Republicans. I would have more respect for them if they actually had military there to arrest any Representative who commits this treasonous act against the American people. The more rope we give them, the more they take, and they are hanging us!

I have written my Congressman, and he doesn't care..why should he...he had loads of people at home who will take anything for free...AND that is the TRAGEDY..these people don't understand....THIS ISN'T GONNA BE FREE FOR ANYONE! I heard his speech a couple months ago to the people at a townhall meeting, he had the audacity to tell them, it didn't matter that they didn't know what was in the bill, the bill had to be passed now and looked at later!! WTH?

This isn't about healthcare for American's at all. This is an evil take-over of every Sovereign American citizens lives. This is communism...forget socialism. This will only serve Corporate America and Greedy Politicians!!

Frankly, I believe in my heart this bill will not pass in the Senate, but those in the Congress who pass it should be run out of office.

One last note to those who keep calling our country a "democracy".....Our country is a Republic, PLEASE learn the difference. Those in Washington are ruling as if we were a democracy...they know what's best for us, and they decide
as elected officials that you put in office, what they will do. Once there, it doesn't matter what you think anymore. That is a democracy. A true Republic is a government "of the people", "by the people" and "for the people". Our representatives forget they are to RE-PRESENT the will of the people!
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