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| Ganid
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You believe in and on Jesus. You look to Jesus for your salvation. You seek the mind of Jesus. In him, Jesus, you trust.
Are you sure????
Let's look at what the Red Robed Priests of Isis, the old timers in their dresses who occupy Vatican city/state, call the God of Christendom.
Originally, the Latin name these priests gave to the fellow who was preaching around Palestine 2,000 years ago the name 'IESUS'. When the 'J' was added to the Roman alphabet in the 18th century, that was changed to 'JESUS'.
Like most words or terms in our vocabulary, this name is a composite of words that give it different meaning. So let's look at what composes the name 'IESUS'.
The Latin 'IE' is an abbreviation of 'id est' - translated into English, it means 'that is' or 'it is', creating the major portion of a balanced sentence.
Now, let's look at the remainder of the name, 'IESUS'.
May I suggest that you go to this link to find out the meaning of 'SUS'.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Notice: Sus domestica
Just thought you may wish to know this obviously little known fact.
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| faithless1 
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11/9/2009 9:36 PM
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| moops
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11/9/2009 9:41 PM | | faithless1
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look im walking on water!! |
| Ganid
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11/9/2009 9:59 PM
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wikepedia? really?
seriously, if you choose not to believe, so be it.
but why is it so important to you to try and turn others from their faith? Quoting: moops
There are other Latin to English dictionaries on the net to which you can refer if you wish to not believe Wikipedia.
And, why would I wish to believe in a SWINE? If 'others' have their faith in a SWINE/PIG/HOG, then I guess they can go for it.
However, the man walking around and preaching in Palestine 2,000 years ago was given the Aramaic (a colloquial version of Chaldean) name of Yehsua, translated into English as Joshua.
[link to www.thenazareneway.com]
Obviously, even the writer of the text on this website is unaware that the Roman name for Yehsua was/is The SWINE.
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11/9/2009 10:24 PM | | Anonymous Coward
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11/9/2009 10:25 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Agree with op on Catholicism..Judaic/Babylon front for true Christianity
If he's into the "sacred name" heresies, try inquiring at christianmedianetwork.com" for a complete rebuttal. If he's an atheist attention whore, "ignore a fool in his folly" |
| moops
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11/9/2009 10:32 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Amazing Meaning Of The Name Jesus
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Both Matthew 1:21 and Luke 1:31 show that the name "Jesus" was especially selected for Jesus Christ. Why was this so?
Matthew said the reason the baby was called "Jesus" was
"because he will save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).
This explanation is appropriate in all three of the languages of the Bible. In Greek the word "Jesus" sounds like the word "saviour." In Hebrew and Aramaic part of the meaning of the name "Joshua" is the meaning "saviour."
Joshua's name change
The name "Jesus" from the Greek New Testament is the same as the name "Joshua" from the Hebrew Old Testament. The man we call Jesus Christ was actually Joshua Christ.
Joshua was, of course, the name of the second leader of the nation of Israel. He was the man who saved Israel from its wilderness wandering and took it to the promised land.
Joshua's full name means "Jehovah saves." Joshua is actually a combined name. The first part is the name "Jehovah." The second part is the name "Hosea" (meaning "saviour").
However, most people do not know that "Joshua" was not this man's birth name. In Deuteronomy 32:44 he is called "Hosea." It appears that that was his birth name.
This is shown by the fact that the name "Jehovah" was not revealed to humanity until after Joshua's birth (Exodus 3:15). So it could not have been part of his name at birth. His name must have been changed later in life.
This name change was appropriate. If he was "Hosea" (saviour), people might think he was the one saving them from life in the wilderness. But as Joshua ("Jehovah-Hosea"), it shows that Jehovah was their true saviour.
A difficult task
About 1000 years after Joshua died, the Hebrew Old Testament was for the first time translated into another language, into Greek. The translators had a particularly difficult task translating Joshua's name.
The "Hosea" part of the name could be written in Greek fairly easily. (In Greek, it became "Osea," there being no "H" written in Greek.
However, the "Jehovah" part of Joshua's name had a serious problem.
In Hebrew, the word "Jehovah" is spelt YHWH. However, none of those letters occured in the Greek alphabet of the time. There was no Y or W in Greek. And while the letter H did exist, it was never written and was always the first letter of the word. So none of the letters from "Jehovah" could be written in Greek.
When the translators wanted to translate the word "Jehovah," they put a substitute word in its place. They used the Greek word for "Lord."
However, translating Joshua's name wasn't so easy. You couldn't put another word as part of the name. You had to make it the closest sound that the Greek alphabet could make for the name.
The translators did this by translating the Y in YHWH with the Greek letter "I." The other three letters (HWH) they just left out entirely. They also had to leave out the H at the start of "Hosea." So the name "Jehovah-Hosea" became "I-osea," or "Iesou." Since most Greek male names end in "s," "Iesou" became "Iesous," (Jesus).
Centuries later
Now what does this little piece of history have to do with the name given to a baby born at Bethlehem many centuries later?
The New Testament teaches that this baby was actually God. He was the One who created the world:
"All things were created through him. Without him, nothing created was created" (John 1:3).
"By him, all things in heaven and all things on earth were created.... All things were created through him and for him" (Col 1:15-16).
"He created the worlds" (Heb 1:2).
Thus, in the New Testament, the being who created the world was called "Jesus."
However, in the Old Testament, the being who created the world was called "Jehovah."
Are they the same being? Yes they are! And God shows that they are by the name Jesus.
Because YHWH cannot be written in Greek, "Jesus" is almost the only name in Greek which includes the name of "Jehovah!"
Thus, the name "Jesus" was selected not only because it showed the baby was "Hosea" (Saviour). It was also selected to show that he was YHWH ("Jehovah.")
So 1500 years beforehand, God provided a name for himself to show us that he was Jehovah -- even though the name "Jehovah" would not be able to be written in the language of the New Testament
MOOPS,spreading joy and mayhem :)
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| moops
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11/9/2009 10:34 PM | | Juliett 484
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11/9/2009 10:36 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
the question was,"why is it so important to you?" Quoting: moops
Maybe the more important question is why is it NOT important to you?
If you have all your faith placed in Him, would you not be interested to know everything you could about the discrepancy in names... the derogatory meaning of the roman name... the reason for it... etc.
or is blind faith in a fictionalized character of the evil roman church more soothing to your delicate constitution?
just asking.
It is very very important to me not to misplace my beliefs.
and I have not liked many of the things I have discovered.
but I do enjoy where it has lead. |
| Bugeater
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11/9/2009 10:38 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
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| moops
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11/9/2009 10:46 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
the question was,"why is it so important to you?"
Maybe the more important question is why is it NOT important to you?
If you have all your faith placed in Him, would you not be interested to know everything you could about the discrepancy in names... the derogatory meaning of the roman name... the reason for it... etc.
or is blind faith in a fictionalized character of the evil roman church more soothing to your delicate constitution?
just asking.
It is very very important to me not to misplace my beliefs.
and I have not liked many of the things I have discovered.
but I do enjoy where it has lead. Quoting: Juliett 484
I am not catholic
Im seventh day
and you place to much meaning in someone elses attempt to insult god
MOOPS,spreading joy and mayhem :)
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| Anonymous Coward
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11/9/2009 10:52 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
So his name is "it is swine"
That makes no sense whatsoever. Reaching for straws are you not? |
| moops
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11/9/2009 10:55 PM | | Anonymous Coward
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11/9/2009 10:56 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
depends on your mindset |
| moops
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11/9/2009 10:58 PM | | Anonymous Coward
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11/9/2009 11:14 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and He is real.
I do my best to understand God, but He is a mystery, He does live in my heart thru His holy Spirit....
so I say "Praise the Lord" |
| moops
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11/9/2009 11:20 PM | | Anonymous Coward
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11/9/2009 11:39 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Poor fool, won't realize its too late...until the cock crows. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2009 11:22 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel
"immanuel" means "god with us" Quoting: moops
His name is Immanuel not Jesus. Am I to understand they made a mistake at birth and decided to call him something else.
A switch and bait tactic. That is the only time they declare his name as Immanuel. And after that he is not called that anymore. What the parents did not like his name and ops we made a mistake and we will call him something else latter on in his life.
There are a lot of fragmented text in the New Testament that would not stand up to very rigorous testing in terms of logic and reasoniing. Yet people think nothing of it and blindly follow it without questioning the illogical text because an original text of an entirely different person was used and redacted untill it suited their purpose. But to those who read it are totally dumb founded even a smart little kid can ask the minster or preacher man a provocative question that would make them turn red with embarrassment because they don't know the answer. They can easily be owned. Most will show lack of maturity and act like a little child and get angry with you and throw the book at you how dare you question gods word. because they have been owned.
Most of the New Testmanent involving the text of Matthew book was originaly taking out of an original book concerning Immanuel and all the other books were involved plagerism and redacting by the Roman Church and the same text passed down through the dupe Martin Luthor (Fomer Roman Monk) who thought the Roman Church was trying to hid something from the people.
According to Immanuel from the original text Peter was a loser for not being able to walk on the water not that he had to he was just to stupid after Immanuel clearly explained this to him, Saul was a lunatic who told Immanuel to his face you teach a strange teaching and thought Immanuel was insane for teaching such things. Immanuel got mad at him and chased him away with a stick.
Saul latter gathered some men to try to capture his people but latter Immanuel ambushed him with an explosive display of blinding light which scared his men away and Immanuel poped up from his hiding place and asked Saul why are you persecuting me.
Immanuel best budy and friend was Judas Iscariot who was later framed by the Pharasees to make it look like Judas Iscariot did the dirty deed when infact the son of the Pharasee commited sucide for doing the dirty deed of framing Immaneul that had a simlar sounding name. The crucifixtion of Immanuel was faked and he survived with some help from friends from India. Their are momuments to this day that testify to his journeys into other countries after revovering from the crucifixtion ordeal and latter revived by his friends. The interesting part was how the Roman guards were hit by advanced weaponery and terrified the Roman guards when they saw who it was that was attacking them. No it was not Angels but an other wordly force not from Earth.
The untold story of Immanuel. It reads a lot more clearer to me and others who have read it. And it does not have the strange and abrupt situations when you are reading the texts of all four books in the New testament. |
| Wingedlion
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11/10/2009 11:32 AM
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People get hung up on this "name" business, but names, and words in general are but symbols in which we atribute meaning to them.
I conduct spiritual warfare, and nothing happens until I command it in Jesus name. It works for me, and it works for others. Jesus is the name we atribute to the living Son of God, the savior of mankind. All spiritual forces are subject to that name, and those who understand spiritual authority as I do know that"... at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, and every toungue shall confess that He is Lord to the glory of God the Father." |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/10/2009 12:10 PM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
People get hung up on this "name" business, but names, and words in general are but symbols in which we atribute meaning to them.
I conduct spiritual warfare, and nothing happens until I command it in Jesus name. It works for me, and it works for others. Jesus is the name we atribute to the living Son of God, the savior of mankind. All spiritual forces are subject to that name, and those who understand spiritual authority as I do know that"... at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, and every toungue shall confess that He is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Quoting: Wingedlion
So we will be conquered slaves to have to bow the knee to one who has forced us to by a magical name.
This was the same technique used by earthly kings when they captured and assimlated people to expect them to bow the knee to their new master lord. So what makes your god so special out of the other Anthropomorphized gods in various cultures. When in reality your so called god of the old testament is a psychopath when he ordered the killing of milliions in order for his invading horde. This included killing of children, woman, men old people you name it they were to be slaughtered. Your god justified murdering people in cold blood. Do you really want to know who your god really is when in fact he is really his nemesis you worship. But yet everybody says that the so called flower child jesus christ is the same as him. What illogic. It is like compariing Ghandi to Charles Manson.
The true reality is that this so called god that man tries to grasp is not a created being but is undefined but is nothing but a supreme mind without a body that is infinite but is impartial but is very aware what it is doing.
It is the only true soul that exist and we are merely projections of itself trying to know itself. We are one of its cells and not the whole. On the surface of the human mind it is hard to conceptualize but on the inner core of our being we understand what it is and who we are in relation to it. No it is not a religion when in fact it has no religion. It is the way I understand it. But also in reality we are one and don't exist as a separate beings or entitys since that is nothing but an illusion so that it can know itself by compartmentalizing parts of itself. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/11/2009 1:57 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Amazing Meaning Of The Name Jesus
The translators did this by translating the Y in YHWH with the Greek letter "I." The other three letters (HWH) they just left out entirely. They also had to leave out the H at the start of "Hosea." So the name "Jehovah-Hosea" became "I-osea," or "Iesou." Since most Greek male names end in "s," "Iesou" became "Iesous," (Jesus). Quoting: moops
I'd say that is a very good stretch of the imagination, when it is so very clear that the name Jesus has no connection to Joshua (Yeshua). And, the hatred by the Red Robed Priests for Joshua of Nazareth can no better be shown that the millions of people of Europe who were murdered by the Inquisition in violation of everything Joshua of Nazareth taught and stood for.
So, it doesn't take nearly as much of a stretch of the imagination to see that these Red Robed Priests would call Joshua of Nazareth 'the SWINE', or That is the SWINE from Nazareth, which is exactly how Jesus translates into English from the Latin.
And, it is certainly a mockery of Joshua of Nazareth to have Christians murdering Iraqis and Afghans in this day and age, all done in the name of Jesus.
And, how many Christian teachers and pastors are standing up against the Roman corporate governments' imposing slavery upon the people of the nations, and robbing them and their future generations by the harvesting of the fruits of the labor of these slaves - called taxation?
And the imposing of corporate rules under the false name of law? |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/11/2009 2:02 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
look im walking on water!! Quoting: faithless1
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
NOW I get it. |
| Jimmy2times
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11/11/2009 2:09 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Are these the words of a swine?
"Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" -- for they had said, "He has an unclean spirit."
Which is it that defines a man, his name or his words? |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/11/2009 2:10 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
Jesus is a historic fact recorded by all friend and foe. Get over it.
Caveman is a textbook fiction. |
| The Professor
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11/11/2009 4:07 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel
"immanuel" means "god with us" Quoting: moops
Sorry, but there was no Old Testament prophecy regarding the virgin birth of Christ. The prophecy of the virgin birth has been considered by Christianity to be the gem of all prophesies, yet a greater fraud has never been inflicted upon the gullible masses. Here, at last, is the truth.
Here is Matthew's reference to the alleged prophecy:
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:21-23, KJV).
Now ALL Christians agree that the alleged Old Testament prophecy of the version birth was recorded in Isaiah, Chapter 7, verse 14. Here, for your information and amusement, is the verse in complete context with the critical verses highlighted:
“And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.
Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field; And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah. Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:
Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass. For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings” (Isaiah 7:1-16. KJV, emphasis my own).
Now, read the above verses carefully, and you will see that it is impossible for the quoted verses to apply in any way to Christ. It is clear that the “virgin birth” was a sign given to King Ahaz (King of Judah) to assure him that his country would not be ravaged by Rezin (King of Syria) and Pekah (King of Israel). Now, when used in the above quoted passage, a sign means a present demonstration given to assure a future act. Since a sign cannot be given to a dead man, the virgin birth had to occur during the life of King Ahaz.
At this point, I think it is appropriate for me to add: DUH!!!! Or, as they so affectionately say on GLP, WTF???
Now both Biblical and conventional history record that King Ahaz lived and died about 700 years prior to the birth of Christ (you should already know this). Thus the virgin birth prophesied in Isaiah (which was to be a sign given to King Ahaz) occurred seven centuries prior to the birth of Christ. Christians thus must make a choice: either their was no messianic prophecy in Isaiah, or there was such a prophecy, but the messiah – who was of necessity born during the lifetime of King Ahaz – was not the Christ, and Christians have been deifying the wrong dude!
OK, you Christians: explain to the rest of us how the birth of Jesus could possibly have been a sign given to King Ahaz seeing as how the King had been decomposing for 700 years prior to the birth stories recorded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. There are only two possibilities: (1) God lied to King Ahaz; or (2) Matthew was dishonest when he attempted to portray the birth of Christ as being the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy.
Finally, if by some insane and dishonest manipulation of the English language, a case can be made that the prophecy in Isaiah applied to Jesus, I really must know why the remainder of the Isaiah would not also apply, specifically these words which immediately follow the alleged virgin birth prophecy: “Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.” Can any of you Christians tell me when Jesus, the son of God was unable to know to refuse the evil and choose the good???
The Gem of the all prophesies turns out to be neither a diamond nor even a cubic zirconia. It is cheap glass, easily shattered. Here is what early American patriot Thomas Payne said about Bible prophecies in general, and Isaiah 7:14 in particular:
“In the following treatise I have examined all the passages in the New Testament, quoted from the Old, and so-called prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, and I find no such thing as a prophecy of any such person, and I deny there are any...I have given chapter and verse for everything I have said, and I have not gone outside of the books of the Old and New Testament for evidence that the passages are not prophecies of the person called Jesus Christ” (Thomas Paine, The Life and Works of Pain, vol. 9, p. 206).
“I have now, reader, gone through and examined all the passages which the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, quote from the Old Testament and call them prophecies of Jesus Christ. When I first sat down to this examination, I expected to find cause for some censure, but little did I expect to find them so utterly destitute of truth, and all pretensions to is, as I have shown them to be” (Pain, The Theological Works of Thomas Paine, p. 258).
“This passage is in Isaiah 7:14 and the writer of the book of Matthew endeavors to make his readers believe that this passage is a prophecy of the person Jesus Christ. It is no such thing” (ibid, p. 229).
I will give others the last word. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/11/2009 4:13 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
yes, all that I need to say. |
| IM4GOD
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11/11/2009 6:59 AM | | Re: So ! You have Faith In Jesus? | Quote |
as far as the " men in red robes" catholicism does not represent christianity, it is a pagen religion that has assumed the garb of christianity. Quoting: moops
well then Moop you don't know squat. As a matter of fact the protestants left CAatholicisim to practise their own system of worship since they didn't like how strict Catholics are for belief in the HOLY Trinity,also JESUS started the first Catholic church with Peter as the first pope and progressed from there! You can even look up peter the first pope on google and will validate my point! The men in the red robes are the cardinals of the Catholic church (Vatican) You know I could go on but I don't want to make you look too much like an idiot infront of your friends..
GOD bless you all
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