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antaun User ID: 801232 United States 11/11/2009 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804868 United States 11/11/2009 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Quoting: BobAssumption: God exists. Error #1 in logic. Defining Constants: Quoting: BobGod is all knowing, all powerful, all present. It's impossible to be all three, it's a logical false flag. If you're all knowing, then you know what is going to happen and therefore are powerless to prevent it or do anything besides what you know is going to happen. Therefore nothing can be both all knowing and all powerful. That isn't even bringing up the all present, which even increases the logical impossibility of being both all knowing and all powerful. An atheist does not follow any religion. Quoting: BobLogic path: There is no one or no thing greater then god. There is no entity for God to worship. God is an Atheist. Errors in my logic? Bottom section is too impossible to even begin to take apart. Basically you put a bunch false things together based upon flawed reasoning. |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a God. God believes in himself you dog ass eating bitch! Quoting: antaunSo you postulate that God believes that he IS a God, and therefore, worships himself. I would counter with: A God is a God only to a lesser being. God IS God, the highest possible being. God cannot be less then himself. God cannot worship himself as a God. I would also counter with: Belief is faith. Faith is not based on knowledge. God KNOWS he exists, he does not BELIEVE he exists. God has knowledge of his existence, not faith. God doesn't believe in himself, he knows he exists and he wouldn't have any doubt. God couldn't make that 'leap of faith' that most religions require. So, again, I return to, God is an Atheist. Side note: You suck cum out of a hairy man's ass with a straw. If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
mTs User ID: 731035 United States 11/11/2009 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
mystylplx User ID: 807177 United States 11/11/2009 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's impossible to be all three, it's a logical false flag. If you're all knowing, then you know what is going to happen and therefore are powerless to prevent it or do anything besides what you know is going to happen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804868Therefore nothing can be both all knowing and all powerful. That isn't even bringing up the all present, which even increases the logical impossibility of being both all knowing and all powerful. If you are all-powerful then you can completely control everything that happens, thus you are all-knowing even if only because your prophecies are all self-fulfilling. |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Assumption: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804868God exists. Error #1 in logic. Ahem. I point to the word on top: ASSUMPTION. That mean that for the purposes of this argument, you have to assume that that God exists. Ya know what? I was going to tear apart the rest of your post, but I just realized you are too stupid to have any opinion that I want to know. If you can't figure out what assumption means, there's no point in talking to you. Stop posting on my thread. The guy who was talking about Dog Ass has more to contribute then you. If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | through GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE Quoting: mTsSo, you are saying that God can do anything, even impossible things, so God is a Atheist and Not an Atheist at the same time? If so, That's an interesting solution to the problem God is a Quantum state of being. I would counter with God is All things, which means he isn't the Absence of something. God can be a Rock, but God can't be Not-Rock. So God can be an Atheist, but not the Absence of Atheist. If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
antaun User ID: 801232 United States 11/11/2009 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't say that God worships himself you mother fucker! I said that God believes that HE is a God you doo doo snacking fucker! :4: God is not just God to a lower being. He refers to himself as the Lord God in the Bible all the time. Man some people don't even deserve to have me stick Ned's ass in their mouth. |
MagiChristmas User ID: 554973 United States 11/11/2009 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Simply extend the logic. i want my own planet someday :/ Thread: i want my own planet someday :/ (Page 2) I dont know how yet. LOL - you need to investigate the Mormons then. I think they believe when they die, they will be a god and have their own planet, or solar system, or something like that - I'm not sure... Perhaps one of them will shed some light for you - Quoting: Anonymous Coward 676821Latter-day Saints believe that we come to the earth to take a physical body, to be schooled and trained and gain experiences here that we could not have in the premortal life, and then to seek to grow in faith and spiritual graces until we can qualify to go where God and Christ are. But they believe that eternal life consists in more than being with God; it entails being like God. A study of the Christian church reveals that the doctrine of the deification of man was taught at least into the fifth century by such notables as Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Justin Martyr, Athanasius, and Augustine. Latter-day Saints would probably not agree with most of what was taught about deification by the early Christian church leaders, because they believe that many of the plain and precious truths concerning God and man had been lost by then. But I mention this to illustrate that the idea was not foreign to the people of the early church; the names mentioned were not pagan or Gnostic spokesmen but Christian. ... Those holy beings are and forever will be the Gods men and women worship. Men and women, like Christ, are made in the image and likeness of God, that it is not robbery to be equal with God (Philippians 2:6), and that like any father, our Heavenly Father wants his children to become and be all that he is. Spiritual growth to this lofty plain is not something that comes merely through hard work, though men and women are expected to do their best to keep their covenantal obligations. Deification is accomplished finally through the grace and goodness of Jesus Christ, who seeks that all of us might become joint heirs, co-inheritors with him, to all the Father has. (Romans 8:14-18.) - [link to www.lightplanet.com] This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links: Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience. MC |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are all-powerful then you can completely control everything that happens, thus you are all-knowing even if only because your prophecies are all self-fulfilling. Quoting: mystylplxExactly. If God exists and He is all knowing, All seeing, all powerful, and All present, then there is no free will, because all possible outcomes have already occurred. Which is completely off topic to my question. Is God an Atheist? If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
Wingedlion User ID: 815843 United States 11/11/2009 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804868Assumption: God exists. Error #1 in logic. Defining Constants: God is all knowing, all powerful, all present. It's impossible to be all three, it's a logical false flag. If you're all knowing, then you know what is going to happen and therefore are powerless to prevent it or do anything besides what you know is going to happen. Therefore nothing can be both all knowing and all powerful. That isn't even bringing up the all present, which even increases the logical impossibility of being both all knowing and all powerful. An atheist does not follow any religion. Logic path: There is no one or no thing greater then god. There is no entity for God to worship. God is an Atheist. Errors in my logic? Bottom section is too impossible to even begin to take apart. Basically you put a bunch false things together based upon flawed reasoning. What an apex of Spiritual retardation, first, the "future" is the past as far as God is concerned, and all that could be done, is currently being done to prevent whatever your small mind thinks needs to be prevented. Secondly, just because He is all Knowing, does not mean that He is powerless to do anything about something, for He is also "All Powerful". And lastly, God's wisdom is far greater than anything human logic can conceive. He knows the Future, because to Him, it is the past, it is all one, and He has provided all things to work acording to His will. Nothing "slips by Him". Hope this helps, but I doubt it. "Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity." |
Wingedlion User ID: 815843 United States 11/11/2009 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are all-powerful then you can completely control everything that happens, thus you are all-knowing even if only because your prophecies are all self-fulfilling. Quoting: BobExactly. If God exists and He is all knowing, All seeing, all powerful, and All present, then there is no free will, because all possible outcomes have already occurred. Which is completely off topic to my question. Is God an Atheist? But even though God is all these things, it still does not negate the personal responsibility that freewill provides to the individual. You can't blame God for your mistakes just because He knew you were going to commit them, The mistakes, and their consequences are still yours to have because He does honor freewill. Just because He knows the future, does not release you from responsibility for you do have a choice. And that is why you are a spiritual retard. "Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity." |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't say that God worships himself you mother fucker! I said that God believes that HE is a God you doo doo snacking fucker! :4: Quoting: antaunGod is not just God to a lower being. He refers to himself as the Lord God in the Bible all the time. Man some people don't even deserve to have me stick Ned's ass in their mouth. No. You state that God BELIEVES in himself. Belief is an act of faith. Example: I believe there is a salad on the table in the other room. Now, I might be wrong, because I cannot see the other room and the salad may have been knocked to the floor by a cat in search of bacon bits. There is a possibility that I am wrong, so I cannot say with absolute certainty that there is a salad ON the table. I merely believe it so, since I have no evidence to the contrary. So, By your statements, God is not an Atheist, because, on some level, he knows there is a possibility that he doesn't exist. Correct? If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | some people don't even deserve to have me stick Ned's ass in their mouth. Quoting: antaunOh. Almost forgot. The sticky side of the liner goes AGAINST the panties. Might improve your attitude, chum. If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516046 United States 11/11/2009 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Quoting: WingedlionAssumption: God exists. Error #1 in logic. Defining Constants: God is all knowing, all powerful, all present. It's impossible to be all three, it's a logical false flag. If you're all knowing, then you know what is going to happen and therefore are powerless to prevent it or do anything besides what you know is going to happen. Therefore nothing can be both all knowing and all powerful. That isn't even bringing up the all present, which even increases the logical impossibility of being both all knowing and all powerful. An atheist does not follow any religion. Logic path: There is no one or no thing greater then god. There is no entity for God to worship. God is an Atheist. Errors in my logic? Bottom section is too impossible to even begin to take apart. Basically you put a bunch false things together based upon flawed reasoning. What an apex of Spiritual retardation, first, the "future" is the past as far as God is concerned, and all that could be done, is currently being done to prevent whatever your small mind thinks needs to be prevented. Secondly, just because He is all Knowing, does not mean that He is powerless to do anything about something, for He is also "All Powerful". And lastly, God's wisdom is far greater than anything human logic can conceive. He knows the Future, because to Him, it is the past, it is all one, and He has provided all things to work acording to His will. Nothing "slips by Him". Hope this helps, but I doubt it. good explanation. The problem is you need a true definition of God. He defines himself in the Holy bible as the generator of the flow of time. This forward/backward time flow is being examined. What's behind the big bang? |
Bob (OP) User ID: 673258 United States 11/11/2009 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But even though God is all these things, it still does not negate the personal responsibility that freewill provides to the individual. You can't blame God for your mistakes just because He knew you were going to commit them, The mistakes, and their consequences are still yours to have because He does honor freewill. Quoting: WingedlionJust because He knows the future, does not release you from responsibility for you do have a choice. And that is why you are a spiritual retard. Sigh. Okay, Off topic, but I'll deal with this one. If God is as I defined him, then there is no free will in the classic sense. That would mean, that all the choices have already been made and we're just living out the results of those choices. You can believe that means you have free will, and that you already made the choices before you were born. Since we already made our choices, then this entire argument is pointless, since we already had it. Back to the original question... If you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget. Welcome to Night Vale. |
MagiChristmas User ID: 554973 United States 11/11/2009 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | some people don't even deserve to have me stick Ned's ass in their mouth. Quoting: BobOh. Almost forgot. The sticky side of the liner goes AGAINST the panties. Might improve your attitude, chum. Only a true spiritual retard could possibly possess such unfathonable wisdom. |
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WrecksDeus User ID: 804239 United States 11/11/2009 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God exists and He is all knowing, All seeing, all powerful, and All present, then there is no free will, because all possible outcomes have already occurred. Quoting: BobTIme is not linear, you are free to explore all possible outcomes. "And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life." |
antaun User ID: 801232 United States 11/11/2009 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't say that God worships himself you mother fucker! I said that God believes that HE is a God you doo doo snacking fucker! :4: Quoting: BobGod is not just God to a lower being. He refers to himself as the Lord God in the Bible all the time. Man some people don't even deserve to have me stick Ned's ass in their mouth. No. You state that God BELIEVES in himself. Belief is an act of faith. Example: I believe there is a salad on the table in the other room. Now, I might be wrong, because I cannot see the other room and the salad may have been knocked to the floor by a cat in search of bacon bits. There is a possibility that I am wrong, so I cannot say with absolute certainty that there is a salad ON the table. I merely believe it so, since I have no evidence to the contrary. So, By your statements, God is not an Atheist, because, on some level, he knows there is a possibility that he doesn't exist. Correct? Belief is not an act of faith fool! And you DID actually get it right when you said that by my statements God is not an atheist. You were right! That's the exact point I'm trying to make. And there is no possibility that God knows on some level that he doesn't exist. |
WrecksDeus User ID: 804239 United States 11/11/2009 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would also counter with: Quoting: BobBelief is faith. Faith is not based on knowledge. God KNOWS he exists, he does not BELIEVE he exists. God has knowledge of his existence, not faith. God doesn't believe in himself, he knows he exists and he wouldn't have any doubt. God couldn't make that 'leap of faith' that most religions a=b is false Belief is not faith Belief is what a man thinks to be true Faith is what a man knows to be true because it has been experienced And yes I know, todays usage of faith is "I really really really believe so strongly, that it is true, to the contrary of any and all evidence." In other words "I am willfully ignorant" "And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life." |
WrecksDeus User ID: 804239 United States 11/11/2009 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | on with yo bad selves! "And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 833398 United States 12/04/2009 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are all-powerful then you can completely control everything that happens, thus you are all-knowing even if only because your prophecies are all self-fulfilling. Quoting: BobExactly. If God exists and He is all knowing, All seeing, all powerful, and All present, then there is no free will, because all possible outcomes have already occurred. Which is completely off topic to my question. Is God an Atheist? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 833712 South Africa 12/04/2009 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Quoting: BobAssumption: God exists. Defining Constants: God is all knowing, all powerful, all present. An atheist does not follow any religion. Logic path: There is no one or no thing greater then god. There is no entity for God to worship. God is an Atheist. Errors in my logic? Error: - an atheist is someone that denies the existence of God. God certainly does not deny His own existence, therefore He is not an atheist. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 803157 United States 12/04/2009 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Quoting: BobAssumption: God exists. Defining Constants: God is all knowing, all powerful, all present. An atheist does not follow any religion. Logic path: There is no one or no thing greater then god. There is no entity for God to worship. God is an Atheist. Errors in my logic? WRONG God believes in Himself. |