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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311438
Canada
11/12/2009 10:10 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I have fasted for 3 days several times, I have fasted for
7 days on one occasion (water only).

The Lord has always blessed me with insight
and Revelation as a result of each fast.

When I fast, I dedicate my fast to The Lord.
I pray and read more than normal during fasts.

I do not reveal to anyone that I am fasting,
it is between Myself and God.

It never grows old.

It is a time of focusing on God Almighty.
TwinSister
User ID: 683425
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11/12/2009 10:18 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I have fasted for 3 days several times, I have fasted for
7 days on one occasion (water only).

The Lord has always blessed me with insight
and Revelation as a result of each fast.

When I fast, I dedicate my fast to The Lord.
I pray and read more than normal during fasts.

I do not reveal to anyone that I am fasting,
it is between Myself and God.

It never grows old.

It is a time of focusing on God Almighty.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438



When I want insight, I just ask God, He said if any lack wisdom let him ask!, I don't have to fast to get it, just gotta ask.

I know how to focus too. It's called go to an area with minimal distracts and none if there is one. Don't need to fast.

I do not tell anyone I am not fasting, just myself and God.

I have read and continue to read my bible every single day for the past 4 years and have never skipped a day. I pray and read the same no more no less. Morning and night and at times during the day. No fast here either.

My point is I can do what you do too and not fast. So why do it unless you want to try and give God a gift by giving up a flesh desire or something?

I am no trying to discourage you I just don't understand the fasting thing unless you were jewish or muslim or catholic , or some other denomination that has regulations and stuff.
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TwinSister
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11/12/2009 10:21 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I, I, I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me, me... see a pattern? You ARE full of pride.

Or he could just be giving a testimony.


There is a reason that Jesus told his disciples when they pray, do not pray as the hypocrites do, making a big show of it. Or when they fast, do not fast as the hypocrites do, making a big show of it. Or when they give, etc... It's obvious that Wingedlion is indeed making a big show of it, instead of just keeping his/her mouth shut and doing God's will.


Fasting is a work.

Not all the disciples fasted.

Matt 9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not.

"thy disciples fast NOT."

Jewish fasting was being done here, not all the disciples were Jewish. There were at one time 120 disciples, not all of them fasted.


This author provides a good explanation.

Seek to be worthy of praise. sun


From the clerical collar to the special robes and vestments; from the special seats and reserved pews to the use of special titles to be used when addressing them; we see modern men-of-the-cloth using the same sorts of practises as did the scribes and Pharisees of the first century. - [link to s8int.com]

. . .

Jesus explained it this way: ... - [link to www.14lds.com]

MC


Magi,
All throughout history, Christians have honored God by offering Him their best! Look at the cathedrals, the famed artwork, the tabernacles which hold Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament! He deserves the honor and worship and this
is a way to show God, using the beauty of such beautiful objects.
According to your article, what a waste, Michaelangelo
and his effort.

Reconsider.



Article of Faith #13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. - [link to scriptures.lds.org]

Seek to be worthy of praise.
On the one hand, we're supposed to "seek after" things that are "of good report or praiseworthy" (Philippians 4:8).

On the other hand, if we "aspire to the honors of men," we're doing something wrong (D&C 121:35).

How can we seek to be praiseworthy -- without seeking praise? That sounds like a bit of a tightrope walk to me!

There is a subtle distinction that we should not miss: Paul does not tell us to seek praise, but rather to seek after things that are praiseworthy and of good report.

In other words, we emulate, not what is praised, but what should be praised; not just things that are reported, but things that are of good report. And there is no implication that we should seek to have others give good reports about us.

Oh, wait. There's Matthew 5:15-16: "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

So we are supposed to let "men" see our good works, while at the same time we do not "aspire to the honors of men."

In the words of StrongBad: My head a splode!

Yet perhaps the distinction is quite simple after all. When men see our good works, it is so they will glorify God. When we aspire to the honors of men, it is so they will glorify us.

That's familiar ground, isn't it? Council in heaven, Christ's attitude versus Satan's.

But we can't control what other people think. Even if we say, "Don't praise me, praise God," that can actually come across smarmily, as if we were saying, "Whatever I do, that was really God doing it," which claims a certain chumminess with the Lord.

It's something any hypocrite can say, and most do.

I've seen writers make claims of divine guidance about the worst writing, devoid of ideas or truth or talent or skill.

When I worked as an assistant editor at the Ensign back in the 1970s, it seemed that the only submissions that the authors claimed were inspired by God were those that were hopelessly unpublishable.

And besides, right alongside "Let your light so shine before men" we have: "Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward" (Matthew 6:2).

Let's make our fine distinction even finer. The King James version was translated in an era when the distinction between "thou" and "ye" was still clear. "Thou/thee/thy" was singular, and "ye/you/your" plural.

So the Savior was telling us as a group to let our light shine before men, while as individuals we are supposed to conceal our good works: "When thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth" (Matthew 6:3).

There are some careers in which fame and success cannot be separated. If you're an actor, for instance, or a musician, or a writer, it is hard to do your work secretly -- what's the point, if there's no audience? And if you do your work well, and many people seek to enjoy it, and tell their friends, then you will be, to one degree or another, famous.

It is very easy, in such careers, to start measuring your success by the amount of fame or honors you receive.

Fame is like nicotine: Even a single dose can set up a dependency. Many begin to shape their work and their lives in order to get more and bigger hits of fame.

Speaking as one who has had a little bit of splash in a very small pond, I have seen how the hunger for awards and recognition and fame -- "the honors of men" -- sours the lives of those who can never get enough of it.

And you can never get enough of it.

Why? Because the thrill of fame lasts about 15 seconds, and then it's gone.

Or else you start to believe the praise and think you deserve it -- not your work, you -- which leads to a sense of entitlement that makes you miserable to live with.

Our job -- whether we're in a fame-inducing career or not -- is to do the best work we can, in both senses of "best": best in quality of workmanship, and best in moral value to those who receive it.

Those who do good work will usually have the respect of those who know what good work is. If you aspire to do good things and do them well, then respect will come from those whose respect is worth having. If there are large numbers of people who value your work, good for them -- but you are no better than any other person who does good, and does it well.

Fame -- being known to ever larger numbers of people, winning prizes, getting magazine and television coverage -- is not worth crossing the street for.

Because fame is the admiration or adulation that comes to you; what makes you happy is the love you give to other people.

Fame comes and goes with the whims and tastes of the public. The love you give stays given.

Orson Scott Card is a writer of nonfiction and fiction, from LDS works to popular fiction. “In the Village” appears Thursdays in the Deseret News - [link to www.mormontimes.com]

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Against All Odds
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11/12/2009 10:22 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Ephesians 6
13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
19Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.




4Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist,

Here we go. First, why is a belt important? And why is it truth? So, what's the connection between the two?

Well, back in the day, there were no zippers or elastic. A few had buttons, but for the most part, a belt was the only way to hold-up your pants.

Truth - That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.

Well, how good would you be at sword to sword combat if your pants kept falling down? You would have to let go of either your sword or your shield and fight one handed, while holding up your pants with the other hand.

Thus, if you do not speak truth, whether you lack the truth or deliberately speak it falsely, you also sacrifice your faith or your the Word of God or both. If you do not believe that the Word of God is truth, then you cannot use it as a weapon (because you'll constantly be holding-up your pants). If your faith cannot withstand attacks from others, then you'll trip over your own pants.


with the breastplate of righteousness in place.

Righteousness - Morally upright; without guilt or sin.

The breastplate of righteousness and the helmet of salvation are very closely related. They both defend vital organs. Now, the purpose of heavy armor like this is to lessen damage received from swords and arrows. Yet, psychologically, putting on armor reduces a soldier's fear in battle. In modern terms, which soldier would be less afraid, one with a bullet proof vest and helm? Or the one without it?

The same applies in spiritual warfare. Jonah fled God's will because he was afraid. He knew God had the power, but he still feared for his life. So in order to fully follow God's will, we must have no fear. Now the thing about these pieces is that Jesus is the one who takes away this fear. Because of his death on the cross, we should have nothing to be afraid of. Death is no longer an issue for the Christian, because Jesus has conquered death. Thus we should never fear doing the Will of the Lord.

Shield of Faith
Sword of the Spirit (Word of God)

Now, what most people don't realize is that you can attack with both your sword and your shield. Likewise, you can defend with both your shield and your sword (parry).

Now I'm sure most people have met others who carry no sword, but have a large shield. These are people when you quote Scripture to them, they reply, "I don't know, I just have faith" (Many Catholics I've met are like this).

Likewise, you'll see someone carrying a 2-handed sword. These are the people who immediately quote Scripture right after you. No matter what you say, they have another verse waiting (even though it may not be relevant).

However, the point is that in the real world, we are on our own. And if you're on your own in the battlefield you need both a sword and a shield, because you must be prepared for any type of enemy you face if you want to survive.

19Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel

Finally, this is the most-important part of the verse. I'm not sure why Paul didn't assign this to a piece of armor, but to me this is the key to any spiritual warfare. (Humility).

We must never forget that it is not us doing the warfare. It is the Holy Spirit who speaks through us. It is the the Holy Spirit who gives us knowledge to use, not our own knowledge. It is the Holy Spirit who casts out demons. It is the Holy Spirit that gives us the power to perform miracles. For without the Holy Spirit we are nothing. We must never become proud of our achievements, because they are not "our" achievements. They are the work of God performed through us. So, we must always give glory to God.

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.
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ThreshingSword
User ID: 762510
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11/12/2009 10:24 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I do believe in fasting and have done it. Jesus did it. But I only do it when led by the Lord to do it.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311438
Canada
11/12/2009 10:31 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I do believe in fasting and have done it. Jesus did it. But I only do it when led by the Lord to do it.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword


Agreed, that has been my experience.
TwinSister
User ID: 683425
United States
11/12/2009 10:32 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

So Threshingsword why do you fast if you don't mind me asking?
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TwinSister
User ID: 683425
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11/12/2009 10:33 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

So Threshingsword why do you fast if you don't mind me asking?
 Quoting: TwinSister

I know you said Jesus did but for what reason would you fast?
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B
User ID: 807680
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11/12/2009 10:33 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Well, the problem with most Christians is, one, they're afraid of Satan and his army of fallen angels and demons, and two, they don't completely grasp what Jesus has accomplished for them and what kind of power that and living a holy Spirit-filled life can accomplish.

For instance, the lady who leads this Bible study I am attending told her class the other day that the angels are more powerful than us. I said no, they aren't, because they don't have the living God abiding in their body as His temple like we do. This places us above the angels in spiritual authority because we are seated with Christ in the heavenly realm. Ephesians 2:6. She shook her head at me, cut me off, and went on to something else. This is a lady in her 60s who has been a Christian nearly all her life and is TEACHING Bible studies. How much more ignorant are those regular folks in the pews...

So bottom line, don't expect a lot of Christians to enter the realm of spiritual warfare. Those types are few and far between. But God only needs a few, like he did with Gideon's army of 300.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword


If you are casting out demons, please remember to bind
them at the cross. Then ask Jesus to fill you or the
person you delivered with the Holy Spirit and his Holy
Light. Peace be with you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 817116
United States
11/12/2009 10:39 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

The thread invitation:
"!!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!"

And so I did. I feel at home with so many Christian sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, maybe some moms and dads.

"Whoever hears and does the Words of My Father is my mother, sister, and brother."

We are all family.
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ThreshingSword
User ID: 762510
United States
11/12/2009 10:40 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

So Threshingsword why do you fast if you don't mind me asking?
 Quoting: TwinSister


Well, I fasted about three years ago for a Godly husband because I felt like the Lord was wanting me to do that. Still waiting though!

I fasted a little while ago for something personal that I can't say here that the Lord told me to do. Trust me... it's not like I get up in the morning and think to myself, gee, I want to fast, it's so much fun. It's like the last thing I want to do. But you know when the Lord is telling you to do something, He impresses it upon you, and more than likely, it is something you don't want to do at all.

But those are two examples.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!

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ThreshingSword
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11/12/2009 10:44 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

If you are casting out demons, please remember to bind
them at the cross. Then ask Jesus to fill you or the
person you delivered with the Holy Spirit and his Holy
Light. Peace be with you.
 Quoting: B 807680


You know, I've never cast out a demon in real life here, but I have battled with them in the astral realm, and it's amazing to see Jesus Christ's power at work. I would love to have a ministry here on Earth doing that, traveling around casting out demons. I've told the Lord I want to do that for years, but He hasn't led me to do that as of yet. Maybe He will.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!

ThreshingSword@live.com
moops
User ID: 788190
United States
11/12/2009 10:45 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

10-4
MOOPS,spreading joy and mayhem :)
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TwinSister
User ID: 683425
United States
11/12/2009 10:45 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

As said in John

Speaking of Jesus
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
Did the word fast then?

Where did fasting originate from in the New Testament? Was it a Jewish custom?

Was Jesus' family Jewish?

I see no command other than to the diciples to fast.

But I do see this........Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Now that fast I like, the one he has chosen!
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II-Neutron
User ID: 812014
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11/12/2009 10:46 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I, I, I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me, me... see a pattern? You ARE full of pride.



Or he could just be giving a testimony.


There is a reason that Jesus told his disciples when they pray, do not pray as the hypocrites do, making a big show of it. Or when they fast, do not fast as the hypocrites do, making a big show of it. Or when they give, etc... It's obvious that Wingedlion is indeed making a big show of it, instead of just keeping his/her mouth shut and doing God's will.


Fasting is a work.

Not all the disciples fasted.

Matt 9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not.

"thy disciples fast NOT."

Jewish fasting was being done here, not all the disciples were Jewish. There were at one time 120 disciples, not all of them fasted.


Thanks? Yet what you've posted has nothing to do with what you're replying to.


Jesus said "when you fast" not if, perhaps and by chance.

So we are to fast. Plain and simple.


He said when you fast to some of the disciple not to all of them.
 Quoting: TwinSister


How do you support that position, where in the word does he include some and exclude others?

As well he said that some unclean spirits will only come out with prayer AND fasting. Who here does not need deliverance from time to time?

If it was good for the master it is good for you. Please readers do not think it optional. Give it at least a day. Daniels fast, oh boy there are so many in the word who have, god called for fasts, his prophets declared them in the name of the Lord.

Now if you think that you should never have the benefit of fasting as prescribed in the bible so be it, if you are a pompous hypocrite and would boast of your fasting to make you look more godly you do what you must.

For those that are called by his name you will know that you will want to do what was done by the Lord as we are to be imitators of Christ and he has said it is good for us. Plain and simple. Don't let other teachings rob you of the blessing of doing what you are called to do. Forsake not his ways and forget not the Lords benefits.
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TwinSister
User ID: 683425
United States
11/12/2009 10:46 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

The thread invitation:
"!!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!"

And so I did. I feel at home with so many Christian sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, maybe some moms and dads.

"Whoever hears and does the Words of My Father is my mother, sister, and brother."

We are all family.
.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817116

hf
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moops
User ID: 788190
United States
11/12/2009 10:47 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Well, the problem with most Christians is, one, they're afraid of Satan and his army of fallen angels and demons, and two, they don't completely grasp what Jesus has accomplished for them and what kind of power that and living a holy Spirit-filled life can accomplish.

For instance, the lady who leads this Bible study I am attending told her class the other day that the angels are more powerful than us. I said no, they aren't, because they don't have the living God abiding in their body as His temple like we do. This places us above the angels in spiritual authority because we are seated with Christ in the heavenly realm. Ephesians 2:6. She shook her head at me, cut me off, and went on to something else. This is a lady in her 60s who has been a Christian nearly all her life and is TEACHING Bible studies. How much more ignorant are those regular folks in the pews...

So bottom line, don't expect a lot of Christians to enter the realm of spiritual warfare. Those types are few and far between. But God only needs a few, like he did with Gideon's army of 300.


If you are casting out demons, please remember to bind
them at the cross. Then ask Jesus to fill you or the
person you delivered with the Holy Spirit and his Holy
Light. Peace be with you.
 Quoting: B 807680


if you see a demon, you do what i do,STEER CLEAR. Jesus will handle them.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 817116
United States
11/12/2009 10:48 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

You know, I've never cast out a demon in real life here, but I have battled with them in the astral realm, and it's amazing to see Jesus Christ's power at work. I would love to have a ministry here on Earth doing that, traveling around casting out demons. I've told the Lord I want to do that for years, but He hasn't led me to do that as of yet. Maybe He will.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword


I have so wanted to go into hospitals and clean them out! It hasn't been given to me to do that. Perhaps, it's been left to others, and that's OK as long as somebody gets the job done...anybody. The rejoicing would be the same.
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TwinSister
User ID: 683425
United States
11/12/2009 10:56 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I, I, I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me, me... see a pattern? You ARE full of pride.



Or he could just be giving a testimony.


There is a reason that Jesus told his disciples when they pray, do not pray as the hypocrites do, making a big show of it. Or when they fast, do not fast as the hypocrites do, making a big show of it. Or when they give, etc... It's obvious that Wingedlion is indeed making a big show of it, instead of just keeping his/her mouth shut and doing God's will.


Fasting is a work.

Not all the disciples fasted.

Matt 9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not.

"thy disciples fast NOT."

Jewish fasting was being done here, not all the disciples were Jewish. There were at one time 120 disciples, not all of them fasted.


Thanks? Yet what you've posted has nothing to do with what you're replying to.


Jesus said "when you fast" not if, perhaps and by chance.

So we are to fast. Plain and simple.


He said when you fast to some of the disciple not to all of them.


How do you support that position, where in the word does he include some and exclude others?

As well he said that some unclean spirits will only come out with prayer AND fasting. Who here does not need deliverance from time to time?

If it was good for the master it is good for you. Please readers do not think it optional. Give it at least a day. Daniels fast, oh boy there are so many in the word who have, god called for fasts, his prophets declared them in the name of the Lord.

Now if you think that you should never have the benefit of fasting as prescribed in the bible so be it, if you are a pompous hypocrite and would boast of your fasting to make you look more godly you do what you must.

For those that are called by his name you will know that you will want to do what was done by the Lord as we are to be imitators of Christ and he has said it is good for us. Plain and simple. Don't let other teachings rob you of the blessing of doing what you are called to do. Forsake not his ways and forget not the Lords benefits.
 Quoting: II-Neutron



The support is in scripture, do you think there were only 12 diciples?


Read again there are many.

Reading Paul and Peters situation about non jewish christians and it is clearly stated, they do not have to follow Jewish customs.

An unclean spirit will not be in your body when the Holy Spirit resides in you, how ridiculous! An unclean spirit is DEMONIC!!!! Jesus had destroyed all that at the CROSS!!! What are you saying?

You are working for salvation! So you deny the gift of Christ!

Jesus Christ our wisdom and understanding!
Jesus Christ the AUTHOR and FINISHER of faith, and the word "our" in front of faith was an added word in italics, and men added italic words to the word of GOD!!!!!

Last Edited by TwinSister on 11/12/2009 at 11:01 PM
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Anonymous Coward
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11/12/2009 11:03 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Fasting is a work.

James: Show me your faith, and I'll show you my works.

You see, faith is dead without works. You have to act on it.
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ThreshingSword
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11/12/2009 11:09 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

You know, I've never cast out a demon in real life here, but I have battled with them in the astral realm, and it's amazing to see Jesus Christ's power at work. I would love to have a ministry here on Earth doing that, traveling around casting out demons. I've told the Lord I want to do that for years, but He hasn't led me to do that as of yet. Maybe He will.


I have so wanted to go into hospitals and clean them out! It hasn't been given to me to do that. Perhaps, it's been left to others, and that's OK as long as somebody gets the job done...anybody. The rejoicing would be the same.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817116


You mean the mental hospitals? I'm sure you would be quite busy!

I particularly hate them because of how they've tormented me since early childhood. I have a personal vendetta against demons.

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Anonymous Coward
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11/12/2009 11:14 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Here is a good article about fasting for those uncertain of it's purpose. Interestingly enough, all major religions have benefited from it. Enjoy!

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II-Neutron
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11/12/2009 11:21 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Fasting is a work.

Not all the disciples fasted.

Matt 9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not.

"thy disciples fast NOT."

Jewish fasting was being done here, not all the disciples were Jewish. There were at one time 120 disciples, not all of them fasted.


Thanks? Yet what you've posted has nothing to do with what you're replying to.


Jesus said "when you fast" not if, perhaps and by chance.

So we are to fast. Plain and simple.


He said when you fast to some of the disciple not to all of them.


How do you support that position, where in the word does he include some and exclude others?

As well he said that some unclean spirits will only come out with prayer AND fasting. Who here does not need deliverance from time to time?

If it was good for the master it is good for you. Please readers do not think it optional. Give it at least a day. Daniels fast, oh boy there are so many in the word who have, god called for fasts, his prophets declared them in the name of the Lord.

Now if you think that you should never have the benefit of fasting as prescribed in the bible so be it, if you are a pompous hypocrite and would boast of your fasting to make you look more godly you do what you must.

For those that are called by his name you will know that you will want to do what was done by the Lord as we are to be imitators of Christ and he has said it is good for us. Plain and simple. Don't let other teachings rob you of the blessing of doing what you are called to do. Forsake not his ways and forget not the Lords benefits.



The support is in scripture, do you think there were only 12 diciples?


Read again there are many.

Reading Paul and Peters situation about non jewish christians and it is clearly stated, they do not have to follow Jewish customs.

An unclean spirit will not be in your body when the Holy Spirit resides in you, how ridiculous! An unclean spirit is DEMONIC!!!! Jesus had destroyed all that at the CROSS!!! What are you saying?

You are working for salvation! So you deny the gift of Christ!

Jesus Christ our wisdom and understanding!
Jesus Christ the AUTHOR and FINISHER of faith, and the word "our" in front of faith was an added word in italics, and men added italic words to the word of GOD!!!!!
 Quoting: TwinSister


"You are working for salvation! So you deny the gift of Christ! " You know me not and I have said no such thing, yours is a statement and is duly noted. I am not rebuked by it I must say, and The Lord not I rebuke you should you need it. The accuser often like to rear his ugly head through the flesh, and I assure you you leveled a judgment and a un truthful accusation against me, one who is in Christ so you bring both him and I to your railing. I forgive you as I believe you know not what you do.

A born again man/women can still operate in jealosuy, envy, unforgiveness, and all manner of unclean spirits. Born again people can still be oppressed and operate in anger, envy, from time to time, they overcome this and the world/devil by he who is greater inside them than he who is in the world. This is further demonstrated by Paul who says he has a thorn in his flesh, and does the things he loathes and loathes the things he does.


David having been anointed with the Holy Ghost prayed the will of god that He create in him a clean heart and renew a right spirit within him. He as well many times in the psalms pleaded to be delivered, for his soul, his body, his spirit, his heart.


In any event I have come to this thread to contribute sound doctrine, not to hijack a thread. May God Bless you, may it be well with you and I do hope that you will exhibit more love in your public writings. That would best serve those who have yet to come to know the saving grace of Jesus Christ my Lord.
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11/12/2009 11:21 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I have so wanted to go into hospitals and clean them out! It hasn't been given to me to do that. Perhaps, it's been left to others, and that's OK as long as somebody gets the job done...anybody. The rejoicing would be the same.
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You mean the mental hospitals? I'm sure you would be quite busy!

I particularly hate them because of how they've tormented me since early childhood. I have a personal vendetta against demons.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword


I was thinking along the lines of regular hospitals where people are suffering. I doubt I am strong enough to wade into a mental hospital and chase out the demons.

I leave that to you warriors out there who can do battle with those evil entities. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. :(
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TwinSister
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11/12/2009 11:29 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

So Threshingsword why do you fast if you don't mind me asking?


Well, I fasted about three years ago for a Godly husband because I felt like the Lord was wanting me to do that. Still waiting though!

I fasted a little while ago for something personal that I can't say here that the Lord told me to do. Trust me... it's not like I get up in the morning and think to myself, gee, I want to fast, it's so much fun. It's like the last thing I want to do. But you know when the Lord is telling you to do something, He impresses it upon you, and more than likely, it is something you don't want to do at all.

But those are two examples.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword

Thanks for sharing that. I have never asked anyone specifically about why.
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ThreshingSword
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11/12/2009 11:32 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I have so wanted to go into hospitals and clean them out! It hasn't been given to me to do that. Perhaps, it's been left to others, and that's OK as long as somebody gets the job done...anybody. The rejoicing would be the same.
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You mean the mental hospitals? I'm sure you would be quite busy!

I particularly hate them because of how they've tormented me since early childhood. I have a personal vendetta against demons.


I was thinking along the lines of regular hospitals where people are suffering. I doubt I am strong enough to wade into a mental hospital and chase out the demons.

I leave that to you warriors out there who can do battle with those evil entities. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. :(
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817116


Ah, you mean healing! Yes, what a blessing that would be. That's what the early church did. Now, they had power! The salt has lost its savor.

That's good, because the flesh needs to be weak for the Spirit to be strong! You need to ask God to really show you who you are in Christ Jesus and what kind of power you possess by being Spirit filled and living a life of Holiness. Don't sell short what Jesus accomplished for you, and I mean that in all love. May God richly bless your life, in Jesus name. hf

BTW, I am a woman, and I am nothing. The only power I have comes through Jesus and because of Him.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!

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TwinSister
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11/12/2009 11:42 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

Fasting is a work.

Not all the disciples fasted.

Matt 9:14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not.

"thy disciples fast NOT."

Jewish fasting was being done here, not all the disciples were Jewish. There were at one time 120 disciples, not all of them fasted.


Thanks? Yet what you've posted has nothing to do with what you're replying to.


Jesus said "when you fast" not if, perhaps and by chance.

So we are to fast. Plain and simple.


He said when you fast to some of the disciple not to all of them.


How do you support that position, where in the word does he include some and exclude others?

As well he said that some unclean spirits will only come out with prayer AND fasting. Who here does not need deliverance from time to time?

If it was good for the master it is good for you. Please readers do not think it optional. Give it at least a day. Daniels fast, oh boy there are so many in the word who have, god called for fasts, his prophets declared them in the name of the Lord.

Now if you think that you should never have the benefit of fasting as prescribed in the bible so be it, if you are a pompous hypocrite and would boast of your fasting to make you look more godly you do what you must.

For those that are called by his name you will know that you will want to do what was done by the Lord as we are to be imitators of Christ and he has said it is good for us. Plain and simple. Don't let other teachings rob you of the blessing of doing what you are called to do. Forsake not his ways and forget not the Lords benefits.



The support is in scripture, do you think there were only 12 diciples?


Read again there are many.

Reading Paul and Peters situation about non jewish christians and it is clearly stated, they do not have to follow Jewish customs.

An unclean spirit will not be in your body when the Holy Spirit resides in you, how ridiculous! An unclean spirit is DEMONIC!!!! Jesus had destroyed all that at the CROSS!!! What are you saying?

You are working for salvation! So you deny the gift of Christ!

Jesus Christ our wisdom and understanding!
Jesus Christ the AUTHOR and FINISHER of faith, and the word "our" in front of faith was an added word in italics, and men added italic words to the word of GOD!!!!!


"You are working for salvation! So you deny the gift of Christ! " You know me not and I have said no such thing, yours is a statement and is duly noted. I am not rebuked by it I must say, and The Lord not I rebuke you should you need it. The accuser often like to rear his ugly head through the flesh, and I assure you you leveled a judgment and a un truthful accusation against me, one who is in Christ so you bring both him and I to your railing. I forgive you as I believe you know not what you do.

A born again man/women can still operate in jealosuy, envy, unforgiveness, and all manner of unclean spirits. Born again people can still be oppressed and operate in anger, envy, from time to time, they overcome this and the world/devil by he who is greater inside them than he who is in the world. This is further demonstrated by Paul who says he has a thorn in his flesh, and does the things he loathes and loathes the things he does.


David having been anointed with the Holy Ghost prayed the will of god that He create in him a clean heart and renew a right spirit within him. He as well many times in the psalms pleaded to be delivered, for his soul, his body, his spirit, his heart.


In any event I have come to this thread to contribute sound doctrine, not to hijack a thread. May God Bless you, may it be well with you and I do hope that you will exhibit more love in your public writings. That would best serve those who have yet to come to know the saving grace of Jesus Christ my Lord.
 Quoting: II-Neutron


I apologize for upsetting you. That was not my intent. It is well with me.Doesn't the bible say that the Holy Spirit was not given to them during the old covenant, God did not send his son to them, it was to be in the new covenant that Christ would dwell in believers. Read and see why Paul had that thorn, it was given him of satan lest he be exhalted by the revelations he saw. Is this not true?

Yes David did much pleading and he also confirmed the goodness of God and God delivered him everytime. The old testament times were cruel and evil with giants and stuff don't you agree?
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TwinSister
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11/12/2009 11:43 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

I have so wanted to go into hospitals and clean them out! It hasn't been given to me to do that. Perhaps, it's been left to others, and that's OK as long as somebody gets the job done...anybody. The rejoicing would be the same.
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You mean the mental hospitals? I'm sure you would be quite busy!

I particularly hate them because of how they've tormented me since early childhood. I have a personal vendetta against demons.


I was thinking along the lines of regular hospitals where people are suffering. I doubt I am strong enough to wade into a mental hospital and chase out the demons.

I leave that to you warriors out there who can do battle with those evil entities. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. :(
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Ah, you mean healing! Yes, what a blessing that would be. That's what the early church did. Now, they had power! The salt has lost its savor.

That's good, because the flesh needs to be weak for the Spirit to be strong! You need to ask God to really show you who you are in Christ Jesus and what kind of power you possess by being Spirit filled and living a life of Holiness. Don't sell short what Jesus accomplished for you, and I mean that in all love. May God richly bless your life, in Jesus name. hf

BTW, I am a woman, and I am nothing. The only power I have comes through Jesus and because of Him.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword

hf
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11/12/2009 11:47 PM
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'Too bad' that you, proclaiming to be a 'lamb', speak as a dragon.

Why do you have such a haughty, prideful spirit?

Unbecoming fruits.



What complete inability to spiritually discern. Thank God Jesus Christ is my judge and He is the only one that I have to be accountible to.

First, of all, it isn't pride, but confidence knowing my place in God's will; secondly, I have been specially prepared and annointed for this kind of ministry (spiritual warfare).
And lastly, you only presume that it is hauty because of why? because of your unbelief? or is it because it isn't you that was chosen for the big job of cleaning out the Nephilim (giants).

At one time the world's most powerful witch, and high queen over all of what is known as the Illuminati, told me that there were more verses in the Bible about me, than there were of her. I was shocked by her statement, but then the Lord showed me what she was talking about.

If you hear from the Lord God at all I would highly recomend that you seek the Lord and ask Him if I am being prideful and hauty or if it is you, touching the Lord's anointed. I have suffered great torture and persecution by the hands of the world's most powerful Satanist, unless you can say the same about your life, what value does your opinion hold?


Then may the El who reveals hearts and gives wisdom freely for the asking lead me to the truth.

I am not above His chastisements.

If He DOES reveal to me that you are who you say you are, I will publically repent and apologize to you.

Good enough?



Good enough for me!

I for one will not submit or bow to you, you are a proud and selfexalting person. You must stop debasing the bretheren YOU ARE OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE NICOLATATINS and Jesus tells us not to tolerate you ....so please leave our discussion, you are not welcome! If you write me I will not answer, if you swear at me I will not answer, if you speak evil of me I will pray for you. Dip your robe in the Blood of the Lamb, the time for arrogance is rapidly coming to an end my friend.

This is the doctrine of the Nicolatians

Matthew 23

1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816640

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11/12/2009 11:50 PM
Re: !!!!!!!!!!Christians Please Enter!!!!!!!!!!Quote

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