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Back Up Generators
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scimitar
User ID: 599315
 United States
11/13/2009 1:25 PM
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ET,
Damn..... You'll find a way I know, no matter what happens.
One Truth.... many realities |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 679397
United States
11/13/2009 1:30 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
No experience with the Chinese diesels, sorry.
I bought a 10 kw generator head and rigged up a detachable bracket & extra pulley to run it off my diesel tractor. Sized the pulleys so the tractor can idle @ 800 rpm's and turn the genny @ 2400 where it's rated. It'll run for almost a week straight on 8 gal. of fuel. Takes about 15 minutes to set up and cost about $350 in parts. (I already had the wire)
Pics (with lots of details and closeups and maybe some deminsions) or it didn't happen!
ROFL...don't have pics handy...maybe next time I have it set up...you can see the rear fender and hydraulic controls for the front end loader in this pic, just to prove I have the tractor, lol.
:k31: Quoting: Evil Twin
Yup a Deutz (that right I can tell by just seeing the fender), I am rebuilding a Massey ferguson 245 right now, but will only need it a couple time a year for my garden. If I could set it up to be a generator, maybe I could justify the expence. So when you get time I would love to see some pictures.
BTW 10,000 KW sufficent to run a house? |
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Avian 
Got Gold?
User ID: 801787
United States
11/13/2009 1:33 PM
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Avian,
I think you should consider a propane powered whole house generator........Propane won't go bad. I realize diesel will last a long time but it has problem as well. Propane has an indefinite shelf life.
Just a thought.
When I finally get a house built on my property I'm going to get a 500 gallon propane tank. Think of the possibilities.
LOL. give it a rest
It's not just that diesel fuel stores better. Diesel generators can be modified to run on regular vegetable oil & the engines themselves last longer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817411
those were my primary thoughts as well
I have 550 gallons of fuel oil at home for heating, but have a wood boiler that burns coal also...so I would have 100 days or more of solid back up generation if need be.
fight my brute phucktards
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Avian
Got Gold?
User ID: 801787
United States
11/13/2009 1:36 PM
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Invest in solar instead. Generators are noisy and need fuel & parts.
I love my solar. No moving parts and it's silent. Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
so you have full battery back up as well?
fight my brute phucktards
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 817411
United States
11/13/2009 1:37 PM | |
Avian
Got Gold?
User ID: 801787
United States
11/13/2009 1:39 PM
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BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
User ID: 381742
United States
11/13/2009 1:39 PM
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Invest in solar instead. Generators are noisy and need fuel & parts.
I love my solar. No moving parts and it's silent.
so you have full battery back up as well? Quoting: Avian
Yep, about 20 deep cycle batteries and two inverters. One is a 5000 watt and the other is 6000. It works beautifully.
Last Edited by BRIEF AND TO THE POINT on 11/13/2009 at 1:40 PM
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! |
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Evil Twin 
Senior Forum Moderator
11/13/2009 1:40 PM
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ET,
Damn..... You'll find a way I know, no matter what happens. Quoting: scimitar
I'll be trying just like everyone else! I'd love to find a small used rotary engine to experiment with running on hydrogen to power the genny.
Yup a Deutz (that right I can tell by just seeing the fender), I am rebuilding a Massey ferguson 245 right now, but will only need it a couple time a year for my garden. If I could set it up to be a generator, maybe I could justify the expence. So when you get time I would love to see some pictures.
BTW 10,000 KW sufficent to run a house? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 679397
Yep, it's Deutz D4507. My favorite toy! I will try to remember to get pics next time, but hurricane season is over, so I'm really hoping to not have to hook it up again until next year, lol!
10kw is plenty for my house, as long as I don't run the oven, A/C, and water heater at the same time.
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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Doominator
User ID: 162364
United States
11/13/2009 1:44 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
Careful.....that Onan on E-bay is 208VAC THREE PHASE. The 120 out is normal, though. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772492
 Mexico
11/13/2009 1:47 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
What about a natural gas generators ??
Any experiences ?? |
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Ossie bloke
User ID: 817605
 Australia
11/13/2009 1:59 PM
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Good lord, the energies discussed here are almost stellar!
I'm quite happy with 100 amp hours (1.2 kilowatt hours) of electricity a day.
Living and loving being me, being free |
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BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
User ID: 381742
United States
11/13/2009 2:07 PM
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Good lord, the energies discussed here are almost stellar!
I'm quite happy with 100 amp hours (1.2 kilowatt hours) of electricity a day. Quoting: Ossie bloke
Your kidding! Running a 1.2 kwh dishwasher for 45 min is .9 kwh. that's most of your power used up right there!
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! |
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Ossie bloke
User ID: 817605
Australia
11/13/2009 2:13 PM
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Good lord, the energies discussed here are almost stellar!
I'm quite happy with 100 amp hours (1.2 kilowatt hours) of electricity a day.
Your kidding! Running a 1.2 kwh dishwasher for 45 min is .9 kwh. that's most of your power used up right there! Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
Obviously I'm not running a dishwasher. Laptop with a couple screens and recharging small electrical appliances like video camera. Lighting is kero and shellite, cooking and refrigeration is LPG. Ants clean the dishes.
Last Edited by Ossie bloke on 11/13/2009 at 2:15 PM
Living and loving being me, being free |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 772492
Mexico
11/13/2009 2:16 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
Ants clean the dishes. Quoting: Ossie bloke
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BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
User ID: 381742
United States
11/13/2009 2:17 PM
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Good lord, the energies discussed here are almost stellar!
I'm quite happy with 100 amp hours (1.2 kilowatt hours) of electricity a day.
Your kidding! Running a 1.2 kwh dishwasher for 45 min is .9 kwh. that's most of your power used up right there!
Obviously I'm not running a dishwasher. Laptop with a couple screens and recharging small electrical appliances like video camera. Lighting is kero and shellite, cooking is LPG. Ants clean the dishes. Quoting: Ossie bloke
It's like you're a cave person. That's PC for caveman.
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
11/13/2009 2:17 PM
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Ants clean the dishes. Quoting: Ossie bloke
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
User ID: 381742
United States
11/13/2009 2:18 PM
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Ants clean the dishes.
I liked that too, but I hope he doesn't invite me over for a meal.
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! |
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Ossie bloke
User ID: 817605
Australia
11/13/2009 2:20 PM
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Don't laugh, ants are hi-tech micro robots that cost nothing.
Living and loving being me, being free |
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Avian
Got Gold?
User ID: 801787
United States
11/13/2009 2:33 PM
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BRIEF AND TO THE POINT
User ID: 381742
United States
11/13/2009 2:46 PM
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STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD DAMMIT YOU EFFING COCKSUCKERs
How did we start talking about ants? 
Oh yeah the bloke that doesn't use a dishwasher.
OP, what do you think of solar then?
And when do we get to see your working boiler?
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 168282
United States
11/13/2009 2:48 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
LOL. give it a rest
It's not just that diesel fuel stores better. Diesel generators can be modified to run on regular vegetable oil & the engines themselves last longer.
I don't get the LOL...... A propane generator could run on hydrogen from electrolysis generated by solar photovoltaics......So what?
It's just another data point. Diesel fuel does have long term storage problems, propane does not.
ET has a great idea with the tractor though, I like multi-purpose hardware. Although a varying load on the engine of the tractor from the generator will change the RPM.
scimitar is right... propane as you can store more fuel... running you diesel off heating oil is NOT GOOD...
fuel oil is not diesel, though it will work. Quoting: Enigma
In response to questions from our customers, please review the differences between Off Road Diesel #2 and Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - HHO - which is in common usage in many parts of Canada and the USA to power heating furnaces in cold climates.
Off road Diesel #2 and Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil # 2 apparently differ only in the tax applied at the time of sale.
Both are dyed red. They differ from standard Road Diesel #2 in that road tax has been applied, no red dye has been added, and there is a specification regarding ash and/or sulphur content. In extremely cold climates, Standard Road Diesel #2 may be blended with Diesel #1 or Kerosene K-1 to assist with gelling problems resulting from the cold weather. Similar blending may occur on home heating oil / fuel oil based on your geographic region, anticipated temperatures, and overall climate. |
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^TrInItY^
Forum Administrator
11/13/2009 2:51 PM
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why not get a trifuel?
[link to www.northerntool.com]
these are nice I have one
the beauty is you can run it on propane or natural gas
get yourself a big ass 500-1000 gallon propane tank buried in your yard and run for 2 weeks straight with no issues
Last Edited by ^TrInItY^ on 11/13/2009 at 2:54 PM
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 399379
United States
11/13/2009 2:53 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
No experience with the Chinese diesels, sorry.
I bought a 10 kw generator head and rigged up a detachable bracket & extra pulley to run it off my diesel tractor. Sized the pulleys so the tractor can idle @ 800 rpm's and turn the genny @ 2400 where it's rated. It'll run for almost a week straight on 8 gal. of fuel. Takes about 15 minutes to set up and cost about $350 in parts. (I already had the wire)
I hate you do it yourselfer survival know it all types
cool that you have that set up
The problem is that one day the noise will make you a real real target for the dregs who escape the cities. Get a reall big muffler. |
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malu
User ID: 800077
United States
11/13/2009 2:56 PM
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No experience with the Chinese diesels, sorry.
I bought a 10 kw generator head and rigged up a detachable bracket & extra pulley to run it off my diesel tractor. Sized the pulleys so the tractor can idle @ 800 rpm's and turn the genny @ 2400 where it's rated. It'll run for almost a week straight on 8 gal. of fuel. Takes about 15 minutes to set up and cost about $350 in parts. (I already had the wire) Quoting: Evil Twin
this was going to be my advice. you don't need to run the generator 24/7. i like redundancy and dual use.
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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just waiting
close your eyes to whats real
User ID: 491938
United States
11/13/2009 2:58 PM
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Try looking at company auctions. I have seen as bis as 500kw Generators and smaller being sold. Just a thought. 
Last Edited by just waiting on 11/13/2009 at 2:59 PM |
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malu
User ID: 800077
United States
11/13/2009 2:59 PM
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why not get a trifuel?
[ link to www.northerntool.com]
these are nice I have one
the beauty is you can run it on propane or natural gas
get yourself a big ass 500-1000 gallon propane tank buried in your yard and run for 2 weeks straight with no issues
couple months ago we had a pretty devastating storm in west michigan. they are fairly frequent. this guy got sick of being with out power and bought a natural gas generator, big bucks. thought he would never be with out power again.
a tree came down and it's roots ripped the natural gas line out of the ground, ending his fuel supply.. lmao
just when you think you are all set. now he could have run tanks of propane, but he did not set up for that option
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Evil Twin
Senior Forum Moderator
11/13/2009 3:02 PM
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The problem is that one day the noise will make you a real real target for the dregs who escape the cities. Get a reall big muffler. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 399379
Yeah, noise is an issue with any generator. If it gets to that point, I'll only run it sparingly for short periods and keep it parked inside my detached garage to muffle the noise.
Considering becoming an "undocumented worker".
eviltwin618@yahoo.com |
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malu
User ID: 800077
United States
11/13/2009 3:07 PM
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a generator is a short term solution. if you need one for more than a week , you have bigger problems. unless you are really remote and heavily defended.
personally $500 is the most i would pay for a generator. if i need long term power it will be with solar/battery/inverter for what i feel i really need. mostly for communications and some lighting, and recharging
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 399379
United States
11/13/2009 3:34 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
The problem is that one day the noise will make you a real real target for the dregs who escape the cities. Get a reall big muffler.
Yeah, noise is an issue with any generator. If it gets to that point, I'll only run it sparingly for short periods and keep it parked inside my detached garage to muffle the noise. Quoting: Evil Twin
An attic could be good and little problems with Carbon Monoxide. A barn with a basement and a vent pipe wqith baffles etc. These can really help but make you serious target. I don't know what I would do without mine when Ivan messed up i 2004? 03? I kept my food, fans and got to finish watching the new Denzel washington movie "Man on Fire"..I wanna get a biggger tank or plumb a boat tank to it cause it sux to have to go out nekid at 12:000 am to refule it from watching TV in bed. lol Mine was in the garage wth a fan to keep exhaust out of the house ans 2 open under both garage doors. I wasn't qworried about nobody being attracted cause my neighborhood was full of upscale pussies...yuppie y'know. The kind that freeze during ice satroms cause they can't cut down 1 tree off their estate sized lot and the heaters and firewood was gone before they left the office etc.....Visa Platinum can't fix everything y'know.....Tee Hee Heee! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 550600
 Canada
11/13/2009 4:04 PM | | Re: Back Up Generators | Quote |
listeroid one lung diesel and multi fuel {as in old oil,tranny fluid, vegtable oil whatever}. 5kva gen head. battery bank and pure sine wave inverter. lister runs at 650 rpm and uses .1 gallon per hour. listeroid one lungers can burn just about anything combustible because there is no sync necessary with other cylinders and huge flywheels.
we are working on the wood gasifier right now. then fuel will be wood chips. listers can go for 50,000 to 100,000 hours with little maintenance. 10- 20 years. and there cheap! the inverter will cost you more than the motors.
the whole idea is to run the gens 10 hours a day while charging the bateries and then run off the batteries for 14 hours of low usage.
Avian,the guy i bought the listers off of now sells the Changi slow speed diesels and says they run almost as well as the listers. good luck! |
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