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Obama Declines To Defend U.S. Bombing Of Hiroshima, Nagasaki
By Mark Finkelstein (Bio | Archive)
November 13, 2009 - 08:03 ET

Defending the decision of the United States to drop nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII is not a comfortable thing to do when you're in Japan. But if you're President of the United States, you must do it. Diplomatically, yes. With sympathy for the civilian victims, yes. But you must do it.

But when it came time today for Barack Obama to fulfill that fundamental duty, he failed. The very first reporter [from Fuji TV] called on at the joint press conference with PBO and Japanese PM Hatoyama in Tokyo today put the question to Pres. Obama in blunt and explicit terms:

JAPANESE REPORTER: What is your understanding of the historical meaning of the A-bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Do you think it was the right decision?
Obama took a deep breath, paused . . . and punted.

PBO gave a halting response that utterly failed to answer the question. The closest he came was to observe that Japan "has a unique perspective on the issue of nuclear weapons as a consequence of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I'm sure it helps to motivate the Prime Minister's deep interest in this issue."

The reporter tried again: "do you believe the US dropping of nuclear weapons on --"

Obama cut him off, choosing to answer an unrelated question on the situation in North Korea.

Will the MSM report Obama's duck and cover?
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not surprising......he hate white people....
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obama hates America and his only reason for be usurper is so he can destroy America .
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not surprising......he hate white people....
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taregting innocent civilians with an atomic bomb, vaporizing them randomly, women, children, elderly...it was the biggest 2 terrorist attacks ever on innocent civilians.

anyone who supports or defends it is a lowlife far away from his creator.

funny thing is, most who support these worst terrorist attacks are jesus lovers....a pacifist hippie.
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taregting innocent civilians with an atomic bomb, vaporizing them randomly, women, children, elderly...it was the biggest 2 terrorist attacks ever on innocent civilians.

anyone who supports or defends it is a lowlife far away from his creator.

funny thing is, most who support these worst terrorist attacks are jesus lovers....a pacifist hippie.
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How would you have dealt with the Japanese War Machine? You spout off but thousands of AMERICAN lives were at stake in a world that was ALREADY war torn.
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No 'defense' needed, that was the only way to stop them,

So far as BO is considered he is not legal, I don't know what has happened to our 'rule of law' seems we don't have any now..

the USA has been sold into prostitution, she is a slave to the world now, for them to feed from until there is nothing left of this once great nation..

First time in my life I'm ashamed of my country, the people,
and most of ALL this propped up African sorry excuse for a president.

You people that voted this evil being into office, have already welcomed the beast.

The rest of us, i guess are just sitting ducks..

When this little hitler gets your health care then comes the death camps for all, and yeah I mean the black American's too, He is not and never was a 'black American', did you all know obama had to pay the naacp millions of dollars for them to 'claim' him as 'black' They're nothing but parasite whores, blinded by greed...

WE are the JEWS the Jews are US.

Obama Osama Hitler....
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taregting innocent civilians with an atomic bomb, vaporizing them randomly, women, children, elderly...it was the biggest 2 terrorist attacks ever on innocent civilians.

anyone who supports or defends it is a lowlife far away from his creator.

funny thing is, most who support these worst terrorist attacks are jesus lovers....a pacifist hippie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 819201

5a

Your suppostion here tells me that not only were you not present when this happened but rather you and your opinions are purely BULLSHIT. You don't know jackshit about the history of this period but spout off like any automatic fountain when the subject is raised. Get an education MORON!

As to PBO he wasn't around during this historical period either and his handlers never prepared him for this question. THEIR BAD! The only saving grace is that there still is a raging debate between the revisionist historians,most of whom are under 55 and those who actually lived through the times.
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Since Japan was willing to surrender, there was no need for it. But more than that, it was an intrinsically evil act, as is all mass destruction. Even if Japan was not willing at the time to surrender (it was, so it was not needed, remember) we could have just had a blockade; no need for mass, indiscriminate actions.

There is a reason why the Catholic Church has utterly condemned it as one of the greatest evils of the 20th century.

No wonder GLP loves it.
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taregting innocent civilians with an atomic bomb, vaporizing them randomly, women, children, elderly...it was the biggest 2 terrorist attacks ever on innocent civilians.

anyone who supports or defends it is a lowlife far away from his creator.

funny thing is, most who support these worst terrorist attacks are jesus lovers....a pacifist hippie.
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Still waiting for an answer from you... you traitorous little half-wit dipshit.
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Since Japan was willing to surrender, there was no need for it. But more than that, it was an intrinsically evil act, as is all mass destruction. Even if Japan was not willing at the time to surrender (it was, so it was not needed, remember) we could have just had a blockade; no need for mass, indiscriminate actions.

There is a reason why the Catholic Church has utterly condemned it as one of the greatest evils of the 20th century.

No wonder GLP loves it.
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Japan was willing to surrender? Is that what your Communist educators have told you? That is the BIGGEST crock of shit revisionist lie ever created.

Get your head out of your pubescent ass and do some real research idiot. They used suicide pilots because they cared so little for human life. They were not about to surrender.
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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.
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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.
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Again what would you have done about the Japanese War Machine? Answer the question don't just wag your teenaged finger.
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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.
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5a

Yep, your handle says it all GREENHORN and you surely are just that a GREENHORN. Go back and play with your BARBIES!
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Kamikaze Pilot
Wars and Battles, 1944-1945 Japan's Suicide Pilots of World War II

Transcend life and death. When you eliminate all thoughts about life and death, you will be able to totally disregard your earthly life. This will also enable you to concentrate your attention on eradicating the enemy with unwavering determination, meanwhile reinforcing your excellence in flight skills.
- A paragraph from the Kamikaze pilot's manual, located in their cockpits.

In the year 1281, Japan was under attack by a Mongol invasion — led by the powerful Kublai Khan. However, just as it appeared that the invading Mongols were about to overwhelm the Japanese, a catastrophic typhoon swept through the land, eliminating the entire Mongol army. From that point on, the typhoon that saved Japan became known as the Kamikaze or Divine Wind.

Background

After the defeat at the Battle of Midway, and the fall of Saipanin July 1944, the Japanese revived the name Kamikaze and ascribed it to the suicide missions of their air force.

Japanese Vice Admiral Takashiro Ohnishi, commander of the First Air Fleet in the Philippines, had noted that the most effective way to inflict damage upon Allied warships was to crash planes into them. He noted that one accidental crash could do more damage than 10 planes firing machine guns. It was decided then that pilots would purposely crash their planes — with half a ton of explosives — into American warships.

The Kamikaze pilot

Generally, Kamikaze pilots were university students motivated by obligation, and loyalty to family and country. A typical pilot was a science student in his twenties. He prepared for his fiery destiny by writing farewell letters and poems to loved ones, receiving a "thousand-stitch sash*," and by holding a ceremony — a drink of water that gave him a "spiritual lifting" before wedging himself between 550-pound bombs.

It was adamantly believed that, because they were fighting for their Emperor God, the Kamikaze would bring them deliverance at the darkest hour, just as it had in the 13th century. In fact, the call for Kamikaze pilots drew a staggering response. Three times as many applied for suicide flights as the number of planes available. Experienced pilots were turned down. They were needed to train the younger men how to fly to their deaths.

The fact that they were to go on suicide missions was accepted without question by the Japanese pilots. All inductees into the Japanese armed forces were indoctrinated with the following five-point oath:


A soldier must make loyalty his obligation.

A soldier must make propriety his way of life.

A soldier must highly esteem military valor.

A soldier must have a high regard for righteousness.

A soldier must live a simple life.

The Mitsubishi A6M2

Nicknamed the "Zero," the Mitsubishi A6M2 was the Kamikaze pilot's personal "flying coffin." It had a maximum speed of 332 mph and a range of 1,930 miles. The A6M2 was 29 feet nine inches long, with a wingspan of about 39 feet. The aircraft was armed with two machine guns and could carry 264 pounds of bombs; however, the Japanese modified its structure to accommodate a heavier arsenal. The Zero was the main strike aircraft used at Pearl Harbor — dominating the skies during the early stages of World War II. A large number were shot down during the Battle of Midway, and it eventually became outperformed by the latest allied aircraft, such as the P-51 Mustang.

First attacks

Beginning with the Pearl Harbor Attack, Japanese suicide bombers sporadically crashed their planes into the enemy as a spur-of-the-moment decision.

On October 21, 1944, the flagship of the Royal Australian Navy, the heavy cruiser HMAS Australia, was hit by a Japanese plane carrying a 441-pound bomb, off Leyte Island. Although the bomb did not explode, the damage was devastating — killing at least 30 crew members.

On October 25, the Australia was hit again and was forced to retire to the New Hebrides for repairs. That same day, five Zeros attacked a U.S. escort carrier, the USS St. Lo off the Philippines coast, although only one Kamikaze actually hit the ship. Its bomb caused massive fires that resulted in the ship's bomb magazine exploding, sinking the carrier. Japanese pilots also hit and damaged several other Allied ships.

The initial successes of those attacks sparked an immediate expansion of the program. During the next few months, more than 2,000 planes staged such attacks. Those included new types of suicide attacks and explosives, including purpose-built Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka rocket-bombs, small boats packed with explosives, and manned torpedoes (equipped with a 3000-pound warhead) called the Kaiten.

Iwo Jima and Okinawa

On February 19th, 1945, the USS Enterprise and other carriers took up stations off Iwo Jima, attacking nearby enemy airfields, and providing close air support for the Marines that landed. By the time the marines unfurled the U.S. flag on Iwo Jima's summit, Kamikaze attacks had sunk the escort flattop Bismarck Sea CVE-95, knocked the USS Saratoga CV 3 out of the war for good, and temporarily halted the Enterprise — all while regularly harassing amphibious forces at the beachhead.

The day of April 6th, 1945, proved to be most telling for the use of Kamikazes in the battle for Okinawa. More than 350 aircraft at a time dove at the Allied fleet. Just the anticipation of Kamikaze attacks drove some American sailors literally insane. The destroyer Laffey was attacked by 20 aircraft at once. Her gunners stopped nine Kamikazes, but six others rammed into the ship. As on the similarly damaged USS Franklin, ineffable courage, and intensive training in firefighting, kept the Laffey afloat.

On the 7th of April, Kamikazes were still attacking in great numbers off the coast of Okinawa, severely damaging the carrier Hancock. By April 16th, suicide bombers desperately, but effectively damaged the USS Enterprise yet again, as well as the flattop USS Intrepid, and numerous picket destroyers were sunk or damaged. Admiral Marc A. Mitscher led Task Force 58 from his flagship, the carrier Bunker Hill CV-17. On May 11th, 1945, the flagship was hit by a Kamikaze pilot that killed 350 of his men.

The final Japanese defense of Okinawa was hard fought. For the Americans, victory brought a heavy price. The capture of Okinawa cost the Americans 49,000 in casualties, of whom 12,520 died. More than 110,000 Japanese were killed on the island. When it was clear that he had been defeated, General Mitsuru Ushijima committed ritual suicide (hara-kiri).

War's end

From October 25, 1944, to January 25, 1945, Kamikazes managed to sink two escort carriers and three destroyers. They also damaged 23 carriers, five battleships, nine cruisers, 23 destroyers and 27 other ships. American casualties amounted to 738 killed and another 1,300 wounded as the result of those attacks.

Several thousand Kamikaze planes had been set aside for an invasion of the Japanese mainland that never happened. Kamikaze pilots were one of the reasons President Harry S. Truman decided to drop the atomic bombs.

On the eve of the Japanese surrender, Takijiro Onishi ended his own life, leaving a note of apology to his dead pilots —their sacrifice had been in vain.

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The US dropped a bomb on Japan to show the Russians what their bomb could do. No other reason.
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The US bombed Japan for no reason other than to show the Russians what the H bomb could do.
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The Spirit of Liberty abode here and there in the breasts of lovers of their fellowmen. The Spirit wrapped itself in the glorious folds of the Stars and Stripes and proclaimed the imperishable declaration of human equality, granting unto all that freedom which Americans for themselves demanded. But now the "Vision of Peace" is finally encompassed by armies, the last gap being filled with blue-coated soldiers forcing Mammon's commercial shackles upon alien peoples in tropical islands. Ah, the Starry Flag droops mournfully low above the freedom-birthright sold for a mess of pottage. My People, O my People! As ye have sown, so must ye reap. The Vision of Spiritual Peace is wholly clouded by the dust of armed camps, and no gap is left unobscurred.
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The US bombed Japan for no reason other than to show the Russians what the H bomb could do.
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5a

BWAHAHAHA H Bomb you idiot was not even invented yet! It was the A Bomb MORON! As regards the rest of your statement there is some body of support for such suppostion but then again there are those who think Adolph was a pussy cat also. Oh, and let's not forget those who still contend that the world is flat as well. bsflag
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Where did all the revisionist shills run off to? Come and defend yourselves you bunch of skulls full of mush.
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taregting innocent civilians with an atomic bomb, vaporizing them randomly, women, children, elderly...it was the biggest 2 terrorist attacks ever on innocent civilians.

anyone who supports or defends it is a lowlife far away from his creator.

funny thing is, most who support these worst terrorist attacks are jesus lovers....a pacifist hippie.



How would you have dealt with the Japanese War Machine? You spout off but thousands of AMERICAN lives were at stake in a world that was ALREADY war torn.
 Quoting: chalcedony



u could have dropped that bomb once on an army base outside the city, which they had dozens of....done deal, case closed, war over.

or better, drop it on a mountain and say, next one will be on you.


but no, chose crowded cities filled with innocent civilians...twice.


it is evil, it is the biggest terrorist attack ever on innocent civilians and anyone who supports it is a massmurder supporter, who is far away from his creator. especially the jesus lovers who seem to love how abombs were dropped on innocent civilians, ironically.
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Where did all the revisionist shills run off to? Come and defend yourselves you bunch of skulls full of mush.
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we are not here 24 hours a day, we have a life to lead in between posting on a extreme right wing site liek this filled withh massmurder supporters ;)
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not surprising......he hate white people....


...what?
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Obama's niece in Africa spells her name "Le-a" so how do you pronounce this asked a reporter? The mother said "Ledasha" cause the dash dont be silent.
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Since Japan was willing to surrender, there was no need for it. But more than that, it was an intrinsically evil act, as is all mass destruction. Even if Japan was not willing at the time to surrender (it was, so it was not needed, remember) we could have just had a blockade; no need for mass, indiscriminate actions.

There is a reason why the Catholic Church has utterly condemned it as one of the greatest evils of the 20th century.

No wonder GLP loves it.
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AGAIN you do not know history: the EMP would not surrender and he knew what was coming, he was talking to this government for over 6 weeks before any bombs were dropped..

You people are so ignorant, it's almost amazing,
if it were no so pitiful....
Or just straight up demonic...
is it ignorant or evil?..
Cause its one of the two...
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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.



Again what would you have done about the Japanese War Machine? Answer the question don't just wag your teenaged finger.
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War monger. The so called greatest generation were mere mindless dupes of tptb.
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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.
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Spoken like someone who has no idea what the Japanese mindset of that era was and no idea of how many people would have died without the immediate end that the bombs provided.

America was the one that was attacked first, but the Pearl Harbor attack alone certainly would not be cause enough for a nuclear response. The Japanese emperor of the time was seen as a god by the people of Japan. Their kamikaze style of fighting was not simple bravery. It was a death sentence in exactly the same way the Islamic suicide bombers are today. The kamikaze mindset also was not limited to their military. The civilian population lived this way as well. Death in offensive confrontation or death in ritual suicide was their only cultural option. Those that were not running head long into our military machine were jumping off cliffs and committing hara-kiri. As an example: the male nurses and orderlies in the hospital in Hiroshima were told that if an American soldier approached the hospital, they were to grab any spear-like pole or long knife and rush out to meet our soldiers. They literally brought sticks to gun fights. The female nurses jumped out of high windows out the back of the hospital (with children!) to commit suicide. Those children were being killed already by their parents. The elderly were committing suicide. That was the only honorable death they knew.

The U.S. troops were able to win just about every battle and were taking each island, but the Japanese would not surrender. They were like lemmings running to their deaths. They would not stop. The U.S. was also taking heavy casualties even though were winning. The generals and ultimately the president looked at the expected number of casualties to win the war and were facing a tremendous toll in U.S. deaths and a complete genocide of an entire country.

Worse, the kamikaze Japanese with their belief that their emperor was a god and that their only honorable death was in battle or suicide were themselves working on a nuclear bomb. Bet you didn’t know that did you.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military towns. Yes, they had civilian populations too, but they were military centers. The bombs dropped on those two cities ended the war by breaking the Japanese belief that their emperor god was all powerful and it broke their belief that they would be ultimately triumphant. As horrible as it sounds, the bombs saved more lives than they killed. It was the best option. It was a decision I hope no one ever has to make again, but it was the right thing to do at that time.

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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.



Again what would you have done about the Japanese War Machine? Answer the question don't just wag your teenaged finger.


War monger. The so called greatest generation were mere mindless dupes of tptb.
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That is NOT an answer. It is because of the sacrifices of that generation that you are not speaking Japanese or German. Get your juvenile head out of your undeserving ass and read some non-revisionist history.
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taregting innocent civilians with an atomic bomb, vaporizing them randomly, women, children, elderly...it was the biggest 2 terrorist attacks ever on innocent civilians.

anyone who supports or defends it is a lowlife far away from his creator.

funny thing is, most who support these worst terrorist attacks are jesus lovers....a pacifist hippie.
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The point is does Jesus love them? I doubt it
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The Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs are a disgrace on our heritage. The killing of innocents is indefensible. Children and elderly I mean COME ON.
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hf hf hf hf
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Where did all the revisionist shills run off to? Come and defend yourselves you bunch of skulls full of mush.



we are not here 24 hours a day, we have a life to lead in between posting on a extreme right wing site liek this filled withh massmurder supporters ;)
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Says the idiot who points the accusatory finger without a clue about ANY of the history involved and the dangers of the era...

GROW UP nit wit... learn. Don't just take the BS they are feeding you. Question, study and learn for yourself. They are not your friends. They don't give a fuck about you. There is an evil reason they lie to you and brainwash you.
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The revisionists are those who are saying Japan was not going to surrender.

It is well known they were.





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