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OBAMA ~ IM NOT CLOSING GITMO AFTER ALL. YES I KNOW I PROMISED BUT ITS PELOSI'S FAULT. ( YES I AM A TOTAL FAILURE ~ I CANT DO ANYTHING RIGHT)

 
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Obama admits Guantanamo won't close by Jan. deadline

By Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:52 AM

BEIJING -- President Obama directly acknowledged for the first time Wednesday that the prison facility at Guantanamo Bay will not close by the January deadline he set, but he said he hoped to still achieve that goal sometime next year.

Obama refused, however, to set a new deadline.

In an interview in the Chinese capital with Major Garrett of Fox News, Obama said he was "not disappointed" that the Guantanamo deadline had slipped, saying he "knew this was going to be hard."

"People, I think understandably, are fearful after a lot of years where they were told that Guantanamo was critical to keep terrorists out," Obama said. Closing the facility, he added, is "also just technically hard."

Obama came to office pledging to shut a detainee facility that had become a symbol for prisoner abuse at the hands of American officials. He signed orders to shut the military prison by January 2010, but White House officials quickly encountered resistance from members of Congress opposed to moving prisoners to U.S. soil and from other countries they had hoped would accept detainees.

There was also a tangle of legal issues involving what to do with suspected terrorists who had been tortured in prison in a way that jeopardized the integrity of the evidence against them, or who for other reasons could not stand trial.

Last week, the administration announced that it will try five Guantanamo prisoners -- including Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks -- in federal court in New York. The fate of dozens of other detainees remains in limbo.

Guantanamo is a sensitive subject in China, where Obama conducted the television interview shortly before wrapping up a two-day visit. The United States has refused to release some ethnic minorities, known as Uighurs, back to Chinese officials for fear that they will be tortured. Several Uighurs who had been detained at Guantanamo have been sent instead to Bermuda and Palau after being cleared as non-combatants.

Despite the slow trickle of prisoners out of the facility, Obama insisted in the interview that the facility will be shuttered eventually.

"We are on a path and a process where I would anticipate that Guantanamo will be closed next year," he said. "I'm not going to set an exact date because a lot of this is also going to depend on cooperation from Congress."

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PACNWguy, you are NOT a total failure! Sure with all your narrow minded, extreme right views some may think so, but not me. Your just a moron. Lots of morons have useful niches in our society!
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PACNWguy, you are NOT a total failure! Sure with all your narrow minded, extreme right views some may think so, but not me. Your just a moron. Lots of morons have useful niches in our society!
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Are you in the less than 50% of Dems that still approve of this loser?

Bet you will say you didnt vote for Obama or some shit.

lol
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Another day. Another rant.
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Another day. Another rant.
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Another failure for the messiah.'

Has he accomplished anything in his first year of office?

What has he done other than give terroists rights as US citizens and go around bowing to foreign kings like a fucking dumb shit?
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I really love the part where he says...

...If congress will let me close it that is....


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He's trying to figure out the best place to disperse them within the prison system so that even more of the "Sons of Allah" can be radicalized...

The current prison population that, once in, converts to Islam, needs the teaching of these so called, religious men.
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"Has He Accomplished Anything In Office"???I'll Say!!!


If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved.

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry.
He's done all this in 5 months -- so you'll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer.
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well, I do always enjoy your non political threads anyway
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He's trying to figure out the best place to disperse them within the prison system so that even more of the "Sons of Allah" can be radicalized...

The current prison population that, once in, converts to Islam, needs the teaching of these so called, religious men.
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Now this I could believe!

But he STILL broke this campaign promise and now is trying to blame CONGRESS. Between Bush and Congress, Obama is just not responsible for anything he does, lol!
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"Has He Accomplished Anything In Office"???I'll Say!!!


If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved.

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry.
He's done all this in 5 months -- so you'll have three years and seven months to come up with an answer.
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Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision:

– U.S. President Barack Obama said in an interview with CNN on Wednesday he is "very close" to a decision on boosting troop levels in Afghanistan and would make an announcement "in the next several weeks."



Im think I am going to make a decision, well maybe I will, but then maybe I wont, you know. Its so hard to make a decision not knowing what the voters will think. Im so confused. How much time do I have to answer again? Cant I just vote 'present'? Why does it have to be so hard? Where is Michelle?


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Thread: Culture Of Corruption: Eric Holder And The Terrorists Edition
Read all about Eric Holder's history with terrorists...it goes waaaaaaay back.
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Then be sure to check out the previous administration's track record with regard to prosecuting terrorist cases. This AG/Justice Dept. is finally back on track....

Excerpts from testimony given by Jonathan Turley, Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School, to a House subcommittee back in June 2008....

"Terrorism prosecutions are too important to reduce to yet another subject for partisan spin and distortion. In my view, the record is clear. The Bush Administration has assembled arguably the worst record in prosecuting terrorism cases of any modern presidency. Indeed, the Administration’s high profile losses may have fueled the desire to inflate prosecution figures through the years. Despite the recent claims of success, the Administration’s record, when stripped of the statistical gloss, is hardly a matter for commendation or celebration. What is more troubling, however, are the reasons for these failures and the motive to inflate the numbers of prosecutions."


D. The Administration’s Record in Major Terrorism Cases

"As noted earlier, the inclusion of non-terrorism cases tends to inflate not only the raw number of cases but the performance of the Justice Department in the area. In a surprising number of major terrorism cases, the Administration has performed poorly in court. In prior administrations, it was very rare to see the Justice Department lose a major terrorism trial. For the Bush Administration it is routine. A few such examples are illustrative of the problem.

"Dr. Sami Al-Arian – The government spent an enormous amount of time and money prosecuting Dr. Al-Arian and defendants Ghassan Ballut, Hatim Fariz and Sameeh Hammoudeh in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida in Tampa. After a six-month trial and over 80 witnesses, a jury acquitted Dr. Al-Arian of eight of 17 counts. There were only two jurors who voted against
acquitting him of all of the remaining counts. Ballut and Hammoudeh were acquitted on all charges. No one was convicted of a single count and Dr. Al-Arian later agreed to plead guilty to a single count in exchange for being allowed to leave the country – an agreement that the Justice Department has broken as it continues to hold Dr. Al-Arian.

"Dr. Sami Omar Al-Hussayen. The government billed the prosecution of Al-Hussayen in Idaho as a major terrorism prosecution. Al-Hussayen was a graduate student who ran an Islamic website. The Justice Department put on a six-week trial. The defense called only one witness. The jury in this conservative state acquitted him of all three terrorism charges, and three of the eight immigration charges. They deadlocked on the remaining immigration charges.

"The Detroit Combat Cell Case. The Justice Department prosecuted Abdel-Ilah Elmardoudi and Karim Koubriti in Detroit under the claim that it had busted a major “sleeper operational combat cell.” As previously noted, the convictions were thrown out after a judge concluded that the prosecution committed grave violations of federal law and professional ethics to secure the verdicts. Ultimately, the Justice Department dropped all terrorism charges.

"Holy Land Defendants. The Bush Administration was widely criticized for its crackdown on the Holy Land Foundation (HLF), once one of the largest Muslim charities in the world. The HLF was given limited ability to challenge the evidence of its alleged support for Hamas by the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Asset Control. Much of this evidence has been challenged as false or unreliable. Nevertheless, the government prosecuted HLF officials on such charges in a major case in Texas. A jury, however, acquitted or hung on all charges. The result reinforced the view that, absent the presumptions given the government in the administrative proceedings, HLF could have presented a robust defense to allegations of terrorism support.

"Zacarias Moussaoui. The government spent years prosecuting Moussaoui despite his willingness early on to plead guilty to terrorism charges that carry a life sentence. However, Moussaoui was often called the 20th hijacker and used as an example of holding those responsible for 9-11 accountable. Rather than simply secure a life sentence based on his admissions, the government spent millions seeking the death penalty. It lost when a jury refused to vote for capitol punishment. The government ultimately secured the sentence that it could have secured years earlier.

"Liberty City Seven. Just recently, the third effort to prosecute the six defendants accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower ended in a mistrial. Notably, the six were charged with material support – a crime with a notoriously ambiguous and easily satisfied definition. The men were indicted in Miami in 2006 despite the fact that one Justice Department official admitted that the alleged plot was more "aspirational than operational.” Three juries declined to indict.

"These are but a few such examples of major losses in the last seven years – losses that once would have been viewed as alarming. It is also notable that many of these losses have occurred in very conservative judicial districts. The fact that these juries are rejecting these claims in the post-9-11 environment should be a cause of concern. The government tended to over-play and over-charge these cases – destroying its credibility with jurors. Despite enormous budgets and prosecution teams, the Justice Department has faced increasingly skeptical juries and judges around the country."

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Thread: Culture Of Corruption: Eric Holder And The Terrorists Edition
Read all about Eric Holder's history with terrorists...it goes waaaaaaay back.


Then be sure to check out the previous administration's track record with regard to prosecuting terrorist cases. This AG/Justice Dept. is finally back on track....


[link to judiciary.house.gov]
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Wrong thread buttercup.

This one is about how the loser wants to blame his Democrat controlled congress for not letting him have his way.

'I want to close Gitmo but Nancy wont let me.'

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Wrong thread buttercup.

This one is about how the loser wants to blame his Democrat controlled congress for not letting him have his way.

'I want to close Gitmo but Nancy wont let me.'

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No, it's the right thread, possum.
It was my response to snark's post.

Do try to keep up.

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