OBAMA TELLS MILITARY: YOU WILL NOT QUESTION ANY ENEMY COMBATANT CAPTURED ON THE BATTLEFIELD WITHOUT PROVIDING HIM AN ATTORNEY FIRST.

Obama has actually said...he has a problem with 'WINNING' A WAR.

If you tie the hands of your warriors, you cant fucking win.

People in the US military killing others in Iraq and Afghanistan are not warriors, they are hired killer mercenaries with a lot of innocent blood on their hands, and a lot of them know it. That is why the suicide rate is high.

Obama and Holder are on the terrorist's side.


Haven't you all figured this out yet?


Of course they will do ANYTHING to help them...





Some Justice Department Lawyers Have Gitmo Conflicts

More than a dozen new Justice Department lawyers have come from private firms representing Guantanamo Bay detainees, creating potential conflicts of interest as the agency begins its review of roughly 245 men imprisoned at the military detention center.

The Justice Department has taken steps to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Ethics officials have advised lawyers -- including Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. -- to recuse themselves in matters involving detainees represented by their former firms.

"As a general rule, DOJ officials will not participate in reviews of specific detainees who their firms represented, consistent with ethics rules," Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said in an e-mailed statement.

Conflict-of-interest issues are common in new administrations as private attorneys move into government jobs, but Guantanamo poses a singular challenge: About 150 separate law firms, federal public defender offices, law school clinics, and nongovernmental organizations have been involved in detainee litigation. "It's a new illustration of an old issue," says Don Burnett, dean of the University of Idaho College of Law. "What's unusual is the size of the cluster of individuals who are affected.

Holder, for one, is disqualified from participating in matters involving 16 Yemeni detainees represented by his former firm, Covington & Burling. Holder never participated directly in the firm's Guantanamo work, and the American Bar Association's Rules for Professional Conduct wouldn't require a recusal in this case. (The ABA only requires government lawyers to recuse in matters in which they were "personally and substantially" involved while in private practice.) But the department's rules are stricter.

President Barack Obama has tasked Holder with leading the new administration's effort to close the detention facility within a year, and the department will play a key role in determining which detainees to try and how. Justice officials say Holder's Covington ties will have no effect on his involvement in policy issues, but he will have to sit out charging decisions and prosecutions should they arise in cases specifically involving Covington clients.

WORKING ON GUANTANAMO

The same goes for at least three members of his staff -- counselors James Garland and John Bies, and counsel Aaron Lewis -- who all left Covington for the DOJ's front office.

And the department will have to tread carefully as more lawyers join the leadership ranks. Several of Obama's nominees for top department posts have ties to Guantanamo through their firms' work, including:

• Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr's David Ogden, who is nominated for deputy attorney general. His firm represents three detainees in habeas proceedings in federal court.

Three former Wilmer lawyers are already planted in the DAG office: chief of staff Stuart Delery, senior counsel Eric Columbus, and counsel Chad Golder. Wilmer lawyers played the lead role in detainees' landmark victory in Boumediene v. Bush, which recognized their constitutional right to challenge their confinement under habeas corpus.

• Associate Attorney General nominee Thomas Perrelli, managing partner of Jenner & Block's Washington, D.C., office. His firm represents six detainees in habeas cases. Former Jenner associate Brian Hauck is serving as counsel in the office, and Associate Deputy Attorney General Donald Verrilli left the firm last month. Jenner was co-lead counsel to José Padilla in Rumsfeld v. Padilla and filed amicus briefs in Rasul v. Bush and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld.

• Covington & Burling's Lanny Breuer, the nominee to head the Criminal Division. He's also conflicted out of matters related to the firm's 16 Yemeni clients. Covington lawyers burned 3,022 hours on Guantánamo litigation in 2007, according to The American Lawyer's annual pro bono survey, the latest figures publicly available. It was the firm's largest pro bono project that year. Covington co-authored one of three petitioners' briefs filed in Boumediene v. Bush, and was responsible for several detainee victories in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.

• Morrison & Foerster's Tony West, the nominee to head the Civil Division. His firm represents one detainee in a habeas case in U.S. district court.

Like Holder, none of these nominees participated in Guantanamo-related litigation, but at least one high-ranking appointee played a key role in advancing detainees' rights.

Principal Deputy Solictor General Neal Katyal successfully argued Hamdan v. Bush while a professor at the Georgetown University Law Center. In Hamdan, the Supreme Court found that the Bush administration's military commissions for trying suspected terrorists violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Conventions. Justice officials say Katyal will still be able to work on detainee-related matters.

They also point out that lawyers can bypass ethics rules if they can show that their participation in a matter outweighs an appearance or actual conflict of interest. Legal ethics experts say the practice is common, and in Holder's case in particular, it could prove useful as he carries out his review.

OBAMAS NEW RULES OF ENGAGEMENT FOR US MILITARY IN COMBAT


Imagine this. Its WW2 right after the D-Day invasion. Sgt Rock and the 101st Airborne capture a platoon of German SS troops and take them captive after a firefight.

Obama tells them they have to line up the German SS troops and tell them...

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY, ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. YOU HAVE THE RIFHT TO AN ATTORNEY. IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD AN ATTORNEY, ONE WILL BE PROVIDED TO YOU.

If any of the soldiers refuse to talk, the ARMY cannot ask them anything or collect any intel from them so as not to deprive them of their US Constitutional rights.

These are the NEW RULES OF ENGAGEMENT OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION:

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Obama Administration Gives Miranda Warnings to Enemy Combatants in Afghanistan, Even Though They Are Not Legally Required

The Obama Administration is now requiring investigators to give Miranda warnings to some “captured foreign fighters” in Afghanistan, advising them that they have the “right to remain silent” rather than cooperate with American investigators! (Congressman Mike Rogers witnessed this while on a fact-finding mission in Afghanistan). Congress wasn’t told about this bizarre policy shift, which is apparently part of the Administration’s “global justice initiative.” But White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that this development “would not surprise him.”

This is extraordinarily stupid. As Obama himself once recognized, foreign terrorists do not have Miranda rights.

Miranda warnings are NOT required by international law for anyone, much less enemy combatants who do not follow the rules of war. Most countries not only do not require such warnings, but regard them as being at odds with the goal of getting at the truth. Miranda warnings are not a requirement of customary international law or international human-rights law (unlike torture, which is clearly banned by treaties like the Convention Against Torture). You don’t get Miranda-like warnings even in many European countries. (The word Miranda refers to Miranda v. Arizona, a controversial 5-to-4 U.S. Supreme Court decision in 1966 that for the first time mandated such warnings). Even in countries that do have similar warnings, they are generally mandated only by statute or the common law, not by the country’s constitution, and thus can be rescinded at the will of the national legislature (and thus can hardly be deemed to be a universal or inalienable “human right”). French anti-terror laws are much tougher than U.S. laws like the Patriot Act.

And these captured foreign fighters are neither U.S. citizens nor on American soil at the time of their capture and interrogation, so the U.S. Constitution gives them no right to Miranda warnings, either.

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Obama has actually said...he has a problem with 'WINNING' A WAR.

If you tie the hands of your warriors, you cant fucking win.

Send Obama to the front line in Iraq for six months so that he can get a reality check.

Lotus

Send Obama to the front line in Iraq for six months so that he can get a reality check.

Lotus

Ok, I need to go count the number of beers I've had. I just read a post from Lotus that I agree with.

Three men - a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden and a
White Trash Biker are all walking together one day.
They come across a lantern and a Genie pops out of it.
'I will give each of you one wish, which is three wishes in total', says the Genie.
The Canadian says, 'I am a farmer and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada '
POOF! With the blink of the Genie's eye, the land in Canada was forever fertile for farming.
Osama was amazed, so he said, 'I want a wall around Afghanistan , Palestine , Iraq and Iran so that no infidels, Americans or Canadians
can come into our precious land.'
POOF! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye, there was a huge wall around those countries.
The Biker says, 'I am very curious.
Please tell me more about this wall.'
The Genie explains, 'Well, it's about 5,000 feet high, 5oo feet thick and completely surrounds the country. Nothing can get in or out;
it's virtually impenetrable.'






The Biker sits down on his Harley, cracks a beer, lightes a cigar, smiles and says,
'Fill it with water.'

When we were at our best our leaders told our Generals to WIN and WIN THEY DID.

Shit changed when the leaders decided to fight wars by political committee.

We need to get Back to basics if we are going to be at war.


:pattonx:

If I remember correctly, if you're captured on the battlefield by the enemy, all he's entitled to know from you is your name, rank and number. Anything else, you're under no obligation to breathe a word.