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I came across an article about a guy called Richard Shaver, and he featured in a paranormal magazine from the 1940s called Amazing Stories. In it he claims that a race of ET's called the Titans came to this planet a very long time ago and began to seed life (BTW his writings pre-date Sitchin and all of the other ancient astronaut scholars).

Anyway, according to Shaver, they discovered that our sun was causing them to age prematurely so they went inside the gigantic city sized caverns beneath the earth and they seeded more life in there (Hopi legend claims that their ancestors originated in caveworlds beneath the Earth, but came to the surface when it became over-crowded). He goes on to say that they created robot beings to serve them as well as mixed breed beings, i.e., reptilians humanoids (the Hopi and many other ancient cultures also talk of their snake brothers who dwelt in the cavern worlds with their ancestors). He says that the creators or Titans eventually decided to leave the planet, but left most of the robots and mutants behind because there wasn't enough room on their craft for all of them.

Here's the article:


A Warning to Future Man


Shaver sent Palmer a 10,000 word letter entitled “A Warning For Man” which Palmer ran through his editor’s typewriter ending up with a “31,000 word story which [he] entitled “I Remember Lemuria!” “Complete with exclamation mark.”

According to the story published under Shaver’s byline, over 12,000 years ago a race known as the Titan-Altans came from a distant planet and settled on earth. They first settled on the continent of Atlantis and their culture spread all across the new planet. These extraterrestrial aliens communicated by thought transference and had spaceships that could travel at the speed of light. They also understood genetics far beyond our knowledge today and constructed “robot races” to do their dirty work. One of these “robot races” are our ancestors. Interestingly enough, another of these genetically created beings was half human-half snake. They also created fabulous machines that could have taken care of their every want and need.

Then their top scientists discovered the sun and its harsh radioactive rays was causing them to age. They began to construct huge cave-cities underground, using existing caverns when possible and then using huge machines to excavate even larger ones. Over a long period of time these cavern realms grew until they covered twice as much area as the exterior lands. Richard Shaver describes the cave system in Why the Caves are Secret in Issue A-1 of Hidden Worlds, Spring 1961:

“…I repeat. With the most positive finality, the caverns do exist, and they are incredibly extensive, so that the possible population (were not so many dead) could be thousands of times that of the surface of the earth, because it consists of very many tiers of caves …The caves are connected by broad highways, carved through the solid rock for thousands of miles, the whole inner earth being a vastly complicated network of tunnels connecting literally thousands of great caved as large as any surface city, and some so large as to dwarf a New York to insignificance,”
However, moving underground didn’t help. The whole planet was contaminated and Titans were only living for a few hundred years. The decision was to abandon the planet. According to Shaver their population was “more than fifty million” and:

“…There wasn’t enough spacecraft to transport all the Titans, plus all the robot races to a new planet nor, due to the great distance between the earth and the planet they had chosen as their new home would they be able to return for all of them. So many of the robots were left behind to fend for themselves; those who became our ancestors returned to the surface, adjusting to the sun’s radiation, and after many generations forgot about the caves beneath them. But many other robots remained in the cavern cities. They were shielded from some of the detrimental rays of the sun, but neither did they receive its beneficial rays; although they survived and reproduced, most of them degenerated into a race of psychotic dwarfs Shaver called dero, short for detrimental robots. There were others in the caves who managed to stave off the mental and physical deterioration of the dero, and did all they could to defeat them; they were the tero (integrative robots).”
However the deros were in control of all the wonderful machines left behind by the departing Titans and they used them to cause trouble for the humans on the exterior of the planet, everything from train, plane and car accidents to stumping toes and misplaced house keys, according to Shaver, was the fault of the deros.

The issue of Amazing Stories was a total sellout and Palmer began to include Shaver stories in ever issue. The Shaver stories caused the pulp magazine to increase its circulation from 135,000 to over 185,000. The letters from fans from 50 a month to 2500. It seemed that everyone had some kind of experience to report having to do with the mystery. Many claimed contact with deros, or that their neighbors were actually deros! The deros were referred to as “the fifth column from hell!” and an ex-Air Force Captain wrote:

“For heaven’s sake drop the whole thing! You are playing with dynamite. My companion and I fought our way out of a cave with submachine guns. I have two 9-inch scars on my left arm … my friend has a hole the size of a dime in his right biceps. It was scary inside … We both believe we know more about the Shaver Mystery than any other pair … don’t print our names. We are not cowards, but we are not crazy.”
The June 1947 issue of Amazing Stories was devoted entirely to the Shaver Mystery. However, everyone wasn’t happy with the magazine devotion to Shaver.

“The Queens Science Fiction League of New York passed a resolution that the Shaver stories endangered the sanity of their readers, and brought the resolution before the Society for the Suppression of Vice. A fan conference in Philadelphia was rocked by threats to draw up a petition to the Post Office, asking that Amazing Stories be banned from the mail,”
After the June 1947 issue, the Shaver stories were discontinued in Amazing Stories. Ray Palmer claimed that “someone convinced the publisher, William B. Ziff of the Ziff-Davis Publishing Company that the theories of Shaver and Palmer were in flat contradiction to Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity” and “this was obviously too much.”

Shaver believed that the stories were discontinued because a handful of science fiction fans were upset because Amazing was now featuring “true” stories and wanted the pulp to return to strictly fictional material. Several of these science fiction fans started a letter writing campaign and sent hundreds of letters to the publishing company about the Shaver stories. At any rate, Palmer quit his job, in support of Richard Shaver and his writings.

Palmer went on to start many of his own publications, Flying Saucers, Search, Mystic, Forum and several others. Probably the best known and most successful of these publications was Fate magazine which is still around today. He also published a series of 16 books called The Hidden World in the early 1960s, devoting the whole first issue (A-1) to the Shaver Mystery.

Shaver continued to tell his story, first in the short-lived Shaver Mystery Magazine, and later, to a steady stream of visitors to his small “Rock Shop” in Arkansas. At the height of it’s popularity most of the people in the US and many around the world knew of the Shaver Mystery. Today, except for a handful of Si-Fi buffs and those of us looking for information on our hollow planet, the knowledge of the Shaver Mystery seems to have disappeared. It’s as though the secret must be contained.

Both Ray “Rap” Palmer and Richard Sharpe Shaver died in 1975. Both insisted until the end, that what they were warning us of was true.

Was Richard Shaver a messenger chosen by some group of cosmic elders to open our eyes to the underground kingdoms and the dangers of the dero? Or was he simply a “crazy man” with a vivid imagination and a way with words? I believe the answer may be a combination of both.
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The odd thing is, it's just crazy enough to be true.

Definitely deserves a bump.
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The odd thing is, it's just crazy enough to be true.

Definitely deserves a bump.
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Yes, almost everything I read, from ancient and modern accounts, all seem to have a very similar theme to what Shaver wrote about back in the 40s.
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Incidentally, Shaver was a welder who heard voices while he used his electric welding equipment (arc welding). Think he had it together?
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The odd thing is, it's just crazy enough to be true.

Definitely deserves a bump.
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Those ufo that take people and test them have reminded me of a programme that is running which is still going .It would make sense of what is happening and the fact that it hasn't stopped even after ages of repetitous intrusions.They could be a biological computer mixture which would require blood/ plasma to keep running.Hence animal mutations.How they can be stopped I have no idea.I think the Ark of the Covenant could be another different type of blood/plasma computer which from the bible appears to be some sort of war machine.If I was a person living in a religious world I would think of them as devils.Wouldn't you? They must be going between here on earth and another dimension probably.It could be a time movement or a space movement.If we understood how they moved and where they were most likely going to be we could destroy them.A good thing for the Scottish genius to work on?
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The odd thing is, it's just crazy enough to be true.

Definitely deserves a bump.




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 Quoting: HardTruth

We can agree about the Shaver Mystery, yet disagree about Jesus Christ.

Interesting, isn't it?
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I will tell you a story.A few years ago some one said that ufo's could be seen nearby on a certain date.My daughter and I went and drove around in the dark.We spent quite awhile doing this .Eventually we came home disappointed.The next day My Mother phoned and said she was in bed when she heard a whirring sound and looked out her bedroom window.She saw a typical ufo with flashing lights.It flew away and later came back.After a few days she started saying it was a helicopter.I have the exact description written somewhere ,this is a rough outline and as it was about 18 years ago I may have forgotten some details.It was strange as I feel my daughter and I must have contacted the ufo.Why did it show itself to my mother?
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Do you think that somewhere someone is still following blood lines? It is as though we are lab rats .Or do you think they have gone and the programme is still running on regardless.
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You morons will believe anything putin
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You morons will believe anything putin
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It's moran idiot.
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Re: Before Sitchin and Co -- alien contactee wrote in the 1940s about ET's who came to earth 12,000BC, created robots, humans and hybrid servants, th
Just because we are writing about it does it follow we beleive it? So many people talk about things they don't believe.Look at politicians, actors ,writers and con men.I find it interesting to think and talk about these things.I certainly don't worship them.
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Incidentally, Shaver was a welder who heard voices while he used his electric welding equipment (arc welding). Think he had it together?
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Yes, but it may be true that electromagnetic fields from the electric welding equipment was causing 'electromagnetic voice phenomenon', which only Shaver could hear because he might have had a heightened sense of hearing -- similar to the way some animals can hear ultrasound, and the way clairaudients claim to hear voices from the spirit world.
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You morons will believe anything putin


It's moran idiot.
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Only if you feel you want to be part of the crowd - and I do not.
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Incidentally, Shaver was a welder who heard voices while he used his electric welding equipment (arc welding). Think he had it together?


Yes, but it may be true that electromagnetic fields from the electric welding equipment was causing 'electromagnetic voice phenomenon', which only Shaver could hear because he might have had a heightened sense of hearing -- similar to the way some animals can hear ultrasound, and the way clairaudients claim to hear voices from the spirit world.
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It's weird, I've actually heard singing while welding. Nothing really tangible, but some sort of tune that quit when I stopped. I figured it was some sort of vibration in the steel. Very interesting.
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Shaver was a schizophrenic who was hospitalized during much of the time when he claimed to have had his experiences. Ray Palmer rewrote his material to boost the sales of Amazing Stories magazine making a great deal of it up.

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Incidentally, Shaver was a welder who heard voices while he used his electric welding equipment (arc welding). Think he had it together?


Yes, but it may be true that electromagnetic fields from the electric welding equipment was causing 'electromagnetic voice phenomenon', which only Shaver could hear because he might have had a heightened sense of hearing -- similar to the way some animals can hear ultrasound, and the way clairaudients claim to hear voices from the spirit world.


It's weird, I've actually heard singing while welding. Nothing really tangible, but some sort of tune that quit when I stopped. I figured it was some sort of vibration in the steel. Very interesting.
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Actually, when I asked if he had it together I was joking. Welding. Together? Putting it together?
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You morons will believe anything putin


It's moran idiot.
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You need to go back to school to learn how to spell, Bad Moon. Just because most people don't seem to know how to spell moron (correct) doesn't mean that spelling it wrong makes it right. Sheesh!
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The odd thing is, it's just crazy enough to be true.

Definitely deserves a bump.
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What's interesting is that the title says "I Remember Lemuria" yet the story doesn't seem to say much about the Real Lemuria. I happen to know a lot about the history of Lemuria (and Lemurians) both from a few printed and discerned channeled sources and more importantly, through non-published channeling.

Things that stand out as not-true include several things, the most important of which is Lemuria was never underground, it was above ground and preceded Atlantis. The races that made up the Lemurians came to Earth millions of years ago, not 12,000, their home planet was not called "Titan", the fact that you don't need to "create" Lizard people... they existed before Atlantis and are from the planet Draconis and surrounding planets, and that the races that did go underground (not counting the Lizards/Reptiles) did so to avoid the negativity and wars that were becoming rampant on the surface, not because of the Suns rays. The most well-known Lemurians became the Telosians, after they moved their city Telos underground after the fall of Atlantis and are now better known as the Ascended Masters.

Granted, being underground could potentially save a race if there were massive solar flares/ejections or certain space object impacts upon the surface of Earth.

The story sounds like a hodge-podge of information, fictional or not, that may have come to him psychically but he was not able to understand it correctly, misinterpreted it or his sources where playing games with him. Part of it actually sounds like a sub-plot for the SciFi book series, "Saga of the Seven Suns" (obviously published after this material was published).
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Re: Before Sitchin and Co -- alien contactee wrote in the 1940s about ET's who came to earth 12,000BC, created robots, humans and hybrid servants, th
Sitchin came up with absolutely nothing new. Everything I read in his books I was already aware of some 45 years ago, it was in the comic books.
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Re: Before Sitchin and Co -- alien contactee wrote in the 1940s about ET's who came to earth 12,000BC, created robots, humans and hybrid servants, th
My sense is that a true understanding of genetics brings us to the realization of its illusionary nature. To say we are 'genetically engineered' only recognizes a symptom.E.g.; the prefix 'hu' before 'man'. If 'Man' is who we really are, defined as individual expressions of the Divine, with the 'Divine' existing as pure Spirit(Love),then 'hu', indicating the presence of matter, could suggest that we were 'co-opted', or 'duped' through a process of fashioning matter, with this science called 'genetics' being the engineering method.('duped'=duplicated)

Our consensual perception has been one where 'matter' is perceived to be authentic, and that it has authority. This perception is what has perpetuated what I call the 'Aegis of Control'. In short, it is the bogus, interminable 'life-death cycle'. There being no states of Perishableness in realms of the True Light.

I just want to add that being new to this website, I'm not sure if I'm treading over old ground here. But even if I am, it's important to keep beating the drums for the new realities we desire to create.
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Re: Before Sitchin and Co -- alien contactee wrote in the 1940s about ET's who came to earth 12,000BC, created robots, humans and hybrid servants, th
there is a lot of mental illness in the human race, plus geniuses who make up fantastic stories.

Many of our religions come from story tellers.

There is possibly a small amount of pure information, comnbined with a lot of fabrication to tell a complete story - it would be imposssible to verify any of it unless there was evidence that could be widely judged by impartiality. In this area of discussion , we have very little evidence and a great deal of variance in the reports. The truth is out there somewhere....
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You morons will believe anything putin


It's moran idiot.
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You might like this OP:

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are they reddisch and stressed ? and i dont mean the picture of putin.

i saw one in a milk van trying to say something with his eye.
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like a hard working coal miner but without the coal :/
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and i believe they do also things like the blair witch project when there hot or something or is that just english politics.
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i tought he worked for the secret service :?
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you know campers and kids

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