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| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:02 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
"and your point is"
...that having the gov give a young gal money to abort an unwanted fetus is better than throwing them from a cliff or using a coat hanger |
| Try the TRUTH this time...
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11/20/2009 5:06 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Abortion should be legal for Democrats.
(No matter how old they are)
Brilliant. But I would substitute "mandatory" for "legal." Controversial? Okay, okay. Make sterilization mandatory for democrats, just like they do for the serverely mentally ill. I'm fine with that. And BTW why the FUCK do we call them "democrats?" They have nothing to do with democracy. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:08 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
"and your point is"
...that having the gov give a young gal money to abort an unwanted fetus is better than throwing them from a cliff or using a coat hanger Quoting: Anonymous Coward 822142
Read my lips tard. Use a rubber or pull the hell out. And if you're too stupid to do that, raise the kid like a man. Now shut the hell up, you're boring everyone. |
| kat 
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11/20/2009 5:15 PM
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If the pro-aborts would just think. What if their mother
was pro-abort, would they be here?
It is God who decides life, not us, ever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 814325
This is the question I am sick of. Try asking us and see how we feel about it.
No one talks about quality of life. They just talk about the sacredness of life. All life is not created equal. It is why neglected and abused unwanted children live unhappy lives, are misfits in society, and many are criminals and drug addicts. We need parents who love and nurture us, and guess what? We don't get them. It's a no-brainer. It is the big piece of the puzzle that most of you are missing.
No good deed goes unpunished. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:17 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
"and your point is"
...that having the gov give a young gal money to abort an unwanted fetus is better than throwing them from a cliff or using a coat hanger Quoting: Anonymous Coward 822142
When you say "gov", you must know that you are talking about 300,000,000 people who make up the "gov", and as part of the "gov", I reject your suggestion to use my money so some teenage girl can have an abortion. If you want to help the young gal abort an unwanted fetus, you foot the bill out of your own pocket. There are alternatives to abortion. Give the baby up for adoption once the baby is born. Don't kill it.
You can't realize what a traumatic experience a person goes through when she has an abortion. There is also a lifetime mental scar she will have to live with because of her decision to abort. Would you cut your hand off because you didn't want it? Your hand can't think...it can't breathe, see, or hear. It's the same thing with a fetus. A fetus is a premature human being, but nontheless, human, and although it cannot see, breathe(as you know it), or think, it certainly can feel and hear. |
| kat
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11/20/2009 5:20 PM
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"and your point is"
...that having the gov give a young gal money to abort an unwanted fetus is better than throwing them from a cliff or using a coat hanger
When you say "gov", you must know that you are talking about 300,000,000 people who make up the "gov", and as part of the "gov", I reject your suggestion to use my money so some teenage girl can have an abortion. If you want to help the young gal abort an unwanted fetus, you foot the bill out of your own pocket. There are alternatives to abortion. Give the baby up for adoption once the baby is born. Don't kill it.
You can't realize what a traumatic experience a person goes through when she has an abortion. There is also a lifetime mental scar she will have to live with because of her decision to abort. Would you cut your hand off because you didn't want it? Your hand can't think...it can't breathe, see, or hear. It's the same thing with a fetus. A fetus is a premature human being, but nontheless, human, and although it cannot see, breathe(as you know it), or think, it certainly can feel and hear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 823334
This is so silly. We all die sooner or later. For some of us it would be so much better if it were sooner. Pain is part of life. You sound like people at the end of long, miserable lives can no longer feel, see and hear. Some of us have seen, felt and heard way more than we ever wanted to.
No good deed goes unpunished. |
| noblesse oblige
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11/20/2009 5:23 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Doesn't all of Christianity condemn the taking of innocent life?
So why is it always just the Catholic Church that stands up against abortion?
And yet we are daily reviled on this very forum.
Where are the rest of the Christians when it comes to preventing the 5,000 murdered daily in this country?
The silence is deafening. Quoting: Bluebird
Life is only precious when you are a child? At what age does this change? At what age do our lives begin to count less than the lives of children?
Oh, the silence is deafening. You're right about that. There is plenty of funding for bombs and war, which allows for the killing of civilians by the hundreds of thousands.
How amusing - the catholic church is standing up against abortion. These are the same people that cover up their own sex scandals (which usually involve children).
Oh well ...
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
“If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:25 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
"and your point is"
...that having the gov give a young gal money to abort an unwanted fetus is better than throwing them from a cliff or using a coat hanger
When you say "gov", you must know that you are talking about 300,000,000 people who make up the "gov", and as part of the "gov", I reject your suggestion to use my money so some teenage girl can have an abortion. If you want to help the young gal abort an unwanted fetus, you foot the bill out of your own pocket. There are alternatives to abortion. Give the baby up for adoption once the baby is born. Don't kill it.
You can't realize what a traumatic experience a person goes through when she has an abortion. There is also a lifetime mental scar she will have to live with because of her decision to abort. Would you cut your hand off because you didn't want it? Your hand can't think...it can't breathe, see, or hear. It's the same thing with a fetus. A fetus is a premature human being, but nontheless, human, and although it cannot see, breathe(as you know it), or think, it certainly can feel and hear.
This is so silly. We all die sooner or later. For some of us it would be so much better if it were sooner. Pain is part of life. You sound like people at the end of long, miserable lives can no longer feel, see and hear. Some of us have seen, felt and heard way more than we ever wanted to. Quoting: kat
Kit, please re-read my post again, and slowly.
Your retort indicates that you misunderstood what my point is. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:32 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Life is only precious when you are a child? At what age does this change? At what age do our lives begin to count less than the lives of children?
Oh, the silence is deafening. You're right about that. There is plenty of funding for bombs and war, which allows for the killing of civilians by the hundreds of thousands.
How amusing - the catholic church is standing up against abortion. These are the same people that cover up their own sex scandals (which usually involve children).
Oh well ... Quoting: noblesse oblige
Try to confine your thoughts to the current subject. The thread is about "White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL!:.
Nothing was mentioned about pedophile priests, although that is true and a cross the Catholic Church has to bear. This type of behavior is present in all religions. The Catholic does not have owners rights to it. It is just a juicy target for the MSM. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:32 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Bluebird, what can be said here, what is it going to take?
If you don't mind, maybe the Blessed Mother's words will do it, she spells it out. Read the in bold, repent and confess your sin to God if you were involved in any way with abortion or by your cooperation, voting for any pro-abortion legislator from the President on down. The
Blessed Mother is speaking to a Catholic seer but this
is for everyone, her words are meant for all. You can't
say you didn't know...thou shalt not kill.
+ + +
Apostolate of the Green Scapular Feb.18,2009
www.greenscapular.org
2009 Heavenly Messages as given to Anna Marie, an Apostle of the Green Scapular
MESSAGE FROM BLESSED MOTHER
REWARD FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT AGAINST ABORTIONS AND MORE
FEBRUARY 18, 2009 AT 8:24 PM
Anna Marie: My Lady, I hear you calling me. My Lady, will you bow down before Jesus your only begotten
Son of the Father, who suffered, died and was buried, arose from the dead, ascended into heaven where Jesus
now sits at His Father's right hand side to judge the living and the dead?
Mother Mary: Yes my dear daughter, I your Heavenly Mother, Mary of the Blessed Sacrament, will now and
will always bow down to adore my beautiful and holy only begotten Son of the Eternal Father, who did die on
the cross, was buried and descended to the dead then arose from the dead, ascended into heaven where my Son
now sits to judge the living and the dead.
Anna Marie: Yes my holy Lady, please speak for your sinful servant is listening.
Mother Mary: My dear one, I have called you this night to discuss a very serious and potentially harmful matter.
Anna Marie: Yes Mother.
Mother Mary: My Son is not pleased with your countries current governmental administration and the current
road of disaster it is taking. Many will be affected by the greed of others and the power they have obtained
through disregard of the Laws of God. For this, great tragedy is about to strike your planet. Your country has
become a den of evil, your government officials have forgotten the laws of the land by which your nation was
founded and the wrath of your Heavenly Father will soon strike for the many sins your country has committed.
Your nation must repent and do more for the least of God's children, this means stopping the murderous action
of abortions.
Anna Marie: My Lady, there is nothing I can do but pray. We are all praying that somehow our Lord Jesus
awakens the heart of the government officials who are ruling on this great evil. Our nation is praying, but so
many people who do not serve your Son won't listen. Even so called "good Catholics" currently employed in
a governmental position are now voting for the continued practices of abortion. What can we all do but pray
Mother?
Mother Mary: This is true little one, praying for the end of abortion is by far one of the greatest requests
heaven requires, so do that. Ask all Prayer Warriors across the globe to pray for the end of abortion especially
for America. Dear one, when the Heavenly Father begins to pour out His wrath upon your nation, many innocent
victims will also be taken. For these souls, pray hard for them and pray now, so that my Son's mercy will
envelop their souls in His glorious mercy.
Anna Marie: Yes Mother.
Mother Mary: Pray for the hardened hearts in your government, pray for these souls to open their hearts and
minds to discover what the will of God is, not what power they can obtain. For many in government are currently
destined to spend their eternity in hell. For any Catholic man or woman who has supported any legislation
towards the expansion of abortion in your country or in any other country, they can not call themselves
Christians. They are wolves dressed as sheep and they will certainly spend their eternal life in damnation.
Mother Mary: Pray little one, pray for all government leaders to repent of their roll in legislation or helping to
facilitate by word or deed the process of abortion. No one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless they repent
from having an abortion or were a participant in assisting another to abort a child.
Mother Mary: (Speaking directly to all Prayer Warriors) I call upon all my beloved children to hear your
Heavenly Mother's cry, pray for anyone you know who has aborted one of my Son's children. Pray for your
government officials who have supported the practices of abortion and pray for the doctors who have murdered
so many babies for thirty pieces of silver.
Mother Mary: I am pleading for this nation to repent and fast for this grave sin. As your Lenten season begins,
pray and fast my children. Make this years Lenten season a major effort to change the hearts and minds
of anyone who has participated in the abortion process. Pray that all these men and woman will open their
hardened hearts for even a moment to allow my Sons grace to pour into their hearts so they can realize;
damage and pain they have caused. Pray, repent and pray more.
Anna Marie: Mother dear, is their a special prayer we should all say during the forty days of Lent for your request?
Mother Mary: Yes, pray the Rosary for any soul who has participated in the murder of any aborted child. If
this is done, many will repent and leave this profession and begin working for the restoration of these little lost
lambs.
Anna Marie: Mother dear, are all the aborted babies with you? So many people baptize these little souls daily,
with the Baptism of Desire. So Mother Most Holy, do you have all these aborted babies?
Mother Mary: Yes my dear one, they are all here in heaven with me. Tell my children who have worked for
so many years towards ending this inhumane practice, they will receive a holy and special Crown of Glory in
heaven that I, their Heavenly Mother will personally crown them with.
Anna Marie: Mother, would this also include new people too? I mean those who have just begun helping to stop abortions?
Mother Mary: Yes, they too will be given this reward from their Heavenly Mother.
Anna Marie: Oh thank you Mother Dearest, for sharing this. Mother, is this the same crown I was shown only
a few days ago, but did not understand why I was shown this beautiful crown?
Mother Mary: Yes dear one.
Anna Marie: Oh Mother, please thank our Savior for His mercy. Mother Dear¦.
Mother Mary: Yes.
Anna Marie: Mother what if someone aborted a little child for whatever reason, but they have repented and
are so terribly sorry for making such a horrible mistake, and now they too are working hard to stop abortions.
Mother will they also receive a crown for their efforts, working towards stopping abortions?
Mother Mary: Yes, they too will receive this holy crown that I will bestow upon them.
Anna Marie: Mother, does this also mean for men, men and women?
Mother Mary: Yes, every last man or woman who serve their Savior and Heavenly Mother in prayer, in
works, in process, to stop abortions in any country; I their Heavenly Mother, Mary, will crown them with a
holy, special crown of grace.
Anna Marie: Oh Mother, thank you. Thank our Lord, Father and Jesus and Holy Spirit. Mother, we all love
you. Ave Maria, Ave Maria.
Mother Mary: Tell my children, I will be with them in prayer during Lent as they pray my Son's Rosary to
help stop abortions.
Anna Marie: Yes Mother. Thank you Mother. All Apostles around the world love you Mother.
Mother Mary: I love them too.
END OF MESSAGE |
| kat
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11/20/2009 5:33 PM
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"and your point is"
...that having the gov give a young gal money to abort an unwanted fetus is better than throwing them from a cliff or using a coat hanger
When you say "gov", you must know that you are talking about 300,000,000 people who make up the "gov", and as part of the "gov", I reject your suggestion to use my money so some teenage girl can have an abortion. If you want to help the young gal abort an unwanted fetus, you foot the bill out of your own pocket. There are alternatives to abortion. Give the baby up for adoption once the baby is born. Don't kill it.
You can't realize what a traumatic experience a person goes through when she has an abortion. There is also a lifetime mental scar she will have to live with because of her decision to abort. Would you cut your hand off because you didn't want it? Your hand can't think...it can't breathe, see, or hear. It's the same thing with a fetus. A fetus is a premature human being, but nontheless, human, and although it cannot see, breathe(as you know it), or think, it certainly can feel and hear.
This is so silly. We all die sooner or later. For some of us it would be so much better if it were sooner. Pain is part of life. You sound like people at the end of long, miserable lives can no longer feel, see and hear. Some of us have seen, felt and heard way more than we ever wanted to.
Kit, please re-read my post again, and slowly.
Your retort indicates that you misunderstood what my point is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 823334
Your point is?
No good deed goes unpunished. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:36 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
that a fetus is like a hand
lol |
| Bluebird
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11/20/2009 5:40 PM
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If the pro-aborts would just think. What if their mother
was pro-abort, would they be here?
It is God who decides life, not us, ever.
This is the question I am sick of. Try asking us and see how we feel about it.
No one talks about quality of life. They just talk about the sacredness of life. All life is not created equal. It is why neglected and abused unwanted children live unhappy lives, are misfits in society, and many are criminals and drug addicts. We need parents who love and nurture us, and guess what? We don't get them. It's a no-brainer. It is the big piece of the puzzle that most of you are missing. Quoting: kat
No, most of us have been both a parent and a child and have seen our share of misery.
But that does not entitle anybody to force me to pay for their abortion and has nothing to do with that.
We can argue the merits of life all day but you have yet to tell me one time why I should PAY for somebody else's abortion.
Healthcare is about the prevention and treatment of disease and not about killing anybody. Abortion has nothing at all to do with healthcare. If anyone wants an abortion, leave me out of it.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| kat
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11/20/2009 5:46 PM
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If the pro-aborts would just think. What if their mother
was pro-abort, would they be here?
It is God who decides life, not us, ever.
This is the question I am sick of. Try asking us and see how we feel about it.
No one talks about quality of life. They just talk about the sacredness of life. All life is not created equal. It is why neglected and abused unwanted children live unhappy lives, are misfits in society, and many are criminals and drug addicts. We need parents who love and nurture us, and guess what? We don't get them. It's a no-brainer. It is the big piece of the puzzle that most of you are missing.
No, most of us have been both a parent and a child and have seen our share of misery.
But that does not entitle anybody to force me to pay for their abortion and has nothing to do with that.
We can argue the merits of life all day but you have yet to tell me one time why I should PAY for somebody else's abortion.
Healthcare is about the prevention and treatment of disease and not about killing anybody. Abortion has nothing at all to do with healthcare. If anyone wants an abortion, leave me out of it. Quoting: Bluebird
So you are about perpetuating more misery on the human race, and having taxpayers pay for unwanted children and building more prisons paid for by the taxpayers, and housing the inmates for thousands of dollars each per month, Maybe you work in the prison industry.
No good deed goes unpunished. |
| noblesse oblige
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11/20/2009 5:46 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Life is only precious when you are a child? At what age does this change? At what age do our lives begin to count less than the lives of children?
Oh, the silence is deafening. You're right about that. There is plenty of funding for bombs and war, which allows for the killing of civilians by the hundreds of thousands.
How amusing - the catholic church is standing up against abortion. These are the same people that cover up their own sex scandals (which usually involve children).
Oh well ...
Try to confine your thoughts to the current subject. The thread is about "White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL!:.
Nothing was mentioned about pedophile priests, although that is true and a cross the Catholic Church has to bear. This type of behavior is present in all religions. The Catholic does not have owners rights to it. It is just a juicy target for the MSM. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 823334
There was a question asked and I answered it. Now, have another drink of cheap vodka and find someone else to follow around this evening.
“If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” |
| Bluebird
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11/20/2009 5:51 PM
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Doesn't all of Christianity condemn the taking of innocent life?
So why is it always just the Catholic Church that stands up against abortion?
And yet we are daily reviled on this very forum.
Where are the rest of the Christians when it comes to preventing the 5,000 murdered daily in this country?
The silence is deafening.
here...? Well, some at least...
Unprecedented coalition of religious leaders call Americans
to stand for sanctity of life, marriage, and religious freedom
Washington D.C., Nov 20, 2009 / 06:21 am (CNA).
- An unprecedented coalition of prominent Christian clergy, ministry leaders, and scholars has crafted a 4,700-word declaration addressing the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and religious liberty. The declaration issues “a clarion call” to Christians to adhere to their convictions and informs civil authorities that the signers will not “under any circumstance” abandon their Christian consciences.
The statement, called “the Manhattan Declaration,” has been signed by more than 125 Catholic, Evangelical Christian, and Orthodox leaders, and will be made fully public at a noon press conference in the National Press Club in Washington DC on Friday.
“ We are Christians who have joined together across historic lines of ecclesial differences to affirm our right—and, more importantly, to embrace our obligation—to speak and act in defense of these truths. We pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence,” the statement says.
“We recognize the duty to comply with laws whether we happen to like them or not, unless the laws are gravely unjust or require those subject to them to do something unjust or otherwise immoral,” the signatories explain.
But they also made clear that “ we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriage or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family.”
The Manhattan Declaration is the result of several months of dialogue among Orthodox, Catholic, and evangelical Christian leaders culminating in a gathering of approximately 100 leaders in New York City on September 28, 2009.
Attendees considered an early draft of the “Manhattan Declaration, A Call of Christian Conscience,” but the document was entrusted to a drafting committee that included Dr. Timothy George of Beeson Divinity School at Samford University, Dr. Robert P. George of Princeton University, and renowned Evangelical leader Charles Colson.
The signatories explained that they speak now because in order "to defend principles of justice and the common good that are now under assault."
" We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, but we will under no circumstances render to Caesar what is God’s."
The signatories of the Manhattan Declaration explain that although public sentiment has moved in a pro-life direction, "pro-abortion ideology prevails in many places of power and influence."
" Our government promotes and funds scientific research in which the lives of tiny human beings in the early embryonic states of development are treated as disposable research material."
They also contend that "public policies contribute to the weakening of the institution of marriage, including the discredited idea of unilateral divorce," while "influential individuals and organizations are seeking to redefine marriage to embrace same-sex partnerships and to recognize multiple-party sexual unions that are beyond same-sex marriage.”
Signatories of the declaration include Cardinal Justin Rigali, Archbishop of Philadelphia; Cardinal Adam Maida, Archbishop Emeritus of Detroit; Charles J. Chaput, Archbishop of Denver; Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York; Donald W. Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, D.C.; John J. Myers, Archbishop of Newark; John Nienstedt, Archbishop of Saint Paul and Minneapolis; Joseph F. Naumann, Archbishop of Kansas City; Joseph E. Kurtz, Archbishop of Louisville; Thomas J. Olmsted, Bishop of Phoenix; Michael J. Sheridan, Bishop of Colorado Springs; Salvatore Joseph Cordileone, Bishop of Oakland; Richard J. Malone, Bishop of Portland; and David A. Zubik, Bishop of Pittsburgh.
Other signatories include Metropolitan Jonah Paffhausen, Primate of the Orthodox Church in America; Most Rev. Peter J. Akinola, Primate of the Anglican Church of Nigeria; Jody Bottum, Editor of First Things; Chuck Colson, Founder of the Chuck Colson Center for Christian Worldview; Marjorie Dannenfelser, President of the Susan B. Anthony List; Dr. James Dobson, Founder of Focus on the Family; Dr. William Donohue, President of the Catholic League; Most Rev. Robert Wm. Duncan, Primate of the Anglican Church in North America; Fr. Joseph D. Fessio, Founder and Editor of Ignatius Press; Maggie Gallagher, President of Institute for Marriage and Public Policy; Dr. Robert P. George; Fr. Chad Hatfield, Archpriest of St Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary; Jerry Jenkins, Chairman of the board of trustees for Moody Bible Institute; Jim Kushiner, Editor of Touchstone; Dr. Richard Land, President of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the SBC; Rev. William Owens, Chairman of the Coalition of African-American Pastors; Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council; Michael Timmis, Chairman of Prison Fellowship International; Juan Valdes, Chaplain of Florida Christian School and George Weigel, Senior Fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
The full document will be available [ link to www.manhattandeclaration.org] following the press conference.
[ link to www.catholicnewsagency.com]
This is absolutely OUTSTANDING!
Now THAT's what I'm talking about!
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| kat
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11/20/2009 5:53 PM
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The Roman catholic church is into human misery, which they call suffering. So of course they want more miserable humans born into this world. Unwanted children are not nurtured or encouraged to be the best people they can be. We are the losers of this world. No matter how much potential or how intelligent or talented we may be, because we were not encourage by parents to achieve and excel, we are the bulk of the useless eaters, spending our lives in mental and emotional pain. Not contributing to the world, or society.
No good deed goes unpunished. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/20/2009 5:53 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
No it's not federal funds. There's already a law that prevents anyone using federal funds for abortion. Don't you know that?
This is to prevent anyone from buying with their own private money insurance that has abortion coverage.
Do some research.
Like I said, I'm normally a big fan, but you're wrong on this one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754717
Yup. The OP has totally bought into the GOP/right wing's talking points (yet again).
This is a health care bill that maintains the status quo on this issue. The GOP/right wing wants to try to make it all about abortion as part of their overall strategy to kill the bill. |
| Bluebird
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11/20/2009 5:58 PM
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Doesn't all of Christianity condemn the taking of innocent life?
So why is it always just the Catholic Church that stands up against abortion?
And yet we are daily reviled on this very forum.
Where are the rest of the Christians when it comes to preventing the 5,000 murdered daily in this country?
The silence is deafening.
Life is only precious when you are a child? At what age does this change? At what age do our lives begin to count less than the lives of children?
Oh, the silence is deafening. You're right about that. There is plenty of funding for bombs and war, which allows for the killing of civilians by the hundreds of thousands.
How amusing - the catholic church is standing up against abortion. These are the same people that cover up their own sex scandals (which usually involve children).
Oh well ...
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Quoting: noblesse oblige
No where did I say life was ONLY precious if you are a child so there is nothing to answer because I didn't say that.
But there are no more sex scandals in the Catholic Church than in any other. I do find it very odd that no other denomination is held responsible when one of their clergy or youth ministers or ministers of music does the very same thing and you can't even find the denomination mentioned in the news coverage. Only if it is a Catholic Priest is the whole religion smeared now that you mention it.
But that's another subject and has nothing to do with forcing me to pay for abortions for others.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778817
United States
11/20/2009 5:58 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
No it's not federal funds. There's already a law that prevents anyone using federal funds for abortion. Don't you know that?
This is to prevent anyone from buying with their own private money insurance that has abortion coverage.
Do some research.
Like I said, I'm normally a big fan, but you're wrong on this one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754717
Yup. The OP has bought into all the talking points by the GOP/right wing (yet again). This is a health care bill that maintains the status quo on this issue. The Grand Obstructionist Party/right wing wants to make it all about abortion as part of their overall strategy to kill the bill.
The OP is absolutely wrong on this one. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778817
United States
11/20/2009 6:01 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
How can I possibly be wrong when I say I am very opposed to paying for ABORTIONS for anybody?
What you do is your own business, just don't expect ME to pay for it.
YOU don't have the right to FORCE ME to pay for YOUR choices in life.
Feel free to negotiate for NON-Taxfunded abortions or whatever it is you want but don't try to make me a participant in it. Quoting: Bluebird
It's funny how the right is always talking about less government intervention and keeping the government out of health care issues between patients and their doctors, but when it comes to this issue they are all for it.
It's just yet another example of their hypocrisy.
And, btw, why is this any different from my tax dollars going to support military actions that I don't support? |
| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/20/2009 6:02 PM
| | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
If the pro-aborts would just think. What if their mother
was pro-abort, would they be here?
It is God who decides life, not us, ever.
This is the question I am sick of. Try asking us and see how we feel about it.
No one talks about quality of life. They just talk about the sacredness of life. All life is not created equal. It is why neglected and abused unwanted children live unhappy lives, are misfits in society, and many are criminals and drug addicts. We need parents who love and nurture us, and guess what? We don't get them. It's a no-brainer. It is the big piece of the puzzle that most of you are missing. Quoting: kat
Again, you miss the point.
What does how YOU feel require me to pay for somebody's abortion?
Does how I feel about something mean you have to pay for that?
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 814325
United States
11/20/2009 6:08 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
The Roman catholic church is into human misery, which they call suffering. So of course they want more miserable humans born into this world. Unwanted children are not nurtured or encouraged to be the best people they can be. We are the losers of this world. No matter how much potential or how intelligent or talented we may be, because we were not encourage by parents to achieve and excel, we are the bulk of the useless eaters, spending our lives in mental and emotional pain. Not contributing to the world, or society. Quoting: kat
Your response is proof.
There is a reason you've always been off, come back to the faith, stop attending the Protestant Church (the Anglican, the Episcopal) you think is so reverent, it is a grave sin to leave the true faith. You are not in the state of grace.
Go to Confession.
Don't make the mistake your father made. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778817
United States
11/20/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
One more thing....
nothing was "sneaked" back into the bill.
(psst...OP....your U.K. hold card just got turned over) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 823372
United States
11/20/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Bluebird, there are other religious groups who also oppose abortion and let the government know it, but they are not given the kind of media coverage that the Catholic Church is given. The Catholic Church seems to carry more weight with those in the press. I know that I receive many emails from religious groups that are not Catholic that ask for my participation in their pro-life campaigns. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 493498
United States
11/20/2009 6:09 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Abortion is not a Christian issue. It's a political issue that some Christians try to make a religious issue. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 822494
A woman spoke at my church a few years ago. Long story short, she fell away from her faith, got pregnant had an abortion. Years later, she recommited herself to Christ and started feeling very guilty about the life she cut short. During a women's retreat, she was crying out to God and asking for help so she could move on with her life. God took her in the spirit and allowed her to meet her baby girl. Christ allowed her to hold her - she said she knew when it was time to give her back and could feel how much God loved the baby. He asked her if there was anything else she needed, and she said 'Yes, what is her name?' "Elizabeth". Her spiritual experience was over. When she looked up the name Elizabeth, she learned the meaning was 'reconciled to God'.
God is big enough to take all babies murdered by abortion, doesn't make it right. What people need to think about is how it's going to affect the rest of their lives. Men & women alike. The decision to rip a developing child out of the womb can have life long, emotionally devestating effects.
When the pastor asked people who wanted forgiveness & prayer for abortion to come foward, the crowd was enourmous. |
| Bluebird
User ID: 730536
United States
11/20/2009 6:11 PM
| | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
No it's not federal funds. There's already a law that prevents anyone using federal funds for abortion. Don't you know that?
This is to prevent anyone from buying with their own private money insurance that has abortion coverage.
Do some research.
Like I said, I'm normally a big fan, but you're wrong on this one.
Yup. The OP has bought into all the talking points by the GOP/right wing (yet again). This is a health care bill that maintains the status quo on this issue. The Grand Obstructionist Party/right wing wants to make it all about abortion as part of their overall strategy to kill the bill.
The OP is absolutely wrong on this one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778817
No, I am not wrong. No one has the right to force another to do something like pay for their killing of an infant. It violates my freedom of religion for one thing but is just totally illogical for another.
This has been the law for the last ten years, no federal funding for abortions and this is subterfuge to overturn that. Nothing in this bill would make abortion illegal for those who practice such things.
Do you also support FORCING conscientious objectors to shoot people in time of war? This country has always BEFORE managed to respect the deeply held convictions of religions and there is no reason to run rough-shod over them with this deathcare bill.
Are you also for forcing physicians to perform them as well? Same thing. How about Catholic hospitals? Going to miss those when they are pulled from the system with the shortages that already exist?
ALL I am asking it to be left out of what I consider both a crime against God and Nature.
You cannot legislate the beliefs of others and then force them on us.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 817101
United States
11/20/2009 6:11 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
A question that we should be asking is are you alright for your tax money to be paying for abortions? I for one am NOT!!! I do not agree personally with abortions and hate this being forced on us. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 814325
United States
11/20/2009 6:22 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
Bluebird, there are other religious groups who also oppose abortion and let the government know it, but they are not given the kind of media coverage that the Catholic Church is given. The Catholic Church seems to carry more weight with those in the press. I know that I receive many emails from religious groups that are not Catholic that ask for my participation in their pro-life campaigns. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 823372
She has the authority, the weight, she is the true faith.
The Roman Catholic Church proclaims the whole true of God.
Protestants fall away on much and on life, once believing but
now accepting contraception....which will always be a grave sin!
Protestants won't respond, the Pill is an abortifaciant. It doesn't matter, they now believe it is man who decides life not God, they do not follow God.
Look at the fruit of contraception, it has caused the destruction of the family by the increase of adultery, fornication and horrid, legalized abortion! I haven't mentioned all it's evil. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 823334
United States
11/20/2009 6:24 PM | | Re: White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! | Quote |
The Roman catholic church is into human misery, which they call suffering. So of course they want more miserable humans born into this world. Unwanted children are not nurtured or encouraged to be the best people they can be. We are the losers of this world. No matter how much potential or how intelligent or talented we may be, because we were not encourage by parents to achieve and excel, we are the bulk of the useless eaters, spending our lives in mental and emotional pain. Not contributing to the world, or society. Quoting: kat
The Catholic Church is not "into human misery, which they call suffering." as you call it. Human misery is the result of how humans live, how they are brought up, and their environment, not a result of anything the Catholic Church did. You have a crummy outlook on life, and that's your problem. Stop blaming unconnected parties to your fantasies.
The theme of this thread is "White House at odds with bishops over abortion--THEY SNEAKED IT BACK IN THE BILL! ". Try to stay on the same page instead of rambling on about all the crap floating around in your head that is not connected to ABORTION...GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY...GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY OF ABORTION...SNEAK ABORTION SUBSIDY BACK IN HEALTHCARE BILL...
Got it? No mention of misery, rape, incest, pedophile....nada!
Capice? |
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