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Anonymous Coward User ID: 789005 United States 11/21/2009 07:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | adv thread search [link to www.fileden.com] Quoting: Phennommennonn[link to www.blacklistednews.com] 11-20-2009 The Illinois State Rifle Association www.isra.org has issued a warning to its members of a disturbing trend that is a direct threat to gun ownership. A new law (PA 95-0564) that requires health care providers to report patients to the state police is playing havoc with Illinois gun owners. The Law was passed by the Illinois General Assembly in a knee jerk response to the Virginia Tech shooting. The law requires mental health care providers to report patients that are deemed a threat to themselves or society to the Illinois State Police (ISP) but the new law has taken an unexpected twist. The ISRA has learned that during certain hospital admission procedures a short interview with a Psychologist maybe part of the admissions process. The admittance process that triggers an interview with a psychologist may include stress, alcohol treatment or other scenarios. These seemingly innocent hospital knock and talk interviews are being used by the ISP as a disqualifier for gun ownership. The ISRA has learned of gun owners being sent notices from the ISP that their FOID card has been revoked after a visit to the hospital. Apparently Hospitals strapped for cash have included Psychologist interviews as part of their admittents process. The ISRA is encouraging its members to respectfully decline these interviews if possible. They are also suggesting that if a member is caught in one of these interviews that they remove their guns from their homes as quickly as possible to a friend or family member with a valid FOID card for safe keeping. Until the passage of the new law, Illinois and federal gun laws disqualified people from owning a firearm if they had been adjudicated for mental health reasons. Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act and the Illinois FOID card law, non-violent felons and people with mental illness were allowed to own guns, yet crime was low. The health care community understood that the vast majority of people suffering from mental health problems were withdrawn and not a threat to themselves or society. Plus there was the notion that people could be treated with mental health problems and expect a full recovery. Will the new law force Illinoisans to put mental health back into the closet or seek alternative means of treatment? The media loves to associate gun violence with mental illness but ignores the side effects of psychotropic drugs like Prozac and their possible link to violence. The United States has a long history of guns being given to family members as heirlooms; will that tradition come to an end in Illinois? If the State of Illinois wants to put Mental Health back into the closet their doing an excellent job. I am not surprised to see this in the Communist State of Illinois. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 822984 United States 11/21/2009 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we know its coming - they just cant outright ban all guns here. theyre just gonna keep chiseling away at the ice until theres nuthn left. the UN wants to disarm. this is how it happens....one bullshit law/regulation after another. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 789005 United States 11/21/2009 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we know its coming - they just cant outright ban all guns here. theyre just gonna keep chiseling away at the ice until theres nuthn left. the UN wants to disarm. this is how it happens....one bullshit law/regulation after another. Quoting: PhennommennonnI can tell you this... down in the South here they don't try to pull BS like this... we will not have it. |
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mercury2 User ID: 101513 United States 11/21/2009 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I knew it was just a matter of time before the same tactic was used against civilians. IT'S REALLY DISTURBING. Makes me never want to go to the doctor for any reason, if by doing so you surrender your constitutional rights! |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 822984 United States 11/21/2009 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I first heard of this exact thing being used against veterans, they would be asked by a doctor "Have you ever been depressed?" and then if they said yes, they would be diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder and prohibited from owning firearms, and also all members of their family that live with them were prohibited from owning firearms as well. Quoting: mercury2I knew it was just a matter of time before the same tactic was used against civilians. IT'S REALLY DISTURBING. Makes me never want to go to the doctor for any reason, if by doing so you surrender your constitutional rights! that was last year if i recall? - here in pa you have to be careful what you say to your doctor. this one guys been fighting the state since 05 i think. dude went to his dr for just a checkup. dr asked him if he drinks. he says 'yea i have a beer every night at dinner'. dr sends a memo to dmv - they revoked his license. dudes been filing appeals since. has other dr's backup that hes not an alkie or a risk on the road. for fucks sake the guy told the dr the truth!! 1 fuckin beer. hes got no dmv violations, no dui arrests, admits he drinks one beer at home - dude not only lost his lic but his job. he was supposed to sue that dr...i havent kept up to find out if he did. also dr's are questioning kids in appts. making parents leave exam room. asking kids if theres violence in the home (they'll call cps), they ask about guns/weapons in the home, illegal drugs, - seriously theyre doing that shit here and have been since 07. Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 11/21/2009 07:36 AM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 822984 United States 11/21/2009 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: DaJavoo :fuckyeah6: political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
mercury2 User ID: 823827 United States 11/21/2009 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that was last year if i recall? - here in pa you have to be careful what you say to your doctor. this one guys been fighting the state since 05 i think. dude went to his dr for just a checkup. dr asked him if he drinks. he says 'yea i have a beer every night at dinner'. dr sends a memo to dmv - they revoked his license. dudes been filing appeals since. has other dr's backup that hes not an alkie or a risk on the road. for fucks sake the guy told the dr the truth!! 1 fuckin beer. hes got no dmv violations, no dui arrests, admits he drinks one beer at home - dude not only lost his lic but his job. he was supposed to sue that dr...i havent kept up to find out if he did. Quoting: PhennommennonnThat is so seriously, seriously wrong. If anyone is interested in these issues that guy Jack Timpey (I think!?) who wrote "The Small Book" about quitting drinking, has a lot to say about state involvement and collusion with AA on his web site Rational Recovery [link to www.rationalrecovery.com] He has a strong position about the hypocrisy of AA's "anonymity" and "non-coercion" principles being violated by their cooperation with judges sentencing people to AA meetings. It's been a while since I read there but he has a very strong rant saying you have a duty to lie to these people about your drinking past, that you should never label yourself with the term "alcoholic", that it will be used against you, that the medical field and the state do not have your best interests at heart and that you must lie for your own survival. It really bugs me that it's that way, it makes me not want to go to the doctor ever at all, I don't like lying, but they always ask if you have a history of "alcoholism" or if your family does, which I suppose if I accept the term, the answer is yes, but the "disease" concept of alcoholism is controversial, and who ever heard of a disease that the cure for it is to go to church? (Alcoholics Anonymous is not a religion, and now let's all recite the Lord's Prayer together - right). Anyway not to get into too many other subjects but the point he made about having a duty to yourself and your family to lie to people in power about your past if you are a "recovering alcoholic", is something I have always remembered. Certainly your post brings that to mind! How atrocious! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 823883 United States 11/21/2009 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I first heard of this exact thing being used against veterans, they would be asked by a doctor "Have you ever been depressed?" and then if they said yes, they would be diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder and prohibited from owning firearms, and also all members of their family that live with them were prohibited from owning firearms as well. Quoting: PhennommennonnI knew it was just a matter of time before the same tactic was used against civilians. IT'S REALLY DISTURBING. Makes me never want to go to the doctor for any reason, if by doing so you surrender your constitutional rights! that was last year if i recall? - here in pa you have to be careful what you say to your doctor. this one guys been fighting the state since 05 i think. dude went to his dr for just a checkup. dr asked him if he drinks. he says 'yea i have a beer every night at dinner'. dr sends a memo to dmv - they revoked his license. dudes been filing appeals since. has other dr's backup that hes not an alkie or a risk on the road. for fucks sake the guy told the dr the truth!! 1 fuckin beer. hes got no dmv violations, no dui arrests, admits he drinks one beer at home - dude not only lost his lic but his job. he was supposed to sue that dr...i havent kept up to find out if he did. also dr's are questioning kids in appts. making parents leave exam room. asking kids if theres violence in the home (they'll call cps), they ask about guns/weapons in the home, illegal drugs, - seriously theyre doing that shit here and have been since 07. Unfucking real!.....Its all unfucking real! What next ...strip searched to buy grocerys? I should have never said that......... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 823883 United States 11/21/2009 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Phennommennonn LOL Breakfast Club Love that movie |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 822984 United States 11/21/2009 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a rule of thumb, if any one other than a friend or family asks you about your guns, you don't have any. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793891back in 93 i had an opportunity to transfer my federal job into another - to the fbi fingerprinting ctr. tho i didnt have to go thru any civil svc tests, i did have to complete the app as a formality. i shit you not - on the app they wanted to know if if the applicant has any abortions and how many and why. to add insult to injury they also wanted the applicant to list EVERY FAMILY MEMBER who had guns/rifles, how many, etc. ummmm i come from an old school italian family. nuff said. needless to say, i used the app for toilet paper. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 823883 United States 11/21/2009 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a rule of thumb, if any one other than a friend or family asks you about your guns, you don't have any. Quoting: Phennommennonnback in 93 i had an opportunity to transfer my federal job into another - to the fbi fingerprinting ctr. tho i didnt have to go thru any civil svc tests, i did have to complete the app as a formality. i shit you not - on the app they wanted to know if if the applicant has any abortions and how many and why. to add insult to injury they also wanted the applicant to list EVERY FAMILY MEMBER who had guns/rifles, how many, etc. ummmm i come from an old school italian family. nuff said. needless to say, i used the app for toilet paper. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 822984 United States 11/21/2009 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | theres a shitload of anti gun bills here [link to gunowners.org] political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States 11/21/2009 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all know it's just a matter of tie until the Bolshoviks in Washington start in earnest with this. Mum's the word and loose lips sink ships and all that. Don't tell anybody anything ever, lol. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 823919 United Kingdom 11/21/2009 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They fear the armed, alert, ready and active citizen of the Repulic waking up and taking it to the man and causing a little 1776 all over again. Its going to have to come to it people, and deep down we all know it. A life in chains on your knees or a summer in the sun on your feet in full and glorious freedom? |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 822984 United States 11/21/2009 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have no doubt that mental health screenings will become mandatory under federal health care. Quoting: Evil Twindont you think thats so setup? since the 90's theyve been shoving anti-depressants down everyones throats for every fart people let....and here theyre gonna use it against ppl. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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