Let's talk about the foundation for Christianity for the Millennium and beyond

Well it is a good thing this New Jerusalem Church passes with all A's and is leading the world into the Millennial reign.

Nov 9/5

Why would I want to stop building the New Jerusalem Kingdom of God on Earth? If you read the news, this is exactly what we all should be doing. Unite all the nations into the New Jerusalem and fix our environmental problems so that our children inherit a healed planet.


Nov 9/5

Exactly

Good thing the New Jerusalem system represents a clear simple easy to understand foundation of God

Nov 9/5

We call that the Holy Bible.

"Why would I want to stop building the New Jerusalem Kingdom of God on Earth?"

I can't answer that for you. However, if I were to ask myself about building the "New Jerusalem" (or any other question I have in this world) I always turn to the Word of God to see what he answers and has to say.

Regarding the "New Jerusalem" (which God plainly states he builds, not any man) I have found that nowhere in God's Word am I or anyone else instructed to build a kingdom on earth. I will find that any man who tried it, failed miserably or it was not lasting.

In fact, I will find that man fails over, and over, and over again and our human efforts are hollow and empty. I will find that Jesus is the only one who can usher anything of value into this planet. And, I will find that Christ has strong words for those who would place themselves in such a position as to believe they are capable of what only God is capable of. Dangerous, IMO.

Now understand, I have to take God's word over any man. God's answer and explanation of the New Jerusalem does not jive with what you are saying about it. Somehow you read the same thing I have and reached a completely different conclusion. One of us is dead wrong.

I am not so bold as to say who is right for God. I am only saying one of us is truly hearing what God is actually speaking in his Word.

And, only God can determine who is hearing him. Anyway, it does not matter who is right or wrong, here publicly. What matters is if privately, between God and us, and in our own heart....we are in touch with him.

When I listen to God in his Word he seems to say to me that we cannot "fix" anything, not even our own lives really. And, especially not the planet. I guess you did not get that same message.

Good thing the New Jerusalem foundation system sits well with the King James Bible

Nov 9/5

So since this one is still standing when will you accept that it is of God?

Nov 9/5

This entire thread is spam for your website and manual and an attempt to solicit followers to your cult.

You DO realize this forum is for conspiracy theories and not for trolling for adherents for YOUR site, don't you?

"When I listen to God in his Word he seems to say to me that we cannot "fix" anything, not even our own lives really. And, especially not the planet. I guess you did not get that same message."


I got the message of Jesus who says we can do great things.

John 14:12 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do: because I go unto my Father.

Nov 9/5

It is simply a thread to build the New Jerusalem Kingdom of God on Earth. So are you saying that no serious discussion is allowed here?

This verse is of course true to me as it came directly from Christ. But, When Jesus is speaking here, he is not referring to the New Jerusalem or building a kingdom on earth.

Further, nowhere in this verse you quoted does Jesus say that we do any of this by our own power. When Jesus is talking here he is talking to his disciples about works such as his miracles. Healing the blind, lame, deaf, and ill.

We do not go around physically healing blind people like Jesus did. He showed us practically what we are to do spiritually in his name. Not of any of our own power and not for any of our own glorification but that people may see God's glory and be saved, not us and our 'works.' There is real power in Christ that surpasses words.


WE ARE THE BLIND, DEAF, AND DUMB PEOPLE THAT CHRIST HEALED. And now we who have been saved see, hear, and testify. Therefore, we are now tasked to watch, listen, and to testify of Christ to those who are blind, deaf, and dumb that they may see Jesus, not us or our efforts. It may be a kind word or gesture that Christ does in us that causes someone to catch a glimpse of God. It may be a prayer answered. We don't know we are only an implement not the implementor.

Our "works" are to be the same. "Works" are not earning God's love or doing God's job for him by mistakenly building an earthly kingdom and healing physically blind, deaf, and dumb people.

Same with the New Jerusalem, as I see God said it. Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world. You are talking about bringing the Kingdom to earth and making a spiritual kingdom physical. That is exactly what Israel mistook in Jesus. They believed he was bringing a physical kingdom NOW and were confused at first when this did not happen when instead Jesus was killed.

You are talking about man bringing man UP to reach God. I don't believe we can do that. God comes DOWN to earth. Any kingdom man tries to build is not even worthy to be classified as a kingdom in God's realm. Any kingdom man has tried to build has been at best, a travesty.

"We do not go around physically healing blind people like Jesus did"


Jesus spiritually healed blind and sick people. That is what I do too by giving them the New Jerusalem knowledge with the Spirit of God working through me.

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Last Edited by Russell on 11/22/2009 11:44 AM

Yes, I believe that Jesus does heal spirits of men.

I believe that he also heals people physically, according to his will.

However, I have to take issue with your concurrent statement about you "giving people something with the spirit of God working through you." (paraphrasing)

In order to test the genuineness or authenticity of any man's claims......first, hopefully we ask ourselves, "Does this person have authority from God to act on his behalf or represent his Word?"

We can answer that by looking at the word of God and his instructions to people on what is acceptable and what is not according to God's own words. If any man's doctrine, behavior, or choices directly oppose God's Word we can know it can simply be disregarded without hesitation. We do that truth test because hopefully, we trust God first.

If the words do line up, and the person speaking is under God's authority, there is still one more step to determine authenticity......

Second, hopefully we ask ourselves, "Does this person have power from God to act on his behalf or represent his Word?"

We can answer that by looking at the Word of God and what God says about human power. If the focus is on human effort, those of us who take God at his word are able to simply disregarded without hesitation. We can know that this person who may have the first part right (meaning they understand what God's word says) may not have yet been able to make the connection between what God says and ACTUALLY DOING what God says in every day life.

Humans (me included) have a tendency to read something that sounds good and say to themselves, "Oh yeah, I'm doing that" when really we are not.

Words, if true, must line up not only with God's word, but with his character and purpose. The focus is not us, it was never meant to be us. Humans building an earthly kingdom is not God's plan as I see it.

I can't believe that you are giving anybody anything at all. You claim to give people knowledge of the New Jerusalem. I don't see that you are giving anybody knowledge here. There is only one giver of knowledge, and it is not you, and it is not me.

You say, "Listen to my knowledge." I say, listen to God.

This is like dissecting God. Taking away portions of God. Firstly, Jesus is removed as the primary focus in the "Kingdom Now" movement. The focus shifts from Christ to man. IMO, a HUGE and grave error. If you take your eyes off of Christ you will sink like a stone in the ocean.

Secondly, God's everlasting covenant with Israel is abolished and replaced with the Church. Again, IMO, an equally HUGE and grave error. If you truly forsake this part of God's plan you really have to throw away the entire Scripture.

In closing, the most grave error a person can make according to Christ, is to omit Christ. Nothing in this world or life makes any sense apart from him. Noting else will save our eternal soul BUT him.

This OP is under great deception and needs prayer, IMO. Not just for himself but for those who he may come in contact with. God forbid that even one more soul should fall victim to this strange doctrine.

Does anyone need help understanding anything? Or is everyone OK?


NOT a good idea to talk down to the posters here.

coming off as tho we are all your charges to be
clinically analyized is a NO NO...

FWIW



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the Spirit of God working through me.



OMG! a male version os New Age Messiah

you xians need to get a hold on REALITY!



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The problem with you is that your heart is not in the right place. You have just admitted that you are not a giver of knowledge. I have not admitted that so you should listen to me. I work for God.

Nov 9/5

OPie has been here for some time peddling his wares...but as an unregistered poster.

He has just started marketing himself a little better.

Good thing this New Jerusalem system is centered on Jesus.823955 the New Jerusalem is the medicine that you need. You shouldn't teach people that they are weak and powerless.

Nov 9/5

I was just trying to offer help if anyone had problems.

Nov 9/5

Longtime GLPers know me as Spirit of Truth

Nov 9/5

How is it that you can claim to know my heart? Do you deny that what God said is true? God said that he is unquestionably the only one alive in this universe that can measure a man's heart. If you say you know my heart we have a discrepancy with the Word of God right off the bat.

As to your second and third statement above, I do freely admit that I am no giver of knowledge. I am not God. Any knowledge I speak of that was born in my failed flesh, is not knowledge after all. And, I (unlike you) cannot read another man's heart or place my knowledge therein.

But, if the basis for me listening to you is that your claim is to have knowledge I am afraid this is not going to trump the knowledge in God's Word at least for me. I do not see the authority of that knowledge nor do I see the power of that knowledge present in your approach, nor your content.

In other words there is something missing. Christ is missing. That means true divine knowledge is missing and what is left, is best placed in the trash bin.

Sorry, no sale.

Since you keep admitting that you are not a giver of knowledge, just accept that. Don't tell others that they aren't though because I AM.

Nov 9/5

Well, first, I don't see myself teaching.

I consider myself as a student when it comes to matters of Christ.

People are all weak and powerless apart from Christ. Those are not my words or my personal revelation. They are the words of Jesus. If you have issue with accepting of your failed and sin nature which causes you as a human being to be weak and powerless of your own efforts, you will have to take up your disagreement to Christ, not me. In other words, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Yeppers, that is the name. Sorry I didn't commit it to memory.

"Since you keep admitting that you are not a giver of knowledge, just accept that."

I do accept that. Have you not yet determined this from my previously clear and concise responses regarding this matter? Hello?

"Don't tell others that they aren't though because I AM."

I am telling you this: God is the sole giver of all knowledge.

Now, you can certainly deduce from that statement that I am essentially saying to you "You are not a giver of knowledge because there is only one giver of knowledge, and that is God. I can be assured that you are not God, therefore you are not a giver of knowledge. Further, based on what God has said and your numerous and direct contradictions of such, you are misrepresenting God. therefore my conclusion on your cult is that any knowledge you claim to have did not originate from God and should be dismissed as heresy."

But, why slice hairs?

Truth?

Am I missing something?

I think not!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Well since I am with Jesus Christ that is why the New Jerusalem system is so powerful

Nov 9/5

I know so

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