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Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension

 
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Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
By Fadi Eyadat, Haaretz Correspondent


Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Tuesday warned Lebanon that it, not Hezbollah, would be the target of retaliatory attacks should the militant group escalate tension along Israel's northern border.

"Lebanon grants Hezbollah permission to operate on its soil," said Barak. "We must clarify for the international community that we do not accept that a militia like Hezbollah exists in Lebanon, a sovereign country, and even sits in its parliament."

Barak added that it holds Lebanon responsible for any conflict with Hezbollah. "Hezbollah is not our target," in such a case, said Barak. "Our target will be the state of Lebanon."

Barak made his comments at a meeting with regional leaders in the north, where he stressed that he holds the Lebanese government responsible for any conflict along the border with Lebanon.

The defense minister added that Israel's deterrence power will last some time.

Barak also addressed peace talks with the Palestinians, saying that a two-state solution is the best formula for resolving the conflict, but stressed that a regional peace involving Syria is of utmost importance to Israel.

Earlier this month, Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi said Hezbollah guerrillas now possess tens of thousands of rockets, some capable of reaching up to 300 kilometers within Israel.

These capabilities would put Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, as well cities much further south, into rocket range.

"There is a war in the Middle East between two camps, the extreme and the moderate, which is pushing Iran to take radical steps. Without Iran's support to finance weapons and terror groups they would be lacking the means available to them today," said Ashkenazi.

Israel, the United Nations and Hezbollah itself have all said that the militia is stronger today than it was during the Second Lebanon War between Israel and Hezbollah in 2006.

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Yes, I forgot about this. It's that time again. Get those rockets flying!
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ratchet up that tension
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
So by saying this, Israel opens the door to take over land.

Just you watch, if another war breaks out, they'll annex more territory...up to the Litani River probably.
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I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran.
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I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran.
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I agree, but it also implies that they aren't happy with Lebanon generally.
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I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran.
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Exactly..
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I think I saw this movie before. Is it a re-run or a new remake of the old one from a year or two ago?
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I think I saw this movie before. Is it a re-run or a new remake of the old one from a year or two ago?
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Not to worry..the UN is in Lebanon to make sure there are no probs...what could go wrong?
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I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran.


I agree, but it also implies that they aren't happy with Lebanon generally.
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It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets.
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So by saying this, Israel opens the door to take over land.

Just you watch, if another war breaks out, they'll annex more territory...up to the Litani River probably.
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Water rights grab. Israel is thinking longer term and providing adequate provisions to the new West Bank settlements.
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I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran.
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It's good to be clear ~ front door, back door and all the windows are being watched and guarded. In this case, God help the would-be burglar, because Israel won't.

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I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran.
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kitty Yeah Lebanon cannot be allowed to get away with that. In addition it is a major invasion route into Northern Israel. I say (not wishing it, just stating a fact) that I think it will go nuclear very quickly.

Stock up NOW folks, you really need to slash the entertainment budget to nearly zero and stock up on basics. YOU WILL BITTERLY REGRET IT IF TOU DON'T.
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I think I saw this movie before. Is it a re-run or a new remake of the old one from a year or two ago?
 Quoting: PACNWguy


If it is as contained this would be good, but I think the plot will thicken.
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
Isn't this exactly the sort of thing the Nazis used to do?

Threaten and take revenge against innocent people for things that the resistance did to them?

Bydgoszcz People Killed in Nazi Reprisals
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The Liquidation of Lidice
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Nazi reprisals against Serbs after German occupation of Yugoslavia
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


Well yeah, but I think it also implies that they will take any Hezbollah action as being done by the state of Lebanon.
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It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets.


Well yeah, but I think it also implies that they will take any Hezbollah action as being done by the state of Lebanon.
 Quoting: lime flavoured


Absolutely and this has complications for Syria also.
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I take it the destruction of Lebanon in 2006 was not very successful then, with respect to the stated objectives of that campaign.

In what ways would a new campaign against Lebanon make any difference more than further hardening the the already hardened resistance from previous failed missions, making peace even more difficult to obtain?

What could be a possible *other* rationale that fits this pattern?

Excuse me for the leading questions...

/L
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I take it the destruction of Lebanon in 2006 was not very successful then, with respect to the stated objectives of that campaign.

In what ways would a new campaign against Lebanon make any difference more than further hardening the the already hardened resistance from previous failed missions, making peace even more difficult to obtain?

What could be a possible *other* rationale that fits this pattern?

Excuse me for the leading questions...

/L
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I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence.
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I take it the destruction of Lebanon in 2006 was not very successful then, with respect to the stated objectives of that campaign.

In what ways would a new campaign against Lebanon make any difference more than further hardening the the already hardened resistance from previous failed missions, making peace even more difficult to obtain?

What could be a possible *other* rationale that fits this pattern?

Excuse me for the leading questions...

/L


I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum?

Always interesting to know.

/L
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I might add that we are receiving *lots* of people still from Lebanon in my country "up North" that are seeking a place to start new lives.

So I am, and we are, very much a stakeholder in the ME debacle.

/L
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets.


Well yeah, but I think it also implies that they will take any Hezbollah action as being done by the state of Lebanon.


Absolutely and this has complications for Syria also.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


Syria does not, and has never, had anything to hide behind. They know the consequences of their actions. Lebanon on the other hand - has been hiding behind the implied "uninvited guests" status of Hizballah. Israel is simply announcing to the world that that status no longer applies. Hizballah has been allowed to join the government - Nasrallah is Lebanon's ugly little baby now..
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence.


Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum?

Always interesting to know.

/L
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I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario.

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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence.


Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum?

Always interesting to know.

/L


I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario.
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Ok I misunderstood what you meant by the "Northern front" then. Sorry.

/L
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I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence.


Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum?

Always interesting to know.

/L


I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario.


Ok I misunderstood what you meant by the "Northern front" then. Sorry.

/L
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This would be from the Israeli perspective which serves as the foundation of the subject line.
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Is all of this potential conflict brewing right around the Valley of Meggi-do?
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Is all of this potential conflict brewing right around the Valley of Meggi-do?
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I believe that Israeli tanks would pass through this area if dispatched, but a direct war there would be taking place within Israeli territory and not Lebanese. That scenario would require something more than Lebanon or Hezbollah have to offer.
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Re: Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension
I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence.


Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum?

Always interesting to know.

/L


I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario.


Ok I misunderstood what you meant by the "Northern front" then. Sorry.

/L


This would be from the Israeli perspective which serves as the foundation of the subject line.
 Quoting: D. Bunker



Yes I understand perfectly. Always had difficulties to confine my thinking to local geography of the focus point, to focus only on the immediate neighborhood "on the map".

You see, ME issues have severe consequences also far more "up North" and hence I see no reason whatsoever to adopt a silent position on how things develop. I misinterpreted you here as I said.

Just to emphasize my position, countries like Sweden have an *enormous* interest in seeing a lasting peace in this region. Look up immigration statistics from these regions if you like, compare to the US etc.

/L
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Is all of this potential conflict brewing right around the Valley of Meggi-do?


I believe that Israeli tanks would pass through this area if dispatched, but a direct war there would be taking place within Israeli territory and not Lebanese. That scenario would require something more than Lebanon or Hezbollah have to offer.
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isn't China digging copper in Afghanistan even as we type?
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isn't China digging copper in Afghanistan even as we type?
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China does indeed have an interest in copper within Afghanistan.
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