Barak: Israel to target Lebanon if Hezbollah escalates tension | |
Iddo The Prophet User ID: 826333 United States 11/24/2009 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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KunG Fu GriP User ID: 564123 United Kingdom 11/24/2009 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ratchet up that tension 'Your best shot at happiness, self-worth and personal satisfaction - the things that constitute real success - is not in earning as much as you can but in preforming as well as you can something you consider worthwhile. Whether that is healing the sick, giving hope to the hopeless, adding to the beauty of the world or saving it from a nuclear holocaust...' William Raspberry. |
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D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
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mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 11/24/2009 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran. Quoting: D. BunkerExactly.. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 11/24/2009 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think I saw this movie before. Is it a re-run or a new remake of the old one from a year or two ago? Quoting: PACNWguyNot to worry..the UN is in Lebanon to make sure there are no probs...what could go wrong? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran. Quoting: lime flavouredI agree, but it also implies that they aren't happy with Lebanon generally. It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826369 United States 11/24/2009 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So by saying this, Israel opens the door to take over land. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 826403Just you watch, if another war breaks out, they'll annex more territory...up to the Litani River probably. Water rights grab. Israel is thinking longer term and providing adequate provisions to the new West Bank settlements. |
DaJavoo User ID: 825257 United States 11/24/2009 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran. Quoting: D. BunkerIt's good to be clear ~ front door, back door and all the windows are being watched and guarded. In this case, God help the would-be burglar, because Israel won't. :DJrebelli: |
9teen.47™ User ID: 826239 United Kingdom 11/24/2009 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the message is directed to the risk of allowing Hezbollah to act as a proxy in a broader conflict involving Iran. Quoting: D. BunkerYeah Lebanon cannot be allowed to get away with that. In addition it is a major invasion route into Northern Israel. I say (not wishing it, just stating a fact) that I think it will go nuclear very quickly. Stock up NOW folks, you really need to slash the entertainment budget to nearly zero and stock up on basics. YOU WILL BITTERLY REGRET IT IF TOU DON'T. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think I saw this movie before. Is it a re-run or a new remake of the old one from a year or two ago? Quoting: PACNWguyIf it is as contained this would be good, but I think the plot will thicken. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826440 United States 11/24/2009 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Threaten and take revenge against innocent people for things that the resistance did to them? Bydgoszcz People Killed in Nazi Reprisals December 11-14, 1943 [link to www.rootsweb.ancestry.com] The Liquidation of Lidice [link to www.historyplace.com] Nazi reprisals against Serbs after German occupation of Yugoslavia [link to www.poetv.com] The only difference is the colors of their armbands. |
lime flavoured User ID: 826071 United Kingdom 11/24/2009 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets. Quoting: D. BunkerWell yeah, but I think it also implies that they will take any Hezbollah action as being done by the state of Lebanon. |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets. Quoting: lime flavouredWell yeah, but I think it also implies that they will take any Hezbollah action as being done by the state of Lebanon. Absolutely and this has complications for Syria also. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Leo**** User ID: 823398 Sweden 11/24/2009 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I take it the destruction of Lebanon in 2006 was not very successful then, with respect to the stated objectives of that campaign. In what ways would a new campaign against Lebanon make any difference more than further hardening the the already hardened resistance from previous failed missions, making peace even more difficult to obtain? What could be a possible *other* rationale that fits this pattern? Excuse me for the leading questions... /L |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I take it the destruction of Lebanon in 2006 was not very successful then, with respect to the stated objectives of that campaign. Quoting: Leo**** 823398In what ways would a new campaign against Lebanon make any difference more than further hardening the the already hardened resistance from previous failed missions, making peace even more difficult to obtain? What could be a possible *other* rationale that fits this pattern? Excuse me for the leading questions... /L I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Leo**** User ID: 823398 Sweden 11/24/2009 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I take it the destruction of Lebanon in 2006 was not very successful then, with respect to the stated objectives of that campaign. Quoting: D. BunkerIn what ways would a new campaign against Lebanon make any difference more than further hardening the the already hardened resistance from previous failed missions, making peace even more difficult to obtain? What could be a possible *other* rationale that fits this pattern? Excuse me for the leading questions... /L I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence. Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum? Always interesting to know. /L |
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Grizzled Old Goat User ID: 778151 Canada 11/24/2009 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is primarily the decision to include Hezbollah within the government that does not set well. Any counter attack intended to create further complexity in an exchange with Iran will incur escalation on the state of Lebanon as opposed to Hezbollah targets. Quoting: D. BunkerWell yeah, but I think it also implies that they will take any Hezbollah action as being done by the state of Lebanon. Absolutely and this has complications for Syria also. Syria does not, and has never, had anything to hide behind. They know the consequences of their actions. Lebanon on the other hand - has been hiding behind the implied "uninvited guests" status of Hizballah. Israel is simply announcing to the world that that status no longer applies. Hizballah has been allowed to join the government - Nasrallah is Lebanon's ugly little baby now.. . |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence. Quoting: Leo**** 823398Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum? Always interesting to know. /L I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario. Last Edited by D. Bunker on 11/24/2009 08:38 PM :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Leo**** User ID: 823398 Sweden 11/24/2009 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence. Quoting: D. BunkerPreferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum? Always interesting to know. /L I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario. Ok I misunderstood what you meant by the "Northern front" then. Sorry. /L |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence. Quoting: Leo**** 823398Preferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum? Always interesting to know. /L I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario. Ok I misunderstood what you meant by the "Northern front" then. Sorry. /L This would be from the Israeli perspective which serves as the foundation of the subject line. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
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D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is all of this potential conflict brewing right around the Valley of Meggi-do? Quoting: FreethinkerI believe that Israeli tanks would pass through this area if dispatched, but a direct war there would be taking place within Israeli territory and not Lebanese. That scenario would require something more than Lebanon or Hezbollah have to offer. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Leo**** User ID: 823398 Sweden 11/24/2009 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the preferable is the Northern front remains quiet. The rationale is deterrence. Quoting: D. BunkerPreferable to you personally or are you speaking for a larger stakeholder group that you would like to disclose and name at this forum? Always interesting to know. /L I think preferable to the West, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. I am unsure who would benefit from such escalation other than Iran in the given scenario. Ok I misunderstood what you meant by the "Northern front" then. Sorry. /L This would be from the Israeli perspective which serves as the foundation of the subject line. Yes I understand perfectly. Always had difficulties to confine my thinking to local geography of the focus point, to focus only on the immediate neighborhood "on the map". You see, ME issues have severe consequences also far more "up North" and hence I see no reason whatsoever to adopt a silent position on how things develop. I misinterpreted you here as I said. Just to emphasize my position, countries like Sweden have an *enormous* interest in seeing a lasting peace in this region. Look up immigration statistics from these regions if you like, compare to the US etc. /L |
Freethinker User ID: 826469 United States 11/24/2009 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is all of this potential conflict brewing right around the Valley of Meggi-do? Quoting: D. BunkerI believe that Israeli tanks would pass through this area if dispatched, but a direct war there would be taking place within Israeli territory and not Lebanese. That scenario would require something more than Lebanon or Hezbollah have to offer. isn't China digging copper in Afghanistan even as we type? all authority is given to me |
D. Bunker (OP) 11/24/2009 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | isn't China digging copper in Afghanistan even as we type? Quoting: FreethinkerChina does indeed have an interest in copper within Afghanistan. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |