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Anonymous Coward User ID: 828258 United Kingdom 12/01/2009 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for why is it that the warming that has been experienced is almost equal to the adjustments made in the data? Why is it that weather station dropouts are occuring at an alarming pace and often only leaving urban stations which are shown to have an quite embarrasing bias due to uhi? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 831349 United States 12/01/2009 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Does the public understand how scientists go about resolving differences of opinion or reaching consensus about an important question when the uncertainties are large? Yeah. First they call anyone who disagrees with them stupid names, then they say that XYZ is paying them off, and when that doesn't work, they try to get them fired. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 825069 United States 12/01/2009 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for The major problem with warming is that ALL RECENT DATA SUGGESTS THE BRIEF WARMING TREND OF THE 1990'S IS OVER and that MAN HAD LITTLE TO NO IMPACT whereas SUN ACTIVITY DID. Jesus fucking Christ how long can you people try to defend shitty "science." |
ANNONYMOUS User ID: 825313 United States 12/01/2009 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for This article is a scream. "WARRANTABLE KNOWLEDGE" means here today gone tomorrow. Science has gained wide spread acceptance precisely because it did not indulge in practices like this. These two reporters have obviously been in the credit card koolaid, 5% today 30% tomorrow. What they are advocating is nothing more than speculative theory being accepted as solid science and that is bullshit pure and simple. |
Revbo User ID: 538751 United States 12/01/2009 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Let the games begin again. Come on, fellow "energy industry lobbyists." Let's see if we can keep the 1 stars higher than the posts this time. Don't let me down. Last Edited by Revbo on 12/01/2009 03:50 PM TANSTAAFL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 424872 United States 12/01/2009 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Let the games begin again. Come on, fellow "energy industry lobbyists." Let's see if we can keep the 1 stars higher than the posts this time. Don't let me down. Quoting: RevboUmm, okay if we're supposed to be "energy industry lobbyists" does that make you a "carbon tax lobbyist"? |
Matrix User ID: 831373 Australia 12/01/2009 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Sure if you cut down enough trees, and over fish the oceans imbalances are going to occur, but saying that C02 is like a poison and so we need to drastically cut its introduction into the air is just going too far. Do you realize how much our world depends on carbon based energy OP? While we in the west are going to cut back, those in the east are going to expand, is that what you want, those who have no concept of human rights and regard for the planet are going to become the dominant force, while we in the west who believe in the right to voice your opinions are going to be forced into the dark ages? I would be all for, if we could live the lifestyles we now live with the condition of planting of just as many trees to cover the burning of carbon as a offset, and stopped the over fishing and the dumping toxic waste into the oceans, but what this climate change religion proposes is going to make sweeping changes which will cost us jobs, its going to give power to a unelected body to impose taxes and regulations over many forms of economic activity, its going to cause the corporations to pass on their costs, so that we pay more to get less. Freedom and democracy is going to be first taxed and then done away with, if this goes ahead, this will drive the western world into a feudalistic system and the eastern world into slave masters paradise, where the rich will be able to afford to pollute, the middle class will no longer exist, and the ranks of the poor will swell to pay the price, of this global redistribution of wealth. |
Revbo User ID: 538751 United States 12/01/2009 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for for more disapproval from the GLP family. Witness, you're full of crap and your "scientists" are all liars. 9 votes for an average of 1 star. Nobody believes the environmentalists anymore except people in a position to benefit from it financially, and they don't really believe it. This is a forum of regular people, not shills, and we're not buying it. TANSTAAFL |
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Revbo User ID: 538751 United States 12/01/2009 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Let the games begin again. Come on, fellow "energy industry lobbyists." Let's see if we can keep the 1 stars higher than the posts this time. Don't let me down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 424872Umm, okay if we're supposed to be "energy industry lobbyists" does that make you a "carbon tax lobbyist"? That was sarcasm. Witness implies that anyone who disagrees with him is either employed or duped by the energy industry, so all the 1 stars must be energy industry lobbyists. Haha. Last Edited by Revbo on 12/01/2009 04:01 PM TANSTAAFL |
Fhirinne User ID: 623339 United Kingdom 12/01/2009 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for anything that used to be science has been washed away, anything that may have once been pure is now utter Bs and its about carbon taxing our asses back into the stone age, its about money not science.. so STFU You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 424872 United States 12/01/2009 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Let the games begin again. Come on, fellow "energy industry lobbyists." Let's see if we can keep the 1 stars higher than the posts this time. Don't let me down. Quoting: RevboUmm, okay if we're supposed to be "energy industry lobbyists" does that make you a "carbon tax lobbyist"? That was sarcasm. Witness implies that anyone who disagrees with him is either employed or duped by the energy industry, so all the 1 stars must be energy industry lobbyists. Haha. ah ok, i misunderstood. sorry |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 263458 Australia 12/06/2009 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for With so many deniers falling victim to the energy lobby's attempts to undermine the science and all the evidence of global warming... Quoting: Witness_Hi Witness_, did you know that the Climate Research Unit (CRU) is funded by the "energy lobby"? If the scientists that are pushing the manmade global warming theory are funded by the energy lobby, doesn't that discredit them in your eyes? [link to www.cru.uea.ac.uk] Acknowledgements This list is not fully exhaustive, but we would like to acknowledge the support of the following funders (in alphabetical order): British Council, British Petroleum, Broom's Barn Sugar Beet Research Centre, Central Electricity Generating Board, Centre for Environment, Fisheries and Aquaculture Science (CEFAS), Commercial Union, Commission of European Communities (CEC, often referred to now as EU), Council for the Central Laboratory of the Research Councils (CCLRC), Department of Energy, Department of the Environment (DETR, now DEFRA), Department of Health, Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), Eastern Electricity, Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC), Environment Agency, Forestry Commission, Greenpeace International, International Institute of Environmental Development (IIED), Irish Electricity Supply Board, KFA Germany, Leverhulme Trust, Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF), National Power, National Rivers Authority, Natural Environmental Research Council (NERC), Norwich Union, Nuclear Installations Inspectorate, Overseas Development Administration (ODA), Reinsurance Underwriters and Syndicates, Royal Society, Scientific Consultants, Science and Engineering Research Council (SERC), Scottish and Northern Ireland Forum for Environmental Research, Shell, Stockholm Environment Agency, Sultanate of Oman, Tate and Lyle, UK Met. Office, UK Nirex Ltd., United Nations Environment Plan (UNEP), United States Department of Energy, United States Environmental Protection Agency, Wolfson Foundation and the World Wildlife Fund for Nature (WWF). --- Now, did you want to say something about the energy industry funding dodgy scientists to do dodgy science? [link to www.cru.uea.ac.uk] |
Smilin' Irish Eyes User ID: 656642 United States 12/06/2009 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Does the public understand how scientists go about resolving differences of opinion or reaching consensus about an important question when the uncertainties are large? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 831349Yeah. First they call anyone who disagrees with them stupid names, then they say that XYZ is paying them off, and when that doesn't work, they try to get them fired. Agreed. Seriously Witness how can you even defend these people? True scientists work together and acknowledge what works and what doesn't work. Science should be purely empirical not subjective. Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool. -- Lord Chesterfield |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 833769 Canada 12/06/2009 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for OP is blinded by the MSM, clearly. "Global Warming" is/was a hoax to implement a new tax, the Carbon Tax, on the people. "Climate change" IS real, but is a naturally occurring phenomenon that comes in cycles. Certainly geenhouse gases, co2, etc... don't help the matter, but they also don't make it any worse. And let's not forget that the US gov and other governments can now manipulate the weather to their liking, be it warm and sunny or disastrous. "Global Warming's" only purpose was to implement a new tax on already over taxed people. |
Yes We Will See Truth User ID: 835125 United Kingdom 12/06/2009 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for We are polluting the planet yes, and carbon dioxide is NOT the cause. The Earth is changing and it is the SUNS activity that affects the warming/cooling of this planet. The Petrochemical Industry and our methods of waste disposal (poisons not CO2)) are choking the Earth. The sucking of oil and gas from the earth's crust/mantle is destabilizing tectonic plates and causing earthquakes and volcanic eruption. Our weather is being tampered with (chemtrails and Tesla weather modification), Wars, mass murder and suffering pollutes the vibration of our blue/green planet. Carbon Taxes are a criminal invention to make profit and AGW (Anthropic Global Warming) is the Trojan Horse to birth the NWO. The suppression of new energy technology is choking the Earth and humanity, we should have moved on years ago from oil and coal. The issues that everyone is arguing about miss the point. Global warming/cooling is NOT man made it is affected by the Sun's bio rhythm. The poisoning and raping of the Earth IS man made, and the Earth is reacting. Both facts are creating Climate chaos. Solution: We must stop using current energy technology and disclose the hidden knowledge of alternative energy sources. Disclosure of the existence of benevolent Extra Terrestrial life would force this issue into the open. If you say there are no alternatives other than ugly wind turbines (and only the 3rd Dimension exists) then you have been lazy in your research. What you might find out may require you to open your mind a little. for starters there is a furnace burning at the centre of the earth... thermal energy anyone? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 263458 Australia 12/06/2009 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Everybody knows that there were ice ages in the past. Nobody knows why the ice ages started, or why they finished. It should be obvious to anybody who thinks about it, that if the planet has ice ages, it must also have something which is not an ice age. Let's call that something a 'warm age'. Since there was an ice age in the recent past, clearly we would expect the planet's temperature to rise when it is moving towards a 'warm age'. The global warmers want us to cut all our carbon dioxide emissions. They say this will stop the planet from warming up. Suppose the planet is warming up due to the unknown factor which changes the planet from ice age to warm age. This is a reasonable assumption. In this case, cutting carbon dioxide emissions will do nothing to stop the planet warming up. People would be paying carbon tax on everything, everybody would be poorer, and for nothing. The planet would still warm up. It is entirely natural for the planet to warm up as it changes from an ice age to a warm age. Cutting carbon dioxide emissions will not stop the planet from warming up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835138 Canada 12/06/2009 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Does the public understand how scientists go about resolving differences of opinion or reaching consensus about an important question when the uncertainties are large? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 831349Yeah. First they call anyone who disagrees with them stupid names, then they say that XYZ is paying them off, and when that doesn't work, they try to get them fired. Yes this is exactly what they do. Scientists try to pretend that they are disinterest and objective, but above all else they are human beings with all of the greed, selfish interest and twisted emotions that are shared by all people to one extent or another. When they have vested interest, they are not objective observers, but pushers of their own preconceived notions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835182 United States 12/06/2009 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Poor Goldman Sachs! If you damn Jew hating Global Warming Holocaust Deniers have your way, the poor dears won't even be able to feed their families! Goldman Sachs Sells $12M in Carbon Offsets in Largest Such U.S. Deal So Far [link to www.environmentalleader.com] |
Witness_ (OP) User ID: 735641 United Kingdom 12/12/2009 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Wheeeee!!!!! See all the energy lobbyists here posting spam and giving 1 star votes! Wow! Trin, I hope that you are making some money from these pricks in form of membership fees! Bleed the lobby coffers of their money I say! Not that the money will run out, it's more or less bottomless. This is a straight fight between the good guys and the energy lobby now. |
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jkm1864 User ID: 677754 United States 12/12/2009 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The truth about "climategate", why people are duped by the energy lobby conspiracy and how to educate deniers about science and the need for Seriously You are a fucking idiot. If it was about saving the planet it wouldn't tax us to death. How on earth are people going to lower their carbon foot print with more taxes? Could I buy solar pannels for my house or an electric car? I don't think so! The majority of people are struggling now and can not take on more debt. The only thing this crap is about is control and to tax the peasants. If they really cared about the environment We would change our ways. They would pass laws banning plastics and using glass, metal, & fiber instead. We would also start building more electric cars... We could also get rid of the dreaded taxes and make a 33% consumption tax and put exclusions on solar, wind, & electric vehicles.... So hopefully You can see but then again You are probably a stupid demoncrap that can't even have one logical though since emotions rule Your life. |
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