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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Warmers get this 1. Climates always change 2. Temperatures are not rising 3. Sea levels are not rising 4. There is no "greenhouse effect" So focus on real pressing issues not CO2 patent nonsense. Note also that your gods, whoops sorry, statisticians cooked the books, hid the data and violently suppressed truth. A really nice bunch of caring moral persons |
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mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 12/07/2009 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the sea level is rising. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815916But of course you do! The expert in the OP has no chance to show you otherwise because Al Gore and the MSM tell you diff. So its really not your fault...baa baa For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 729139 Australia 12/07/2009 02:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the sea level is rising. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815916Based on anything other than tea leaf reading? It's dipshits like yourself that's fucking it up for the rest of us,and personally I resent it,because you can only believe in the warming cult if you are ignorant of the basics of science.....which means you were the twit in class who spent most of the time staring out the window,and when you'd bother to bring your attention back to the classroom it would immediately make you want to do something disruptive. What pisses me off even more is that your vote is worth the same as mine. Democracy....what a crock |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 815916 United States 12/07/2009 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the sea level is rising. Quoting: mathetesBut of course you do! The expert in the OP has no chance to show you otherwise because Al Gore and the MSM tell you diff. So its really not your fault...baa baa You people aren't looking and it's very easy to pull the wool over your eyes. The LIE is that global warming is manmade. The air temps. haven't increased; it's the earth's temperature that has. The ice caps are melting and sea levels rising. There is so much misinformation out there, it's hard to know what to believe, but what causes smoldering volcanoes? It's not your fault you believe everything you read. Baa! [link to www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 815916 United States 12/07/2009 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the sea level is rising. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 729139Based on anything other than tea leaf reading? It's dipshits like yourself that's fucking it up for the rest of us,and personally I resent it,because you can only believe in the warming cult if you are ignorant of the basics of science.....which means you were the twit in class who spent most of the time staring out the window,and when you'd bother to bring your attention back to the classroom it would immediately make you want to do something disruptive. What pisses me off even more is that your vote is worth the same as mine. Democracy....what a crock I'm sure I've done way more research than you'll do in your lifetime...dipshit. I laugh at you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 263458 Australia 12/07/2009 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You people aren't looking and it's very easy to pull the wool over your eyes. The LIE is that global warming is manmade. The air temps. haven't increased; it's the earth's temperature that has. The ice caps are melting and sea levels rising. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815916How much would you say the sea level has risen? Anybody live near the sea who is willing to try to confirm this sea level rise? Can large ships get into ports they couldn't get into before, or hasn't the sea level gone up that much? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe the sea level is rising. Classic case of denial and human hate (its our fault). Has it spelled out for him, deep 50 year science and says I believe................. bugger the facts bugger the science Any yes its idiots like you, millions of them that go gaga with Al fraud Gore and make it difficult if not impossible to that which is really needed to be done. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 02:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are a large group of Coral Islands off the South Waest coast of India in the Arabian Sea. At most six feet above sea level. They are most at risk from any sea level rise, as are most coral islands. They have a population of about 300,000 Fact is sea level is falling there, as the professor said. |
Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States 12/07/2009 02:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where is there ANY proof of any rising sea level anywhere? I mean factual evidence, not just what "might" happen some day but rising in progress? Agree with the poster that says the Gulf of Mexico, the only sea level I have access to easily is not rising at all. Decades old docks and wharfs at the same level as always. Ice melts in some regions and is growing in others just as it usually does. I posted a thread this morning about how in 1974 the government was telling us there was an ice age approaching and for certain as temps had been in a decline for three decades. Now we are told suddenly that those three decades never happened? And the last one has also been cooling. Govt needs to keep its lies straight if they expect to be taken seriously. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835192 United States 12/07/2009 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what about the Maldives?..or are they sinking? Quoting: RememberThisAccording to what I've read, sea levels supposedly rose gradually for about a century there, then starting around 1970, the ea level has dropped nearly 50% more than it rose in the previous century. Sounds like a shifting tectonic plate to me, as I've not heard of those kind of dramatic shifts anywhere else. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is the full paper. Read it before you spout nonsense such as "I believe" [link to www.climatechangefacts.info] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exposure of good climate science, a classic oxymoron that "Another way of looking at what is going on is the tide gauge. Tide gauging is very complicated, because it gives different answers for wherever you are in the world. But we have to rely on geology when we interpret it. So, for example, those people in the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six tide gauges, and they choose the record of one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level. Every geologist knows that that is a subsiding area. It’s the compaction of sediment; it is the only record which you shouldn’t use. And if that figure is correct, then Holland would not be subsiding, it would be uplifting. And that is just ridiculous. Not even ignorance could be responsible for a thing like that. So tide gauges, you have to treat very, very carefully." So they select their data just as the e-mails admitted |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mörner: I’ll tell you another thing: When I came to the Maldives, to our enormous surprise, one morning we were on an island, and I said, “This is something strange, the storm level has gone down; it has not gone up, it has gone down.” And then I started to check the level all around, and I asked the others in the group, “Do you see anything here on the beach?” And after awhile they found it too. And we had investigated, and we were sure, I said we cannot leave the Maldives and go home and say the sea level is not rising, it’s not respectful to the people. I have to say it to Maldive television. So we made a very nice program for Maldive television, but it was forbidden by the government! Because they thought that they would lose money. They accuse the West for putting out carbon dioxide, and therefore we have to pay for our damage and the flooding. So they wanted the flooding scenario to go on. This tree, which I showed in the documentary, is interesting. This is a prison island, and when people left the island, from the ’50s, it was a marker for them, when they saw this tree alone out there, they said, “Ah, freedom!” They were allowed back. And there have been writings and talks about this. I knew that this tree was in that terrible position already in the 1950s. So the slightest rise, and it would have been gone. I used it in my writings and for television. You know what happened? There came an Australian sea-level team, which was for the IPCC and against me. Then the students pulled down the tree by hand! They destroyed the evidence. What kind of people are those? And we came to launch this film, “Doomsday Called Off,” right after, and the tree was still green. And I heard from the locals that they had seen the people who had pulled it down. So I put it up again, by hand, and made my TV program. I haven’t told anybody else, but this was the story. They call themselves scientists, and they’re destroying evidence! A scientist should always be open for reinterpretation, but you can never destroy evidence. And they were being watched, thinking they were clever. Unbelievable, yet again they destroy evidence that falsifies their religion. |
Your Friend User ID: 804722 United States 12/07/2009 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take a plastic bottle of water and freeze it, watch the ice stretch the bottle as it expands.... Thaw it out again, it takes less space in liquid form.... If ice was melting the sea level should drop. Test this by putting ice cubes in a glass, note the water level and let it thaw and compare. They really think we're stupid. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 263458 Australia 12/07/2009 05:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take a plastic bottle of water and freeze it, watch the ice stretch the bottle as it expands.... Quoting: Your Friend 804722Thaw it out again, it takes less space in liquid form.... If ice was melting the sea level should drop. Test this by putting ice cubes in a glass, note the water level and let it thaw and compare. They really think we're stupid. Have you heard that when ice floats, part of the ice sticks out the top of the water, and the rest is underwater? That's why the water level doesn't drop when ice cubes melt in a glass. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MÖRNER, Nils-Axel, Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm Univ, Stockholm S-10691 Sweden, [email protected]. The Maldives have a uniquely position in sea level research (as discussed in Integrated Coastal Zone Management, No. 1, 2000, p. 17-20). In the last decade, they have attracted special attention because, in the IPCC-scenario, the Maldives would be condemned to become flooded in the next 50-100 years. Our research data do not lend support to any such flooding scenario, however. On the contrary, we find no signs of any on-going sea level rise. Our results comes from visits to numerous islands including extensive work on Hulhudoo and Guidhoo in the north, in Viligili and Loshfuchi (the site of “the reef woman”) in the middle, and in Addu in the south. This includes coring, levelling, sampling and dating (35 C14-dates). Present sea level was reached at about 4500 BP. In the last 4000 years, sea level oscillated around the present in the last 4000 years. At 3900 BP, there was a short and sharp sea level high-stand at about +1.2 m. For the last millennium, a detailed sea level record is established: +0 m 1000-800 BP, +60 cm 800-300 BP, 0 to just below 0 in the 18th century AD, +30 cm 1790-1970 AD, fall to 0 in ~1970 up to today. At about 1970, sea level fell by 20-30 cm (presumably due to increased evaporation). This is recorded in storm level, high-tide level, mean sea level and in lake and lagoon levels (from the north to the south). In the last decade, there are no signs of any rise in sea level. Hence, we are able to free the islands from the condemnation to become flooded in the 21st century. Co-authored with the Maldives Project Team Members. XVI INQUA Congress General Information for this Meeting |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 05:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Abstract Novel prospects for the Maldives do not include a condemnation to future flooding. The people of the Maldives have, in the past, survived a higher sea level of about 50–60 cm. The present trend lack signs of a sea level rise. On the contrary, there is firm morphological evidence of a significant sea level fall in the last 30 years. This sea level fall is likely to be the effect of increased evaporation and an intensification of the NE-monsoon over the central Indian Ocean. D 2003 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved. Keywords: Sea level changes; The Maldives; Indian Ocean; Prediction; No flooding; Evaporation |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835343 Malaysia 12/07/2009 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Open Letter October 20, 2009 To: President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives From: Nils-Axel Mörner, Stockholm, Sweden Mr. President, You have recently held an undersea Cabinet meeting to raise awareness of the idea that global sea level is rising and hence threatens to drown the Maldives. This proposition is not founded in observational facts and true scientific judgments. Therefore, I am most surprised at your action and must protest its intended message. In 2001, when our research group found overwhelming evidence that sea level was by no means in a rising mode in the Maldives, but had remained quite stable for the last 30 years, I thought it would not be respectful to the fine people of the Maldives if I were to return home and present our results in international fora. Therefore, I announced this happy news during an interview for your local TV station. However, your predecessor as president censored and stopped the broadcast. When you became president, I was hoping both for democracy and for dialogue. However, I have written to you twice without reply. Your people ought not to have to suffer a constant claim that there is no future for them on their own islands. This terrible message is deeply inappropriate, since it is founded not upon reality but upon an imported concept, which lacks scientific justification and is thus untenable. There is simply no rational basis for it. Let me summarize a few facts. (1) In the last 2000 years, sea level has oscillated with 5 peaks reaching 0.6 to 1.2 m above the present sea level. (2) From 1790 to 1970 sea level was about 20 cm higher than today (3) In the 1970s, sea level fell by about 20 cm to its present level (4) Sea level has remained stable for the last 30 years, implying that there are no traces of any alarming on-going sea level rise. (5) Therefore, we are able to free the Maldives (and the rest of low-lying coasts and island around the globe) from the condemnation of becoming flooded in the near future. When I was president for the INQUA commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, we spent much effort on the question of present-to-future sea level changes. After intensive field studies, deliberation within the commission and discussions at five international meetings, we agreed on a “best estimate” for possible sea level changes by the year 2100. Our figure was +10 cm ±10 cm. This figure was later revised at +5 cm ±15cm (as given in Fig. 1). Such changes would imply small to negligible effects. Such a small rise would pose no threat for the Maldives. Rather, it would be a natural return to the conditions existing from 1790 to 1970; i.e. to the position before the sea level fall in the 1970s. So, Mr. President, when you ignore available observational facts, refuse a normal democratic dialogue, and continue to menace your people with the imaginary threat of a disastrous flooding already in progress, I think you are doing a serious mistake. Let us, for Heaven’s sake, lift the terrible psychological burden that you and your predecessor have placed upon the shoulders of all people in the Maldives, who are now living with the imagined threat that flooding will soon drive them from their homes, a wholly false notion that is nothing but an armchair fiction artificially constructed by mere computer modeling constantly proven wrong by meticulous real-world observations. Your cabinet meeting under the water is nothing but a misdirected gimmick or PR stunt. Al Gore is a master in such cheap techniques. But such misconduct is dishonest, unproductive and certainly most un-scientific. Nils-Axel Mörner Head of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, Sweden (1991-2005); President of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999-2003); Leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project (2000 on); Chairman of the INTAS project on Geomagnetism and Climate (1997-2003). Read more: [link to network.nationalpost.com] The Financial Post is now on Facebook. Join our fan community today. |
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