Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 2,102 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,157,911
Pageviews Today: 1,572,388Threads Today: 406Posts Today: 6,533
12:41 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 834849
United Kingdom
12/07/2009 01:05 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Christopher Booker
Published: 6:25PM GMT 28 Mar 2009

Comments 150 | Comment on this article

If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.

Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.


But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by
Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".

When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.

One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".

When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.

•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him – [email protected] – to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'


[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 769657
United States
12/07/2009 01:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
It's obvious bullshit The ice is all melted and no one is gone under the sea yet. maybe in 12,000 years, just like 12,000 years ago.
Waving not Drowning
User ID: 831199
Australia
12/07/2009 01:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Good work OP.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 01:40 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Warmers get this

1. Climates always change

2. Temperatures are not rising

3. Sea levels are not rising

4. There is no "greenhouse effect"

So focus on real pressing issues not CO2 patent nonsense.

Note also that your gods, whoops sorry, statisticians cooked the books, hid the data and violently suppressed truth. A really nice bunch of caring moral persons
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 815916
United States
12/07/2009 02:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I believe the sea level is rising.
mathetes

User ID: 793782
United States
12/07/2009 02:19 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I believe the sea level is rising.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815916

But of course you do! The expert in the OP has no chance to show you otherwise because Al Gore and the MSM tell you diff.

So its really not your fault...baa baa
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 729139
Australia
12/07/2009 02:23 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I believe the sea level is rising.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815916

Based on anything other than tea leaf reading?
It's dipshits like yourself that's fucking it up for the rest of us,and personally I resent it,because you can only believe in the warming cult if you are ignorant of the basics of science.....which means you were the twit in class who spent most of the time staring out the window,and when you'd bother to bring your attention back to the classroom it would immediately make you want to do something disruptive.

What pisses me off even more is that your vote is worth the same as mine.
Democracy....what a crock
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 815916
United States
12/07/2009 02:26 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I believe the sea level is rising.

But of course you do! The expert in the OP has no chance to show you otherwise because Al Gore and the MSM tell you diff.

So its really not your fault...baa baa
 Quoting: mathetes

You people aren't looking and it's very easy to pull the wool over your eyes. The LIE is that global warming is manmade. The air temps. haven't increased; it's the earth's temperature that has. The ice caps are melting and sea levels rising.


There is so much misinformation out there, it's hard to know what to believe, but what causes smoldering volcanoes?

It's not your fault you believe everything you read. Baa!

[link to www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 815916
United States
12/07/2009 02:27 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I believe the sea level is rising.

Based on anything other than tea leaf reading?
It's dipshits like yourself that's fucking it up for the rest of us,and personally I resent it,because you can only believe in the warming cult if you are ignorant of the basics of science.....which means you were the twit in class who spent most of the time staring out the window,and when you'd bother to bring your attention back to the classroom it would immediately make you want to do something disruptive.

What pisses me off even more is that your vote is worth the same as mine.
Democracy....what a crock
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 729139

I'm sure I've done way more research than you'll do in your lifetime...dipshit. I laugh at you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263458
Australia
12/07/2009 02:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
You people aren't looking and it's very easy to pull the wool over your eyes. The LIE is that global warming is manmade. The air temps. haven't increased; it's the earth's temperature that has. The ice caps are melting and sea levels rising.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815916


How much would you say the sea level has risen? Anybody live near the sea who is willing to try to confirm this sea level rise?

Can large ships get into ports they couldn't get into before, or hasn't the sea level gone up that much?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835192
United States
12/07/2009 02:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I've been fishing at the same spot on the Gulf of Mexico shore for 4 decades. No signs of rising sea level there, at all.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 02:39 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I believe the sea level is rising.

Classic case of denial and human hate (its our fault). Has it spelled out for him, deep 50 year science and says

I believe.................


bugger the facts

bugger the science

Any yes its idiots like you, millions of them that go gaga with Al fraud Gore and make it difficult if not impossible to that which is really needed to be done.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835328
United States
12/07/2009 02:40 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
So what about the Maldives?..or are they sinking?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263458
Australia
12/07/2009 02:42 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
So what about the Maldives?..or are they sinking?
 Quoting: RememberThis


What about them?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 02:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
They are a large group of Coral Islands off the South Waest coast of India in the Arabian Sea. At most six feet above sea level. They are most at risk from any sea level rise, as are most coral islands.

They have a population of about 300,000

Fact is sea level is falling there, as the professor said.
Bluebird

User ID: 730536
United States
12/07/2009 02:53 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Excellent article, OP.

Where is there ANY proof of any rising sea level anywhere? I mean factual evidence, not just what "might" happen some day but rising in progress?

Agree with the poster that says the Gulf of Mexico, the only sea level I have access to easily is not rising at all. Decades old docks and wharfs at the same level as always.

Ice melts in some regions and is growing in others just as it usually does.

I posted a thread this morning about how in 1974 the government was telling us there was an ice age approaching and for certain as temps had been in a decline for three decades. Now we are told suddenly that those three decades never happened? And the last one has also been cooling.

Govt needs to keep its lies straight if they expect to be taken seriously.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835192
United States
12/07/2009 02:59 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
So what about the Maldives?..or are they sinking?
 Quoting: RememberThis

According to what I've read, sea levels supposedly rose gradually for about a century there, then starting around 1970, the ea level has dropped nearly 50% more than it rose in the previous century.

Sounds like a shifting tectonic plate to me, as I've not heard of those kind of dramatic shifts anywhere else.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835368
Australia
12/07/2009 03:01 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
So what about the Maldives?..or are they sinking?
 Quoting: RememberThis

Nope nothing has happened there..
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 03:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Here is the full paper. Read it before you spout nonsense such as "I believe"

[link to www.climatechangefacts.info]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 03:09 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Exposure of good climate science, a classic oxymoron that

"Another way of looking at what is going
on is the tide gauge. Tide gauging is very
complicated, because it gives different answers
for wherever you are in the world. But
we have to rely on geology when we interpret
it. So, for example, those people in the
IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six
tide gauges, and they choose the record of
one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea
level. Every geologist knows that that is a
subsiding area. It’s the compaction of sediment;
it is the only record which you shouldn’t
use. And if that figure is correct, then Holland
would not be subsiding, it would be uplifting.
And that is just ridiculous. Not even ignorance
could be responsible for a thing like that. So tide gauges,
you have to treat very, very carefully."

So they select their data just as the e-mails admitted
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 03:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
You just will not believe this.

In google I typed

'Sea level Maldives"

and the autotype came up with

'rising sea level Maldives"

which of course I deleted
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 03:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Facts not hype
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 04:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Mörner: I’ll tell you another thing: When I came to the Maldives,
to our enormous surprise, one morning we were on an
island, and I said, “This is something strange, the storm level
has gone down; it has not gone up, it has gone down.” And
then I started to check the level all around, and I asked the others
in the group, “Do you see anything here on the beach?”
And after awhile they found it too. And we had investigated,
and we were sure, I said we cannot leave the Maldives and go
home and say the sea level is not rising, it’s not respectful to
the people. I have to say it to Maldive television. So we made
a very nice program for Maldive television, but it was forbidden
by the government! Because they thought that they would
lose money. They accuse the West for putting out carbon dioxide,
and therefore we have to pay for our damage and the
flooding. So they wanted the flooding scenario to go on.
This tree, which I showed in the documentary, is interesting.
This is a prison island, and when people left the island,
from the ’50s, it was a marker for them, when they saw this
tree alone out there, they said, “Ah, freedom!” They were allowed
back. And there have been writings and talks about this.
I knew that this tree was in that terrible position already in the
1950s. So the slightest rise, and it would have been gone.
I used it in my writings and for television. You know what
happened? There came an Australian sea-level team, which
was for the IPCC and against me. Then the students pulled
down the tree by hand! They destroyed the evidence. What
kind of people are those? And we came to launch this film,
“Doomsday Called Off,” right after, and the tree was still
green. And I heard from the locals that they had seen the people
who had pulled it down. So I put it up again, by hand, and
made my TV program. I haven’t told anybody else, but this
was the story.
They call themselves scientists, and they’re destroying
evidence! A scientist should always be open for reinterpretation,
but you can never destroy evidence. And they were being
watched, thinking they were clever.


Unbelievable, yet again they destroy evidence that falsifies their religion.
Your Friend
User ID: 804722
United States
12/07/2009 04:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Take a plastic bottle of water and freeze it, watch the ice stretch the bottle as it expands....

Thaw it out again, it takes less space in liquid form....

If ice was melting the sea level should drop.

Test this by putting ice cubes in a glass, note the water level and let it thaw and compare.

They really think we're stupid.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 05:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
read
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 263458
Australia
12/07/2009 05:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Take a plastic bottle of water and freeze it, watch the ice stretch the bottle as it expands....

Thaw it out again, it takes less space in liquid form....

If ice was melting the sea level should drop.

Test this by putting ice cubes in a glass, note the water level and let it thaw and compare.

They really think we're stupid.
 Quoting: Your Friend 804722

Have you heard that when ice floats, part of the ice sticks out the top of the water, and the rest is underwater? That's why the water level doesn't drop when ice cubes melt in a glass.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 05:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
I know that you mean well but please cut the silly science, its not necessary.

There is no sea level rise and the science proves it.

The only thing rising is the lies and hot air.

Read the link, it says it all. Hard observation.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 05:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
MÖRNER, Nils-Axel, Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm Univ, Stockholm S-10691 Sweden, [email protected].

The Maldives have a uniquely position in sea level research (as discussed in Integrated Coastal Zone Management, No. 1, 2000, p. 17-20). In the last decade, they have attracted special attention because, in the IPCC-scenario, the Maldives would be condemned to become flooded in the next 50-100 years. Our research data do not lend support to any such flooding scenario, however. On the contrary, we find no signs of any on-going sea level rise. Our results comes from visits to numerous islands including extensive work on Hulhudoo and Guidhoo in the north, in Viligili and Loshfuchi (the site of “the reef woman”) in the middle, and in Addu in the south. This includes coring, levelling, sampling and dating (35 C14-dates). Present sea level was reached at about 4500 BP. In the last 4000 years, sea level oscillated around the present in the last 4000 years. At 3900 BP, there was a short and sharp sea level high-stand at about +1.2 m. For the last millennium, a detailed sea level record is established: +0 m 1000-800 BP, +60 cm 800-300 BP, 0 to just below 0 in the 18th century AD, +30 cm 1790-1970 AD, fall to 0 in ~1970 up to today. At about 1970, sea level fell by 20-30 cm (presumably due to increased evaporation). This is recorded in storm level, high-tide level, mean sea level and in lake and lagoon levels (from the north to the south). In the last decade, there are no signs of any rise in sea level. Hence, we are able to free the islands from the condemnation to become flooded in the 21st century.

Co-authored with the Maldives Project Team Members.
XVI INQUA Congress
General Information for this Meeting
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 05:43 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Abstract
Novel prospects for the Maldives do not include a condemnation to future flooding. The people of the Maldives have, in the
past, survived a higher sea level of about 50–60 cm. The present trend lack signs of a sea level rise. On the contrary, there is
firm morphological evidence of a significant sea level fall in the last 30 years. This sea level fall is likely to be the effect of
increased evaporation and an intensification of the NE-monsoon over the central Indian Ocean.
D 2003 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.
Keywords: Sea level changes; The Maldives; Indian Ocean; Prediction; No flooding; Evaporation
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 06:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
Open Letter

October 20, 2009

To: President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives

From: Nils-Axel Mörner, Stockholm, Sweden

Mr. President,

You have recently held an undersea Cabinet meeting to raise awareness of the idea that global sea level is rising and hence threatens to drown the Maldives. This proposition is not founded in observational facts and true scientific judgments.

Therefore, I am most surprised at your action and must protest its intended message.

In 2001, when our research group found overwhelming evidence that sea level was by no means in a rising mode in the Maldives, but had remained quite stable for the last 30 years, I thought it would not be respectful to the fine people of the Maldives if I were to return home and present our results in international fora. Therefore, I announced this happy news during an interview for your local TV station. However, your predecessor as president censored and stopped the broadcast.

When you became president, I was hoping both for democracy and for dialogue. However, I have written to you twice without reply. Your people ought not to have to suffer a constant claim that there is no future for them on their own islands. This terrible message is deeply inappropriate, since it is founded not upon reality but upon an imported concept, which lacks scientific justification and is thus untenable. There is simply no rational basis for it.

Let me summarize a few facts.

(1) In the last 2000 years, sea level has oscillated with 5 peaks reaching 0.6 to 1.2 m above the present sea level.

(2) From 1790 to 1970 sea level was about 20 cm higher than today

(3) In the 1970s, sea level fell by about 20 cm to its present level

(4) Sea level has remained stable for the last 30 years, implying that there are no traces of any alarming on-going sea level rise.

(5) Therefore, we are able to free the Maldives (and the rest of low-lying coasts and island around the globe) from the condemnation of becoming flooded in the near future.

When I was president for the INQUA commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, we spent much effort on the question of present-to-future sea level changes. After intensive field studies, deliberation within the commission and discussions at five international meetings, we agreed on a “best estimate” for possible sea level changes by the year 2100. Our figure was +10 cm ±10 cm. This figure was later revised at +5 cm ±15cm (as given in Fig. 1). Such changes would imply small to negligible effects.

Such a small rise would pose no threat for the Maldives. Rather, it would be a natural return to the conditions existing from 1790 to 1970; i.e. to the position before the sea level fall in the 1970s.

So, Mr. President, when you ignore available observational facts, refuse a normal democratic dialogue, and continue to menace your people with the imaginary threat of a disastrous flooding already in progress, I think you are doing a serious mistake.

Let us, for Heaven’s sake, lift the terrible psychological burden that you and your predecessor have placed upon the shoulders of all people in the Maldives, who are now living with the imagined threat that flooding will soon drive them from their homes, a wholly false notion that is nothing but an armchair fiction artificially constructed by mere computer modeling constantly proven wrong by meticulous real-world observations.

Your cabinet meeting under the water is nothing but a misdirected gimmick or PR stunt. Al Gore is a master in such cheap techniques. But such misconduct is dishonest, unproductive and certainly most un-scientific.

Nils-Axel Mörner

Head of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, Sweden (1991-2005); President of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999-2003); Leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project (2000 on); Chairman of the INTAS project on Geomagnetism and Climate (1997-2003).

Read more: [link to network.nationalpost.com]
The Financial Post is now on Facebook. Join our fan community today.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 835343
Malaysia
12/07/2009 06:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
The above letter says it all. The response from the BBC, send a reporter there to walk the beaches and proclaim "its all going under water"

Frauds





GLP