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Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
So I stumbled onto this today while searching for new information about cosmic rays and lightning. Interesting, to say the least. Check out the .PDF for images and have a look for yourselves.

The discovery that objects from the Neolithic or Early Bronze Age carry patterns associated with high-current Z-pinches provides a possible insight into the origin and meaning of these ancient symbols produced by man. This paper directly compares the graphical and radiation data from high-current Z-pinches to these patterns. The paper focuses primarily, but not exclusively, on petroglyphs. It is found that a great many archaic petroglyphs can be classified according to plasma stability and instability data. As the same morphological types are found worldwide, the comparisons suggest the occurrence of an intense aurora, as might be produced if the solar wind had increased between one and two orders of magnitude, millennia ago.

ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton
thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km above
Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial
spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora.

Concomitant with the artificial aurora was a degradation of
radio communications over wide areas of the Pacific, lightning discharges, destruction of electronics in monitoring satellites, and an electromagnetic pulse that affected some power circuitry as far away as Hawaii.

*snip*

A. Lightning
Strong electrical discharges are associated with intense inflowing charged particles. This is the lightning most often seenin connection with atmospheric discharges whose tortuosity are the jagged and complex light strokes seen in the sky and accompanied by the sound of the shock wave.

B. Heteromacs
Kukushkin and Rantsev-Kartinov at the Kurchatov Institute, Moscow, Russia, found that, based on fractal dimension analysis of experimental data from plasma pinches, electric current-carrying plasmas are a random fractal medium. The basic building block of this medium was identified by Kukushkin and Rantsev-Kartinov to be an almost-closed helical filamentary plasma configuration called a heteromac [40].

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Petroglyphs frequently appear on the face
of rocks at heights and under conditions which seemed to
render their production impossible without the appliances of
advanced civilization, a large outlay, and the exercise of unusual skill.” Hence, like Humboldt, Mallory perhaps unconsciously subscribes to the idea that petroglyphs are other than primitive ritualistic scratchings [43].

*snip*
A discovery that the basic petroglyph morphologies are the
same as those recorded in extremely high-energy-density discharges has opened up a means to unravel the origin of these apparently crude, misdrawn, and jumbled figures found in uncounted numbers around the Earth.

Drawn in heteromac style (Fig. 12), these ancient patterns
could mimic and replicate high-energy phenomena
that would be recorded on a nonerasable plasma display screen. Many petroglyphs, apparently recorded several millennia ago, have a plasma discharge or instability counterpart, some on a one-to-one or overlay basis. More striking is that the images recorded on rock are the only images found in extreme energy density experiments; no other morphology types or patterns are observed [46], [67].

The instability is that associated with an intense current-carrying column of plasma which undergoes both sausage and helix deformations. Such a current would be produced if the solar flux from the Sun were to increase one or two magnitudes or if another source of plasma were to enter the solar system.

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Two important classes of petroglyphs, spirals and concentric
horseshoes, are not discussed in this paper. These map the
Birkeland currents as depicted in Fig. 4 and provide quantitative information on the electrical parameters. These, including solar wind-magnetosphere interactions, are being studied with TRISTAN [8], [24], [69] and will be presented elsewhere.

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An intriguing theory that would explain the appearance of nearly identical symbols simultaneously around the world.

This guy who co-wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods and The Electric Universe seems to share the same belief [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
An intriguing theory that would explain the appearance of nearly identical symbols simultaneously around the world.

This guy who co-wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods and The Electric Universe seems to share the same belief [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Very interesting esp. if you understand that hyperdimensional entities do exist. abduct
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An intriguing theory that would explain the appearance of nearly identical symbols simultaneously around the world.

This guy who co-wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods and The Electric Universe seems to share the same belief [link to en.wikipedia.org]



Very interesting esp. if you understand that hyperdimensional entities do exist. abduct
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of course they exist.
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An intriguing theory that would explain the appearance of nearly identical symbols simultaneously around the world.

This guy who co-wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods and The Electric Universe seems to share the same belief [link to en.wikipedia.org]



Very interesting esp. if you understand that hyperdimensional entities do exist. abduct
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I'm sorry, I don't see how your crazy mind went from petroglyphs, plasma and aurora to hyperdimensional entities... There is nothing to believe here, this is science.
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Graham Hancock's work on petroglyphs might be interesting to those who wonder about such things. "Supernatural"
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Just goes to show, ancient man was not so primitive. And that the sky was full of auroral activity back then, given that right now our poles have the highest cosmic ray and solar wind fluxes and we can only generally see the aurora around the magnetic poles. How far inland have these petroglyphs been found? Petroglyphs in Australia with aurora and plasma physics carved into them is pretty strange, seeing as how only the very bottom part of Australia can even see aurora anymore. Nature's giant plasma screen.
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Go check out the .pdf and see the petroglyphs yourself along side the high energy physics simulations and experiments. Also want to point out that the author sticks to the status quo date of 10,000 BC as the starting age of the petroglyphs but the way he wrote it gave the impression that they have far older ones. No one ever seems to admit publicly that humanity is older then we know, no one ever seems to go further back than 10,000 BC.
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This guy mapped them all over the world.
About 3/4 down.

[link to www.viewzone.com]
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I think that in ancient times, something amazing happened that projected lots of those images into the skies. The ancient human interpretation of it is as amazing as the events itself.
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ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton
thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km
above
Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial
spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora.


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400 km? 400 km = 248.548 mi. The space shuttle doesn't even fly that high. The shuttle usually orbits about 210-220 miles above earth.

So how did they manage to get the bomb up that high?
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ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton
thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km
above
Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial
spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora.



400 km? 400 km = 248.548 mi. The space shuttle doesn't even fly that high. The shuttle usually orbits about 210-220 miles above earth.

So how did they manage to get the bomb up that high?
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Seriously? You have to ask such a question? Is that all? Not my fault the US have such shitty shuttles, just goes to show how seriously they take sending anyone out into space.

July 9, 1962 - U.S. set off a 2-megaton thermonuclear device at an altitude of 200 mi. over Johnston Island in the central Pacific; detonation produced auroral displays visible for thousands of miles. (source: The Britannica Archive)
[link to www.britannica.com]

Most of the devices were detonated in the air after being dropped from a B-52 bomber. Five high-altitude bursts, designated as Operation Fishbowl tests, were lofted by rockets. Their purpose was to study the effects of nuclear detonations as defensive weapons against incoming ballistic missiles.
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Go check out the .pdf and see the petroglyphs yourself along side the high energy physics simulations and experiments. Also want to point out that the author sticks to the status quo date of 10,000 BC as the starting age of the petroglyphs but the way he wrote it gave the impression that they have far older ones. No one ever seems to admit publicly that humanity is older then we know, no one ever seems to go further back than 10,000 BC.
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Awesome thread!! Thanks so much. Bookmarked that pdf to read more closely.

This could explain the technology the ancients used to move the megaton stones for their structures.
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posting so I can track the thread. :)
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Don't know if you noticed, but there was a second document on the same topic:

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Don't know if you noticed, but there was a second document on the same topic:

[link to www.scribd.com]
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Thanks, actually I didn't notice at all, doing so many things at once.
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Finished reading the first paper. A couple more quotes from it:

"Data shows petroglyphs have a preferred orientation on a worldwide basis and on morphology type, indicating that they are reproductions of plasma phenomenon in space."

"The accuracy of these MHD instabilities suggests that an appreciative amount of time of a particular morphology was visible to the petroglyph carvers."


So were the ancients recording a powerful solar event? Looks like it. I recall reading in there somewhere about how wings were used to show intense energy or something like that. An anomaly anyways..Is this where the representation of the "winged" disc comes from? A huge CME outburst from the sun.
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Finished reading the first paper. A couple more quotes from it:

"Data shows petroglyphs have a preferred orientation on a worldwide basis and on morphology type, indicating that they are reproductions of plasma phenomenon in space."

"The accuracy of these MHD instabilities suggests that an appreciative amount of time of a particular morphology was visible to the petroglyph carvers."


So were the ancients recording a powerful solar event? Looks like it. I recall reading in there somewhere about how wings were used to show intense energy or something like that. An anomaly anyways..Is this where the representation of the "winged" disc comes from? A huge CME outburst from the sun.
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I don't think they are talking about the sun... They are talking about the plasma in our atmosphere. They were recording aurora, which is plasma... The petroglyphs they used span a few thousand years, while it is possible that some of them do include the sun, they could have only done it as it was rising or setting. It sure does seem like they were recording something they didn't understand but felt it was worth etching into rocks... their first experience with what they believe was divine, aurora... how funny. If the aurora rose to the same activity levels as back then, and they are starting to pick up, I think a lot of people would attribute the sights in the skies to their god(s).
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Wow, I think he has really come across something. My first question is, what was occuring in the atmosphere that the artist could look up and draw the figures? My second question is, what did that do to the earth and the environment?
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Finished reading the first paper. A couple more quotes from it:

"Data shows petroglyphs have a preferred orientation on a worldwide basis and on morphology type, indicating that they are reproductions of plasma phenomenon in space."

"The accuracy of these MHD instabilities suggests that an appreciative amount of time of a particular morphology was visible to the petroglyph carvers."


So were the ancients recording a powerful solar event? Looks like it. I recall reading in there somewhere about how wings were used to show intense energy or something like that. An anomaly anyways..Is this where the representation of the "winged" disc comes from? A huge CME outburst from the sun.


I don't think they are talking about the sun... They are talking about the plasma in our atmosphere. They were recording aurora, which is plasma... The petroglyphs they used span a few thousand years, while it is possible that some of them do include the sun, they could have only done it as it was rising or setting. It sure does seem like they were recording something they didn't understand but felt it was worth etching into rocks... their first experience with what they believe was divine, aurora... how funny. If the aurora rose to the same activity levels as back then, and they are starting to pick up, I think a lot of people would attribute the sights in the skies to their god(s).
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Yes. But then how would they be able to draw the plasma as observed in a lab just by looking at the aurora borealis? There are just too many details that a layman looking up at an aurora wouldn't even conceive of. Have you done much looking into ancient man? And the celestial observations?
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Wow, I think he has really come across something. My first question is, what was occuring in the atmosphere that the artist could look up and draw the figures? My second question is, what did that do to the earth and the environment?
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I think that a worldwide aurora for an extended period would only occur if the earth's magnetics were extremely weak. It could have happened after a magnetic pole shift.
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Your question is already answered if you read the pdf or this first part I posted or the post above you...

Drawn in heteromac style (Fig. 12), these ancient patterns
could mimic and replicate high-energy phenomena
that would be recorded on a nonerasable plasma display screen. Many petroglyphs, apparently recorded several millennia ago, have a plasma discharge or instability counterpart, some on a one-to-one or overlay basis. More striking is that the images recorded on rock are the only images found in extreme energy density experiments; no other morphology types or patterns are observed [46], [67].

The instability is that associated with an intense current-carrying column of plasma which undergoes both sausage and helix deformations. Such a current would be produced if the solar flux from the Sun were to increase one or two magnitudes or if another source of plasma were to enter the solar system.

Plasma is hot gas with an electrical current running through it. Aurora is the most common on Earth and is usually triggered by solar activity like coronal holes and CMEs hitting our magnetosphere. However, as you may or may not know, the only places we can see aurora from currently are around the magnetic poles. The only other known way for plasma to be created here on Earth is with nukes, which create artificial aurora if detonated in the atmosphere.

They can easily measure the cosmic ray flux of the time to check if the sun was indeed responsible for the aurora or it was something else, since carbon dating uses exactly that, cosmic rays (or rather the isotopes they create), for measurement.
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Yes. But then how would they be able to draw the plasma as observed in a lab just by looking at the aurora borealis? There are just too many details that a layman looking up at an aurora wouldn't even conceive of. Have you done much looking into ancient man? And the celestial observations?
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Because the plasma in a lab would behave like plasma anywhere else, same physics applies to labs as well as outside the lab.

"another source of plasma were to enter the solar system."

The only explanation I can come up for this suggestion is perhaps we were passing through a large cloud of gas at the time, very possible since gas clouds are everywhere in space but it would had to have been extremely dense cloud...
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Amazing find, thanks much!!!
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Thanks, just glad people find it interesting. However I suggest you thank the guy who made this all happen to begin with, thousands, if not tens of thousands of petroglyphs and countless hours in the lab or sifting through images and stuff. I would really love to know how on Earth he even managed to link petroglyphs with plasma... Most people even now don't understand what plasma is (not the blood). And unless you happen to live around the poles or witness an extreme geomagnetic storm, you would never really see an aurora either.
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Bumping for possible explaination of strange light in Norwegian sky! Way to go Xenus talk about great timing!
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Link to Norwegian sky phenom. Thread: strange phenomenom in the norwegian sky (Page 2)
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I think that the HAARP in Norway is a good explanation, since you can even see a beam being projected from the ground at some points on the videos. Ever wondered why there was such a worldwide push to get TV off the UHF and VHF frequencies? The very same frequencies used by these high power antennas.

"EISCAT (European Incoherent Scattter) studies the interaction between the Sun and the Earth as revealed by disturbances in the magnetosphere and the ionised parts of the atmosphere (these interactions also give rise to the spectacular aurora, or Northern Lights)."

"One EISCAT transmitter site consisting of a UHF system and a VHF system is located close to the city of Tromsø, in Norway"
[link to e7.eiscat.se]

"Active ionospheric research facilities like HAARP attempt to produce small temporary changes in a limited region directly over the facility which, in no way, compare to the worldwide events frequently caused by the sun. But the extraordinary suite of sensitive observational instruments installed at observatories like HAARP permit a detailed and comprehensive correlation with the induced effects, resulting in new insights into the ways the ionosphere responds to a much wider variety of natural conditions."

I really don't think they can be making such a statement when they do not even understand how the sun-earth link works and all the complicated processes that occur in the atmosphere above us.

"In the Auroral latitudes, the ionosphere carries a current that may reach magnitudes up to or beyond a million amperes. This current, which is called the auroral electrojet, can change in dramatic ways under solar influence, and, when it does, currents can be induced in long terrestrial conductors like power lines and pipe lines. While such effects found in nature cannot be reproduced by active ionospheric research, the sensitive instruments at observatories like HAARP can follow the progress of natural magnetic storms and provide insight into the physical mechanisms at work in the ionosphere."

They keep saying HAARP is only to measure and probe the ionosphere.
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

VHF signals with frequencies above about 30 MHz usually penetrate the ionosphere and are not returned to the Earth's surface. E-skip is a notable exception, where VHF signals including FM broadcast and VHF TV signals are frequently reflected to the Earth during late Spring and early Summer. E-skip rarely affects UHF frequencies, except for very rare occurrences below 500 MHz.

Frequencies below approximately 10 MHz (wavelengths longer than 30 meters), including broadcasts in the mediumwave and shortwave bands (and to some extent longwave), propagate most efficiently by skywave at night. Frequencies above 10 MHz (wavelengths shorter than 30 meters) typically propagate most efficiently during the day. Frequencies lower than 3 kHz have a wavelength longer than the distance between the Earth and the ionosphere. The maximum usable frequency for skywave propagation is strongly influenced by sunspot number.

Skywave propagation is usually degraded -- sometimes seriously -- during geomagnetic storms. Skywave propagation on the sunlit side of the Earth can be entirely disrupted during sudden ionospheric disturbances.

Because the lower-altitude layers (the E-layer in particular) of the ionosphere largely disappear at night, the refractive layer of the ionosphere is much higher above the surface of the Earth at night. This leads to an increase in the "skip" or "hop" distance of the skywave at night.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Aurora occur at about 100 KM in the atmosphere, I don't know how far up the "anomaly" in Norway was, but if it was HAARP or the radar then it could only create plasma where there is hot gas and electricity. If this was lower then the usual place for aurora and other electrical/plasma phenomena they would have to create their own plasma. Luckily nowdays we have powerful lasers than can heat up, with almost pinpoint accuracy, any part of our sky. The hard part would be the current.

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