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Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.

 
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837958, what you bring up is addressed at length in David dIcke's, Guide to the Global Conspiracy, his newest book. Really worth the read.
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Of the five visible planets today, none is more enchanting than the ringed gas giant Saturn, now the object of intense investigation by NASA’s Cassini probe. Data returned by the earlier Voyager probes, and now by Cassini, have left NASA scientists in a state of awe, as one surprise after another has re-defined our picture of Saturn and its moons.

Yet when it comes to surprises, nothing discovered about Saturn in the space age can match the bizarre stories ancient priests and astronomers told about the planet. In recent centuries the story was almost forgotten, and all that is left in our own time are the barest fragments of a story once told around the world. But that story can be reliably reconstructed through cross-cultural investigation, with a priority on the most archaic sources.

No one can say why early starworshippers esteemed Saturn as the founder of a lost Golden Age; or why they invoked Saturn as the “sun”; or why this luminary was said to have ruled from the celestial pole so far removed from the paths of the planets today. And what was the “Great Conjunction” of the Golden Age? What did the ancient chroniclers mean by the “fall” of the god from his original station, or the great wars of the gods that are said to have ensued?

Then again, why should the modern world care? What interest could myths and superstitions hold for humankind in recent centuries, after the tools of direct observation began to unveil the secrets of planetary history? Surely no message from antiquity could compare with the growing powers of direct observation since Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, and Galileo Galilei.

Science has displaced myth and superstition. But is it possible that, in our scientific confidence, we’ve missed something of incalculable value? If the mystery were limited to a handful of absurd claims about Saturn, that would be one things. But as it turns out, the Saturn myth is just a window to a vastly larger story. It can now be demonstrated that there are hundreds of mythic archetypes or points of agreement between the early cultures. Together they reveal an eerie coherence that could not be accidental. Random speculations or self-serving inventions from one culture to another could not have produced the underlying unity that has been documented in recent years.

The great themes of world mythology are universal: the story of a former age of gods and wonders, whose first chapter was a “perfect” time of peace and plenty; the story of an exemplary "king of the world," the mythic first in the line of kings; descriptions of the gods as luminaries of immense size and power, wielding weapons of thunder and stone; the universal claim that the ancient world evolved by critical phases or cycles, punctuated by sweeping catastrophe; global traditions of gods and heroes ruling for a time, then departing amidst terrifying spectacles and upheavals. The transfiguration of the departed gods into "stars"; the identification of these ruling gods with planets in the first astronomies.

Even prior to the birth of the great civilizations, humans around the world drew remarkably similar pictures of things never seen in our sky. The “sun’ they carved on stone does not look the Sun in our sky. In the birthplace of astronomy we see a crescent placed on ancient images of the “sun,” and a radiant "star" placed squarely in its center. Neither our moon nor any star can be reconciled with such patterns, many of which are global.

What was the cosmic mountain celebrated around the world, called a pillar of fire and light rising along the world axis? And what was the radiant city or temple of heaven, remembered as the prototype for sacred space on earth?

To such collective memories must be added that of a star-goddess with long-flowing locks, a goddess revered as "the giver of life"; the transformation of this goddess into an ogress raging across the sky with wildly disheveled hair; a fiery serpent or dragon attacking the world; an ancestral warrior or hero, born from the womb of the star-goddess to free the world from chaos monsters.

We’ve paid far too little attention to the motives driving the ancient world. Their desperate yearning to recover the semblance of a lost cosmic order. Their collective efforts to replicate, in architecture, the towering forms claimed to have existed in primeval times. Their festive recreations, through mystery plays and symbolic rites, of cosmic violence and disorder. Their repetition, through ritual sacrifice, of the deaths or ordeals of the gods. Their brutal and ritualistic wars of expansion, repeating on the battlefield the cosmic devastation wrought in the wars of the gods.

Such motives as these constitute the most readily verifiable underpinnings of the ancient cultures. How strange that in their incessant glance backwards, the builders of the first civilizations never remembered anything resembling the natural world in which we live!

What is needed in the face of unusual but widely repeated memories is brutal intellectual honesty. How did human consciousness produce a global convergence on the same improbable ideas? For centuries we've lived under the illusion that our ancestors simply made up explanations of natural phenomena they didn't understand. But that's not the problem. What the myth-makers interpreted or explained through stories and symbols and ritual re-enactments is an unrecognizable world, a world of alien sights and sounds, of celestial forms, of cosmic spectacles, and earth-shaking events that do not occur in our world. That is the problem.
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837958, what you bring up is addressed at length in David dIcke's, Guide to the Global Conspiracy, his newest book. Really worth the read.
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Did a search found where 837958 is getting this information. Origins of Myth

Pasting here so those that are interested can read more:

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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Another one listening, I found my way here from your follow up to the Norway spiral thread.






What concerns me most is the map posted a page or two back of the petroglyphs that were found, almost all in mountain ranges. If the old stories are to be believed, this is not because that is where the phenomena were concentrated, but because that is where people remained to tell the story.




Notice that I say remained and not lived, as I noticed a lack of glyphs in the Appalachian range. Many possibilities there, perhaps they were unaffected/perished/went the way of the Mayans. Funny that you just found this info a few days ago, a few days ago I finally hashed out my beliefs and this seems to coincide nicely with my understanding of these...interesting...times.
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I just went throught all that stuff, and the 'Paths' are due to the 'Axial' alignments of the viewers perspective.

So . .. those living 'end on' to the phenomena would have had a centered view of the actual spiral.

Located in the Columbia Basin, and in Southern Austraila.

maps show the sites discovered to date.

so to me that means the end on focus moved across the landscape as the planet moved during the event, or as the event moved in a path across earth.

think spinning top effect, perhaps it is US moving, ie, the spinnin' sun a couple weeks back . . eh?
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[link to www.equinox-project.com]
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That's pretty cool. And a good link. Thanks.
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Didn't Saturn grown another ring recently? But NASA just claim they just didn't see it before despite all those flybys.

As for worst case scenario... if the plasma cause our poles to melt due to it travelling along the magnetic field lines then we'll see flooding I guess. If the plasma bypasses the shield and comes into the atmosphere we'll see severe weather events such as cyclones, tornadoes, atmospheric phenomena like meteo tsunamis (like the one in Tasmania last week), devastating electrical storms. If the plasma manages to reach ground level then you can imagine what super hot plasma will do to metals, plastics, organics etc. Although I think it would be cooler then the plasma in space it would still be hot enough to melt shit. It all depends on where this dense plasma is heading, I have not heard from Anthony Perrat since yesterday, despite receiving replies for 2 of my emails within an hour of them being sent. How big is this plasma cloud? How fast is it? Where is it? The timing of this all is too coincidental.

Also, I started a thread earlier this year talking about excess cosmic rays (electrons and protons) being detected but the source remains a mystery somewhere just outside our solar system. I think that this was the dense plasma cloud. The cloud has now entered our solar system according to the 2nd email I received from Dr. Perrat.
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I won't be around today, not until later tonight or tomorrow, I need to relax a little and enjoy myself. I still have to come to grips with the situation. Unless Dr. Perrat lied about the cloud, which he has no reason for, then we're in for some interesting times ahead. The worrying thing is he has not responded to my questions regarding the clarification of this high density plasma cloud and the effects it will have on our solar system and us. But I guess you can already see the effects, look around you, look at all the anomalies within the last year alone! Think and don't hide, don't be afraid and don't believe anything. I still have a ton of info to sift through to gain a better understanding, like I said this is fairly new to me also, I understand the concept but not the specifics.
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Have you seen this one?

[link to www.cosmosmagazine.com]
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Yes, I have seen that, quiet beautiful and eerily scary. However a GRB is the least of our worries, a GRB would wipe us out in an instant, at least anyone on the side facing it. It would also destroy the ozone layer in that part of the atmosphere, creating lightning storms like we have never seen before (lightning refills ozone).
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Thanks Xenus for your work last night, I want to archive some of your other posts here:

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to post this information until people understand what happened in Norway... and will happen again.

The discovery that objects from the Neolithic or Early Bronze Age carry patterns associated with high-current Z-pinches provides a possible insight into the origin and meaning of these ancient symbols produced by man. This paper directly compares the graphical and radiation data from high-current Z-pinches to these patterns. The paper focuses primarily, but not exclusively, on petroglyphs. It is found that a great many archaic petroglyphs can be classified according to plasma stability and instability data. As the same morphological types are found worldwide, the comparisons suggest the occurrence of an intense aurora, as might be produced if the solar wind had increased between one and two orders of magnitude, millennia ago.


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The instability is that associated with an intense current-carrying column of plasma which undergoes both sausage and helix deformations. Such a current would be produced if the solar flux from the Sun were to increase one or two magnitudes or if another source of plasma were to enter the solar system.

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Two important classes of petroglyphs, spirals and concentric
horseshoes, are not discussed in this paper. These map the
Birkeland currents as depicted in Fig. 4 and provide quantitative information on the electrical parameters. These, including solar wind-magnetosphere interactions, are being studied with TRISTAN [8], [24], [69] and will be presented elsewhere.
[link to www.scribd.com]


Petroglyph spirals. [link to images.google.com.au]


The recent THEMIS spacecraft discovery of two very large holes in the Earth's magnetosphere helps explain an anomaly in the global distribution of petroglyphs on our planet [1]. Previously, we reported a world wide GPS logging of some 4 million of these objects, each a picture of a filamental MHD instability carved in rock [2, 3]. In all cases, the field-of-view of the petroglyphs was true south with an off-horizon inclination between 21 -- 31 degrees. However, in a complete survey of the braided lava tube caves on Easter Island, petroglyphs were also found in long, true-north shafts, 50 m or more in length.
[link to meetings.aps.org]


For the last time, THIS WAS A HIGH DENSITY PLASMA EVENT. The same kind that is carved into thousands of years old rocks. More proof and evidence here; Thread: Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
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Also, the source is not a planet, it's not anything that has been discussed here before, only the Aussie Bloke poster came close, but he was still wrong. I got my information from Dr. Anthony L. Peratt [link to www.zoominfo.com]

So maybe once people calm the fuck down and quit posting bs around like they know what they are talking about, when in reality you are all so far off, I will post his emails. Until then I provided you with enough information to get an idea about what is going on. The information I posted so far reveals EXACTLY what this event was, yet most of you would rather believe claims with no foundation, no proof or evidence.
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First email confirming my thoughts about the matter.

>Hi, just a couple of days ago I came across your paper
>Characteristics for the Occurrence of a HighCurrent ZPinch Aurora as
>Recorded in Antiquity, it was fascinating and I was just wondering
>if the was indeed one of the plasma phenomena as seen in the
>petroglyphs found all over the world. The timing of such an event
>could not have been any weirder, since I had only just found your
>paper. I would also like to know if you think this was natural or
>man made? I am curious to see if this "anomaly" was due to EISCAT
>research centre or if indeed it is caused by cosmic ray flux or some
>other kind of space event.

This event was natural and occurs when two Birkeland currents interact, usually around 300 -500 km above Earth. Birkeland currents most often occur in pairs because of the 1/r attractive force between them.

This is not an EISCAT heating phenomena.

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ELECTRIC SPACE

The term 'Electric Space' was coined by Dr. Carolyn Brown, Chief, Asian Division, Library of Congress in the 1990s. The name was then used to innaugurate the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration Learning Resource Center's exhibits on space weather, space plasmas, and the plasma universe; as well as its travelling exhibits.

With the advent and widespread use of the internet, terms long used in the academic community such as plasma universe, plasma astrophysics and cosmology, and electric space, used in titles in peer-reviewed, archived journals, disciplines within physics and engineering, and in books by known publishers, started to become corrupted in the public domain. New terms invented by anyone with a personal computer and access to the internet has led to considerable confusion. Disciplinary names like plasma universe, cosmical electrodynamics, plasma astrophysics and cosmology becoming associated with like sounding names such as 'plasma cosmology' and 'electricity something'; but reinterpreted and finding favor with crystal-link sites, ufo sites, and others touting 'shocking stories about electricity', psychodelic trance producers and music, and other endeavors.

[link to plasmascience.net]
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Tomorrow I will come back and if there is enough interest I will post the other email I got, regarding the other source of plasma that is now starting to cause these events. I am waiting for another reply which, hopefully, shows what effects, if any other, we will be experiencing as time goes on. Let's hope that these amazing high density plasma sky shows at the most that can happen and has nothing to do with the extreme quietness of the sun, the slowing down of the solar wind and the drop in particle density of the solar wind

This is not my theory, this is Anthony Perrat's work, it's more then a mere theory. It's backed up by lab experiments, thousands, if not millions of hours of supercomputer simulations as well as the collection of 4 MILLION+ petroglyphs.

Ok, this is the second email.

[link to plasmauniverse.info] Near-Earth Manifestations of the Plasma Universe.

Today we have only very weak auroras in the upper ionosphere. In the past, as NASA's THEMIS satellites have discovered, they were a million-million times more energetic and located say, 1 million km from Earth. Petroglyphs are pictures of these, we know, from thermonuclear explosion pictures underground and very high energy experiments in canyons. Also, from supercomputer modeling.

(I have to insert my question here for this to make sense)
And one last thing, given the rise in cosmic ray flux recently and the drop in strength of the Interplanetary Magnetic Field, can we expect more of these types of events in the future?

No, the cosmic flux will not change anything but dense plasma entering the solar system, as is now happening, will.

I sent him one more in order to get some clarification regarding the actual effects on our solar system due to this dense plasma. So far the only thing I know we can expect is more of these high density events.
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An intriguing theory that would explain the appearance of nearly identical symbols simultaneously around the world.

This guy who co-wrote Thunderbolts of the Gods and The Electric Universe seems to share the same belief [link to en.wikipedia.org]



Very interesting esp. if you understand that hyperdimensional entities do exist. abduct


I'm sorry, I don't see how your crazy mind went from petroglyphs, plasma and aurora to hyperdimensional entities... There is nothing to believe here, this is science.
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LaViolette's writings are about this...

[link to books.google.com]
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Did a search found where 837958 is getting this information. Origins of Myth

Pasting here so those that are interested can read more:

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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Thanks AC for the link and further digging, found this that AC 837393 posted
this is a story you will enjoy i believe
A global myth declares ...
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[link to www.kronia.com]
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xenus is now on the path to knowing
where humanity is yet again going
it won`t be the same as the time before
the source of the effect is less not more
it isn`t our planets moving for this one
it is the plasma effect on our solar sun
knowing this alters all your perceptions
past present future without exceptions
i suggest xenus you also trouble to find
the effect of em waves on the human mind
this is not just a physical transitionl leap
it is a fundermental mutational mind peak
knowing the human is an electrical entity
shows you they are built with the capacity
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[link to www.tmgnow.com]

[link to divinecosmos.com]
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the plasma existance is part dislosure
as this uk ministry report shows you
the interesing part you may find
is close contact effects the mind
this often may lead you to think you have met
an intelligent being or a supernateral effect
the physics that come with us knowing the truth
allows travel over distance to go through the roof
not only do we know that they can come to us
we discover that many actualy live amoungst to us

[link to www.mod.uk]
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No peculiar physics, strange matter or singularities (infinities) are involved in the plasma focus model of galactic centers. Black holes are not required. Matter in the vicinity of the galactic center is under the control of powerful electromagnetic forces. Gravitational calculations of stellar masses and motions in the galactic center are inappropriate and misleading. During the time that energy is being efficiently stored in the tiny central plasmoid, the galactic center is quiescent. Jets are only produced when the plasmoid becomes unstable. The periodic outbursts from a galactic plasmoid can briefly release more energy than all of the stars in the galaxy. Precisely the same effect is achieved in the high-energy plasma lab, like that at Los Alamos, where more instantaneous power than is available from all of the power stations on Earth can be released in a volume the size of a baked bean can. Who, in their right mind, would try to achieve a similar effect by (in effect) dropping a great mass from a great height?
Wal Thornhill


"These very interesting observations raise the possibility that gamma ray bursts are not fireballs as usually presumed but are powered and collimated by organized electromagnetic field," added Professor Roger Blandford F.R.S., Director of the Kavli Institute of Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology at Stanford University.

NASA 12.09.09

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There is somewhere in Scotland which has rocks turned to glass.I read it in a book where it was described as the result of ancient warfare .I would like to suggest that the evidence for the ancient civilisations could be under the desserts .I have heard that the remains under the Gobi dessert can be seen by satellite.
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In Britain variations of the magnetic field are shown on the maps.I sometimes spontainiously see things so to speak .When I have been to a place with this low magnetis field I have had visions.I think that visions occur due to fluctuations in energy and each individual brain interprets it in its own way.Though my daughter once saw what I saw at the same time though that was from the future.
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I can see you are into science but please read this with an open mind.There have been books written about a photon belt arriving at the Earth which is related to the new Golden age.Perhaps whoever wrote this most probably in the early nineties had a perception of what could arrive .The photon belt is not photons as physics would define it but could be this plasma field you are mentioning.I did physics many moons ago but before plasma fields.I have written on glp about electrons getting in at the poles and heating the earth from within,I see now that it could well be this plasma doing this.I had heard of plasmas but did not realise they were hot.
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Also we have to consider the fact that religious mystics are saying that when the field goes down that we should stay in doors as everyone will be having visions.
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I can see you are into science but please read this with an open mind.There have been books written about a photon belt arriving at the Earth which is related to the new Golden age.Perhaps whoever wrote this most probably in the early nineties had a perception of what could arrive .The photon belt is not photons as physics would define it but could be this plasma field you are mentioning.I did physics many moons ago but before plasma fields.I have written on glp about electrons getting in at the poles and heating the earth from within,I see now that it could well be this plasma doing this.I had heard of plasmas but did not realise they were hot.
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They can also be cold, they crystallize at extreme cold temps, but I think that's only being achieved in labs here on Earth. I really do hope that the Norway event was just an anomaly and not going to happen again somewhere else. How do we know that this kind of thing doesn't happen at the poles?
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xenus is now on the path to knowing
where humanity is yet again going
it won`t be the same as the time before
the source of the effect is less not more
it isn`t our planets moving for this one
it is the plasma effect on our solar sun
knowing this alters all your perceptions
past present future without exceptions
i suggest xenus you also trouble to find
the effect of em waves on the human mind
this is not just a physical transitionl leap
it is a fundermental mutational mind peak
knowing the human is an electrical entity
shows you they are built with the capacity
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Nice Prose 838486

and thanks for the follow up links esp. the declassified document. THE UFO/UAF (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) paper answers a lot of questions that I had. ie, essentially UFOs can be explained by science. Plasma effects.

Very neat.
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the source of the event in the norwegian sky
is perhaps not where it`s best to turn your eye
the worry most topical for our powers that be
are the effects that occur that should not be
their worry is that the masses will all agree
that our atmosphere is not what it used to be
the simplist of things can now behave strange
as our environment is experiencing the change
this has the effect on governments not knowing
what will ever be the next odd event showing
a storyline to explain is so hard to create
when national security says mr president wait
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and the great thing is it happened right above where they were meeting ?


Each planet is in an exact position, determined by unseen waves that the Sun is giving off, which can be precisely measured and calculated by the rise and fall of the Sun's surface and an exact, harmonic number of solar diameters.
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Just finished watching this .. a very good intro to PLASMA

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this is a story you will enjoy i believe

A global myth declares that the world has not always been as it is experienced now. In a former time, man lived in a kind of paradise, close to the gods. It was the Golden Age.





Sounds interesting....do you have a link? I would love to read more.



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You may like what Michael Cremo has to say. He thinks we've been DEvolving since the Golden Times. I think he's right and I think this post is right on, 656642.

Cremo's on youtube, etc. BTW.

OP, thanks for a terrific thread!!
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Re: Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
No peculiar physics, strange matter or singularities (infinities) are involved in the plasma focus model of galactic centers. Black holes are not required. Matter in the vicinity of the galactic center is under the control of powerful electromagnetic forces. Gravitational calculations of stellar masses and motions in the galactic center are inappropriate and misleading. During the time that energy is being efficiently stored in the tiny central plasmoid, the galactic center is quiescent. Jets are only produced when the plasmoid becomes unstable.


The periodic outbursts from a galactic plasmoid can briefly release more energy than all of the stars in the galaxy. Precisely the same effect is achieved in the high-energy plasma lab, like that at Los Alamos, where more instantaneous power than is available from all of the power stations on Earth can be released in a volume the size of a baked bean can.


Who, in their right mind, would try to achieve a similar effect by (in effect) dropping a great mass from a great height?
Wal Thornhill


"These very interesting observations raise the possibility that gamma ray bursts are not fireballs as usually presumed but are powered and collimated by organized electromagnetic field," added Professor Roger Blandford F.R.S., Director of the Kavli Institute of Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology at Stanford University.

NASA 12.09.09

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That is really mind blowing. Wonder how much further ahead we really are?

BTW, the youtube videos above are excellent.

bump because this is a good thread

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