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This may be the most important piece of evidence available to us to show us what has happened in the past and what is coming. Part II is equally important.

[link to www.scribd.com]

Thank you for this extraordinary find Xenus.


Yes the second part is as important, shorter but still has valuable information and interesting discussion. This has got to be one of the most interesting papers I've come across and also the strangest, a nuclear and plasma physicist mapping out petroglyphs around the world.
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With regards to the second paper, which surely must have been most easily associated with lightening, I believe it is showing us what the "second coming" will look like.

Matthew 24:
27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Other similar Biblical references are documented here:
[link to ivarfjeld.wordpress.com]

The African Fans creation story tells us:

Nzame, angered, brought forth thunder and lightning and destroyed everything that was, except Fam, who had been promised immortality. Nzame, in his three aspects, decided to renew the earth and try again.

[link to www.dreamscape.com]

The Mayan Book of Creation, the Popol Vuh, Chapter 1 (as translated by Allen J. Christenson) includes:

First is Thunderbolt Huracan, second is Youngest Thunderbolt, and third is Sudden Thunderbolt. These three together are Heart of Sky. Then they came together with Sovereign and Quetzal Serpent. Together they conceived light and life.

Many more stories of lightening in the role of creation (I refuse to call them "myths" are enumerated here:
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

For example:

One tradition from the Pueblos, of New Mexico, relates that the deity, whom they called Sun Father, “sent the lightning to make an opening between the two worlds. The earth shook and trembled.”
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Zeus, the Greek king of the gods, punished wayward mortals and miscreant gods by hurling thunderbolts at them. Sky deities from many world religions, including Zeus's Roman counterpart Jupiter, the Germanic Thor, the Mayan Chac, and the Slavic Perun, all used the thunderbolt as the paramount symbol of power. [link to www.infoplease.com]

What if the original 'lightning' of the gods wasn't (merely) lightning alone, but actually was plasma?
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Zeus, the Greek king of the gods, punished wayward mortals and miscreant gods by hurling thunderbolts at them. Sky deities from many world religions, including Zeus's Roman counterpart Jupiter, the Germanic Thor, the Mayan Chac, and the Slavic Perun, all used the thunderbolt as the paramount symbol of power. [link to www.infoplease.com]

What if the original 'lightning' of the gods wasn't (merely) lightning alone, but actually was plasma?
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We can and will travel to the period of the great change. That period of up to three thousand years of realignment. The actual event was abrupt, "zap" and everything changed. What followed were awe inspiring events as our entire solar system settled into what we see and we know today. That "zap" event and the thousand(s) of years of realignment very deeply effected the phyche of the inhabitants of earth. Their survival, through generations of seeing the wonder and of living in through the hell is deeply seated in their subconsciouses to this very day. That same memory is also contained within the archytypes that accompanied them through this journey or formed from their collective experiences of the journey.

When the great realignment was complete humanity, looked on with a it`s new minds. They had touched by the Gods. All had watched and lived in wonder, generation upon generation, whilst their world transformed and the sky convulsed with wondress visions and sounds. The sky and their world went from light to dark, light dark, light dark, on and on. They each aquired a shadow, everything aquired a shadow, a perfect dark self. Thousands of Gods came into view everytime it went dark, far away but with one bigger and closer by far than all others . In the light a magnifecent close God radiated it`s power over all and sometimes the God most magnificent in the dark and the God most powerful of the light were seen together.
What strangly magnifecent new world it was.

It is easy to imagine the criteria that formed in the new minds of humanity once realising that the "war" was settled and it was possible to consider the re-construction of their lost civilisation. Humanities memories retained knowing the essence of life before the now ended catastrophic era and those same new minds were full of the knowledge and experiences, sucessive generations had endured since the very long time past of living those sacredly cherished memories of a life, enjoyed so very much. The sights and sounds, embedded in their new minds, with translation of meaning formed through the physical and emotional experience that the changing era had forced on them combined to form a collective translation of why. Why it occured and what the occurence both physicly and symbolicly said to them.

What humanity witnessed while living through the era of chaotic transformation was physical not esorteric. The sights and sounds were never hallucinations, they were physical, touchable, smellable effects of awsome "Gods" manifesting unimaginable feats of power on the grandest of scales continuously over generation upon generation of human life. These physical manifestations were the living story of the Gods in conflict and the saga, with it`s meanings and outcomes, was now as much a part of the true history of humanity as was the remembered endless time of beauty, which preceded it. The final realined settled outcome was known to be the result of the titanic struggle, details and meaning of which were forever more etched deeply into the hearts and minds of all whom survived to recount the saga. They knew whom was who in this new Pantheon of Gods and they knew how those Gods got there and why.

The population of earth was spread in much the same area`s we live in today, numbers though were dramatically smaller. Gathered into groups with big gaps in between of few people. Life stlyes being maintained throughout the Gods drama reflecting to a large degree, the environment and circumstances that humanity found it`self in. There were periods of up to several generations at a time when the activity of the Gods, although spectacular, was pretty static and less intrusive. Through these times progress was made in increasing the comfort and quality of their lives. The sky events witnessed and experieced by the whole population were in general global in their manifestation, high in the now alien sky, watched and wondered at by all. Some of these Gods actions physicly touched between the earth and the sky and these, although spectacular and of great scale, were not witnessed by the whole population of the planet. Sound played a big part with the sky frequently filled with a cacophony of alien sounds. The Gods literally screamed and howled with tremendous volume.

When the realinement was complete the entire population of the planet earth had lived through the most destructive and terrifying era, beyond the comprehension or imagination of any of todays clever thinkers. The era lasted several thousands of years and the minds of humanity transmuted when forced to endure such continues turmoil. It altered to make sense of all that had become chaos . All humanity retained the memory of their previous time of beauty, passed on as sacred knowledge preserving forever their knowing, never to forget what they they realy are, despite what they had been forced to become. Humans of grace and beauty alive in a divine world of harmonic wonder and effortless
peace.
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What if the original 'lightning' of the gods wasn't (merely) lightning alone, but actually was plasma?
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Yes - specifically, the Birkeland sheath filament as seen in figure 67 of Peratt's 2nd paper.
[link to www.scribd.com]
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Zeus, the Greek king of the gods, punished wayward mortals and miscreant gods by hurling thunderbolts at them. Sky deities from many world religions, including Zeus's Roman counterpart Jupiter, the Germanic Thor, the Mayan Chac, and the Slavic Perun, all used the thunderbolt as the paramount symbol of power. [link to www.infoplease.com]

What if the original 'lightning' of the gods wasn't (merely) lightning alone, but actually was plasma?
 Quoting: germanbini


Lightning IS plasma, it is super heated atmospheric gases with free electrons. I blame the science education for people's lack of understanding of plasma, it's not even acknowledged as the 4th state of matter in general science, only in the advanced stages... They don't tell you how the 3 familiar states of matter for us is not common in the visible universe and matter in the state of plasma is the norm. Maybe we're not supposed to find out that what we once thought was normal and widespread in the universe, isn't.
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Thanks for letting me know, Xenus. afro

I have to say I never was very good at the physical sciences or math, but always loved archaeology and mythology and languages. It's great that these theories and the probable re-occurrence of these events brings us all together to learning about all of these interests again!
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Hey Xenus I don't know if you ever saw this I referred to in a post for you somewhere. Check out the some of the headgear worn in ceremonies by the Dogon tribe in Africa - definately looks like that 'squatter man' plasma figure. [link to www.theepochtimes.com]

The headgear comes into view at about 40 seconds or so.



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Zeus, the Greek king of the gods, punished wayward mortals and miscreant gods by hurling thunderbolts at them. Sky deities from many world religions, including Zeus's Roman counterpart Jupiter, the Germanic Thor, the Mayan Chac, and the Slavic Perun, all used the thunderbolt as the paramount symbol of power. [link to www.infoplease.com]

What if the original 'lightning' of the gods wasn't (merely) lightning alone, but actually was plasma?



Lightning IS plasma, it is super heated atmospheric gases with free electrons. I blame the science education for people's lack of understanding of plasma, it's not even acknowledged as the 4th state of matter in general science, only in the advanced stages...

They don't tell you how the 3 familiar states of matter for us is not common in the visible universe and matter in the state of plasma is the norm. Maybe we're not supposed to find out that what we once thought was normal and widespread in the universe, isn't.
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cheer Glad you're back Xenus. I love this thread. Since I started reading it I have gotten a better understanding of plasma.

My husband does a lot of welding and fabrication, he has helped to flesh out the rest of what I can't grasp. His knowledge of metallurgy and gasses is phenomenal. Thankfully he can also explain it in simplistic terms to educate our sons.

Here's a bump for him to read over my shoulder this weekend.

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Not radiation, dense plasma. I will *try* to explain it all in "layman's" terms, despite being one myself... However not tonight, it's 2 am and I need sleep. Think of the event in Norway as a type of Aurora, you know what an aurora is right? It's kind of like that, only this was far more energetic and aurora just drift about whereas this high density plasma (HDP) event didn't move and was a lot different to the aurora we're used to seeing. People should start brushing up on their plasma physics! :)

In analysis, plasmas are far harder to model than solids, liquids, and gases because they act in a self-consistent manner. The separation of electrons and ions produce electric fields and the motion of electrons and ions produce both electric and magnetic fields. The electric fields then tend to accelerate plasmas to very high energies while the magnetic fields tend to guide the electrons. Both of these mechanisms, the accelerated (or fast) electrons and the magnetic fields produce what is called synchrotron radiation, so called because it was first discovered in large magnetized containers of electrons beams in laboratories on earth.

Because of their self-consistent motions, plasma are rampant with instabilities, chaosity, and nonlinearities. These also produce electric and magnetic fields but also electromagnetic radiation. For example, all beams of electrons produce microwaves. Plasma science has, in turn, spawned new avenues of basic science. Most notably, plasma physicists were among the first to open up and develop the new and profound science of chaos and nonlinear dynamics. Plasma physicists have also contributed greatly to studies of turbulence, important for safe air travel and other applications. Basic plasma science continues to be a vibrant research area. Recent new discoveries have occurred in understanding extremely cold plasmas which condense to crystalline states, the study of high-intensity laser interactions, new highly-efficient lighting systems, and plasma-surface interactions important for computer manufacturing.


This is basically saying that plasma can be detected by detecting synchrotron radiation. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to plasmascience.net] <- awesome site, use it! It's hard to explain a few things unless you know some basic physics. I will try tomorrow though. Thanks for your interest and support :D
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Just a bump for those that may read the last page first; this is from I believe, page 3 of the thread.
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now THIS is the kinda subject I subscribed for. great post.
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now THIS is the kinda subject I subscribed for. great post.
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Thanks, glad you found it interesting, there is much information within if you're willing to spend some time reading.
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ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton
thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km
above
Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial
spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora.



400 km? 400 km = 248.548 mi. The space shuttle doesn't even fly that high. The shuttle usually orbits about 210-220 miles above earth.

So how did they manage to get the bomb up that high?
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dont know but it was called operation Starfish [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Most, if not all, nuclear physicists would have come across plasmas in their work, a nuclear bomb creates plasma but it is unstable and chain reacts to rip matter apart, instead of fusing it together like in fusion. And the unstable elements they work with decay radioactively with alpha, beta and gamma radiation, the most dangerous to life.

Stars fuse elements in plasma state, which is something scientists are trying to understand, cold/hot fusion, using hydrogen as the base. It's like the building blocks of matter, being able to create any element you wanted with only hydrogen would be great.
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EXCELENT POST!!!

i do have a question though in regards to plasma and our solar system...

there was a post by Sickscent a while back in regards to a Boeing Contractor who believes something is going to interact with our Sun this solar cycle sooner than later. this 'something' had to do with the interstellar cloud("Local Fluff") our solar system has entered.

from my understanding the heliosphere would hold this fluffy stuff at bay. SS told me otherwise... he stated 'it' has made it's way into the heliosphere. i then asked him 'how'. he responded with "XENUS, is the one to talk to about it. It is the denser plasma columns that have breached."

is this just a theory of yours or is this in fact true? if so, how do you know?
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In conclusion, all magnetic fields encountered in nature are generated by circulating currents. There is no fundamental difference between the fields generated by permanent magnets and those generated by currents flowing around conventional electric circuits. In the former, case the currents which generate the fields circulate on the atomic scale, whereas, in the latter case, the currents circulate on a macroscopic scale (i.e., the scale of the circuit).

[link to farside.ph.utexas.edu]



An international research project involving the University of Adelaide has revealed that the magnetic field in the centre of the Milky Way is at least 10 times stronger than the rest of the Galaxy

[link to pda.physorg.com]


it seems strange to me that a black hole description
of a state where nothing can escape it`s attraction
can be resident in a place that obviously eminates
electromagnetic radiation and magnetic field lines


Yes, it became painfully obvious that the black hole theory was wrong, even that idiot cripple Hawking admitted it, when they observed jets of matter and energy being expelled from both polarities. He's spent his whole life advancing a lie. I wonder if stars ever truly die... and lets not forget in order to die it has to be ALIVE.

We know stars explode and transform. We know they gather around them matter and energy, we know they release it. So do stars ever truly die or do they transform and then get reborn? Dense particles in a state of plasma + the high energies from space = fusion. The more denser the particles the more stable the reaction. It also depends on the energies involved and the elemental composition of the particles.

We have tons of space "dust" aka charged particles fall onto our planet every year, this dust is low density and is everywhere around our solar system and most likely the universe. Some people call it dust, some people call it cosmic rays, but regardless of the label they are simply charged particles and ionized atoms. They have always interacted with our Earth's atmosphere, most likely caused the formation of our solar system and everything within once the density of these particles rose high enough.

And now we have Fluffy. A high density particle cloud. Any high energy EM radiation passing through it will interact with it, if the energy is high enough it could ignite it and turn it into a hot plasma. That ignition is merely speculation, we cannot know unless we know more, but it is a possibility.
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From page 26. Honestly if you can make the time, read the whole thread from page 1. There is a ton of information.

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thanks for the info!

unfortunately i don't have the time right now to read through all of it... but based off this statement "if the energy is high enough it could ignite it and turn it into a hot plasma. That ignition is merely speculation, we cannot know unless we know more, but it is a possibility", i'm going to assume the other thread was based off a theory of Xenus' that this stuff has actually entered the heliosphere.
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From page 26. Honestly if you can make the time, read the whole thread from page 1. There is a ton of information.
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Thanks, just stumbled onto this thread, will do.
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EXCELENT POST!!!

i do have a question though in regards to plasma and our solar system...

there was a post by Sickscent a while back in regards to a Boeing Contractor who believes something is going to interact with our Sun this solar cycle sooner than later. this 'something' had to do with the interstellar cloud("Local Fluff") our solar system has entered.

from my understanding the heliosphere would hold this fluffy stuff at bay. SS told me otherwise... he stated 'it' has made it's way into the heliosphere. i then asked him 'how'. he responded with "XENUS, is the one to talk to about it. It is the denser plasma columns that have breached."

is this just a theory of yours or is this in fact true? if so, how do you know?
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I was told in an email from Anthony Perrat of Los Alamos Nuclear facility that a dense plasma has already entered our solar system in my emails to him about his paper, which was what got me to start the thread.
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If a paid member could do me a favour and add in the image of the plasma column flow around the Earth from Anthony Perrat's second part of the paper [link to www.scribd.com] I would be very grateful, I think something like that is amazing, and it was all put together from using LOS (line of sight) of found petroglyphs with what parts of the sky can be seen and simulated with a super computer. All together, millions of petroglyphs show a gigantic column of light flowing past the Earth. And this was an event witnessed by many people world wide and recored the only way they could or maybe it was more of a communication, petroglyphs outlast books any day.

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If a paid member could do me a favour and add in the image of the plasma column flow around the Earth from Anthony Perrat's second part of the paper [link to www.scribd.com] I would be very grateful, I think something like that is amazing, and it was all put together from using LOS (line of sight) of found petroglyphs with what parts of the sky can be seen and simulated with a super computer. All together, millions of petroglyphs show a gigantic column of light flowing past the Earth. And this was an event witnessed by many people world wide and recored the only way they could or maybe it was more of a communication, petroglyphs outlast books any day.
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if a x planet/red dwarf tethers to our poles when it passes (magnetics) would we see this a surge in the atmosphere like lightnening which comes from the east to the west? our iron core holds but the crust is forced to slide due to the sudden tether! Earth quakes, volcanoes ,water slosh,jet stream winds close to the surface and the Mayans /bible 30 hrs of darkness as this occurs! The brain waves would be effected no doubt!
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This has nothing to do with mystical planetoids, see one of the other countless threads about it if you want those kinds of beliefs.
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Petroglyphs is real, many stones,its amazing how hieroglyphics tie in.

When u receive the real light of god,you will draw it as well,man can hold the rosetta stone in hand as great mountain of god works,"THE STONE BECOMES ACTIVE SO TO SPEAK"


Hieroglyphics,rosetta stone surpass all books writen,in truth all books roll up to great mountain in sky,therefore hieroglyphics becomes the real scroll.


The reason why i know this is because i received the real light of god Dec 21,2006.


As the great bars gave rise they split into wavy lines as carved in stone,the great hawk falcon guided me well.

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EXCELENT POST!!!

i do have a question though in regards to plasma and our solar system...

there was a post by Sickscent a while back in regards to a Boeing Contractor who believes something is going to interact with our Sun this solar cycle sooner than later. this 'something' had to do with the interstellar cloud("Local Fluff") our solar system has entered.

from my understanding the heliosphere would hold this fluffy stuff at bay. SS told me otherwise... he stated 'it' has made it's way into the heliosphere. i then asked him 'how'. he responded with "XENUS, is the one to talk to about it. It is the denser plasma columns that have breached."

is this just a theory of yours or is this in fact true? if so, how do you know?


I was told in an email from Anthony Perrat of Los Alamos Nuclear facility that a dense plasma has already entered our solar system in my emails to him about his paper, which was what got me to start the thread.
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did he give you any proof to back his claim? just curious...
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EXCELENT POST!!!

i do have a question though in regards to plasma and our solar system...

there was a post by Sickscent a while back in regards to a Boeing Contractor who believes something is going to interact with our Sun this solar cycle sooner than later. this 'something' had to do with the interstellar cloud("Local Fluff") our solar system has entered.

from my understanding the heliosphere would hold this fluffy stuff at bay. SS told me otherwise... he stated 'it' has made it's way into the heliosphere. i then asked him 'how'. he responded with "XENUS, is the one to talk to about it. It is the denser plasma columns that have breached."

is this just a theory of yours or is this in fact true? if so, how do you know?


I was told in an email from Anthony Perrat of Los Alamos Nuclear facility that a dense plasma has already entered our solar system in my emails to him about his paper, which was what got me to start the thread.


did he give you any proof to back his claim? just curious...
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He had no reason to lie about it, what would he gain? I haven't heard back from him since he replied that a dense plasma has already entered the solar system... Look around you, there is plenty of evidence that something is going on, from the Norway spiral to the spiral down in Australia, the increase of aurora, the increasing odd behaviour of the sun etc. And a changing galactic neighbourhood seems more of a plausible explanation that some rogue planetoid or aliens or gods.

This has all happened before, many times, and it's happening again now. Just hope that this plasma isn't too dense otherwise it will push back our heliosphere to within 1 AU, which would leave us exposed to more galactic cosmic rays.
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I'll give your thread another bump because it is a great thread.


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1.2.3 Planetary Magnetospheres
The Earth’s magnetosphere acts as a buffer between the solar wind and atmosphere, and as such is an ingredient in understanding the effect of our galactic environment on the Earth. The decreasing solar wind density in the outer
heliosphere results in an interplanetary medium around outer planets that is more sensitive to ISM variations than for inner planets, with implications for the magnetospheres of Jupiter, Neptune, and Uranus.


Rest of the paper here [link to lanl.arxiv.org] It's worth a read if anyone wants to know the effects of different types of clouds on our solar system based upon our current understanding.

IBEX has also been used to study our magnetosphere. We still don't know everything about these areas right in our home but we're learning everyday.
[link to www.nasa.gov]
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Found some evidence for the dense plasma entering our solar system. I was hoping I would not but what can you do... Now I know this is real and happening now. This is the same neutrals IBEX is looking at.

INTRODUCTION
Due to the motion of the heliosphere at about 25 km/s through the LIC, the Earth passes upstream of
the Sun in the main neutral gas flow in early June of every year, about June 5 (day 156) when it is near
254&#9702; ecliptic longitude (Frisch, 2000). Several independent observations for both H and He including pickup
ions (Gloeckler and Geiss, 2001), direct neutral gas observations (Witte et al., 1993), and UV backscattering
(Lallement, 1996) have established this direction along with the resulting spatial distribution and kinematics
of the particles. In addition, the derived flow is consistent with UV absorption measurements in the light
of nearby stars (Bertin et al., 1993).
The presence of this well-established stream leads to the expectation that neutral atom data at 1 AU
would be symmetric with respect to the 74&#9702;/254&#9702; ecliptic longitude axis. However, a number of neutral
atom data sets at 1 AU, four of which are discussed here, curiously are not centered with this axis, but with
larger ecliptic longitudes by about 10&#9702;-40&#9702;, depending on the data set in question.


DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS
Figure 5 shows all four of the data sets discussed in this paper on a single plot. The data have a
symmetry point substantially later than expected based on the nominal upstream direction but appear to
be consistent with a direction very close to the Galactic center at 267&#9702;. One possibility is that this may
be due to a secondary stream of neutrals which enters the heliosphere at an ecliptic longitude somewhere
between 262&#9702; and 292&#9702;
. The wave data and the downstream directly observed neutral data suggest a lower
energy component while the neutral solar wind and perhaps the HSTOF data favor a component at higher
energies which can penetrate well inside of 1 AU. This implies that should this secondary stream exist, it
likely contains a wide range of neutral speeds, that is, it is very hot.


A natural question is what would cause such a stream and the answer is unclear at best, although there
are a couple other relevant issues that should be mentioned. First, it is interesting to note that the apparent direction of the interstellar dust flow is shifted about 10&#9702; later in ecliptic longitude than the direction of the interstellar neutral flow (Gr¨un, 2000), although they are consistent to within a 1 uncertainty. The dust
distribution, however, is sufficiently broad so that it is also consistent with a wide range of flow directions.
Because dust can serve as a source of neutrals for charge exchange (Banks, 1971), there may be some
relationship between the interstellar dust flow and this possible secondary stream.
Second, if the heliosphere is tilted due to the inclination of an interstellar magnetic field, as suggested
by some simulations (Ratkiewicz et al., 1998) and illustrated in Figure 6, then perhaps the shift in the data
sets presented here is the result of this asymmetry.

Third, Lallement (private communication, 2002) has pointed out that evidence suggests that the heliosphere
is extremely close to the boundary of the local interstellar cloud in the approximate direction of
the Galactic center, albeit with a huge uncertainty (Lallement, 1996; Lallement and Bertin, 1992). If the
next cloud in that direction, the G cloud (Linsky and Wood, 1996), has not already caught up to the LIC
(Lallement et al., 1990), between the LIC and the G cloud resides a hot ionized gas of temperature &#8764;106 K,
which corresponds to 150 km/s for protons. If the interface with this hot gas is close (we have only upper
limits (Redfield and Linsky, 2000)), then, because of charge exchange between hydrogen and protons, hot
neutral H with characteristic speeds of about 150 km/s, perhaps higher, will penetrate the heliosphere from
the approximate direction of the Galactic center because of our proximity to the interface. In this scenario,
because the distribution is so hot, some flux of energetic neutrals (> 1 keV) may be observed flowing towards
the Sun when the Earth is between the Sun and the Galactic center.


[link to arxiv.org]
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If a paid member could do me a favour and add in the image of the plasma column flow around the Earth from Anthony Perrat's second part of the paper [link to www.scribd.com] I would be very grateful, I think something like that is amazing, and it was all put together from using LOS (line of sight) of found petroglyphs with what parts of the sky can be seen and simulated with a super computer. All together, millions of petroglyphs show a gigantic column of light flowing past the Earth. And this was an event witnessed by many people world wide and recored the only way they could or maybe it was more of a communication, petroglyphs outlast books any day.
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Hey Xenus I hope this helps you! :) (sorry about the huge size of some of the pics)

Zpinch pics from lab experiments:


Zpinch

Birklandglobe

Ancient Petroglyphs:

end2petro

Here are some websites with more info: [link to geoplasma.spaces.live.com]

[link to www.everythingselectric.com]

[link to www.warriorforum.com]

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