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M87—Bringing it Home
Sep 13, 2010

The eruptive activity of the active galaxy M87 may be like that of a galactic-scale volcano on a super-massive black hole. Or are volcanoes planetary-scale electrical activities like the plasma discharges of M87?

Established scientific societies have a long history of denying evidence and proclaiming new theories to be impossible. (Stones can’t fall from the sky; washing hands between surgeries has no health benefit; electricity in space doesn’t do anything.) They especially resist “cognitive blowback,” as when a new theory is reluctantly considered for explaining new evidence, but obvious implications for re-explaining already-explained phenomena are rejected out of hand.

The jet activity in M87 is explained in analogy with eruptive activity of volcanoes on Earth. What we know locally is applied to understanding similar phenomena in deep space. (Bear in mind that “similarity,” like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. In this case, it’s a human eye: What we see is a selection effect of biological senses and historical habits of interpretation. Doubt is always in order.)

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at the end of the 1st decade of the 21 st century the population of an etire world is being official informed:

What we know locally is applied to understanding similar phenomena in deep space.
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I'm wondering if the plasma column has anything to do with the Djed pillars and the tree of life in myth. Could it be that they are this plasma column? How many more myths and legends are based off atmospheric phenomena such as aurora and the intense plasma instabilities of the past?
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OMG...
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Just a quick cross reference to a current thread.

Thread: What these artists saw in the skies of ancient days, is coming again... (Page 3)

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So I stumbled onto this today while searching for new information about cosmic rays and lightning. Interesting, to say the least. Check out the .PDF for images and have a look for yourselves.

The discovery that objects from the Neolithic or Early Bronze Age carry patterns associated with high-current Z-pinches provides a possible insight into the origin and meaning of these ancient symbols produced by man. This paper directly compares the graphical and radiation data from high-current Z-pinches to these patterns. The paper focuses primarily, but not exclusively, on petroglyphs. It is found that a great many archaic petroglyphs can be classified according to plasma stability and instability data. As the same morphological types are found worldwide, the comparisons suggest the occurrence of an intense aurora, as might be produced if the solar wind had increased between one and two orders of magnitude, millennia ago.

ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton
thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km above
Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial
spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora.

Concomitant with the artificial aurora was a degradation of
radio communications over wide areas of the Pacific, lightning discharges, destruction of electronics in monitoring satellites, and an electromagnetic pulse that affected some power circuitry as far away as Hawaii.

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A. Lightning
Strong electrical discharges are associated with intense inflowing charged particles. This is the lightning most often seenin connection with atmospheric discharges whose tortuosity are the jagged and complex light strokes seen in the sky and accompanied by the sound of the shock wave.

B. Heteromacs
Kukushkin and Rantsev-Kartinov at the Kurchatov Institute, Moscow, Russia, found that, based on fractal dimension analysis of experimental data from plasma pinches, electric current-carrying plasmas are a random fractal medium. The basic building block of this medium was identified by Kukushkin and Rantsev-Kartinov to be an almost-closed helical filamentary plasma configuration called a heteromac [40].

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Petroglyphs frequently appear on the face
of rocks at heights and under conditions which seemed to
render their production impossible without the appliances of
advanced civilization, a large outlay, and the exercise of unusual skill.” Hence, like Humboldt, Mallory perhaps unconsciously subscribes to the idea that petroglyphs are other than primitive ritualistic scratchings [43].

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A discovery that the basic petroglyph morphologies are the
same as those recorded in extremely high-energy-density discharges has opened up a means to unravel the origin of these apparently crude, misdrawn, and jumbled figures found in uncounted numbers around the Earth.

Drawn in heteromac style (Fig. 12), these ancient patterns
could mimic and replicate high-energy phenomena
that would be recorded on a nonerasable plasma display screen. Many petroglyphs, apparently recorded several millennia ago, have a plasma discharge or instability counterpart, some on a one-to-one or overlay basis. More striking is that the images recorded on rock are the only images found in extreme energy density experiments; no other morphology types or patterns are observed [46], [67].

The instability is that associated with an intense current-carrying column of plasma which undergoes both sausage and helix deformations. Such a current would be produced if the solar flux from the Sun were to increase one or two magnitudes or if another source of plasma were to enter the solar system.

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Two important classes of petroglyphs, spirals and concentric
horseshoes, are not discussed in this paper. These map the
Birkeland currents as depicted in Fig. 4 and provide quantitative information on the electrical parameters. These, including solar wind-magnetosphere interactions, are being studied with TRISTAN [8], [24], [69] and will be presented elsewhere.

[link to www.scribd.com]
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If a paid member could do me a favour and add in the image of the plasma column flow around the Earth from Anthony Perrat's second part of the paper [link to www.scribd.com] I would be very grateful, I think something like that is amazing, and it was all put together from using LOS (line of sight) of found petroglyphs with what parts of the sky can be seen and simulated with a super computer. All together, millions of petroglyphs show a gigantic column of light flowing past the Earth. And this was an event witnessed by many people world wide and recored the only way they could or maybe it was more of a communication, petroglyphs outlast books any day.


Hey Xenus I hope this helps you! :) (sorry about the huge size of some of the pics)

Zpinch pics from lab experiments:


Zpinch

Birklandglobe

Ancient Petroglyphs:

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Here are some websites with more info: [link to geoplasma.spaces.live.com]

[link to www.everythingselectric.com]

[link to www.warriorforum.com]
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So you were able to read all 42 pages of this thread, check out all the links and call BS?

Okay then.... sie youtheman Yes, that is sarcasm.
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Forgot about this thread, don't feel like making anymore on the subject for now, so...

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Make sure to read the papers for those interested.

[link to www.scribd.com]

If you liked the paper, email Dr. Perrat and thank him, he has done so much work, I hate to think of how long he spent to achieve so much... He continues the work of Kristian Birkeland, Charles Bruce and Hannes Alfven, scientists who did not get the recognition they deserved while they were alive. Let's not make that mistake again.

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alp@ieeetps.org <- his email.
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Forgot about this thread, don't feel like making anymore on the subject for now, so...

bump

Make sure to read the papers for those interested.

[link to www.scribd.com]

If you liked the paper, email Dr. Perrat and thank him, he has done so much work, I hate to think of how long he spent to achieve so much... He continues the work of Kristian Birkeland, Charles Bruce and Hannes Alfven, scientists who did not get the recognition they deserved while they were alive. Let's not make that mistake again.

[link to www.ieee.org]

alp@ieeetps.org <- his email.
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hugs Xenus this is perhaps a core thread to start on understanding the Electric Universe. Thanks again for all the work of everyone who contributed to this thread.
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Not electric universe... Electricity is negatively charged particles we know as electrons. Plasma cosmology is about plasma, a balanced state of charges!!! A plasma cloud is neutrally charged because it has equal amounts of positive and negative charges, this is not part of EU... By saying electric universe, you are in effect saying the universe is negatively charged and is WRONG. There is more than electrons out there. Little misunderstandings like this can be shaky foundations to your learning. Electric fields have little effect on neutral plasma.
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Not electric universe... Electricity is negatively charged particles we know as electrons. Plasma cosmology is about plasma, a balanced state of charges!!! A plasma cloud is neutrally charged because it has equal amounts of positive and negative charges, this is not part of EU... By saying electric universe, you are in effect saying the universe is negatively charged and is WRONG. There is more than electrons out there. Little misunderstandings like this can be shaky foundations to your learning. Electric fields have little effect on neutral plasma.
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Thank you, point taken.
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[link to www.sslmit.unibo.it]

This is the galactic environment within 1500 light years from Sol, rich of gas clouds.
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Interestingly, the basic forces acting on solar flux ropes are the same as those in laboratory plasma structures such as tokamaks developed to produce controlled fusion energy. The mechanism described by the theory is also potentially applicable to eruptions on other stars.

From [link to www.sciencedaily.com]

Thanks to whatever mod that put this in the news section. Prime example of how laboratory plasma experiments show exactly the same processes as in space, which lends Dr. Anthony Perrat much credibility with his theory and plasma experiments. And how scalable plasma is from labs to space!
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Australian Aborigines 'world's first astronomers'

Professor Ray Norris said widespread and detailed knowledge of the stars had been passed down through the generations by Aborigines, whose history dates back tens of millennia, in traditional songs and stories.

"We know there's lots of stories about the sky: songs, legends, myths," said Norris, an astronomer for Australia's science agency, the Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organization (CSIRO).

"We wondered how much further does it go than that. It turns out also people used the sky for navigation, time-keeping, to mark out the seasons, so it's very practical.

"People were nomadic so when Pleiades (the Seven Sisters star cluster) was up they would move to where the nuts and berries are. Another sign and it would be time to move to the rivers to fish for barramundi, and so on."

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He is confident the Aborigines pre-dated European stargazers, including Britain's astronomy-linked Stonehenge, which is estimated at 3,100 BC, around the age of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

"We've established there is all this astronomy, what I don't know is how far back this goes. If it goes back 10,000 or 20,000 years, that makes (Aborigines) the world's first astronomers," he said.
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No wonder they were treated so badly by the British colonists. Something they knew?
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At the first IEEE International Workshop on Plasma Cosmology held in La Jolla, California, in 1989, Hannes Alfvén reported:

The same basic laws of plasma physics hold from laboratory and magnetospheric heliospheric plasmas out to interstellar and intergalactic plasmas.

In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and the electric currents.

Space is filled with a network of currents which transfer energy and momentum over large or very large distances. The currents often pinch to filamentary or surface currents. The latter are likely to give space, as also interstellar and intergalactic space, a cellular structure.

A number of plasma phenomena, like double layers, critical velocity, pinch effect, and the properties of electric circuits, are of decisive importance. The phenomena mentioned have been known for decades (or even more than a century), but up to now they have almost systematically been ignored in cosmic physics. If they are taken into account, not only interplanetary space but also interstellar and intergalactic space must have a cellular structure.
[link to www.plasma-universe.com]
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I'm wondering if the plasma column has anything to do with the Djed pillars and the tree of life in myth. Could it be that they are this plasma column? How many more myths and legends are based off atmospheric phenomena such as aurora and the intense plasma instabilities of the past?


OMG...
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think also what was heard when the detonations occurred!

in the beginning was the word and it was everywhere...inside outside and all around.


the delicate sound of thunder.

the voice of god?
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If the universe is "god", which technically it has to be, giving birth to stars and all life that we know, it would not have began with a bang, it would have always existed. This is exactly as religious people claim, yet the big bang is a creation myth.

Lightning is pretty loud, wouldn't you agree? Loud booming supersonic shock waves. Lightning is nothing more than superheated atmosphere/air, a plasma. So logically if any big scale events with plasma and high amounts of current would create shock waves and tremendous booms as well as an awesome show of light and colours.

Somewhere along the way, someone has screwed with our knowledge, replacing science with belief and assumption which has people wasting their lives searching for dark matter and other bullshit because our current accepted theories do not match up with reality/the universe.
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I am on my second read through of this thread xenus and am still amazed by all the information. Information that I see being used in small bits here and there in other threads on the forum. I think this thread is by far one of the most significant and important that I have read here to date. One of the things I appreciate most is your ability to keep it as rooted in science and fact as possible. I really appreciate that a lot.

As a child we used to go on camping trips and class trips to the petroglyphs here....they were amazing to me both then and now...maybe in the spring another trip will be in order.

Thanks again....on second time around the information fits together even better hf
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I am on my second read through of this thread xenus and am still amazed by all the information. Information that I see being used in small bits here and there in other threads on the forum. I think this thread is by far one of the most significant and important that I have read here to date. One of the things I appreciate most is your ability to keep it as rooted in science and fact as possible. I really appreciate that a lot.

As a child we used to go on camping trips and class trips to the petroglyphs here....they were amazing to me both then and now...maybe in the spring another trip will be in order.

Thanks again....on second time around the information fits together even better
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yes, everything is within this thread, a blue print of the future
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I am on my second read through of this thread xenus and am still amazed by all the information. Information that I see being used in small bits here and there in other threads on the forum. I think this thread is by far one of the most significant and important that I have read here to date. One of the things I appreciate most is your ability to keep it as rooted in science and fact as possible. I really appreciate that a lot.

As a child we used to go on camping trips and class trips to the petroglyphs here....they were amazing to me both then and now...maybe in the spring another trip will be in order.

Thanks again....on second time around the information fits together even better

yes, everything is within this thread, a blue print of the future

page 41

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Yes. I have read it...almost twice now....interesting on many levels...and as I said...I am greatly appreciative of xenus' ability to stick with 'facts'. Not to mention that I am a huge fan of crediting your source(s).
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I have never seen a petroglyph myself in person, but I know there are many in the outback from the Aboriginal people. I credit the source because people like Anthony Peratt spend so much of their lives doing things like this and yet they rarely ever get the credit and recognition they deserve because it doesn't generate profits... I highly respect people who learn and make discoveries about the world around us instead of pretending they know everything and understand nothing.

We take many things for granted, things we think we know but may not understand fully, it always helps to see things from various perspectives and with certain knowledge things you thought you knew and understood can take on a whole new meaning.

It's a little like hearing a foreign language, you hear it but don't understand it, if you learn it, you then begin to understand what you heard.
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I have never seen a petroglyph myself in person, but I know there are many in the outback from the Aboriginal people. I credit the source because people like Anthony Peratt spend so much of their lives doing things like this and yet they rarely ever get the credit and recognition they deserve because it doesn't generate profits... I highly respect people who learn and make discoveries about the world around us instead of pretending they know everything and understand nothing.

We take many things for granted, things we think we know but may not understand fully, it always helps to see things from various perspectives and with certain knowledge things you thought you knew and understood can take on a whole new meaning.

It's a little like hearing a foreign language, you hear it but don't understand it, if you learn it, you then begin to understand what you heard.
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[link to www.ontarioparks.com]

This is the place I used to go to as a child ....

I agree with your statements wholeheartedly!! This thread took me to new places of understanding thats for sure and although some of it is a little difficult to 'take' I appreciate the knowing more than anything. And I am thankful for the knowledge I gained here...the parts about plasma etc were in themselves eye opening and much appreciated....
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For a long time people assumed because these were carved in rocks they were primitive and had no real meaning because people lacked the understanding of what they were, like a child's drawings. But now it is like saying that the child is a genius who understood things better than any adult. The aboriginal culture here is at least 30,000, up to 60,000 years old, just because they did not have the tools to express what they saw in a way we associate intelligence, does not mean they were stupid or primitive. Merely led simpler lives not full of distractions and meaningless bs.

They witnessed first hand the cosmic forces which shape our world, maybe they didn't understand how they worked but they saw something we haven't yet. People don't seem to care about the goings on in space but our cosmic environment is a major influence on our terrestrial existence. And as we should all know by now, our environment is a major factor of our evolution.

I would like to meet some aboriginal elders and listen to their myths and stories as well as view some petroglyphs but they have been segregated and kept away from most people, it's a shame really. They have no written language and stories tend to be forgotten as the newer generation lose interest in their heritage.

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For a long time people assumed because these were carved in rocks they were primitive and had no real meaning because people lacked the understanding of what they were, like a child's drawings. But now it is like saying that the child is a genius who understood things better than any adult. The aboriginal culture here is at least 30,000, up to 60,000 years old, just because they did not have the tools to express what they saw in a way we associate intelligence, does not mean there were stupid or primitive. They witnessed first hand the cosmic forces which shape our world, maybe they didn't understand how they worked but they saw something we haven't yet. People don't seem to care about the goings on in space but our cosmic environment is a major influence on our terrestrial existence. And as we should all know by now, our environment is a major factor of our evolution.

I would like to meet some aboriginal elders and listen to their myths and stories as well as view some petroglyphs but they have been segregated and kept away from most people, it's a shame really. They have no written language and stories tend to be forgotten as the newer generation lose interest in their heritage.
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I feel that xenus!

In many instances their heritage was something they were told they ought to be ashamed of. My grandmother for instance lived her life ashamed and embarrassed, and very much unaware of her heritage, because her father had lived his life ashamed and embarrassed...it was not 'acceptable' to have ojibwe blood in his time...sad really.

I do think you are correct about their understanding of cosmic events and their depiction on rocks/caves/etc...and it would be wonderful if people could 'stop' and appreciate the significance of it...but very few do...or will I fear...
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Considering what I just found out about Ojibwe it would appear that way.

The Midewiwin Society is well respected as the keeper of detailed and complex scrolls of events, history, songs, maps, memories, stories, geometry, and mathematics.

from ozhibii'iwe (/o/ + /zhibii'/ + /iwe/), meaning "those who keep records [of a Vision]"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

May be worth looking into those scrolls and pictographs/petroglyphs as well as myths and stories.
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Considering what I just found out about Ojibwe it would appear that way.

The Midewiwin Society is well respected as the keeper of detailed and complex scrolls of events, history, songs, maps, memories, stories, geometry, and mathematics.

from ozhibii'iwe (/o/ + /zhibii'/ + /iwe/), meaning "those who keep records [of a Vision]"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

May be worth looking into those scrolls and pictographs/petroglyphs as well as myths and stories.
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I agree. This thread has given me a new found sense of wanting to explore more. As I said...maybe a trip in the spring is in order hf

This is my grandmothers heritage...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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