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Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.

 
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Let's keep this thread going and going

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Bump for one of the most important threads on glp hf
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Something interesting possibly related to plasma.

LONG-DELAY RADIO ECHOES: During the geomagnetic storm of Nov. 27th, a brief but intense G2-class event, amateur radio operator Peter Brogl of Fürth, Germany, experienced a strange phenomenon. Forty-six seconds after he transmitted his call sign at 7 MHz, he received an echo of his own transmission. "At first, I thought someone was playing tricks on me," says Brogl, "but I changed frequency, re-keyed my call sign (DK6NP), and got another echo." This went on for more than an hour, enough time for Brogl to make several recordings. First reported in 1927 by Norwegian civil engineer Jørgen Hals, long-delay radio echoes are rare and poorly understood. Unusual propagation conditions linked to solar storms is one of many possible explanations. Radio operators, if you experienced any similar phenomena on Nov. 27th between 1800 UT and 19:30 UT, please report your observations to Peter Brogl for correlation.
[link to spaceweather.com]

One possible explanation for these signals;

Reflection from distant plasma clouds coming originally from the sun.
Freyman [14] did experiments at 9.9 MHz and detected several thousand echoes of delay up to 16 seconds at times when solar plasma probably entered the magnetosphere.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Plasma "communicates" with radio waves, we can hear them in audio samples created by scientists coming from the sun, stars, saturn, jupiter and other magnetospheres on planets.
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We have had weather coming straight from the arctic the last few days.We rarely get snow and if we do it is generally the first week in January and melts that day.Anything else is exceptional.A few days ago we experienced thunder and lightening and snow together.This snow has not melted yet.Someone on this site also uploaded pictures of lightening discharging over Dublin Bay at the same time with freezing temperatures and snow.This is rare there too.I was wondering if the air from the Arctic could be very negatively charged and very cold presumably meeting the positively charged land would cause the discharged.Though it seems strange to get snow as you would think there would be some heat effect due to the discharge.Though I do not really know whether the plasma produces heat? if indeed it was a plasma discharge? I Presume that plasmas do not produce heat then? Any thoughts or should we put it down to Haarp and political wars or Thors/Zeus thunderbolts.
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We have had weather coming straight from the arctic the last few days.We rarely get snow and if we do it is generally the first week in January and melts that day.Anything else is exceptional.A few days ago we experienced thunder and lightening and snow together.This snow has not melted yet.Someone on this site also uploaded pictures of lightening discharging over Dublin Bay at the same time with freezing temperatures and snow.This is rare there too.I was wondering if the air from the Arctic could be very negatively charged and very cold presumably meeting the positively charged land would cause the discharged.Though it seems strange to get snow as you would think there would be some heat effect due to the discharge.Though I do not really know whether the plasma produces heat? if indeed it was a plasma discharge? I Presume that plasmas do not produce heat then? Any thoughts or should we put it down to Haarp and political wars or Thors/Zeus thunderbolts.
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Do cosmic rays cause lightning?
Decades of electric field measurements made inside thunderstorms have failed to find large enough electric fields to cause a spark, even when the effects of precipitation are taken into account. Since we know that lightning does occur—in fact, it strikes the earth about four million times a day—we must be missing something in our understanding.

A mechanism proposed by Russian physicist Alex V. Gurevich of the Lebedev Physical Institute and his collaborators suggest that the movement of large showers of energetic particles produced by high-energy cosmic rays—which originate from exploding stars halfway across the galaxy—might provide a conductive path that initiates lightning. There are indeed types of particle detectors called spark chambers that exploit this principle. In a spark chamber, a very large voltage is applied across a small gap filled with a gas. The resulting electric field is large enough to cause the gap to break down (or spark), so long as there exist some free electrons to get the whole process going. Think of loose rocks ready to fall down the side of a mountain. In order to get an avalanche going, all that is needed is the first moving rock. Similarly, when a charged particle (the first rock) passes through the gap, the ionization it leaves behind will cause a spark, which more or less follows the particle's path. For these kinds of detectors, the location of the spark can be used to identify when and where the charged particle went through.

On the other hand, the case of thunderstorms and lightning is slightly different. Unlike the spark chamber, the electric fields inside the thunderstorm do not appear to be big enough to initiate a spark, so in order for Gurevich's mechanism to do the job, he had to suppose that there were many, many charged particles passing through the storm at once. Because cosmic-ray air showers do not produce enough particles by themselves, Gurevich postulated that the thunderstorm gave the cosmic-ray shower a boost by increasing the number of energetic electrons through an exotic process called "runaway breakdown."


[link to www.scientificamerican.com]


Gigantic Lightning Jets Shoot from Clouds to Space

Strokes of lightning flashing down towards the ground are a familiar sight during summer thunderstorms, but scientists have capture an image of a rare lightning bolt shooting out upwards from a cloud, almost to the edge of the Earth's atmosphere.

These bolts of upwards lightning, one type among a variety of electrical discharges now known to occur above thunderstaorms, are called gigantic jets, and were only first discovered in 2001.

Since then, only about 10 gigantic jets have been observed, said Steven Cummer, who was part of the team that photographed this most recent jet. Gigantic jets are essentially the same as cloud-to-ground lightning, only they go the opposite way.

"Gigantic jets are literally lightning that comes out of the thunderclouds, but instead of going down, like most lightning strokes do, these apparently find their way out the tops of thunderclouds, and then keep going and keep going and keep going until they run into something that stops them," Cummer explained.

The something that stops them is the ionosphere, the topmost layer of the Earth's atmosphere (right at the edge of space), which is made up of electrically charged atoms, or ions.

The observations, detailed Sunday in the online issue of the journal Nature Geoscience, confirm that gigantic jets transfer charge from clouds to the highest layers of the Earth's atmosphere, just as their downwards cousins transfer it to the ground.


[link to www.livescience.com]

Lightning, a high-voltage discharge that strikes quickly and sometimes fatally, is very difficult to study. A new and surprising finding by Florida Institute of Technology's Dr. Joseph Dwyer and his team brings the study of lightning research into the laboratory.

Already noted for his discoveries related to x-ray emission from natural and triggered lightning, Dwyer, an associate professor of physics and space sciences, conducted a related experiment recently. He was shocked to find that laboratory-generated sparks make x-rays, too.

"We know that x-rays are made in outer space--in exotic places like the center of the sun and supernovae--but we didn't think they could be made so easily in the air," said Dwyer. "The results should allow for the detailed laboratory study of runaway breakdown, a mechanism that may play a role in thunderstorm electrification, lightning initiation and propagation, and terrestrial gamma-ray flashes."


[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

A lightning researcher at the University of Bath has discovered that during thunderstorms, giant natural particle accelerators can form 40 kilometers above the surface of the Earth.

On April 14, Dr. Martin Fullekrug presented his new work at the RAS National Astronomy Meeting (NAM 2010) in Glasgow.

When particularly intense lightning discharges in thunderstorms coincide with high-energy particles coming in from space (cosmic rays), nature provides the right conditions to form a giant particle accelerator above the thunderclouds.

The cosmic rays strip off electrons from air molecules and these electrons are accelerated upwards by the electric field of the lightning discharge. The free electrons and the lightning electric field then make up a natural particle accelerator.

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Dr Fullekrug comments: "It's intriguing to see that nature creates particle accelerators just a few miles above our heads. Once these new missions study them in more detail from space we should get a far better idea of how they actually work. They provide a fascinating example of the interaction between the Earth and the wider Universe."

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

Lightning is plasma, emitting x-rays and visible light. The only natural state of matter that can emit light and other EM frequencies. It's also one of my favourite types of plasma. There are many links between cosmic rays and lightning, cosmic ray monitors are known as neutron monitors.

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[link to www.holoscience.com]

Transient Luminous Events

Until recently, it was thought that the dazzling display of light offered by a thunderstorm was confined to the lightning activity in the thunderstorm clouds and between the clouds and the ground. This changed in 1989 with the first scientific documentation of a brilliant optical flash well above a thunderstorm [Franz et al., 1990], following years of intermittent but persistent verbal reports of such high-altitude flashes by pilots and others [Vaughan and Vonnegut, 1989, and references therein]. Publication of the photograph of the flash stoked a great amount of scientific interest in the subject of lightning-associated high-altitude (above cloud) flashes, and within a few years a menagerie of different kinds of flashes had been discovered. The different kinds of flashes were given fanciful names like "sprites" and "elves" to reflect their fleeting and hard-to-catch nature (and to steer clear of names suggesting causative mechanisms which had not yet been pinned down), and the entire category of flashes came to be known as transient luminous events (TLEs).
[link to vlf.stanford.edu]
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Weird weather here too. Today is the first time in my life that I have witnessed thunder and lightning during a heavy snow fall 1dunno1
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[link to www.holoscience.com]

Transient Luminous Events

Until recently, it was thought that the dazzling display of light offered by a thunderstorm was confined to the lightning activity in the thunderstorm clouds and between the clouds and the ground. This changed in 1989 with the first scientific documentation of a brilliant optical flash well above a thunderstorm [Franz et al., 1990], following years of intermittent but persistent verbal reports of such high-altitude flashes by pilots and others [Vaughan and Vonnegut, 1989, and references therein]. Publication of the photograph of the flash stoked a great amount of scientific interest in the subject of lightning-associated high-altitude (above cloud) flashes, and within a few years a menagerie of different kinds of flashes had been discovered. The different kinds of flashes were given fanciful names like "sprites" and "elves" to reflect their fleeting and hard-to-catch nature (and to steer clear of names suggesting causative mechanisms which had not yet been pinned down), and the entire category of flashes came to be known as transient luminous events (TLEs).
[link to vlf.stanford.edu]
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Lightning is one of those things which we take for granted and most people assume we know how it all works. It's laughable that we really know nothing about one of the most common events on Earth, occurring over 3 million times a day around the globe. We used to get thunder storms so often they altered the name to electrical storms, now we rarely ever see lightning. Melbourne is known for having 4 seasons in 1 day but the extreme fluctuations from hot to cold is now getting ridiculous.
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Also interesting to note that since the sun has been extremely low in activity the past few years, so have the thunderstorms. Now the sun is active again and there is more lightning after CMEs and flares, coincidence? The sun emits cosmic rays also. Cosmic rays are simply sub atomic particles like protons and electrons.
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If our magnetic shield,surrounding the planet is strong it should deflect radiation from space.The place where it would get through would be at the magnetic poles? well definitely where the sheild allows radiation in directly vertically.This explains the northern lights .Cosmic rays are everywhere ,they are not stopped by anything,The scientists were going down mines,where all other forms of radiation do not penetrate, to detect them.Thunder and lightening are the energy produced by opposite polartity ions discharging.I suppose the temperature is so cold any heat produced is not enough to stop the water falling as snow.Some heat must be produced from normal strikes as I have seen trees smoldering after a hit by lightening.But not that much really.So I suppose lightening is not hot like flame is hot.It is really like those plasma balls and the same colour light is produced. Thinking aloud.
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I do not remember these events from when I was young.We were not living in such a widespread electrical enviroment though.Interestingly whenever the Greeks and the Scandinavians made their myths the conditions must have been similar,so most probably our electrical use does not have too much effect unless they came fron before the fall.The pictures on the pots above imply that we are ok when the flow is as in the large diagram but not when the protective sheild is cut off.Now what would do that I wonder?
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I suppose a full on strike from a very large flare from the sun.They have drawn the hebrew yod.Yaweh was the hebrew god of thunder originally.No wonder there are all those empty tunnels around the world.Not by ice but by fire.
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Radio signals from Jupiter are not a sign of extraterrestrial intelligence. They occur naturally, caused by plasma instabilities in Jupiter's magnetosphere and fueled by powerful electric currents that flow between Jupiter and the volcanic moon Io. These radio bursts are so powerful, they can be picked up with simple antennas and receivers.
[link to spaceweather.com]

Not a sign of intelligence and yet the communications in space are never explained, only explained away.
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Arsenic Life Is Nice; Living Clouds Are Nicer

To life as we know it, with carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, sulfur and phosphorous, we can now add life with arsenic. Dr. Felisa Wolfe-Simon fed a little bacterium daily doses of the dread element, and the little guy slurped it up, chucked most of its phosphorous, and became an arsenic-creature. "It's a really nice story about adaptability of our life form," chemist Gerald Joyce told the New York Times, "It gives food for thought about what might be possible in another world."

Well, here's one possibility. The otherwise sane and respected astrobiologist David Grinspoon has been considering that under the right circumstances, clouds could become living things. With intelligence, even. Carl Sagan thought so, too.

A living thing, it is thought, needs to feed, grow, copy and evolve and persist. It needs some kind of shape. Clouds can do all that, says David Grinspoon. Though they look hazy and random here on Earth, they contain levels of order, they hold themselves together, they move around, they have routines. They can, in theory, produce increasingly complex forms of themselves.

Imagine a cloud of stellar dust several light years across quietly drifting through space. Powered by its own bursting stars feeding it oxygen, carbon, life-giving chemistries, could it not become a slightly lonely but vastly oversized life form? An enormous space traveler?


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I seems like I am not the only one who think it's very possible that plasma clouds can be considered living. Carl Sagan thought to so, I'd like to look into that more.
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[link to www.newscientist.com]

Not sure if this article has been linked, but if so please disregard as I came across it reading something else. Its hard to keep track sometimes of things that have and have not been posted hf
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[link to science.howstuffworks.com]

Although it is a spin off about plasma crystals, reading this helped me to understand better why the newest discovery of arsenic based life is such a big deal!!!

Always redefining things....might better have a disclaimer attached to everything that says 'we dont really know' :)
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So I stumbled onto this today while searching for new information about cosmic rays and lightning. Interesting, to say the least. Check out the .PDF for images and have a look for yourselves.

The discovery that objects from the Neolithic or Early Bronze Age carry patterns associated with high-current Z-pinches provides a possible insight into the origin and meaning of these ancient symbols produced by man. This paper directly compares the graphical and radiation data from high-current Z-pinches to these patterns. The paper focuses primarily, but not exclusively, on petroglyphs. It is found that a great many archaic petroglyphs can be classified according to plasma stability and instability data. As the same morphological types are found worldwide, the comparisons suggest the occurrence of an intense aurora, as might be produced if the solar wind had increased between one and two orders of magnitude, millennia ago.

ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton
thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km above
Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial
spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora.

Concomitant with the artificial aurora was a degradation of
radio communications over wide areas of the Pacific, lightning discharges, destruction of electronics in monitoring satellites, and an electromagnetic pulse that affected some power circuitry as far away as Hawaii.

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A. Lightning
Strong electrical discharges are associated with intense inflowing charged particles. This is the lightning most often seenin connection with atmospheric discharges whose tortuosity are the jagged and complex light strokes seen in the sky and accompanied by the sound of the shock wave.

B. Heteromacs
Kukushkin and Rantsev-Kartinov at the Kurchatov Institute, Moscow, Russia, found that, based on fractal dimension analysis of experimental data from plasma pinches, electric current-carrying plasmas are a random fractal medium. The basic building block of this medium was identified by Kukushkin and Rantsev-Kartinov to be an almost-closed helical filamentary plasma configuration called a heteromac [40].

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Petroglyphs frequently appear on the face
of rocks at heights and under conditions which seemed to
render their production impossible without the appliances of
advanced civilization, a large outlay, and the exercise of unusual skill.” Hence, like Humboldt, Mallory perhaps unconsciously subscribes to the idea that petroglyphs are other than primitive ritualistic scratchings [43].

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A discovery that the basic petroglyph morphologies are the
same as those recorded in extremely high-energy-density discharges has opened up a means to unravel the origin of these apparently crude, misdrawn, and jumbled figures found in uncounted numbers around the Earth.

Drawn in heteromac style (Fig. 12), these ancient patterns
could mimic and replicate high-energy phenomena
that would be recorded on a nonerasable plasma display screen. Many petroglyphs, apparently recorded several millennia ago, have a plasma discharge or instability counterpart, some on a one-to-one or overlay basis. More striking is that the images recorded on rock are the only images found in extreme energy density experiments; no other morphology types or patterns are observed [46], [67].

The instability is that associated with an intense current-carrying column of plasma which undergoes both sausage and helix deformations. Such a current would be produced if the solar flux from the Sun were to increase one or two magnitudes or if another source of plasma were to enter the solar system.

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Two important classes of petroglyphs, spirals and concentric
horseshoes, are not discussed in this paper. These map the
Birkeland currents as depicted in Fig. 4 and provide quantitative information on the electrical parameters. These, including solar wind-magnetosphere interactions, are being studied with TRISTAN [8], [24], [69] and will be presented elsewhere.

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HINT: Get to the point and drop all the psycho babble terms. No one will listen to you if you're not smart enough to summarize and state things in plain english
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hi Xenus, in relation to your Jupiter video, here is another video...but about Saturn.



Off I went a searching; found this, kind of cool.

[link to ahrcanum.wordpress.com]

Saturn’s auroras obtained between 2005-2009 to show that, not only do the radio emissions pulse, but the auroras beat in tandem with the radio.

“This is an important discovery for two reasons,” Dr Nichols said. “First, it provides a long-suspected but hitherto missing link between the radio and auroral emissions, and second, it adds a critical tool in diagnosing the cause of Saturn’s irregular heartbeat.”

Auroras, more commonly known as the “northern lights” on Earth, are caused when charged particles in space are funnelled along a planet’s magnetic field into the planet’s upper atmosphere near the poles, whereupon they impact theatmospheric particles and cause them to glow. This happens when a planet’s magnetic field is stressed by, for example, the buffeting from the stream of particles emitted by the Sun, or when moons such as Enceladus or Io expel material into the near-planet space.



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HINT: Get to the point and drop all the psycho babble terms. No one will listen to you if you're not smart enough to summarize and state things in plain english
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STFU...if you're to lazy to think for yourself, go watch your Justin Beiber videos.
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HINT: Get to the point and drop all the psycho babble terms. No one will listen to you if you're not smart enough to summarize and state things in plain english


STFU...if you're to lazy to think for yourself, go watch your Justin Beiber videos.
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lmao

I was going to say...xenus, in my view, is one of the few that really does seem to be able to explain the science he reads in plain english and takes the time to do so 1dunno1


...did you have to bring that kid into it though LOL!! No to the bieber putin

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lmao...that was what you call spontaneous writing...
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Always amazed at how many threads have elements of this thread. The thread about "Giant Stealth Planet" story on Yahoo right now!!! Thread: "Giant Stealth Planet" story on Yahoo right now!!!

There was a post about the petroglyphs that have been found and also a brief mention about plasma.

Just giving this thread a bump as this is really a "must read" to help connect all the dots in this crazy world.

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HINT: Get to the point and drop all the psycho babble terms. No one will listen to you if you're not smart enough to summarize and state things in plain english


STFU...if you're to lazy to think for yourself, go watch your Justin Beiber videos.
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I was going to recommend using a dictionary and tell him to learn instead of being force fed dumbed down information... To me the terms used ARE plain English. Some can be technical jargon but what field of science doesn't have those? We all have access to the Internet, there should be no excuse for not being able to look them up and learn. We can get virtually any information we want with the Internet and within seconds, the only way people do not know something these days is out of ignorance and not caring. They are simply too used to having their minds filled with useless drivel.

hi Xenus, in relation to your Jupiter video, here is another video...but about Saturn.



Off I went a searching; found this, kind of cool.

[link to ahrcanum.wordpress.com]

Saturn’s auroras obtained between 2005-2009 to show that, not only do the radio emissions pulse, but the auroras beat in tandem with the radio.

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Plasma instabilities within magnetosphere are the main cause of radio emissions. There are also other more mysterious radio waves.

[link to www.newscientist.com]

Not sure if this article has been linked, but if so please disregard as I came across it reading something else. Its hard to keep track sometimes of things that have and have not been posted hf
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Not that exact article. I have the information in another thread and also sickscent's new thread;
Thread: 99.9% of the Universe Displays - Life-Like, Self-Organizing Properties, has Tendency to Form Cellular/Filamentary Structures - PLASMA

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Re: Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
Found a site that may have been posted previously. But for those that wish to understand the Plasma Universe here is great site in easy to understand language.

[link to www.plasma-universe.com]


What is plasma? We're familiar with solids, liquids and gases, such as solid ice, liquid water and gaseous steam. But heat atoms more, and they 'split' into free ions and electrons: a plasma, e.g., the electrified aurora, above.




The visible Universe is 99.999% plasma. The Sun is about 100% plasma, as are all stars. Plasma makes up nearly 100% of the interplanetary, interstellar and intergalactic medium. The Earth's ionosphere is plasma.




Plasma react very strongly to electromagnetic forces, and is the dominant force in many cosmic plasmas, e.g. stellar surfaces, active galactic nuclei, interplanetary, interstellar and intergalactic space




Space plasma moving through a magnetic field generates its own electric current, can act as a unipolar inductor, and conducts electricity better than metals, e.g. the heliospheric current sheet above, and Birkeland currents.





Strong radial magnetic fields can make a plasma pinch like the hourglass-shaped nebula above; produce characteristic filaments like in the plasma ball (top row); and produce particle beams as seen in the dense plasma focus.
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Re: Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
Just something I like to point out again. How these scientists simulated what would happen if a denser cloud(let) was pushing in on the heliopshere and here we have evidence of that exact thing occurring right now. Not to mention what IBEX has found at the heliopsheric boundary.

Study of changes in the Solar
Environment
M.N. Vahia1
1 Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Homi Bhabha Road,
Colaba, Mumbai 400 005, INDIA email: vahia@tifr.res.in

Abstract

Recent studies have shown that the local environment of the Sun is a complex one with
the presence of several supernova shock bubbles and interstellar clouds. Even within this
environment, the Sun is moving with a velocity of about 15 km/s toward the interior of
the galaxy. We examine the changes in the local ISM environment experienced by the Sun
in the past and then discuss the interaction of the Sun with these different environments.
Lastly, we enquire how this must have changed the cosmic ray environment of the earth
since this remains one of the few methods to test the changes in the local ISM environment
over astronomical time scales.

1 Introduction

Recent studies of the local interstellar medium reveal that the Sun is in a complex environment
where at least three and probably more bubbles or cavities of probable supernova
origin are interacting (see e.g. Breitschwerdt, 2001, Frisch, 1995, 1998, Maiz-Apellaniz,
2001, Smith and Cox, 2001, and references therein).
Reviews by Frisch (1998, 1995) have mapped the local interstellar matter (LISM) from
several observations based on back scattering and extinction of soft X-rays coming from
nearby sources. These maps show that the local interstellar medium is largely governed
by a collection of at least three large bubbles or super bubbles that seem to be shells of
supernova remnants of age between 5 and 10 Million years. A large bubble in which the Sun
seems to be sitting is referred to as local bubble.
These observations have been re-enforced
by radio observations of more recent studies based on the measurements of the turbulence in
the nearby pulsar radio emission due to the LISM plasma (Ramesh Bhat and Gupta, 2002,
Ramesh Bhat, Gupta and Pramesh Rao, 2001). They have modeled the inferred plasma
distribution into a 3 component model that gives a description of the LISM derived from Xray
observations. Redfield and Linsky (2002) have attempted to study the UV observations
of FeII, MgII and CaII to determine the structure of the LISM up to 100 pc. they have
shown that combined studies of absorption features and Doppler shifts indicate a fairly non
uniform distribution of the LISM. Further high resolution studies in ultraviolet (Shelton,
2002) and infrared bands (Franco, 2002) from select regions show that there is evidence of
hot but quiescent plasma in the LISM.
A more detailed compilation of the H lines in the
Milky Way by Haffner (2002) has shown that conditions of the warm interstellar medium
and diffuse ionised gas suggest a rich mix of filamentary structures in the ISM.
Similarly,
first results from the FUSE mission (Moos et al., 2002) suggest that UV emission in the the
warm component of the local bubble is homogeneous indicating an old bubble.
Some of these shells seem to be disintegrating and forming fluffy clouds that are drifting
within these shells or loops
(see also Ricardo and Beckman, 2001; Seth and Linsky, 2001; Smoker et al., 2002). Meisel, Diego and Mathews (2002) have calculated the detailed
trajectories of several dust grains approaching the sun and shown that they are indeed of
interstellar origin.
The dust content of the bubble have been estimated from the Ulysses by
Ingrid and Hirshi (2002).
These observations are in good agreement of models with the ISM that involve several
shells in dynamic equilibrium between slowly dying supernova remnants of age of the order
of a few million years (e.g. Smith and Cox, 2001) that are slowly disintegrating into small
clouds.
 Quoting: Xenus 


Terrestrial atmospheric effects induced by counterstreaming dense interstellar cloud material

A. Yeghikyan1 - H. Fahr2


1 - Byurakan Astrophysical Observatory, 378433, Byurakan, Armenia
2 - Institute of Astrophysics and Extraterrestrial Research (IAER), University of Bonn, Auf dem Huegel 71, 53121 Bonn, Germany

Received 15 April 2004 / Accepted 26 May 2004

Abstract

The Solar System during its life has travelled more than 10 times through dense interstellar clouds with particle concentrations of 102-103 and more, compressing the heliosphere to heliopause dimensions smaller than 1 AU and thus bringing the Earth in immediate contact with the interstellar matter. For cloud concentrations greater than of 102 , the flowing interstellar material even at the Earth`s orbit remains completely shielded from solar wind protons and would only be subject to solar photoionization processes. We have developed a 2D-two-fluid gas-dynamical numerical code to describe the hydrodynamical behavior of the incoming interstellar gas near the Earth, taking into account both the photoionization and the gravity of the Sun. As we show, the resulting strongly increased neutral hydrogen fluxes ranging from 109 to 1011 cause substantial changes in the terrestrial atmosphere. During the phase of the immersion into the cloud the resulting flux of neutral hydrogen incident on the terrestrial atmosphere in the steady state would be balanced by the upward escape flux of H-atoms and the downward flux of water molecules, which is the product of the atmospheric hydrogen-oxygen chemistry via even-odd reaction schemes. In that case hydrogen acts as a chemical agent to remove oxygen atoms and to cause ozone concentration reductions above 50 km by a factor of 1.5 at the stratopause to about a factor of 1000 and more at the mesopause. Thus, depending on the specific encounter parameters the high mixing ratio of hydrogen in the Earth's atmosphere may substantially decrease the ozone concentration in the mesosphere and may trigger an ice age of relatively long duration.

1 Introduction

From time to time, the Solar System on its galactic itinerary encounters various galactic objects, e.g. spiral arms (Leitch & Vasisht 1998; Shaviv 2003), star clusters and associations (Innanen 1996), galactic diffuse clouds (H I) and giant molecular clouds (GMC) (Talbot & Newman 1977), etc. Although all encounter probabilities are finite, only a few of them are high enough to make it worthwhile to consider them. All of these mentioned events correspond to different mean travel times of the solar system between consecutive encounters with the corresponding objects, e.g. depending on their distributions in the galactic plane, their sizes and their peculiar velocities. For example, neutral H I clouds, having a mean number density in the range from 10 to 100 and a radius of about a few pc, are objects fairly frequently encountered by the Sun, perhaps over 100 times since its birth 4.6 Gyr ago. The more dense GMCs, having densities of 103 or more, probably must have been encountered by the Sun about 5-10 times (see e.g., Talbot & Newman 1977). When such events happen (especially in the case of GMCs) the solar wind expansion region must be reduced to small scales, and the flow of solar coronal matter hence must be deflected into the heliotail within distances of less than 1 AU. Thus the Earth under these conditions should inevitably be immersed in the direct flow of the cloud material (see Yeghikyan & Fahr 2003), at least during its upwind orbital passage. Concerning this aspect it is interesting to note that Wimmer-Schweingruber & Bochsler (2000) have recently given clear hints that gas constituents implanted in cristalline surface layers of lunar soil grains can be taken as a record of encounters with dense interstellar clouds.


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 Quoting: Xenus 


Cosmic RaysHit Space Age High

1. The sun's magnetic field is weak. "There has been a sharp decline in the sun's interplanetary magnetic field down to 4 nT (nanoTesla) from typical values of 6 to 8 nT," he says. "This record-low interplanetary magnetic field undoubtedly contributes to the record-high cosmic ray fluxes." [data]

2. The solar wind is flagging. "Measurements by the Ulysses spacecraft show that solar wind pressure is at a 50-year low," he continues, "so the magnetic bubble that protects the solar system is not being inflated as much as usual." A smaller bubble gives cosmic rays a shorter-shot into the solar system. Once a cosmic ray enters the solar system, it must "swim upstream" against the solar wind. Solar wind speeds have dropped to very low levels in 2008 and 2009, making it easier than usual for a cosmic ray to proceed. [data]

3. The current sheet is flattening. Imagine the sun wearing a ballerina's skirt as wide as the entire solar system with an electrical current flowing along its wavy folds. It's real, and it's called the "heliospheric current sheet," a vast transition zone where the polarity of the sun's magnetic field changes from plus to minus. The current sheet is important because cosmic rays are guided by its folds. Lately, the current sheet has been flattening itself out, allowing cosmic rays more direct access to the inner solar system.
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Scientists from the Space Research Centre of the Polish Academy of Sciences, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Southwest Research Institute, and Boston University suggest that the ribbon of enhanced emissions of energetic neutral atoms, discovered last year by the NASA Small Explorer satellite IBEX, could be explained by a geometric effect coming up because of the approach of the Sun to the boundary between the Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot gas called the Local Bubble. If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years.

First full-sky maps of the emissions of energetic neutral atoms (ENA), obtained last year by IBEX, showed a surprising arc-like feature called the Ribbon. This astonishing discovery was later announced by NASA as one of the most important findings in space exploration made in 2009. Shortly after the discovery six hypotheses were proposed to explain the Ribbon, all of them predicting its relation to processes going on within the heliosphere or in its neighborhood. In a paper recently published in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, a Polish-US team of scientists led by Prof. Stan Grzedzielski from the Space Research Centre of the Polish Academy of Sciences in Warsaw, Poland, offers a different explanation. "We observe the Ribbon," says Grzedzielski "because the Sun is approaching a boundary between our Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot and turbulent gas."
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
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Xenus: I think I noticed a quote from it after ...so much info available it gets hard to keep track at times. Not to mention reading about so many things at once...as a side note and off topic...I have dug and dug through all my Lachlan info and found no Sonja...although I thought I had seen the name before it seems I was mistaken ...

Smilin: Great link and site hf
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12/06/2010 04:57 PM
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Re: Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.
The Black Cloud, by Fred Hoyle. An interesting sci-fi novel... to say the least. Half way through it and it's about an interstellar cloud that is heading to Earth and the sun.

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