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Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.

 
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This was the thread I have been waiting on....

The others out there and you know who you are ......read and understand this one carefully...

Something is very close now..
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Remember that comet, holmes, that flared up and it was the biggest object in our solar system at one point, bigger (slightly, lol?) than even the sun. The tails of comets, it's all plasma... plasma interacting with magnetic fields and such. Electromagnetic radiation is a by-product of plasma.
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Yep. Comet Holmes was "reacting" to something. Just like all the other perturbations being observed. They are "reacting" to this influx of unknown energy.
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I expect the proportion who were religious then and now is about the same.I read a science fiction story when I was young.It was about a space ship which left the Earth to go to aplanet a long way away.Generations passed and the people who knew where they were going and what was the aim died .The roles of the Engineer ,Captain became altered into Priest and King .Of the details I am no longer sure.Eventually they came to the planet and the ship landed as it was on automatic.I have remembered the outline for many years and looking back as it seems to be a discription of Earth on her spiral journey through time.We have forgotten what the aim and meanings of the information from the past.We can no longer interpret the message.The World has beguiled us .
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As I said earlier it could be the Photon belt that was predicted.It seems like nonsense to scientists but I am afraid we cannot throw away intuition and just concentrate on logic and analysis.The two together are unbeatable.CP Snow made a big mistake when he said that we could be only a scientist or an artist .This went through the mainstream thought through the 50's 60's to the detriment of both.The geniuses amongst us can do both and they may be who we need to make the creative leaps.The renaissance is upon us.As the Hoppis say we must jump into the( creative ) water and go with the flow.
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I have an idea for a sci-fi story, I used to write fiction for my writing course, about the moon itself being a spaceship of sorts. I don't really feel at home here, but maybe that's because I'm not very social and I have issues with dealing with people usually.

I was really interested in that doco someone posted on youtube with the 3 races, 3 gods, poseideon, zues and hades, each given 1/3 of the earth. I enjoy all the myths and legends, I can't get enough of them.
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The Tower of Bable was put there to confuse us.Physists think of the photon as one thing.Not what the Photon belt people mean .Yet there description may be accurate but not about the photon as scientists know it.We must look at what is described not the name of the belt.I first read about it in thye book "You are becoming a Galactic Human".What scientst would reada title like that that except the rebel me and perhaps Greg Brandon.
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Bable + bible?
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Babel = bible
bible =bib el the bib of God.I had better go no further.
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The Trinity is a facet of before Christianity.When the Goddess was here before there was the virgin ,the lady and the crone.There are many tales about the virgin and the crone.The lady disppears as I expect she was rearing the next generation, what could be more important?We have brought the Trinity forward into Christianity.Before then human sacrifice was normal the victim died the triple death. Whatever anyone says about Chritianity it has brought us away from things that I for one should never like to see happening again.When they founded a city or built a bridge they sacrificed ,usually the first born.I am afraid the souls are still trapped there.This blood lust is I think from the catastrophes which haunt our psyches to this very day and which we must try and heal as a matter of urgency.
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Basically, attributing natural phenomenon to the gods was (and still is in some respects) man's way of trying to make sense of his world. And in saying that "god" is somehow in control of everything allows man to have some control of his own.

Because if he can do right, appease god, then maybe it won't happen. Man likes to have control. It's tough to face the fact that we don't.
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I'm going to repeat this here.
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Yes I can agree with that in the old times.This is what happened most of the time through the old testament.Also the Aztecs etc.Humanity I am sure were suffering from a horrible traumatic event.One could say that the coming of Christ was an attempt to heal this fracturing of the human soul.Though wa are continually seeing events of horrible brutality occuring.
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The Native Americans I think it is said that there are 2 brothers , at the poles ,who keep the earth rotating.The snake who is wrapped around the world could be the gulf stream which we see sometimes on our weather forcasts.Dragons could be the auroraborealis
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The Native Americans I think it is said that there are 2 brothers , at the poles ,who keep the earth rotating.The snake who is wrapped around the world could be the gulf stream which we see sometimes on our weather forcasts.Dragons could be the auroraborealis
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Yeah and don't the Chinese have a lot of dragon myth also? Aurora were dragons of the sky. The giant serpent from Aboriginal myth in Australia... the symbol and myths are now starting to make sense... there is of course more to it.
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The Vedic "Churning of the Milky Ocean":

As time and the heavens move endlessly in Indra's home of the universe there are apparently few people on earth today who realize that a large celestial occurrence is taking place between our solar system and the Milky Way galaxy. The ancient cultures were well aware of these celestial movements and discussed them for thousands of years until those stories of the secrets of the heavens became abandoned and neglected. Few today would consider that the center of our Milky Way galaxy could transform the way humans thought about themselves in the universe.

The churning of the milky ocean is one of those exalted myths that if understood would allowed humans to travel freely in the universe, and if those humans knew how to read the stars that moved in the heavens they could also achieve immortality.

[link to a-pilgrimage-to-vat-phu.blogspot.com]
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this is a good place to start

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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How can we confirm Anthony L. Perrat's reply about the dense plasma cloud we are drifting into/it drifting into us? I have no reason to doubt him and he really has no reason to lie to me... It's not like it's just a tiny asteroid whizzing past... it's a stellar dense plasma cloud... charged particles (electrons, protons, basically cosmic rays and more) creating magnetic fields and electric fields, contained within a magnetic field itself... plasma is incredibly hot...

Another strange thought, the way plasma is contained within a field, like we are contained within our bodies. The particles within the plasma are chaotic and seemingly alive.
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[link to www.spaceref.ca]

[link to www.astrobio.net]

Sorry. I don't have time to read them right now. On my way to work. If they don't help, I'll remove them later.
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the key to the past is to be willing to know
that in a newtonian universe nothing can go
accept as a fact that gravity is not king
it`s then that our myths can begin to sing
planets once free to not stay in one spot
makes sense of history as you get the plot
this is new to all others as it is to you
one hundred plus years since the notion occured
within our secret societies something stirred
all that were touched soon began to achnowledge
secrets they kept made sense with this knowledge
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the russian anthony l. perrat

DR. ALEXEY N. DMITRIEV

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the key to the past is to be willing to know
that in a newtonian universe nothing can go
accept as a fact that gravity is not king
it`s then that our myths can begin to sing
planets once free to not stay in one spot
makes sense of history as you get the plot
this is new to all others as it is to you
one hundred plus years since the notion occured
within our secret societies something stirred
all that were touched soon began to achnowledge
secrets they kept made sense with this knowledge
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Makes you wonder whether some make the choice to NOT advance?
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Science in Turmoil - Are we Funding Fraud?
by Dr. Jeremy Dunning-Davies
September 26, 2009
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

$Billions Sucked into Black Holes - Science in the Present Time
by Dr. Jeremy Dunning-Davies
March 13, 2008
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

The Overrated "Masters" of the Universe
03/27/08
[link to blog.lege.net]

Dr. Jeremy Dunning-Davies is a Senior Lecturer in Theoretical Physics in the Department of Physics at the University of Hull, England. He is Chairman of both the Santilli - Einstein Academy of Sciences, and the Santilli - Galilei Association on Scientific Truth and is also a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society.
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the communists needed to prove man was all powerful
capitalists knew that their architect was fearful
the race was continued through world war two
germans discovered that occult ether was true
in the eighties the russians knew torsion was king
by this time the capitalists knew the same thing
the major question that is tricky to be resolved
how to apply the knowledge after what we were told
this problem is the root of all that you see
when the united nations and others all disagree
it`s not that they know and don`t want to get on
it`s the fact that so few have been told all along
secrets are easier kept than diclosed
this is why almost every door is closed
nature it`s self will settle the dilemma
look to the skys with hope and remember




"torsion field or spin field theories confirm that the spin—spin interactions may be transmitted by or through space like the electromagnetic wave but do not hold any energy or mass but the information only".
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Wait, are you kidding me, can this really happen? Could this dense plasma with the magnetic field cause our own field to be altered and therefore causing all those high density plasma and auroral events. Also severe electrical storms... shitloads of lightning I would imagine.


Current PlanetoPhysical alterations of the Earth are becoming irreversible. Strong evidence exists that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformity's in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System. This "donation" of energy is producing hybrid processes and excited energy states in all planets, as well as the Sun. Effects here on Earth are to be found in the acceleration of the magnetic pole shift, in the vertical and horizontal ozone content distribution, and in the increased frequency and magnitude of significant catastrophic climatic events. There is growing probability that we are moving into a rapid temperature instability period similar to the one that took place 10,000 years ago. The adaptive responses of the biosphere, and humanity, to these new conditions may lead to a total global revision of the range of species and life on Earth. It is only through a deep understanding of the fundamental changes taking place in the natural environment surrounding us that politicians, and citizens a like, will be able to achieve balance with the renewing flow of PlanetoPhysical states and processes.
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The gases that make up Earth's atmosphere came from a swarm of comets, not from bubbling volcanoes as long thought, a new study says.

The new theory came about after scientists discovered that pristine samples of the elements krypton and xenon, recently collected from deep within the Earth, have the same chemical makeup as ancient meteorites.

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

Premature Conclusions?

The new findings, to be published December 11 in the journal Science, also suggest that comets can bring life-giving substances to habitable worlds elsewhere in the universe, experts say.

"What our study shows is there are orbital processes that bring icy bodies [such as comets] from the edges [of a star system] to the inner rocky planets, which don't have much water or volatiles [or substances that vaporize quickly]," Ballentine said.

"We can see a process that is mixing these two planetary regions much more efficiently."

Robert Pepin, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Minnesota, called the team's data "superb." But their conclusions are premature, added Pepin, who was not involved in the study.

For example, even if early Earth did amass its atmosphere from the solar nebula, he said, it's not a given that the planet was able to concentrate any of those gases in its interior.

Stardust's Big Surprise

Dr. Don Brownlee
Stardust Principal Investigator
July 6, 2007

A common expectation among scientists was that the comet samples returned by the Stardust Mission would in fact be composed of stardust, tiny grains that formed around other stars. Many expected that much of the solid matter collected from comet Wild 2 (pronounced Vilt 2) would be aggregates similar to "dirt clods" assembled from tiny grains of glass, minerals and carbon. It was imagined the individual components would be ancient samples of the same material that we see in the night sky as the dark band in the middle of the Milky Way, the edge-on view of our Galaxy. For a variety of reasons it was expected that the individual grains composing the dirt clod structures would be only about a third of a micrometer across or about 0.3 % of the width of a human hair.

The hypothesis that tiny stardust grains would dominate comet dust came from the knowledge that comets formed in the coldest, most distant region of the young solar system. In this cold place the initial building blocks of the solar system, interstellar dust and gas, might survive without modification. When we first looked at the tracks of comet dust captured in silica aerogel, it was clear that they were not solely "dirt clods" of sub- micrometer components. Most of the capture tracks, formed as particles slowed to a stop, were deep and were shaped like carrots. The production of deep tracks requires relatively large strong particles and even when we first opened the capsule we could see with our unaided eyes rather large particles at the ends of some of the tracks. We immediately suspected that the comet contained a sizeable amount of solid material that is much larger than interstellar grains. If the comet dust had been made of the expected dirt-clods composed of tiny stardust grains, they would have produced holes in the aerogel that looked more like shallow bowls than carrots because tiny components stop quickly and cannot travel far in aerogel. Some of the bigger particles found at the ends of the carrot- shaped tracks are a million times more massive than typical stardust grains.

When we started pulling these particles out and examining them in electron microscopes and other instruments, we found even more surprises. First of all we found evidence that the standard astronomical predictions for the origin of dust in comets, or at least the ones in this comet, appear to be incorrect. While we did find stardust grains in the cometary materials, they appear to be only a minor component, at least in the particles larger than a micrometer that were well preserved during high speed capture. This judgment is based on the concept that the isotopic composition of stardust should be different from that of typical solar system materials. This is the way that rare stardust grains have been identified in meteorites and interplanetary dust. Like in meteorites most of the components from the comet have isotopic compositions similar to Earth and are of solar system origin.

We find spectacular silicate crystals in the comet. The presence of crystals in comets was suggested by astronomical observations but the Stardust mission results provide important new insight into their origin and history. When the presence of crystals in comets and in disks of dust orbiting other stars was first observed astronomically it was a mystery because crystals are not detected in interstellar dust (the dust between stars), the building materials that are used to form solar systems and comets. Interstellar dust is composed of glassy materials with no crystalline order. The widely accepted hypothesis for the origin of cometary crystals is that they are interstellar grains that were transformed to crystals by mild warming in the vicinity of the star that they orbit.

The comet samples collected by Stardust contain abundant crystalline minerals and in most cases it is clear that they did not form by the predicted mild heating of interstellar dust. Many are too large, and have complex mineralogical and chemical compositions that could not have formed by this process. Instead of the mild heating that astronomers envisioned the comet samples were heated during their formation to severe temperatures, temperatures high enough to melt or vaporize them. The temperatures above 1300 ¼C and the samples were white hot. This is quite remarkable because the some of the ice components of comets appear to have formed only 30 degrees above absolute zero. The comet is very odd mix of materials that formed at the highest and lowest temperatures that existed in the early solar system. Comets have been cold for billions of years but their ingredients are remarkable products of both fire and ice. Because the rocky materials in comet Wild 2 formed at such high temperatures, we believe that they formed in the hot inner regions of the young solar system and were then transported all the way to beyond the orbit of Neptune. There had been several theories that suggested that such large scale mixing might have occurred and the Stardust results appear to be proof that this large scale mixing did occur and that many of the large rocky particles formed close to the Sun. This implies that while the comets contain ices that formed at the edge of the solar system, the rocky materials that actually make up the bulk of a comet's mass actually formed in the hottest possible conditions. The inner solar system can be thought of as a factory producing rocky materials that were distributed outwards to all the bodies and regions of the solar system.
[link to stardust.jpl.nasa.gov]



Are comets and such created by plasma?
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"Cometary phenomena are not a simple mechanical effect of an object plowing through a thin gas. Comets are an electrical phenomenon where the comet nucleus is a negative cathode in the Sun's plasma discharge.

Characteristically, cathodes tend to jet matter into the plasma to form spectacular comas and tails.

Stars may become comets in the process of electrical capture by a more highly charged star".

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Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High
NASA 09.29.2009

"In 2009, cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we've seen in the past 50 years," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech. "The increase is significant, and it could mean we need to re-think how much radiation shielding astronauts take with them on deep-space missions."

[link to science.nasa.gov]
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Comets (Extended ver) Plasma Cosmology Electric Universe

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“Our clouds take their orders from the stars,” says the Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark. That's the amazing and provocative discovery
reported here. Most experts thought the idea was crazy.

The film records ten years of effort by the small team in Copenhagen that, in the end, solved the mystery of how the Galaxy and the Sun interfere in our everyday weather.


It's provocative because Dr Svensmark's revelations challenge the belief of most climate theorists that carbon dioxide has been the main driver of global warming. As a result he has faced never-ending opposition.

But strong support for the cosmic view of climate change comes from astronomer Nir Shaviv and geologist Jan Veizer. In the film they tell how the Galaxy has governed the Earth's ever-changing climate over 500 million years.

The Cloud Mystery is aimed at a wide audience. Astonishing pictures from our Galaxy, the Sun, and cloud formations are mixed with spectacular animations to simplify the science. Comments by astronomers, geologists and climate experts convey their sense of adventure, and give scientific weight to the discoveries presented. The audience is taken on a trip around the world, where scientists from Denmark, Israel, Canada, the USA, and Norway contribute to this exciting story.

Linking all the discoveries is the non-stop rain of cosmic rays – energetic particles from exploded stars that battle with the Sun's magnetic field to reach the Earth. Central in the story is an experiment in a Copenhagen basement. It showed how cosmic rays help to make chemical specks in the air on which water drops condense to make clouds.


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