Petroglyphs, not just simple, crude drawings from ancient man. The truth is stranger then you could ever imagine.

can somebody please tell us what this means to us?

if there was a radiation burst over Norway, does that mean the Norwegians suffered a blast of it....if so, why aren't we hearing about resultant illness???

Great work Xenus

I too definitely appreciate your efforts to share this info.

Another one listening, I found my way here from your follow up to the Norway spiral thread.






What concerns me most is the map posted a page or two back of the petroglyphs that were found, almost all in mountain ranges. If the old stories are to be believed, this is not because that is where the phenomena were concentrated, but because that is where people remained to tell the story.




Notice that I say remained and not lived, as I noticed a lack of glyphs in the Appalachian range. Many possibilities there, perhaps they were unaffected/perished/went the way of the Mayans. Funny that you just found this info a few days ago, a few days ago I finally hashed out my beliefs and this seems to coincide nicely with my understanding of these...interesting...times.

Just reading the second paper now and will add some of the data here that I find interesting. Quotes from the paper:

He quotes Gold first of all here: "This breakdown would be in the form of a series of sparks, burning for extended periods of time and carrying currents of hundreds of millions of amperes. One might search whether there is any geological record of surface fusing and vitrification of rock or sand which cannot be accounted for by volcanic or meteoritec events. Large quantities of glass, far too much to be made by ordinary lightning discharges, are indeed found on the surface in a few places, most notably the Libyan Desert. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to pursue this clue further."

Then he states: "The answer to Gold's question seems to come from an unlikely source: Magnetized plasma from intense solar discharges striking the Earth's space environment as recorded by mankind in antiquity."

Further on:

The first indication that a preferred channel toward polar south is evident in petroglyph-site locations came from aerial and satellite photography.


Still reading :)

Not radiation, dense plasma. I will *try* to explain it all in "layman's" terms, despite being one myself... However not tonight, it's 2 am and I need sleep. Think of the event in Norway as a type of Aurora, you know what an aurora is right? It's kind of like that, only this was far more energetic and aurora just drift about whereas this high density plasma (HDP) event didn't move and was a lot different to the aurora we're used to seeing. People should start brushing up on their plasma physics! :)

In analysis, plasmas are far harder to model than solids, liquids, and gases because they act in a self-consistent manner. The separation of electrons and ions produce electric fields and the motion of electrons and ions produce both electric and magnetic fields. The electric fields then tend to accelerate plasmas to very high energies while the magnetic fields tend to guide the electrons. Both of these mechanisms, the accelerated (or fast) electrons and the magnetic fields produce what is called synchrotron radiation, so called because it was first discovered in large magnetized containers of electrons beams in laboratories on earth.

Because of their self-consistent motions, plasma are rampant with instabilities, chaosity, and nonlinearities. These also produce electric and magnetic fields but also electromagnetic radiation. For example, all beams of electrons produce microwaves. Plasma science has, in turn, spawned new avenues of basic science. Most notably, plasma physicists were among the first to open up and develop the new and profound science of chaos and nonlinear dynamics. Plasma physicists have also contributed greatly to studies of turbulence, important for safe air travel and other applications. Basic plasma science continues to be a vibrant research area. Recent new discoveries have occurred in understanding extremely cold plasmas which condense to crystalline states, the study of high-intensity laser interactions, new highly-efficient lighting systems, and plasma-surface interactions important for computer manufacturing.

This is basically saying that plasma can be detected by detecting synchrotron radiation. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to plasmascience.net] <- awesome site, use it! It's hard to explain a few things unless you know some basic physics. I will try tomorrow though. Thanks for your interest and support :D

Definitely an Awesome sight,

Check out this paper from 1995 .. here they are theorizing about these events.

[link to plasmascience.net]


You must be Aussie too :) G'night

You really do not want to be in my head right now, I tend to always go for the worst case scenario... Starting with the melting of the poles (biblical flood, both floods from the kolbrin) as the dense plasma gets deflected by our shield and dumped onto the poles, just like cosmic rays and coronal holes from the sun do. (See magnetosphere thread)

Plasma is HOT, extremely hot (100,000 deg C), electric and has both electric and magnetic fields. If the magnetic field of the Earth and this plasma are aligned in such a way that allows magnetic reconnection (will post what this is later, or you could google it) the plasma will simply bypass the shield. Then I imagine the atmosphere would try to absorb it, depending on how big it is, that may or may not be very effective, but at the least it will cause extreme weather events and lightning strikes. I just hope it doesn't rain plasma or something... How much room do we have in caves, inside mountains and inside the caverns of the Earth? Enough for 6.7 billion people?



Funny you should mention that, I was discussing the very same concept of melted sand as possible evidence of past dense plasma interaction. I have not yet read the second .pdf myself but I have it on my computer for later.

not scared, that stuff has all been through my head before.


This is making a lot of sense, and you have done a phenomenal job explaining it. The implications are severe, and I don't see how they could possibly avoid the attention of any real doom'n'gloomer, this is about as extreme as it gets.




Your description of the anomalies as an aurora seems apt... An aurora that is contained in a small area and bottled up until it reaches a high enough energy level to cause some crazy visual effects when it "breaks" the energetic structure of the traditional aurora sheet, such as the Norway spiral and those seen in the petroglyphs. Coincidentally, we've already produced the same effects in labs and we call them Z-pinch shapes. (This is all of your doing Xenus, i'm just restating it for posterity.)

Yeah, there is no need to be scared, we all die anyway at some point. I only found this stuff a couple of days ago, so I'm still digesting the information and learning plasma physics as I go. Feel free to make it less confusing, easier to read and understand, now I need to go before I pass out.

a bump and a thank you for your hard work.


stop by GLP chat some time, I'd love to have a word with you.

A basic summation of the second paper is that almost ALL petroglyphs worldwide have a south-facing orientation.

Is that why the interest in the observatories at the South Pole? lol...they're not looking for planet x. They're measuring plasma intensity. And they know what's coming.

Fig. 39 in that paper is pretty cool. Looks similar to the Norway event.

Chiral can you make the information more "user friendly"?

Currently, I am toggling between work screens and GLP (uggg..this place is too addicting).

I have this thread bookmarked so I can comprehend the intricacies of plasma energy and the resultant effects, if earth was "hit" by plasma energies in ancient times and what was the effect then (as evidenced by the petroglyphs).

There are also interesting glyphs in ruins worldwide. Wonder if history is repeating itself.

American Southwest Petroglyphs have distinct ET imagery.

Take a look at this photo from Tsankawi, NM.

[link to www.lizlyle.lofgrens.org]

There are dozens of these spirals all over the site.

The Pueblos say that it represents the Sun.

Not so sure about that now.

This is interesting and does go into detail. Was just able to skim the info right now. Guess what I will be doing tonight? LOL

It also explains the intense interest of past cultures in the observation of the sun, and why many of the structures are aligned to a north south configuration.

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Don't worry. I think plenty of people are interested in what you are saying.

I somehow think we are going to be seeing and experiencing much more than spirals in the sky. People haven't spent billions on bunkers and stocking them, and seed vaults because of some lights shows.

Xenus, I'm sorry man but this is no z-pinch. It's more like you pinched one off on GLP, and frankly it stinks.

This is a rocket everyone, and Xenus you look like an arse.

this is a story you will enjoy i believe

A global myth declares that the world has not always been as it is experienced now. In a former time, man lived in a kind of paradise, close to the gods. It was the Golden Age. Throughout an eternal spring, the earth produced abundantly, free from the seasonal cycles of decay and rebirth. And under this remarkable cosmic order, man experienced neither war nor sickness, neither hunger nor any requirement of human labor.

This recurring and unexplained myth was carried into modern times by primitive races the world over. In Mexico native legends spoke of an ancestral generation whose every need was met, without cost. There was no sickness or hunger no poverty or sadness, and the gods dwelt among men. But this harmonious age didn't last, eventually succumbing to an overwhelming catastrophe.

According to the Cheyenne of North America the original race roamed naked, innocent and free, enjoying the natural abundance of an eternal spring. What followed, however, was an age of flood, war, and famine.

The Caribs of Surinam have a poignant memory of this fortunate epoch. "In a time long past, so long past that even the grandmothers of our grandmothers were not yet born," they say, "the world was quite other than what it is today: the trees were forever in fruit; the animals lived in perfect harmony, and the little agouti played fearlessly with the beard of the jaguar "

The South American Indians of Gran Chaco and Amazonia recall this as the Happy Place, where work was unknown because the fields produced abundance of their own accord.

The Hopi Indians proclaim that in the earliest time they were a marvelously contented race, at peace with their brothers. They knew nothing of sickness or conflict, and all things were provided by Mother Earth without any requirement of labor.

But these are just the American Indian versions of the story.

The aborigines of Australia insist that their first ancestors enjoyed a Golden Age, a Paradise of abundant game and without conflict of any kind.

Northern Europeans once celebrated this earliest age as the "Peace of Frodi," a mythical Danish king. Throughout this peaceful epoch no man injured another and a magical mill ground out peace and plenty for the entire land.

Memories of a Golden Age pervade the myths of Africa. The distinguished folklorist Herman Baumann reported that "Everything that happened in the primal age was different from today. People understood the language of animals and lived at peace with them; they knew no labor and had food in plenitude."

Sacred texts of ancient India recall this as the Krita Yuga or "Perfect Age," without disease, labor, suffering or war. The Iranians called it the age of the brilliant Yima, an age with "neither cold nor heat," an eternal spring. According to ancient Chinese lore, the purest pleasure and tranquillity once reigned throughout the world. Mythical histories called it "the Age of Perfect Virtue" and declared that "the whole creation enjoyed a state of happiness. . . all things grew without labor; and a universal fertility prevailed."

How old, then, is this ancient memory of a lost paradise? In their myths, rites and hymns the ancient Sumerians contrasted their own time to the earliest remembered age--what they called "the days of old," or "that day," when the gods "gave man abundance, the day when vegetation flourished." This was when the supreme god An "engendered the year of abundance." To this primeval age, every Sumerian priest looked back as the reference for the preferred order of things, which
was lost through later conflict and deluge.

In the city of Eridu at the mouth of the Euphrates, the priests recalled a Golden Age prior to familiar history. The predecessors of their race, it was claimed, had formerly reposed in the paradise of Dilmun, called the "Pure Place" of man's genesis. This lost paradise of Dilmun, about which scholars have debated for decades, is strangely reminiscent of the paradise of Eden.

"That place was pure, that place was clean. In Dilmun...the lion mangled not. The wolf ravaged not the lambs," the Sumerian texts read. The inhabitants of this paradise lived in a state of near perfection, in communion with the gods, drinking the waters of life and enjoying unbounded prosperity.

Ancient Egypt, an acknowledged cradle of civilization, preserved a remarkably similar memory. Not just in their religious and mythical texts, but in every sacred activity, the Egyptians incessantly looked backwards, to events of the Zep Tepi. The phrase means the "First Time," a time of perfection "before rage or clamor or strife or uproar had come about," as the texts themselves put it. This was the paradise of Ra, and the memories of that time echoed through centuries of Egyptian thought. "The land was in abundance," the texts say. "There was no year of hunger. . .Walls did not fall; thorns did not pierce in the time of the Primeval Gods."

Or from another text: "there was no unrighteousness in the land, no crocodile seized, no snake bit in the time of the First Gods."

Cosmic harmony, abundance, paradise on earth. To this paradisal, according to the great nineteenth century scholar Francois Lenormant, the Egyptians "continually looked back with regret and envy." The golden age of Ra was, for the Egyptians, the great "example" setting a standard for all later ages.

A surprising fact emerges. The legend of the Golden Age or ancient paradise is as old as civilization. And the implications are well worth pondering. A coherent set of ideas has survived all of the twists and turns of cultural evolution for at least five thousand years--and on every continent. Now that's an astonishing verification of the durability of myth! Many of us had always thought of myth as the outcome of reckless invention--illiterate savages entertaining themselves by contriving magical stories out of nothing. Imagine such a process going on for thousands of years, and ask yourself if any possibility of a universal memory would remain.

Bear in mind that the myth-makers did not just recount a charming tale; they strove desperately to recover what was lost. In the infancy of civilization collective activity reflects a singular reference to the age of the gods--the honoring of the gods through celebration, representation, reenactment, codification, and massive construction activity. In fact, there are numerous grounds for saying that civilization itself was the outcome of this fundamentally religious activity.

Perhaps the most accomplished analyst of mythology in modern times was the late Mircea Eliade, chairman of the Department of History of Religions at the University of Chicago, and editor of the Encyclopedia of Religion. From his meticulous, lifelong survey of the subject, professor Eliade drew a stunning conclusion: literally every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age. That which symbolically transported the participant back to the First Time, the Golden Age, was sacred. That which did not was transient and mundane, of no interest.

The role of this memory in the ancient cultures carries vast implications for our understanding of the events that provoked human imagination in the myth-making epoch. Early man yearned for a return to paradise. Every coronation of a king, every New Year's festival, monumental construction, every recitation of temple hymns and prayers, every holy war, every sacrifice to the gods was motivated by a desire to recapture some aspect of the Golden Age, to live, if only for a symbolic moment, in that enchanted, opening chapter in the book of gods and wonders.

Maybe we should have been paying more attention to the heliosphere since it seems that the plasma could be related to the increase of inter-stellar material into our solar system/heliosphere, since we have been in some type of Solar Minimum the past year (Hey, wasn't this suppose to be a Solar Maximum???).

I'm whole-heartedly with atom within atom, within atom, within atom etc... fractal concept also. Nucleus and cytoplasm should answer most questions. In laymens term - crack an egg on a flat surface, the yolk is the nucleus, everything else would be cytoplasm. All living organisms have at least one cell, but thats for another topic.

To me the Norway incident looks more like concentric rings than a spiral, but that may not be the case. Just the way I'm seeing it.

But you gotta come clean Xenus, play Devil's Advocate, and tell us worse-case-scenario.

I don't think that is really out there at all. Call is god experiencing itself.

Sounds interesting....do you have a link? I would love to read more.

I've just read page one of this thread. I'm not a science type and I have a question. If the blue spiral part of the Norway event were the plasma, could the white spiral, in the sky, be the effect of the plasma on the water vapor in the atmosphere? The blue part looks like it's a screw that's turning the white part in the sky. That said, it seems the white spiral appeared first, at least on camera and in pics.

Here's a link on sirals and how the Hopis interpreted them

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

It's amazing how frequently the earliest-remembered events occur on a mythscape of uncertain location. Where was the ancient paradise? Where did the gods and goddesses and heroes of the mythical epoch actually live? Beyond the north wind? Atop the world's highest mountain? In the land of the rising sun? On a lost island in the middle of the sea?

If anything has been proven by the flood of ancient texts that have come to light in the past hundred and fifty years, it is that the central personalities of myth did not, in the original concepts, dwell on earth. The theater in which the great mythical events were first played out was in the sky.

Here is an indisputable fact. If you will trace the claimed history of ancient nations backwards, you will invariably reach a point at which humankind lived in the shadow of the gods. This distant epoch--what the Egyptians called the "time of the primeval gods"--cries out for clarification. Originally, the gods rule the world. First in an age of gold, but this age was followed by catastrophe and cosmic upheaval. That is the archetypal memory repeated around the world.

In their first appearance, the gods are celestial through and through. As the stories are told and re-told across the centuries, however, these celestial powers are progressively localized, re-entering the chronicles in increasingly human guise. All of the profound cosmic events expressed in the earliest myths are eventually brought down to earth. Through each culture’s intimate identification with its own gods across the centuries, the cosmic powers eventually emerged as legendary ancestors of the nation telling the story.

Each of the nations recalling the Golden Age, for example, insisted that their own forefathers had descended from the gods. At first glance, this pervasive claim will appear as sheer arrogance, a nationalistic pride carried to absurd extremes. But the origins of the idea have never been adequately appreciated. In truth, the worldwide racial claim, that "we are descended from the gods," or that "our race was originally divine," or that "we were the favored children of the gods" offers a key to the primitive experience. It confirms early man's unqualified sense of connection to the enigmatic celestial powers so vividly portrayed in the myths. And one cannot afford to ignore the equally significant principle, that these celestial powers are no longer present, no longer visible and active in the world.

For the Egyptians it was the creator-king Ra, for the Sumerians it was the high god An, from whom kingship descended. Similarly, the Hindu Brahma, the Chinese Huang-ti, Mexican Quetzalcoatl, Mayan Itzam Na and numerous counterparts among other nations, all preside over a paradisal epoch, while establishing the ideals and principles of kingship.

In Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, China, Greece, Italy, northern Europe, pre-Columbian Mexico and Central America--in fact, wherever the institution of kingship arose--the general rule is that royal genealogies lead back to this exemplary ruler, celebrated as the first in a sacred line of kings. The different myths recount in rich detail how the god built a great temple or city in primeval times, invented the alphabet, or taught a new language to a pre-literate race. They say it was he who invented the wheel, introduced the science of agriculture, instituted laws, and taught the true religion--in short, brought to a barbarous race all of the arts of civilization.

There is also a crucial connection here. This "ancestor-king" is so completely identified with the Golden Age that it is impossible to separate the one myth from the other. There is no Golden Age without a founding king, no founding king without a Golden Age.

The fabulous chronology of Egyptian kings or pharaohs offers a telling example. In his sweeping history of ancient Egypt, the Greek historian Herodotus enumerates the early lineage of kings. He tells us that there was a first king of Egypt, and his name was Helios. This first king of Egypt was not a mere mortal! He was a celestial power.

Of course Herodotus was simply translating an Egyptian name into Greek. For the Egyptians, the institution of kingship began with the rule of the primeval sun god Atum or Ra, who, prior to his retirement from the world, founded the Zep Tepi, the First Time, or Golden Age.

In Egypt all of the kingship rites point backwards to the age of Ra, a supreme god celebrated from one end of Egypt to the other as the prototype of kings. Indeed, every historical king's or pharaoh's authority derived from a connection to the ancestral king, for as the best Egyptologists have pointed out, the pharaoh was accredited as such by the claim that the blood of Atum-Ra coursed through his veins.

In rites deeply rooted in Egyptian cosmology, each new king symbolically ascended the throne of Ra, took as spouse Ra's own mistress, the mother goddess, wielded Ra's scepter, built temples and cities modeled after Ra's temple or city in the sky, adorned himself with the beard of the god, wore the crown of Ra as his own, and defeated neighboring enemies in just the way that Ra had defeated the hordes of darkness or chaos in the Zep Tepi. Identification of local king and celestial prototype was absolute.

Such is the universal tradition. Every king was, in a magical way, the Universal Monarch reborn. And this is why the chroniclers of king took such pains to establish the unbroken line. Only by proclaiming that the local king carried the blood of his predecessor, the Universal Monarch, could they certify his suitability for the prescribed function of kings.

The ancient Sumerians repeatedly proclaimed that kingship had descended directly from the creator-king An, the most ancient and highest god of the pantheon, and the revered founder of the Golden Age.

Consider the myths and images of the Hindu Brahma, Manu or Yama, the Iranian Yima, Danish Frodhi, or Chinese Huang-Ti--all models of the good king, ruling over a primitive paradise. The respective cultures esteemed these mythical figures as prototypes. In later ages the chroniclers have such figures ruling on earth. But in the earliest traditions the kingdom is in the sky, and the ancient rule of the Universal Monarch is one of the most pervasive archetypes of world mythology.

Natives of Mexico insisted that the great god Quetzalcoatl, a sun god who ruled before the present sun, was their first king and founder of the kingship rites. He not only introduced all of the arts of civilization, but presided over an ancient paradise.

The ancient Maya proclaimed that their once-spectacular civilization had its origins in the rule of the creator-king and god of the Golden Age, Itzam Na. At the center of Mayan culture, stood the sovereign chief, announcing himself as something like "the King of Kings and ruler of the world, regent on earth of the great Itzam Na."

The leading Mayan expert, J. Eric Thompson, saw this as an "inflated notion of grandeur….a sort of divine right of kings which would have turned James I green with envy." And yet throughout the ancient world, one encounters this divine "grandeur" of kings at every turn.

The original concept may appear as self flattery, but it actually has more to do with a burden of kings, the requirement that the king live up to the mythical aura of the revered predecessor. Never was there a king in early times that did not wear the dress of a mythical god--the model of the good ruler. Whatever the celestial, founding king had achieved, it was the duty of the present king, pharaoh, or emperor to duplicate, at least through symbolic repetition. For such was the first test of a good king.

This historical burden of kings will explain why every king was expected to renew the primeval era of peace and plenty.

Why, for example, was the Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose III so eager to announce that he had restored conditions "as they were in the beginning", in the Zep Tepi or Golden Age of Ra? Or why did the Pharaoh Amenhotep III congratulate himself so for having made the country "flourish as in primeval times..."? The Pharaoh was expected to repeat the achievements of the celestial prototype.

In the same way, when the Sumerian king Dungi ascended the throne, it was declared that a champion had arisen to restore the original Paradise.. Indeed, every Sumerian king was expected to reproduce the wonders of "That Day," or the "Year of Abundance"--the Golden Age of An. When the famous Assyrian king Assurbanipal took the throne, the chroniclers proclaimed that "the harvest was plentiful, the corn was abundant. . .the cattle multiplied exceedingly." For such was the accreditation of a good king.

Among the Hebrews, the expectation was continually expressed that the king would introduce a new Golden Age. The Irish King, according to the respected expert J. A. MacCulloch, ruled under the same expectation: "Prosperity was supposed to characterize every good king's reign in Ireland," MacCulloch writes, and "the result is precisely that which everywhere marked the golden age."

This is, of course, a very familiar idea. In the words of the eminent psychoanalyst, Carl Jung, the ancient king was "the magical source of welfare and prosperity." It's interesting how often scholars have noticed the theme, without explaining it. How did this universal idea arise--that the earth is fruitful under the good king?

According to the myths themselves, the ideals of kingship were a mirror of the life and personality of the great celestial king whose rule brought abundance and cosmic harmony. Hence, the same state of things should accompany that king's successors who share in the blood-line and charisma of the great predecessor, whether that predecessor is called Ra or An, Quetzalcoatl or Itzam Na.

Basically, attributing natural phenomenon to the gods was (and still is in some respects) man's way of trying to make sense of his world. And in saying that "god" is somehow in control of everything allows man to have some control of his own.

Because if he can do right, appease god, then maybe it won't happen. Man likes to have control. It's tough to face the fact that we don't.

there have been reports of plasma "domes" sightings before.... due to electromagnetic bomb detonations. the russians are well advanced with this stuff.

the norwegian spiral could be a plasma formation, but this time a natural one.

these formations are always wave-like: spirals , toroids, etc