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Foreshadowing in the Bible

 
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Jesus explain his covenant with us as a marriage covenant, because it describes what is going on in human terms we can understand. When the Israelites were at Sinai it was a covenant, like marriage, when the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus returns he will not come down to earth at that time, he will be in the space above the earth. The 7th Trumpet sounds then those who are dead and died with his spirit will rise first, then those alive will follow, the people on earth will see this as this happens 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. They meet Christ above the earth in space. The Bride is taken to the grooms house to meet the Father and the marraige supper then begins. If you want to call it a rapture fine, it does not matter but it happens at the very end of the world at the 7th Trumpet. After this the Bride and Groom leave the house of the Groom and his Father and return to the house they will live in together.

This is the time that the Bible speaks of that Jesus cometh with ten thousands of his saints.
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Jesus explain his covenant with us as a marriage covenant, because it describes what is going on in human terms we can understand. When the Israelites were at Sinai it was a covenant, like marriage, when the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus returns he will not come down to earth at that time, he will be in the space above the earth. The 7th Trumpet sounds then those who are dead and died with his spirit will rise first, then those alive will follow, the people on earth will see this as this happens 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. They meet Christ above the earth in space. The Bride is taken to the grooms house to meet the Father and the marraige supper then begins. If you want to call it a rapture fine, it does not matter but it happens at the very end of the world at the 7th Trumpet. After this the Bride and Groom leave the house of the Groom and his Father and return to the house they will live in together.

This is the time that the Bible speaks of that Jesus cometh with ten thousands of his saints.
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The above refers to the Final Judgment at the last trumpet not the current time.

We face the end of times right now, God is going to purify
the earth and after, mankind will live in love on a renewed earth.

It will be the Era of Peace, then...the final battle and
Final Judgment.
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Its far from the final judgement, its only the 1st part of Gods plan.
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
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Jesus explain his covenant with us as a marriage covenant, because it describes what is going on in human terms we can understand. When the Israelites were at Sinai it was a covenant, like marriage, when the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus returns he will not come down to earth at that time, he will be in the space above the earth. The 7th Trumpet sounds then those who are dead and died with his spirit will rise first, then those alive will follow, the people on earth will see this as this happens 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. They meet Christ above the earth in space. The Bride is taken to the grooms house to meet the Father and the marraige supper then begins. If you want to call it a rapture fine, it does not matter but it happens at the very end of the world at the 7th Trumpet. After this the Bride and Groom leave the house of the Groom and his Father and return to the house they will live in together.

This is the time that the Bible speaks of that Jesus cometh with ten thousands of his saints.
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Uh oh. I agree with you OP but "They be comin ta hang ya soon"!
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I think you mean all of us.
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
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You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Jesus explain his covenant with us as a marriage covenant, because it describes what is going on in human terms we can understand. When the Israelites were at Sinai it was a covenant, like marriage, when the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus returns he will not come down to earth at that time, he will be in the space above the earth. The 7th Trumpet sounds then those who are dead and died with his spirit will rise first, then those alive will follow, the people on earth will see this as this happens 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. They meet Christ above the earth in space. The Bride is taken to the grooms house to meet the Father and the marraige supper then begins. If you want to call it a rapture fine, it does not matter but it happens at the very end of the world at the 7th Trumpet. After this the Bride and Groom leave the house of the Groom and his Father and return to the house they will live in together.

This is the time that the Bible speaks of that Jesus cometh with ten thousands of his saints.
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So is this the story about conscousness, breaking free from spiritual and material things? (the two witnessess) leaving the mind free from worldly restraints (accension), and being able to meet Christ (Collective conscouse or All) in the heavens above?.
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We face the end of times right now, God is going to purify
the earth and after, mankind will live in love on a renewed earth.

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A purifying spirit, a clean slate, born again in spirit

The day of awareness/judgement day

7th horn/wind/day/light, will do this?.

6th day approching 2013? Easter/The death of the sun for approx 24 hour, as venus become between earth and the sun.(maya, venus related)
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We face the end of times right now, God is going to purify
the earth and after, mankind will live in love on a renewed earth.



A purifying spirit, a clean slate, born again in spirit

The day of awareness/judgement day

7th horn/wind/day/light, will do this?.

6th day approching 2013? Easter/The death of the sun for approx 24 hour, as venus become between earth and the sun.(maya, venus related)
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Edit 72 hour, not 24
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


And you must be the doctor proclaiming a cure to the virus?
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6th day approching 2013? Easter/The death of the sun for approx 24 hour, as venus become between earth and the sun.(maya, venus related)
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hmmm maybe its the 7th?
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


And you must be the doctor proclaiming a cure to the virus?
 Quoting: ReD\\//ToRnado 658677


The truth is a good start grasshopper!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Jesus explain his covenant with us as a marriage covenant, because it describes what is going on in human terms we can understand. When the Israelites were at Sinai it was a covenant, like marriage, when the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus returns he will not come down to earth at that time, he will be in the space above the earth. The 7th Trumpet sounds then those who are dead and died with his spirit will rise first, then those alive will follow, the people on earth will see this as this happens 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. They meet Christ above the earth in space. The Bride is taken to the grooms house to meet the Father and the marraige supper then begins. If you want to call it a rapture fine, it does not matter but it happens at the very end of the world at the 7th Trumpet. After this the Bride and Groom leave the house of the Groom and his Father and return to the house they will live in together.

This is the time that the Bible speaks of that Jesus cometh with ten thousands of his saints.


So is this the story about conscousness, breaking free from spiritual and material things? (the two witnessess) leaving the mind free from worldly restraints (accension), and being able to meet Christ (Collective conscouse or All) in the heavens above?.
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Im sure you can think of it in many ways, im not sure what spirit is composed of, or how it works in conjunction with God, until the day it happens no one will really know.
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


And you must be the doctor proclaiming a cure to the virus?


The truth is a good start grasshopper!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Truth is your as sick as the rest of us, contaminated and brainwashed by forces you have no control over.
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


And you must be the doctor proclaiming a cure to the virus?


The truth is a good start grasshopper!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Truth is your as sick as the rest of us, contaminated and brainwashed by forces you have no control over.
 Quoting: ReD\\//ToRnado 658677


Your diagnosis is in error!!

Try 'less than' instead of 'as sick', and you do have control over the majority of it!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


And you must be the doctor proclaiming a cure to the virus?


The truth is a good start grasshopper!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Truth is your as sick as the rest of us, contaminated and brainwashed by forces you have no control over.


Your diagnosis is in error!!

Try 'less than' instead of 'as sick', and you do have control over the majority of it!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


"Truth is your less than as the rest of us...."

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Im sure you can think of it in many ways, im not sure what spirit is composed of, or how it works in conjunction with God, until the day it happens no one will really know.
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Your right there, wheres the measureing mark, to let one know when this actully takes place? I mean, for all we know there could be serveral people all ready connected in spirit with god, but dont realize it?, because they have no measureing mark to identify it. Only the self aware in spirit would know the measureing marks of god, because they would know the spirit, the father, within themselfs.

The 7th Trumpet sounds then those who are dead and died with his spirit will rise first, then those alive will follow
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The Self aware would rise first, or those who have been born again in spirit. Repenting/acknoledging themselfs, good and bad, creating light, awareness, turning ignorance into light, the blind now see. This is the start of the journey, once you see the path, you know which direction in which to step.

The people do see this, and are guided by the light?, and accend as well?.


I have been cursed/blessed, with the gift of sight!

Dont blame me, I was born this way!

May the force be with you, 77
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


And you must be the doctor proclaiming a cure to the virus?


The truth is a good start grasshopper!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Truth is your as sick as the rest of us, contaminated and brainwashed by forces you have no control over.


Your diagnosis is in error!!

Try 'less than' instead of 'as sick', and you do have control over the majority of it!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



The only control over information once discovered is if you believe it or not. And if your talking spiritual information than of course it has to come in from an outside source other than yourself. Try asking a baby what it is when it is born from the womb, ask it where it came from. Its obvious the baby needs to be taught these things to even begin to understand whats right and wrong, and that happens through its parents, the ones who brought the child into this world. This child is taught by others who know more than and better than the baby. You put your faith in whatever information you want to believe, I will put mine in God.
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ReD,

Here is a help, the neatest thing about Father Iannuzzi's explanation, none of his sources are from the prophecy (private revelation). And there is so much prophetic now because we are close to divine events and the new time! Though Father doesn't use any prophecy to prove his findings, the current messages from Heaven both Catholic and Protestant confirm Father Iannuzzi's writing.

Why do we call the Final Judgment the Second Coming? Because it is. The time just ahead, tribulation, the
Chastisement and the new time, the Era of Peace. Jesus
shares in the messages from Heaven that He is coming soon
but not in His person. There is a "middle coming",
we will all believe Jesus is in the Holy Eucharist, his coming in this "middle coming" is spiritual.

+ + +

"The Triumph of God's Kingdom in the Millennium and End Times"

A Proper Belief from the Truth in Scripture and Church Teachings

by Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, OSJ



Just what is the Millennium and is it an acceptable part of Roman Catholic teaching? What follows is a brief summary of Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi’s landmark book. The book clears up two points that are very relevant to the current dialog among Christians regarding the end times – Jesus does not come in the flesh to usher in the Millennium, nor does the Rapture begin the Millennium.

Fr. Iannuzzi asks the question: "Did the Apostolic Fathers ever mention an 'era of peace' or an intermediary reign of Christ on earth?" (p. 10). He shows unequivocally that the answer is yes. The first half of the book is a rather difficult, slow read, since Fr. has to prove that the Fathers of the Church did in fact leave a legacy of writings that gives a specifically Catholic understanding of the Millennium.

He shows that the proper concept of the Millennium is consistent with Catholic teaching, and can be traced back to the earliest Church Fathers. This view is derived solely from Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. No visionaries or private revelations are cited (making this book unique in Catholic circles among books that discuss the end times).

To summarize very briefly, there will be two tribulations, two triumphs, two remnants and two kingdoms. One set of these events occurs at the beginning of the Millennium, and the other at its end.

Fr. Iannuzzi makes no predictions as to actual dates and times.

However, in salvation history, four thousand years preceded Christ, and two thousand years have followed upon his birth. The next thousand years would be the seventh thousand, or the seventh day, the Sabbath day rest. Hence this period may very well be the millennial period. After the end of the seventh day, comes the eighth or eternal day of God's everlasting kingdom. However, we do not know for sure if the thousand years is to be taken literally, nor for sure when it will begin.

The Millennium is the period of peace which marks the peak of this Day. The defeat of Antichrist will herald the beginning of the Millennium, or thousand year spiritual reign of Christ. The binding of Satan for a thousand years is also at the beginning of the Millennium.

The reign of Jesus during the Millennium will be a Eucharistic reign.

Jesus will not come in the flesh to begin the Millennium, but will come in spirit and power. To say that Jesus will come in the flesh for the thousand years is the heresy of Millenarianism. To say that He will come in the flesh for a thousand years and establish a 'sensual' kingdom of carnal banquets is the heresy of Chiliasm.

The end of the Millennium is marked by the final defeat of Satan (Gog, Magog period). The Rapture or gathering up with Christ refers to the final judgement, and will be at the end of the millennial period, not at its beginning.

The end of the seventh day is the end of time, and the beginning of eternity, or the eighth day of eternal rest, the eternal kingdom of God.

Thus there are then two separate tribulations, one at the beginning of the day (Antichrist), and one at the end of the day (Satan), the 'great' tribulation. There are two remnants, the Christian survivors of each of the two tribulations. There are two triumphs - the first triumph heralds the Temporal Kingdom and the second triumph heralds the Eternal Kingdom.



additional commentary:



Father Iannuzzi's book focuses on a Eucharistic Reign of Christ following the Antichrist but proceeding the second coming of Christ in Glory.



Fr. Iannuzzi's position of the theory that there is a "middle coming" ... an 'Interim Coming' and a "Eucharistic Reign"... seems to explain some of the mystery of statements made by people such as St. Faustina and more recently Stanley Villavencenzia about Christ Coming in Glory as the King of Mercy prior to coming as the Just Judge...

Both St. Faustina and Stanley allude to a 'Second Coming' that is separate and distinct to 'the Final Coming'. At least that is how people have interpreted their writings...

The fact that the Pope saw to it personally that St. Faustina was both beatified and canonized in a relatively short period of time, lends credence to her importance; and this, along with Fr. Michalencko's [Papal appointee] support of Stanley of the Philippines has led me to conclude that there is much to what Fr. Iannuzzi has posited...
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ReD,

Here is a help, the neatest thing about Father Iannuzzi's explanation, none of his sources are from the prophecy (private revelation). And there is so much prophetic now because we are close to divine events and the new time! Though Father doesn't use any prophecy to prove his findings, the current messages from Heaven both Catholic and Protestant confirm Father Iannuzzi's writing.

Why do we call the Final Judgment the Second Coming? Because it is. The time just ahead, tribulation, the
Chastisement and the new time, the Era of Peace. Jesus
shares in the messages from Heaven that He is coming soon
but not in His person. There is a "middle coming",
we will all believe Jesus is in the Holy Eucharist, his coming in this "middle coming" is spiritual.

+ + +

"The Triumph of God's Kingdom in the Millennium and End Times"

A Proper Belief from the Truth in Scripture and Church Teachings

by Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, OSJ



Just what is the Millennium and is it an acceptable part of Roman Catholic teaching? What follows is a brief summary of Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi’s landmark book. The book clears up two points that are very relevant to the current dialog among Christians regarding the end times – Jesus does not come in the flesh to usher in the Millennium, nor does the Rapture begin the Millennium.

Fr. Iannuzzi asks the question: "Did the Apostolic Fathers ever mention an 'era of peace' or an intermediary reign of Christ on earth?" (p. 10). He shows unequivocally that the answer is yes. The first half of the book is a rather difficult, slow read, since Fr. has to prove that the Fathers of the Church did in fact leave a legacy of writings that gives a specifically Catholic understanding of the Millennium.

He shows that the proper concept of the Millennium is consistent with Catholic teaching, and can be traced back to the earliest Church Fathers. This view is derived solely from Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. No visionaries or private revelations are cited (making this book unique in Catholic circles among books that discuss the end times).

To summarize very briefly, there will be two tribulations, two triumphs, two remnants and two kingdoms. One set of these events occurs at the beginning of the Millennium, and the other at its end.

Fr. Iannuzzi makes no predictions as to actual dates and times.

However, in salvation history, four thousand years preceded Christ, and two thousand years have followed upon his birth. The next thousand years would be the seventh thousand, or the seventh day, the Sabbath day rest. Hence this period may very well be the millennial period. After the end of the seventh day, comes the eighth or eternal day of God's everlasting kingdom. However, we do not know for sure if the thousand years is to be taken literally, nor for sure when it will begin.

The Millennium is the period of peace which marks the peak of this Day. The defeat of Antichrist will herald the beginning of the Millennium, or thousand year spiritual reign of Christ. The binding of Satan for a thousand years is also at the beginning of the Millennium.

The reign of Jesus during the Millennium will be a Eucharistic reign.

Jesus will not come in the flesh to begin the Millennium, but will come in spirit and power. To say that Jesus will come in the flesh for the thousand years is the heresy of Millenarianism. To say that He will come in the flesh for a thousand years and establish a 'sensual' kingdom of carnal banquets is the heresy of Chiliasm.

The end of the Millennium is marked by the final defeat of Satan (Gog, Magog period). The Rapture or gathering up with Christ refers to the final judgement, and will be at the end of the millennial period, not at its beginning.

The end of the seventh day is the end of time, and the beginning of eternity, or the eighth day of eternal rest, the eternal kingdom of God.

Thus there are then two separate tribulations, one at the beginning of the day (Antichrist), and one at the end of the day (Satan), the 'great' tribulation. There are two remnants, the Christian survivors of each of the two tribulations. There are two triumphs - the first triumph heralds the Temporal Kingdom and the second triumph heralds the Eternal Kingdom.



additional commentary:



Father Iannuzzi's book focuses on a Eucharistic Reign of Christ following the Antichrist but proceeding the second coming of Christ in Glory.



Fr. Iannuzzi's position of the theory that there is a "middle coming" ... an 'Interim Coming' and a "Eucharistic Reign"... seems to explain some of the mystery of statements made by people such as St. Faustina and more recently Stanley Villavencenzia about Christ Coming in Glory as the King of Mercy prior to coming as the Just Judge...

Both St. Faustina and Stanley allude to a 'Second Coming' that is separate and distinct to 'the Final Coming'. At least that is how people have interpreted their writings...

The fact that the Pope saw to it personally that St. Faustina was both beatified and canonized in a relatively short period of time, lends credence to her importance; and this, along with Fr. Michalencko's [Papal appointee] support of Stanley of the Philippines has led me to conclude that there is much to what Fr. Iannuzzi has posited...
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This is speaking of in terms of being Holy, you have an earthly father and its ok for you to call him this for it is written in the 10 Commandments, Honor your Father and Mother in Ex 20:12

But speaking of someone who is not your father as what you speak of this man as, in terms and titles only God The Father holds.

Mat 23:9
And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.



I believe you have no idea what your talking about and you cannot backup any of those things you said with scripture.
I know Jesus is not human, he is the same as God, it seems you have no clue what Jesus was talking about when he speaks of Harvests. The only thing you said correct was Satan being bound and then released to gather up for the Gog Magog war.

Where is Holy Eucharist ever used in the Bible?
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This is speaking of in terms of being Holy, you have an earthly father and its ok for you to call him this for it is written in the 10 Commandments, Honor your Father and Mother in Ex 20:12

But speaking of someone who is not your father as what you speak of this man as, in terms and titles only God The Father holds.

Mat 23:9
And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven....

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ReDV,

A priest is a spiritual father, priests have been called
"father" since the early Church.

I think you are misunderstanding the verse - Matthew 23:9. Jesus was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.

Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees!

We see "father" used many times in the Old and the New Testament.
Our Lord the apostles use the word "father" for spiritual leaders.

+ + + + +

Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means "communicating one's nature," and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.

Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the "Father." We are fathers in the Father.

Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called "fathers." Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don't Protestants call their pastors "father?"

1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, "I became your father in Christ Jesus."

1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful "child" in the Lord.

2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his "children" the Corinthians.

Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy's service to him as a son serves a "father."

1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders' ministry to the people like a father with his children.

1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true "child" in the faith and his son.

Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true "child" in a common faith.

Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the "father" of Onesimus.

Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly "fathers." But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).

1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his "son."

1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church "fathers."

1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church "children."

1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their "father."




Jesus, the Apostles and Others Refer to Spiritual Leaders as "Fathers"


Matt. 3:9; Luke 3:8 - Jesus refers to Abraham as our "father."

Mark 11:10 - the people cried out blessed is the kingdom of our "father" David that is coming!

Luke 1:32 - God's angel says Jesus will be great and be given the throne of his "father" David.

Luke 1:55 - Mary says that He spoke to our "fathers," to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.

Luke 1:73 - Zechariah says the oath which he swore to our "father" Abraham.

Luke 16:24,30 - Jesus, in His parable about the rich man, says our "father" Abraham.

John 4:12 - the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if He is greater than our "father" Jacob.

John 7:22 - Jesus refers to the "fathers" who gave the Jews the practice of circumcision.

John 8:56 - Jesus tells the Jews your "Father" Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day.

Acts 4:25 - Peter and John pray to God and refer to our "father" David.

Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 - Stephen refers to our "fathers" in the faith.

Acts 7:32 - Stephen calls God the God of our "fathers."

Acts 13:17,32,36; 24:14; 26:6; 28:17,25 - Paul also refers to the God of our "fathers" in the faith.

Acts 22:3 - Paul says he was educated according to the strict law of our "fathers."

Acts 22:14 - Ananias says the God of our "fathers."

Rom. 4:1 - Paul calls Abraham our "forefather."

Rom. 4:16-17 - Paul says that Abraham is the "father" of us all and the "father" of many nations.

Rom. 9:10 - Paul calls Isaac, a spiritual leader, our "forefather."

1 Cor. 10:1 - Paul says that our "fathers" were all under the cloud, referring to the Old Testament spiritual leaders.

Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his "fathers."

2 Tim. 1:3 - Paul thanks God whom he serves with a clear conscience as did his "fathers" in faith.


James 2:21 - James says was not our "father" Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac?

1 Peter 1:18 - Peter says you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your "fathers."
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Where is Holy Eucharist ever used in the Bible?
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The way you worded your question, you sound like you are
not at all familiar with the Holy Eucharist? I understand why. It is not a part of Protestantism. From the begining Christians believed in Our Lord's presence in the Holy Eucharist. It was taken literally by the apostles and the earliest Christians...until this day. Except for
those involved in the Protestant revolt.

Luther broke away, Luther, a Catholic, denied the authority of the Church and it follows, he denied the authority of the priesthood. Luther had to come up with a new meaning for all the Scriptural references...actually, the command of Our Lord to eat His body and drink His blood.

Martin Luther took one "word" from Scripture and used it, changing the meaning, falsely teaching something new because of his revolt. Protestants have been taught when Jesus said do this in REMEMBRANCE of Me, it means communion service is done as a REMEMRANCE of His death on the Cross.

How does consuming crackers and juice become a remembrance of Calvery? This makes no sense. No, when Jesus used that word, REMEMBERANCE, He was speaking to the twelve Apostles, the first priests. He was commanding them to do as He did, change bread and wine into His body and blood. Jesus said He wouldn't leave us, He hasn't, He remains with us by His sacred presence in the Holy Eucharist.


What an example, one has to have faith, believe (the meaning of faith)... Jesus is present in the consecrated host because we can't see a change. When Our Lord first said the words -John 6:54-, this was shocking to some followers and they walked away. -John 6:66-. Jesus didn't correct Himself or run after them to explain He wasn't speaking literally, no, Our Lord meant what He said. This is God's plan not mans'.

I share some not all...Scriptural reference, the Holy Eucharist spoken of in the Bible.



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Scripture

Old Testament


Foreshadowing of the Eucharistic Sacrifice

Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word "priest" is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God.

Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine.

Psalm 110:4 - this is the prophecy that Jesus will be the eternal priest and king in the same manner as this mysterious priest Melchizedek. This prophecy requires us to look for an eternal bread and wine sacrifice in the future. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Catholic Church.

Malachi 1:11 - this is a prophecy of a pure offering that will be offered in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting. Thus, there will be only one sacrifice, but it will be offered in many places around the world. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Catholic Church in the Masses around the world, where the sacrifice of Christ which transcends time and space is offered for our salvation. If this prophecy is not fulfilled by the Catholic Church, then Malachi is a false prophet.

Exodus 12:14,17,24; cf. 24:8 - we see that the feast of the paschal lamb is a perpetual ordinance. It lasts forever. But it had not yet been fulfilled.

Exodus 29:38-39 – God commands the Israelites to “offer” (poieseis) the lambs upon the altar. The word “offer” is the same verb Jesus would use to institute the Eucharistic offering of Himself.

Lev. 19:22 – the priests of the old covenant would make atonement for sins with the guilt offering of an animal which had to be consumed. Jesus, the High Priest of the New Covenant, has atoned for our sins by His one sacrifice, and He also must be consumed.

Jer. 33:18 - God promises that His earthly kingdom will consist of a sacrificial priesthood forever. This promise has been fulfilled by the priests of the Catholic Church, who sacramentally offer the sacrifice of Christ from the rising of the sun to its setting in every Mass around the world.

Zech. 9:15-16 - this is a prophecy that the sons of Zion, which is the site of the establishment of the Eucharistic sacrifice, shall drink blood like wine and be saved. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the priests of the Catholic Church.

2 Chron. 26:18 - only validly consecrated priests will be able to offer the sacrifice to God. The Catholic priests of the New Covenant trace their sacrificial priesthood to Christ.



Foreshadowing of the Requirement to Consume the Sacrifice

Gen. 22:9-13 - God saved Abraham's first-born son on Mount Moriah with a substitute sacrifice which had to be consumed. This foreshadowed the real sacrifice of Israel's true first-born son (Jesus) who must be consumed.

Exodus 12:5 - the paschal lamb that was sacrificed and eaten had to be without blemish. Luke 23:4,14; John 18:38 - Jesus is the true paschal Lamb without blemish.

Exodus 12:7,22-23 - the blood of the lamb had to be sprinkled on the two door posts. This paschal sacrifice foreshadows the true Lamb of sacrifice and the two posts of His cross on which His blood was sprinkled.

Exodus 12:8,11 - the paschal lamb had to be eaten by the faithful in order for God to "pass over" the house and spare their first-born sons. Jesus, the true paschal Lamb, must also be eaten by the faithful in order for God to forgive their sins.

Exodus 12:43-45; Ezek. 44:9 - no one outside the "family of God" shall eat the lamb. Non-Catholics should not partake of the Eucharist until they are in full communion with the Church.

Exodus 12:49 - no uncircumcised person shall eat of the lamb. Baptism is the new circumcision for Catholics, and thus one must be baptized in order to partake of the Lamb.

Exodus 12:47; Num. 9:12 - the paschal lamb's bones could not be broken. John 19:33 - none of Jesus' bones were broken.

Exodus 16:4-36; Neh 9:15 - God gave His people bread from heaven to sustain them on their journey to the promised land. This foreshadows the true bread from heaven which God gives to us at Mass to sustain us on our journey to heaven.

Exodus 24:9-11 - the Mosaic covenant was consummated with a meal in the presence of God. The New and eternal Covenant is consummated with the Eucharistic meal - the body and blood of Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine.

Exodus 29:33 – God commands that they shall eat those things with which atonement was made. Jesus is the true Lamb of atonement and must now be eaten.

Lev. 7:15 - the Aaronic sacrifices absolutely had to be eaten in order to restore communion with God. These sacrifices all foreshadow the one eternal sacrifice which must also be eaten to restore communion with God. This is the Eucharist (from the Greek word "eukaristia" which means "thanksgiving").

Lev. 17:11,14 - in the Old Testament, we see that the life of the flesh is the blood which could never be drunk. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ's blood is the source of new life, and now must be drunk.

Gen. 9:4-5; Deut.12:16,23-24 - in these verses we see other prohibitions on drinking blood, yet Jesus commands us to drink His blood because it is the true source of life.

2 Kings 4:43 - this passage foreshadows the multiplication of the loaves and the true bread from heaven which is Jesus Christ.

2 Chron. 30:15-17; 35:1,6,11,13; Ezra 6:20-21; Ezek. 6:20-21- the lamb was killed, roasted and eaten to atone for sin and restore communion with God. This foreshadows the true Lamb of God who was sacrificed for our sin and who must now be consumed for our salvation.

Neh. 9:15 – God gave the Israelites bread from heaven for their hunger, which foreshadows the true heavenly bread who is Jesus.

Psalm 78:24-25; 105:40 - the raining of manna and the bread from angels foreshadows the true bread from heaven, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 53:7 - this verse foreshadows the true Lamb of God who was slain for our sins and who must be consumed.

Wis. 16:20 - this foreshadows the true bread from heaven which will be suited to every taste. All will be welcome to partake of this heavenly bread, which is Jesus Christ.

Sir. 24:21 - God says those who eat Him will hunger for more, and those who drink Him will thirst for more.

Ezek. 2:8-10; 3:1-3 - God orders Ezekiel to open his mouth and eat the scroll which is the Word of God. This foreshadows the true Word of God, Jesus Christ, who must be consumed.

Zech. 12:10 - this foreshadows the true first-born Son who was pierced for the sins of the inhabitants of the new Jerusalem.

Zech. 13:1 - on the day of piercing, a fountain (of blood and water) will cleanse the sins of those in the new House of David.



New Testament

(a). Jesus Promises His Real Presence in the Eucharist
John 6:4,11-14 - on the eve of the Passover, Jesus performs the miracle of multiplying the loaves. This was prophesied in the Old Testament (e.g., 2 Kings4:43), and foreshadows the infinite heavenly bread which is Him.

Matt. 14:19, 15:36; Mark 6:41, 8:6; Luke 9:16 - these passages are additional accounts of the multiplication miracles. This points to the Eucharist.

Matt. 16:12 - in this verse, Jesus explains His metaphorical use of the term "bread." In John 6, He eliminates any metaphorical possibilities.

John 6:4 - Jesus is in Capernaum on the eve of Passover, and the lambs are gathered to be slaughtered and eaten. Look what He says.

John 6:35,41,48,51 - Jesus says four times "I AM the bread from heaven." It is He, Himself, the eternal bread from heaven.

John 6:27,31,49 - there is a parallel between the manna in the desert which was physically consumed, and this "new" bread which must be consumed.

John 6:51-52- then Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh. The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?

John 6:53 - 58 - Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.

John 6:23-53 - however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?

John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 - He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat. While “phago” might also have a spiritual application, "trogo" is never used metaphorically in Greek. So Protestants cannot find one verse in Scripture where "trogo" is used symbolically, and yet this must be their argument if they are going to deny the Catholic understanding of Jesus' words. Moreover, the Jews already knew Jesus was speaking literally even before Jesus used the word “trogo” when they said “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:52).

John 6:55 - to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed. Further, Jesus uses the word which is translated as "sarx." "Sarx" means flesh (not "soma" which means body). See, for example, John 1:13,14; 3:6; 8:15; 17:2; Matt. 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; 26:41; Mark 10:8; 13:20; 14:38; and Luke 3:6; 24:39 which provides other examples in Scripture where "sarx" means flesh. It is always literal.

John 6:55 - further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.

John 6:60 - as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.

John 6:61-63 - Jesus acknowledges their disgust. Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" means the disciples need supernatural faith, not logic, to understand His words.

John 3:6 - Jesus often used the comparison of "spirit versus flesh" to teach about the necessity of possessing supernatural faith versus a natural understanding. In Mark 14:38 Jesus also uses the "spirit/flesh" comparison. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We must go beyond the natural to understand the supernatural. In 1 Cor. 2:14,3:3; Rom 8:5; and Gal. 5:17, Paul also uses the "spirit/flesh" comparison to teach that unspiritual people are not receiving the gift of faith. They are still "in the flesh."

John 6:63 - Protestants often argue that Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" shows that Jesus was only speaking symbolically. However, Protestants must explain why there is not one place in Scripture where "spirit" means "symbolic." As we have seen, the use of "spirit" relates to supernatural faith. What words are spirit and life? The words that we must eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood, or we have no life in us.

John 6:66-67 - many disciples leave Jesus, rejecting this literal interpretation that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. At this point, these disciples really thought Jesus had lost His mind. If they were wrong about the literal interpretation, why wouldn't Jesus, the Great Teacher, have corrected them? Why didn't Jesus say, "Hey, come back here, I was only speaking symbolically!"? Because they understood correctly.

Mark 4:34 - Jesus always explained to His disciples the real meanings of His teachings. He never would have let them go away with a false impression, most especially in regard to a question about eternal salvation.

John 6:37 - Jesus says He would not drive those away from Him. They understood Him correctly but would not believe.

John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 - here are some examples of Jesus correcting wrong impressions of His teaching. In the Eucharistic discourse, Jesus does not correct the scandalized disciples.

John 6:64,70 - Jesus ties the disbelief in the Real Presence of His Body and Blood in the Eucharist to Judas' betrayal. Those who don't believe in this miracle betray Him.

Psalm 27:2; Isa. 9:20; 49:26; Mic. 3:3; 2 Sam. 23:17; Rev. 16:6; 17:6, 16 - to further dispense with the Protestant claim that Jesus was only speaking symbolically, these verses demonstrate that symbolically eating body and blood is always used in a negative context of a physical assault. It always means “destroying an enemy,” not becoming intimately close with him. Thus, if Jesus were speaking symbolically in John 6:51-58, He would be saying to us, "He who reviles or assaults me has eternal life." This, of course, is absurd.

John 10:7 - Protestants point out that Jesus did speak metaphorically about Himself in other places in Scripture. For example, here Jesus says, "I am the door." But in this case, no one asked Jesus if He was literally made of wood. They understood him metaphorically.

John 15:1,5 - here is another example, where Jesus says, "I am the vine." Again, no one asked Jesus if He was literally a vine. In John 6, Jesus' disciples did ask about His literal speech (that this bread was His flesh which must be eaten). He confirmed that His flesh and blood were food and drink indeed. Many disciples understood Him and left Him.

Matt. 26:29; Mark 14:25; Luke 22:18 – Jesus says He will not drink of the “fruit of the vine” until He drinks it new in the kingdom. Some Protestants try to use this verse (because Jesus said “fruit of the vine”) to prove the wine cannot be His blood. But the Greek word for fruit is “genneema” which literally means “that which is generated from the vine.” In John 15:1,5 Jesus says “I am the vine.” So “fruit of the vine” can also mean Jesus’ blood. In 1 Cor. 11:26-27, Paul also used “bread” and “the body of the Lord” interchangeably in the same sentence. Also, see Matt. 3:7;12:34;23:33 for examples were “genneema” means “birth” or “generation.”

Rom. 14:14-18; 1 Cor. 8:1-13; 1 Tim. 4:3 – Protestants often argue that drinking blood and eating certain sacrificed meats were prohibited in the New Testament, so Jesus would have never commanded us to consume His body and blood. But these verses prove them wrong, showing that Paul taught all foods, even meat offered to idols, strangled, or with blood, could be consumed by the Christian if it didn’t bother the brother’s conscience and were consumed with thanksgiving to God.

Matt. 18:2-5 - Jesus says we must become like children, or we will not enter the kingdom of God. We must believe Jesus' words with child-like faith. Because Jesus says this bread is His flesh, we believe by faith, even though it surpasses our understanding.

Luke 1:37 - with God, nothing is impossible. If we can believe in the incredible reality of the Incarnation, we can certainly believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. God coming to us in elements He created is an extension of the awesome mystery of the Incarnation.



Jesus Institutes the Eucharist / More Proofs of the Real Presence

Matt. 26:26-28; Mark. 14:22,24; Luke 22;19-20; 1 Cor. 11:24-25 - Jesus says, this IS my body and blood. Jesus does not say, this is a symbol of my body and blood.

Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19-20 - the Greek phrase is "Touto estin to soma mou." This phraseology means "this is actually" or "this is really" my body and blood.

1 Cor. 11:24 - the same translation is used by Paul - "touto mou estin to soma." The statement is "this is really" my body and blood. Nowhere in Scripture does God ever declare something without making it so.

Matt. 26:26; Mark. 14:22; Luke 22:19 - to deny the 2,000 year-old Catholic understanding of the Eucharist, Protestants must argue that Jesus was really saying "this represents (not is) my body and blood." However, Aramaic, the language that Jesus spoke, had over 30 words for "represent," but Jesus did not use any of them. He used the Aramaic word for "estin" which means "is."

Matt. 26:28; Mark. 14:24; Luke 22:20 - Jesus' use of "poured out" in reference to His blood also emphasizes the reality of its presence.

Exodus 24:8 - Jesus emphasizes the reality of His actual blood being present by using Moses' statement "blood of the covenant."

1 Cor. 10:16 - Paul asks the question, "the cup of blessing and the bread of which we partake, is it not an actual participation in Christ's body and blood?" Is Paul really asking because He, the divinely inspired writer, does not understand? No, of course not. Paul's questions are obviously rhetorical. This IS the actual body and blood. Further, the Greek word "koinonia" describes an actual, not symbolic participation in the body and blood.

1 Cor. 10:18 - in this verse, Paul is saying we are what we eat. We are not partners with a symbol. We are partners of the one actual body.

1 Cor. 11:23 - Paul does not explain what he has actually received directly from Christ, except in the case when he teaches about the Eucharist. Here, Paul emphasizes the importance of the Eucharist by telling us he received directly from Jesus instructions on the Eucharist which is the source and summit of the Christian faith.

1 Cor. 11:27-29 - in these verses, Paul says that eating or drinking in an unworthy manner is the equivalent of profaning (literally, murdering) the body and blood of the Lord. If this is just a symbol, we cannot be guilty of actually profaning (murdering) it. We cannot murder a symbol. Either Paul, the divinely inspired apostle of God, is imposing an unjust penalty, or the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ.

1 Cor. 11:30 - this verse alludes to the consequences of receiving the Eucharist unworthily. Receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus in mortal sin results in actual physical consequences to our bodies.

1 Cor. 11:27-30 - thus, if we partake of the Eucharist unworthily, we are guilty of literally murdering the body of Christ, and risking physical consequences to our bodies. This is overwhelming evidence for the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. These are unjust penalties if the Eucharist is just a symbol.

Acts 2:42 - from the Church's inception, apostolic tradition included celebrating the Eucharist (the "breaking of the bread") to fulfill Jesus' command "do this in remembrance of me."

Acts 20:28 - Paul charges the Church elders to "feed" the Church of the Lord, that is, with the flesh and blood of Christ.

Matt. 6:11; Luke 11:3 - in the Our Father, we ask God to give us this day our daily bread, that is the bread of life, Jesus Christ.

Matt. 12:39 – Jesus says no “sign” will be given except the “sign of the prophet Jonah.” While Protestants focus only on the “sign” of the Eucharist, this verse demonstrates that a sign can be followed by the reality (here, Jesus’ resurrection, which is intimately connected to the Eucharist).

Matt. 19:6 - Jesus says a husband and wife become one flesh which is consummated in the life giving union of the marital act. This union of marital love which reflects Christ's union with the Church is physical, not just spiritual. Thus, when Paul says we are a part of Christ's body (Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23,30-31; Col. 1:18,24), he means that our union with Christ is physical, not just spiritual. But our union with Christ can only be physical if He is actually giving us something physical, that is Himself, which is His body and blood to consume (otherwise it is a mere spiritual union).

Luke 14:15 - blessed is he who eats this bread in the kingdom of God, on earth and in heaven.

Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24-25 - Jesus commands the apostles to "do this," that is, offer the Eucharistic sacrifice, in remembrance of Him.

Luke 24:26-35 - in the Emmaus road story, Jesus gives a homily on the Scriptures and then follows it with the celebration of the Eucharist. This is the Holy Mass, and the Church has followed this order of the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist for 2,000 years.

Luke 24:30-31,35 - Jesus is known only in the breaking of bread. Luke is emphasizing that we only receive the fullness of Jesus by celebrating the Eucharistic feast of His body and blood, which is only offered in its fullness by the Catholic Church.

John 1:14 - literally, this verse teaches that the Word was made flesh and "pitched His tabernacle" among us. The Eucharist, which is the Incarnate Word of God under the appearance of bread, is stored in the tabernacles of Catholic churches around the world.

John 21:15,17 - Jesus charges Peter to "feed" His sheep, that is, with the Word of God through preaching and the Eucharist.

Acts 9:4-5; 22:8; 26:14-15 – Jesus asks Saul, “Why are you persecuting me?” when Saul was persecuting the Church. Jesus and the Church are one body (Bridegroom and Bride), and we are one with Jesus through His flesh and blood (the Eucharist).

1 Cor. 12:13 - we "drink" of one Spirit in the Eucharist by consuming the blood of Christ eternally offered to the Father.

Heb. 10:25,29 - these verses allude to the reality that failing to meet together to celebrate the Eucharist is mortal sin. It is profaning the body and blood of the Lord.

Heb. 12:22-23 - the Eucharistic liturgy brings about full union with angels in festal gathering, the just spirits, and God Himself, which takes place in the assembly or "ecclesia" (the Church).

Heb. 12:24 - we couldn't come to Jesus' sprinkled blood if it were no longer offered by Jesus to the Father and made present for us.

2 Pet. 1:4 - we partake of His divine nature, most notably through the Eucharist - a sacred family bond where we become one.

Rev. 2:7; 22:14 - we are invited to eat of the tree of life, which is the resurrected flesh of Jesus which, before, hung on the tree.
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"The Triumph of God's Kingdom in the Millennium and End Times"

A Proper Belief from the Truth in Scripture and Church Teachings

by Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, OSJ



Just what is the Millennium and is it an acceptable part of Roman Catholic teaching? What follows is a brief summary of Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi’s landmark book. The book clears up two points that are very relevant to the current dialog among Christians regarding the end times – Jesus does not come in the flesh to usher in the Millennium, nor does the Rapture begin the Millennium.


To summarize very briefly, there will be two tribulations, two triumphs, two remnants andtwo kingdoms. One set of these events occurs at the beginning of the Millennium, and the other at its end.


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I pasted a summary from the book by Father Iannuzzi. The book is about the end-times we are living in now and the time after called the Millennium, also referred to in the prophetic as the Era of Peace.

My own words included, some explanation of the short summary, included some of my understanding of prophecy.

Father Iannuzzi's quotes and my words are in bold.

There will be two tribulations - first tribulation (anti-Christ) and second - the great tribulation (Gog, Prince of Magog)

The first trib, the world is experiencing the start of at present. I read in the messages from Heaven, God is going to remove all evil from the earth. The great trib, the second...comes after the millennium, it is the final battle before the Final Judgment._ _ _

Two triumphs, - first instance of General Judgment (the prophesied Great Warning) and abolishment of the earth's evil doers. Temporal kingdom or era of peace (transformed earth). Trib and the Chastisement comes before the new time, the new era...the Millennium. (the
1000 years may not be literal)
second triumph, Great Trbulation (Gog, Prince of Magog)which is the final battle resurrection of all bodies (Rapture) second instance of General Judgment is the Final Judgment the end of the world as we know it - New Heavens and New Earth.

Two remnants, the first remnant are living now and will face the anti-Christ. The second Remnant will live during the time of the final battle on earth.

two kingdoms, I ...The first kingdom is the Era of Peace (the millenium) following trib and the Chastisement. Jesus reigns during the Millennium, in the new time on earth, spiritually, Our Lord doesn't come in person. It will be the Eucharistic reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The second kingdom happens after the Final Judgment. This is the time, at the Final Judgment that "the Rapture" occurs...after the final trumpet is blown. Then, the faithful are given glorified bodies to live in the kingdom of Heaven.

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To share, one quote from the early writings of the Fathers of the Church, which say the same:

..."when its thousand years are over, within which
period is completed the resurrection of the saints...
there will ensue the destruction of the world and the
confligration of all things at the judgment: we shall then
be changed in a moment into the substance of angels, even
by the investiture of an incorruptible nature, and so
be removed to the kingdom in Heaven [the New Jerusalem]"
(Adversus Marcion Ibid.).
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This is what I don't understand. How can someone
believe in Millenarianism (sp)? How can Jesus come
to the earth 3 times when Christians believe
the Second Coming is the Final Judgment?

...the rapture will occur right after the tribulation and immediately before the Second Coming of Christ. This view can be consistent with Scripture and Catholic teaching to the extent it holds that the rapture and Christ’s Second Coming occur together, after the tribulation and the Church Militant on earth. See, for example, Matt. 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thess. 1:1-12.

Now that's the final Tribulation. We are in the Trib before
the new time.
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Re: Foreshadowing in the Bible
This is what I don't understand. How can someone
believe in Millenarianism (sp)? How can Jesus come
to the earth 3 times when Christians believe
the Second Coming is the Final Judgment?

...the rapture will occur right after the tribulation and immediately before the Second Coming of Christ. This view can be consistent with Scripture and Catholic teaching to the extent it holds that the rapture and Christ’s Second Coming occur together, after the tribulation and the Church Militant on earth. See, for example, Matt. 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thess. 1:1-12.

Now that's the final Tribulation. We are in the Trib before
the new time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825010


Yes I agree with this as if you want to call it a Rapture thats fine, your placement of it and when it occurs is the important part, at that 7th Trumpet.

Also many people misunderstand this period of time, this 6000 years is a small Harvest, and it takes great labor to get this harvest. Not everyone is called in this time, nor do I imply I am called. The harvest of the Feast of Firstfruits is a small harvest. I believe Jesus was here before he came to be known as Jesus Christ.
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Re: Foreshadowing in the Bible
I posted an excerpt this message under another thread about
Bible verses. The thread included Scripture verses about the abomination of Desolation...and the OP spoke of of typology.

The abomination of desolation is misinterpreted by Protestants
because they do not understand or accept the Holy Sacrifice
of the Mass. Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist.




Manna is type, foreshadowing something far greater in the future. Jesus our God and Savior humbly gives Himself to us in the consecrated host. Manna in the old covenant type of the New Covenant manna, the Holy Eucharist.

Daniel is misinterpreted, read the prophetic message below.



GOD SPEAKS WILL YOU LISTEN

A soul who does not partake of My Eucharist remains a spiritual baby. Just as a human baby must eat solid food to grow to adulthood, so spiritually you must receive graces through the sacraments to mature to spiritual adulthood. The baby must be fed to grow. Likewise, the soul must be fed to grow and mature. Satan know the truth.
This is why he has deceived many of My people with false interpretations of My Scripture. Many teach the anti-Christ
will resume the Jewish sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem to constitute the abomination of desolation. This
is a false teaching, not from God but from human understanding. My son, in the book of Daniel, the persecution by the Jews under Antiochus can be considered a partial fulfillment of the abomination of Desolation. But the complete fulfillment has not yet taken place. At My death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by My new covenant. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is My Church, not the modern notion of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of My Church through Sanctifying Grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel of the abomination of will occur: When the continual sacrifice of the Mass is abolished by the false prophet and anti-Christ. Acceptance of the Protestant doctrine of the Mass by an antipope will be the fulfillment of the prophecy. The temple of God is My Holy Roman Catholic Church.
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Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.


You're acting just like a virus, trying to spread false religion to otherwise healthy minds!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


The whole of christianity IS a virus, and this infection has been spreading for 2000 years.
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This is what I don't understand. How can someone
believe in Millenarianism (sp)? How can Jesus come
to the earth 3 times when Christians believe
the Second Coming is the Final Judgment?

...the rapture will occur right after the tribulation and immediately before the Second Coming of Christ. This view can be consistent with Scripture and Catholic teaching to the extent it holds that the rapture and Christ’s Second Coming occur together, after the tribulation and the Church Militant on earth. See, for example, Matt. 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thess. 1:1-12.

Now that's the final Tribulation. We are in the Trib before
the new time.

~ ~ ~~ ~ ~


Yes I agree with this as if you want to call it a Rapture thats fine, your placement of it and when it occurs is the important part, at that 7th Trumpet.

Also many people misunderstand this period of time, this 6000 years is a small Harvest, and it takes great labor to get this harvest. Not everyone is called in this time, nor do I imply I am called. The harvest of the Feast of Firstfruits is a small harvest. I believe Jesus was here before he came to be known as Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: ReD\\//ToRnado 658677



It's nice we agree about something and yes, Rapture is not
a Catholic term.

I don't know what you meant by your last sentence? Be careful about personal opinion.


see you,
ReD\\//ToRnado (OP)
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Re: Foreshadowing in the Bible
Jesus appeared to Abram, along with the 2 Angels that looked like men, though they were not men, they are described as angels. These angels looked so good to the people of Sodom they wanted to "know them" Biblical term for have sex with them. These angels were with the being who would become known as Jesus, when these Sodomites tried to break the door down to get at these 2 angels the angels blinded these people, they fled Sodom and it was burned up.

Jesus appeared before this also. There are more verses.

Gen 18:1
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Gen 18:3
And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Gen 21:1
And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken.
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What does everyone think about these verses?

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