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The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles
The Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. Please learn about the religion.

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The Roman Catholic Church is the largest Christian church, with over one billion members. The Church maintains the claim that it is both organizationally and doctrinally the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the rest of the Apostles and claims an unbroken Apostolic Succession with grace transferred through the laying on of hands. It is the oldest continuously operating institution in existence.

Members generally prefer the term Catholic Church, but this term has multiple meanings (see Catholicism); the term Roman Catholic Church is used in this article to avoid confusion. The relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Western or Latin and the Eastern Churches within it is dealt with below.

The Second Vatican Council’s Decree on the Church Lumen Gentium, 8,[1] ( [link to www.vatican.va] declared that "the sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic" has a concrete realization (the Latin term is "subsistit") "in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him". "Successor of Peter" refers to the Pope.

Contents [showhide]
1 Overview

2 Teaching

2.1 Social teaching


3 Sacraments

4 Liturgy

5 Doctrine

6 Particular Churches within the single Roman Catholic Church

6.1 Particular Churches or Rites
6.2 Particular or Local Churches
6.3 Theological significance


7 Organization

7.1 The Pope
7.2 The Bishops
7.3 Other Clergy


8 Worldwide Distribution

9 Criticisms

10 Additional reading

11 See also

12 External links

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Overview
The Roman Catholic Church has a worldwide membership that worships in every country on earth. It is a hierarchical organisation in which ordained clergy are divided into the orders of bishops, priests and deacons. The world is divided into over a thousand bishoprics, each with a presiding bishop, responsible for the religious welfare of the believers in his geographical area. The principal bishopric is that of Rome, whose occupant is known as the Pope, considered to be a direct successor of the original leader of the Church, Saint Peter. Administrative authority in the Church is vested in the Pope and his ecclesiastical administrators, known as the Curia in the Vatican City.

The Church sees itself as a mystical body set up by Jesus Christ whose aim is the salvation of souls. The Church accomplishes this goal through teaching and through administration of sacraments including baptism, communion, and forgiveness of sins, which grant graces to the believer. Teaching authority is held by the magisterium of the Church, whose teachings are based on both scripture and apostolic tradition. As well as ordained secular clergy, the Church encourages monasticism, and has many orders of monks, friars and nuns who live in celibacy, and devote their lives entirely to God. Other religious practices include fasting, prayer, penance, pilgrimage and meditation.

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Teaching
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Social teaching
Main article: Catholic social teaching

The Church holds that the teachings of Jesus call its members to act a particular way in their dealings with the rest of humanity. Among these teachings, as they have been elaborated in recent decades by Catholic thinkers, Bishops´ statements and Papal encyclicals, are that every person has a right to life and to a decent minimum standard of living, that humanity´s use of God´s creation implies a responsibility to protect the environment, and that the range of circumstances under which military force is permissible is extremely limited.

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Sacraments
The Roman Catholic Church recognizes and administers seven sacraments, which are considered gifts of Christ through the Church which give Divine grace to those who receive them. The sacraments are listed here with reference to the section of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) that deals with each.

Baptism: CCC 1213-1284 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
Confirmation: CCC1285-1321 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
Eucharist: CCC 1322-1419 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
Reconciliation and Penance (Confession): CCC 1422-1498 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
Anointing of the Sick: CCC 1499-1532 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
Holy Orders: CCC 1536-1600 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
Matrimony: CCC 1601-1666 ( [link to www.vatican.va]
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Liturgy
The centre of the Roman Catholic Church´s life is the liturgical service of the Eucharist or Mass. On each Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation or on the evening before, Catholics have an obligation to participate in this celebration. For further information, see the article Mass (liturgy) and the references in that article.

Another especially important part of the Church´s continual prayer is the Liturgy of the Hours, whose particular characteristic is to consecrate the course of day and night. Lauds and Vespers (morning and evening prayer) are the principal hours. To these are added one or three intermediate prayer periods (traditionally called Terce, Sext and None), another prayer period to end the day (Compline), and a special period at no fixed time devoted chiefly to readings from the Scriptures and ecclesiastical writers. The prayers consist principally of the Psalter or Book of Psalms. Like the Mass, the Liturgy of the Hours has inspired great musical compositions. Earlier names for the Liturgy of the Hours were the Divine Office (a name still used as the title of one English translation), the Book of Hours, and the Breviary.

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Doctrine
The Roman Catholic Church attributes very high authority to 21 Ecumenical Councils: Nicaea I (325), Constantinople I (381), Ephesus (431), Chalcedon (451), Constantinople II (553), Constantinople III (680-681), Nicaea II (787), Constantinople IV (869-870), Lateran I (1123), Lateran II (1139), Lateran III (1179), Lateran IV (1215), Lyons I (1245), Lyons II (1274), Vienne (1311-1312), Constance (1414-1418), Florence (1438-1445), Lateran V (1512-1517), Trent (1545-1563), Vatican I (1869-1870), Vatican II (1962-1965).

Of these, the Orthodox Churches of Byzantine tradition accept only the first seven, the family of "non-Chalcedonian" Churches only the first three, and the Christians of Nestorian tradition only the first two.

Dialogue has shown that even where the break with one of these ancient Churches occurred as far back as the Councils of Ephesus (431) and Chalcedon (451), long before the break with Constantinople (1054), the few doctrinal differences often concern terminology, not substance.

Emblematic is the "Common Christological Declaration between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East" [2] ( [link to www.vatican.va] (note the use in an inter-Church document of "Catholic Church" rather than "Roman Catholic Church"), signed by "His Holiness John Paul II, Bishop of Rome and Pope of the Catholic Church, and His Holiness Mar Dinkha IV, Catholicos-Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East", on 11 November 1994. The division between the two Churches in question goes back to the disputes over the legitimacy of the expression "Mother of God" (as well as "Mother of Christ") for the Virgin Mary that came to a head at the Council of Ephesus in 431. The Common Declaration recalls that the Assyrian Church of the East prays the Virgin Mary as "the Mother of Christ our God and Saviour", and the Catholic tradition addresses the Virgin Mary as "the Mother of God" and also as "the Mother of Christ", fuller expressions by which each Church clearly acknowledges both the divinity and the humanity of Mary´s son. The co-signers of the Common Declaration could thus state: "We both recognize the legitimacy and rightness of these expressions of the same faith and we both respect the preference of each Church in her liturgical life and piety."

Some, at least, of the most difficult questions in relations with the ancient Eastern Churches concern not so much doctrine as practical matters such as the concrete exercise of the claim to papal primacy and how to ensure that ecclesial union would not mean mere absorption of the smaller Churches by the Latin component of the much larger Roman Catholic Church (the most numerous single religious denomination in the world), and the stifling or abandonment of their own rich theological, liturgical and cultural heritage.

The Magisterium is the authoritative teaching body of Roman Catholicism. It includes theologians but primarily is the bishops of the Church. Catholics understand that the richness of varied interpretations can lead to contradictions on doctrine and that Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to guide the Church. The view is that that promise is kept through the Magisterium when it teaches on faith and morals; it is not understood that the Holy Spirit is necessarily guiding an individual believer. There is a tradition of mentoring the young Jewish boy to pronounce the words of the Torah (since no vowels are written) that not only insures the oral element but significantly even if incidentally...insures the written. That is a metaphor for the Roman Catholic belief of both Oral and Written Tradition, of magisterium and Scripture.

There are much greater differences with the doctrinal views of Protestants, whom Roman Catholics feel have broken continuity with the past, and the true teachings of the apostles, for the sake of what Protestants believe to be the true teaching of the apostles. But even with these groups, dialogue has on both sides clarified some misunderstandings of what the other believes.

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Particular Churches within the single Roman Catholic Church
Unlike "families" or "communions" of Churches that see themselves as distinct Churches, the Church of those who are in full communion with the Pope considers itself a single Church, not a federation of Churches. It has authoritatively expressed this self-understanding in, for instance, the 28 May 1992 Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on some aspects of the Church understood as communion, 9.[3] ( [link to www.vatican.va]

Accordingly it has never adopted the usage of those who apply the term "Roman Catholic" to the Latin or Western Church alone, to the exclusion of the Eastern Churches that also are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome. When it employs the term "Roman Catholic Church", which it rarely does except in its relations with other Churches, it means the whole Church "governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him", wherever they live and whether they are of Eastern or Western tradition. The only other meaning it would give to "Roman Catholic" is "a Catholic who lives in Rome", as a Catholic who lives in Warsaw could be called a Warsaw Catholic. It could, also, refer to the whole Church, which happens to be based in Rome.

On the other hand, the Roman Catholic Church attaches great importance to the particular Churches within it, whose theological significance the Second Vatican Council highlighted. Two categories of particular Churches are distinguished.

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Particular Churches or Rites
The higher level of particular Churches is that of what the Second Vatican Council’s Decree on the Catholic Eastern Churches Orientalium Ecclesiarum, 2 [4] ( [link to www.vatican.va] calls "particular Churches or rites". The long-established use of the term "rite" for these particular Churches is due to the central place that the Eucharist holds in the Roman Catholic Church, making each particular Church´s liturgy its most noted distinguishing mark.

However, the word "rite" is used not only of particular Churches but also of liturgical rites. Examples are the Ambrosian rite, the Mozarabic rite and the Roman rite, different liturgical rites used within the one Latin particular Church or Latin rite (singular). And terms such as "Byzantine rite" may refer to a liturgical rite used by more than one particular Church. To avoid the ambiguity to be found in the terms "particular Church" and "rite", the 1983 Code of Canon Law adopted instead the term "autonomous ritual Church" (in Latin, "Ecclesia ritualis sui iuris") for the same reality; and the 1990 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches shortened this to "autonomous Church" (in Latin, "Ecclesia sui iuris").

The autonomy of each such Church, Eastern or Western, shows in its distinctive liturgy, canon law, theological tradition etc. The Latin or Western particular Church is governed by the Code of Canon Law, while the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches outlines the discipline that the Eastern particular Churches have in common.

The official yearly Vatican directory, Annuario Pontificio (Libreria Editrice Vaticana), gives the following list of rites (in the sense of particular Churches) within the Roman Catholic Church:

A. Eastern rites of Alexandrian tradition: Coptic, Ethiopic (2).

B. Eastern rites of Antiochian tradition: Malankara, Maronite, Syrian (3).

C. Eastern rite of Armenian tradition: Armenian Church (1).

D. Eastern rites of Chaldaean or East-Syrian tradition: Chaldean, Malabar (2).

E. Eastern rites of Constantinopolitan or Byzantine tradition: Albanian, Belarussian, Bulgarian, Greek, Greek-Melkite, Hungarian, Italo-Albanian, Romanian, Russian, Ruthenian, Slovak, Ukrainian (12).

F. Latin rite (1).

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Particular or Local Churches
In Catholic teaching, each diocese too is a local or particular Church: "A diocese is a section of the People of God entrusted to a bishop to be guided by him with the assistance of his clergy so that, loyal to its pastor and formed by him into one community in the Holy Spirit through the Gospel and the Eucharist, it constitutes one particular church in which the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church of Christ is truly present and active" (Second Vatican Council, Decree on the Pastoral Office of Bishops in the Church Christus Dominus, 11[5] ( [link to www.vatican.va]

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Theological significance
The particular Churches within the Roman Catholic Church, whether rites or dioceses, are seen as not simply branches or sections of a larger body. Theologically, each is considered to be the embodiment in a particular place of the whole Roman Catholic Church. "It is in these and formed out of them that the one and unique Catholic Church exists" (Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Decree on the Church Lumen Gentium, 23.[6] ( [link to www.vatican.va]

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Organization
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The Pope
What most obviously distinguishes the Roman Catholic Church from others is the link between its members and the Pope. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882, quoting the Second Vatican Council’s document Lumen Gentium, states: "The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, ‘is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.’"[7] ( [link to www.vatican.va]

In certain circumstances, this papal primacy, which is referred to also as the Pope´s Petrine authority or function, involves papal infallibility, i.e. the definitive character of the teaching on matters of faith and morals that he propounds solemnly as visible head of the Church. In any normal circumstances, exercise of this authority will involve previous consultation of all Catholic bishops.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 891 says: "’The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful – who confirms his brethren in the faith – he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals... The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,’ above all in an Ecumenical Council."[8] ( [link to www.vatican.va]

The Pope lives in Vatican City, set up in 1929 as a minute, but symbolically important, independent state within the city of Rome. The body of officials that assist him in governance of the Church as a whole is known as the Roman curia. The term "Holy See" (i.e. of Rome) is generally used only of Pope and curia, because the Code of Canon Law, which concerns governance of the Latin Church as a whole and not internal affairs of the see (diocese) of Rome itself, necessarily uses the term in this technical sense.

The present rules governing the election of a pope are found in the apostolic constitution Universi Dominici Gregis. [9] ( [link to www.vatican.va] This lays down that the cardinal electors are isolated from outside contact (in what is called a conclave) and continue their discussions and voting (held in the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican) until at least a full two-thirds of those present agree on whom to choose. Practical requirements make it necessary to limit the number entering a conclave to cardinals under 80 years of age.

Cardinals are appointed by the pope, generally from the ranks of his assistants in the curia and bishops of important sees, Latin or Eastern, throughout the world. However, the rule about the 80-year age limit for entering a conclave has enabled the pope to give the cardinalatial dignity to older clergy particularly worthy of such recognition, such as theologians, or some who have suffered long imprisonment under dictatorial regimes.

In 1059, the right of electing the Pope was assigned exclusively to the principal clergy of Rome and the bishops of the "suburbican" sees. Because of their resulting importance, the term "cardinal" (from Latin "cardo", meaning "hinge") was applied to them. In the twelfth century the practice of appointing ecclesiastics from outside Rome as cardinals began. Each cardinal is still assigned a church in Rome as his "titular church" or is linked with one of the suburbican sees. Of these, the Dean of the College of Cardinals holds that with Ostia together with his preceding link with one of the other six sees.

Popes may abdicate. There have been several cases, but the two best known are those of Pope Celestine V in 1294 (who, though the poet Dante pictured him as condemned to hell for this action, was canonized in 1313) and Pope Gregory XII, who resigned in 1415 to help end the Great Western Schism. These are also the most recent cases.

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The Bishops
Bishops are the successors of the apostles in the governance of the Church. The Pope himself is a bishop and traditionally uses the title "Venerable Brother" when writing formally to another bishop. The typical role of a bishop is to provide pastoral governance for a diocese. Bishops who fulfill this function are known as diocesan ordinaries, because they have what canon law calls ordinary (i.e. not delegated) authority for a diocese. Other bishops may be appointed to assist them (auxiliary and coadjutor bishops) or to carry out a function in a broader field of service to the Church. Even when a bishop retires from his active service, he remains a bishop, since the ontological effect of the sacrament of holy orders is permanent.

On the other hand, titles such as archbishop or patriarch imply no ontological alteration, but are generally associated with special authority. Some of the Eastern Catholic Churches are headed by a patriarch. (A few bishops in the Latin Church also have the title of patriarch, but in their case the title is merely honorary.) Two Eastern Churches are headed by a major archbishop, a bishop who has practically all the powers of a patriarch, but without the title. Smaller Eastern Churches (consisting however of at least two dioceses or, to use the Eastern term, two eparchies) are headed by a metropolitan. Within the Latin Church too, dioceses are normally grouped together as ecclesiastical provinces, in which the bishop of a particular see has the title of metropolitan archbishop, with some very limited authority for the other dioceses, which are known as suffragan sees. However, almost all the authority of a metropolitan archbishop to intervene in case of necessity with regard to a suffragan see belongs, in the case of the metropolitan see itself, to the senior suffragan bishop. (In some Eastern Churches, the term "metropolitan bishop" corresponds instead to "diocesan ordinary" in the Latin Church; and an Anglican usage of "suffragan" corresponds to Catholic "auxiliary bishop.") The Latin-Church title of primate is now merely honorary.

Bishops of a country or region form an episcopal conference and meet periodically to discuss common problems. Decisions in certain fields, notably liturgy, fall within the exclusive competence of these conferences. But the decisions are binding on the individual bishops only if agreed to by at least two-thirds of the membership and confirmed by the Holy See.

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Other Clergy
Bishops are assisted by priests and deacons. Parishes, whether territorial or person-based, within a diocese are normally in the charge of a priest, known as the parish priest or the pastor. Dioceses too, though normally territorial, may be person-based (as, for instance, a military ordinariate).

The honorary title of Monsignor is conferred on some priests. It corresponds to a knighthood or similar honour for a lay person.

In the Latin Church only celibate men, as a rule, are ordained as priests, while the Eastern Catholic Churches also ordain married men. Both sides maintain the tradition of holding it impossible for a priest to marry. Even a married priest whose wife dies may not then marry.

To explain this tradition, one theory[10] ( [link to www.vatican.va] holds that, in early practice, married men who became priests – they were often older men, "elders" – were expected to refrain permanently from sexual relations with their wives, perhaps because they, as priests representing Christ, were treated as the Church´s spouse. When at a later stage it was clear that not all did refrain, the Western reaction was to ordain only celibates, while the Eastern Churches relaxed the rule, so that Eastern Orthodox Churches now require their married clergy to abstain from sexual relations only for a limited period before celebrating the Eucharist. The Church in Persia, which in the fifth century became separated from the Church described as Orthodox or Catholic, decided at the end of that century to abolish the rule of continence and allow priests to marry, but recognized that it was abrogating an ancient tradition. The Coptic and Ethiopic Churches, whose separation came slightly later, allow deacons (who are ordained when they are boys) to marry, but not priests. The theory in question, if true, helps explain why all the ancient Christian Churches of both East and West, with the one exception mentioned, exclude marriage after priestly ordination, and why all reserve the episcopate (seen as a fuller form of priesthood than the presbyterate) for the celibate.

Since the Second Vatican Council, the Latin Church admits married men of mature age to ordination as deacons, but not if they intend to advance to priestly ordination. Ordination even to the diaconate is an impediment to a later marriage.

The Roman Catholic Church and the other ancient Christian Churches see priestly ordination as a sacrament effecting an ontological change, not as the deputizing of someone to perform a function or as the admission of someone to a profession such as that of medicine or law. They also consider that priestly ordination can be conferred only on males. In the face of continued questioning, Pope John Paul II felt obliged to confirm the existing teaching that the Church is not empowered to change this practice: "In order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church´s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Luke 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church´s faithful." [11] ( [link to www.vatican.va] The Roman Catholic Church thus holds this teaching as irrevocable and as having the character of infallibility, not in virtue of the apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis itself, from which this quotation is taken, but because the teaching "has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium ."

What in the Latin Church were called minor orders have, since the Second Vatican Council, been reduced to two, lectors and acolytes. These are now called "instituted ministries", and those on whom they are conferred are no longer classified as members of the clergy.

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Worldwide Distribution
The total population of Catholics throughout the world is estimated to be about one billion. They may be found in nearly all countries of the globe, though are more concentrated in the Americas and Europe. They currently make up 63% of the population of North and South America, 40% of Europe, roughly 20% of Sub-Saharan Africa, and 3% of Asia [12] ( [link to www.ewtn.com] They form a majority in all countries which speak a Romance language except Romania. These include nearly all Latin American countries (among them being such heavyweights as Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina); while in Europe, they are France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. Non-Latin speaking Roman Catholic countries in Europe are Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Ireland, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. Catholics also form a majority in the Philippines, which was once a Spanish colony. A majority of Canadians are also Catholic given the strong historical presence of France in the region and the vast number of people that have immigrated from Catholic countries. Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland, as well as the Northern Ireland, are about equally divided between Catholics and Protestants.

The United States of America has a large minority of Catholics; this is a legacy of massive immigration, mainly from countries like Italy, Ireland and Germany. For example, in the United States, the proportion of Catholics grew from virtually nothing in 1790 to about a quarter of the total by 1920, a proportion that remains today. Catholicism in Britain, meanwhile, underwent a revival in the 1800´s and early 1900´s after three centuries of relentless persecution.

Catholicism has spread relatively recently to some parts of the world; there are now some 115 million in Africa. Other countries where significant populations have developed are South Korea and East Timor. But, aside from an older presence in Uganda, the Catholicism in those countries tends to be somewhat more eclectic than in more established regions of the world.

The number of Catholics in the world continues to increase, through population growth in developing countries and, to a lesser extent, spread to new areas. The increase between 1978 and 2000 was 288 million. Protestant evangelicals have succeeded in making inroads into parts of Latin America, but remain a small percentage of the population. In most industrialized countries, church attendance has decreased since the 19th Century, similarly to other faiths.

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Criticisms
Throughout the centuries of its existence, the Roman Catholic Church has met with criticism for various reasons. The particular controversies are discussed in separate articles.

Historically, the Church´s response to heresy and witchcraft through the Inquisition and its association with witchhunts are subjects of criticism. The Church is also accused of being hostile to democracy, freedom of religion, and freedom of speech, and of supporting absolute monarchy and, later, Fascism and Falangism. The Church came under fire from the philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment, who perceived the Church´s doctrines as superstitious and hindering the progress of civilization. Other thinkers and academics criticised it for being anti-science for clinging to Ptolemaic geocentrism and for the famous trial of Galileo Galilei.

Contemporary criticism concerns the Church’s stance on issues such as artificial birth control, homosexuality, abortion and embryonic stem cell research. Actions by bishops or other officials have aroused controversy, with some praising them for upholding Catholic teaching on faith and morals, and others condemning what they see as heavy-handed attempts to limit a right of conscience, as when it was stated that the Eucharist should not be given to politicians who oppose legislation limiting access to abortion or support broadening access. Another issue given wide coverage has been the Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal that broke towards the end of the twentieth century.

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Additional reading
Catechism of the Catholic Church - English translation (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2000). ISBN 1574551108 [13] ( [link to www.vatican.va]
H. W. Crocker III, Triumph - The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church: A 2,000-Year History (Prima Publishing, 2001). ISBN 0761529241
Eamon Duffy, Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes (Yale Nota Bene, 2002). ISBN 0300091656
K. O. Johnson, Why Do Catholics Do That? (Ballantine, 1994). ISBN 0345397266
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See also
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Roman Catholic Church by Country
Catholic Worker movement
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Not so, Pollyannah.The CatholicS are a bunch of IDOL WORSHIPERS. Jesus and the Apostles would never bow down before IDOLS. They can claim anything they want, but, it is a lie.

God´s FIRST COMMANDMENT - THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
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In the Roman Catholic religion there ARE no gods before GOD.

Learn about the religion before you speak untruths.
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Below from a former Jesuit priest:

Roman Catholic List of Heresies
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"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" ( I Timothy 4: 1) PRIEST- 68 to 200 A.D. This name was given to those who were leaders in the so-called Christian churches back in the second century A.D. by Luciano, another so-called early church father. Most of these priests were Jews posing as Christians. The title was taken from both Jewish and pagan religions.


1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ ... 310AD.

2. Wax Candles introduced in church about 320AD.

3. Veneration of angels and dead saints about 375

4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted 394AD.

5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, ´Mother of God´, as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in .... 431AD.

6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity in 500AD.

7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year 593AD.

8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ ...600AD. The Word of god forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1Cor.14:9).

9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church about 600AD. (Matt. 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)

10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the year 610AD. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his, successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "Pope." Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Lk. 22:24-26;Eph.1:22-23;Col.1:18;lCor.3:11).Note:-Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that there is no real lst century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."

11. The kissing of the Pope´s feet began in 709AD. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19: 1 0; 22:9).

12. The Temporal power of the Popes began 750AD. When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matt 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).

13. Worship of cross, of images and relics was authorized in 788AD. This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.

14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized in 850AD.

15. The veneration of St. Joseph began in 890AD.

16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the year 965AD.

17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV in 995AD. Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Rom, 1:7; I Cor. 1:2).

18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the year 998AD. Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 7OOAD. This is against the plain teaching of the bible. (Read Matt.15:10 1Cor. 10:25; 1Tim.4:1-3).

19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and not to be repeated, but only commerated in the Lord´s Supper. (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10: I 0- 14).

20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII, in the year 1079AD. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Tim. 3:2,5, and 12: Matt 8:14-15).

21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090AD. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans 1090AD. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt 6:5-13).

22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion ...1184AD.

23. The sale of Indulgence, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the year 1190AD. Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.

24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year 1215AD. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lords Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord´s Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord´s Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor. 11:26).

25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year 1215AD. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm. 51: 1 - 10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; John 1:8-9). 26. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius in the year in 1220AD. So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24).

27. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia in 1229AD. Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John5:39: lTim.3:15-17).

28. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, an English monk, in the year ... 1287AD. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. It is fetishism.

29. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance n 1414AD. The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord´s Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matt. 26:27; I Cor. 11:26-29).

30. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence in 1439AD. There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read I John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Rom. 8: 1).

31. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed in 1439AD. The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord´s Supper. (Read Matt. 28:19-20; 26:26-28).

32. The Ave Maria, part of the last half in 1508AD. It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixths V, at the end of the 16th century.

33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible 1545AD. By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Col. 2:8; Rev. 22:18).

34. The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent in 1546 These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Rev. 22:8-9).

35. The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles, in 1560AD. True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Gal. 1:8).

36. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in the year 1854AD. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Rom. 3:23; 5:12; Psalm. 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).

37. In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility 1870AD. This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read II These. 2:2-12; Rev. 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18). Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18). 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope´s title: "VICARIVS FILLII DEI." -V.5, I-1; C-100, l-l: v-5, 1-1; L-50, 1-1; 1-1-Total, 666.

38. Pope Pius X, in the year 1907, condemned together with ´Modernish", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church... 1907AD. Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.

39. In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools ... 1930AD.

40. In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God.... 1931AD. This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431AD. . This is a heresy contrary by Mary´s own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2:1-5).

41. In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary ....1950AD.

CONCLUSION: What will be the next invention? The Roman Church says it never changes; yet, it has done nothing else but invent new doctrines which are contrary to the Bible, and has practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism. Some scholar has found that 75 % of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Church are of pagan origin. For over 1600 years the Roman Catholic Institution has been accumulating opinions made up in their own councils, plus other ideas taken from Judaism and other pagan religions which are absolutely opposite to the Word of God. This should be understood by the soul winner in dealing with Roman Catholics.

The Word of God shown there must be no relationship between the forces of darkness and light.
You will see that this list of Heresies is not product of God, but of demons. These men left the true church because they were not real Christians.

This was the beginning of the Roman Catholic priesthood and their followers ... "They went out from us, but they were not of us;" (I John 2:19)

Heed the warning of the Apostle Paul, who said: "but though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Gal. 1:9).


Realizing that I, as a Roman Catholic, am not a Christian according to the Bible, I am now willing to do what the Bible says to become a Christian. I now turn to the Lord Jesus Christ alone from faith in sacraments and unscriptural dogmas, rejecting the Roman Catholic Institution as the spiritual harlot as prophesied in Revelation 17. Being saved now by grace through faith according to the Word of God (Ephesians 2:8-10), I have absolute assurance of eternal life now, and forever in Heaven with Christ. (If you have received Christ as your personal Savior through reading this message, please send us your testimony. We will send you a Bible to help you get started in the Christian life).
Pollyannuh (OP)

12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Lester, you can believe anything you want. It´s your life and your hereafter.

The truth is that the Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus.

Go in peace.
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pollyannuh,

why don´t you learn about the pagan origins of christianity before YOU speak untruths?

most of what you believe in christianity existed in other older religions, long before christianity.


dumbass
Pollyannuh (OP)

12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Just curious, I am aware that many people find parallels between pagan practices, etc., and ALL religions.

Your point is?
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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The Celtic church was the First church.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Sorry, but you are full of shit. They didn´t even have a friggin word for Catholic. Not IDOL worshippers, huh. How come so many of you fall down and pray to craven images - lifeless statues of Saints and such? THAT IS IDOL WORSHIP! You might as well worship Baal.

It´s the GOD DAMNED Catholics that murdered a lot of innocent people during the Spanish Inqusition and Witch Trials - all in the name of GOD.

They will be answering for their blasphemy and pedophilia real soon.
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I like you pollyannuh, but you´re wrong on this one. The Catholic church was founded long after Jesus and all his apostles were dead. They did not have anything to do with it, nor would they ever. They were, first and foremost, Jews. If anything, you could say that Paul founded the Catholic Church, and you´d be closer to the truth, but even that falls short. Paul would find much wrong with the RCC as well. Peace.
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pollyannuh,

"...find parallels..."?

never mind.
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Make no mistake. They will be judged and judged harshly for all the centuries of innocent blood on their hands. Make no mistake.
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Polly,

You and I know, the TRUTH, many are MIS-GUIDED and JUST PLAIN IGNORANT!!
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Polly,

You have to have a THICK-SKIN, here to stand-up and PROCLAIM you are CATHOLIC. Don´t let the BLASPHEMISERS, get to you!
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Polly and Mysty need to educate themselves on the history of the Celtic church.
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Over one billion members , looks like you went through the broad gate. Jesus said " Enter ye in at the strait gate:for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,and few there be that find it.
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I can´t stand by and allow untruths to be spoken by people who won´t take the time to learn about the Roman Catholic religion without offering them a means by which to educate themselves.

There are many, many, many legitimate websites and "real world" books on the RCC, and rather than blindly believe untruths. I suggest that those who are interested in the truth, seek them out and learn.

Those who call me names, or say I´m wrong have no effect on me, my religion, or my faith in God.

I present information as a means to learn the truth, unsullied by any form of bias or predjudice.

Please, take the time to learn what you are talking about.
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ladies,

Unless you have a relationship with The Father, and have received The Holy Spirit within you; you have been left holding the bag by the rcc

God wants to know you personally.
HE will live within you and give you HIS Witness of HIS Truth. HE will talk to you and enable you to know things you otherwise could not know.

Jesus told us in John 17 that The Father wants us to live within HIM just as Jesus lives within HIM!!

All the catholic church has done is based on Self-will and their concepts of what God would like them to do. They never asked HIM, because they are not guided by HIM.

All the sins the rcc has committed throughout HIStory are evidence of its alienation from HIM.

How about all those bishops that let their pedophile priests continue in the diocese ministries? Why not put em to work fixing autos or filing stuff in the chanceries?

Most of these pedophiles had multiple victims. Do you excuse this?
Do you think God was in their lives?
Do you think God let these mortal sinners transmute any elements?

How many did these priests sin against beyond just those they raped? Every one who depended on them was victimized by their sin.


This is why the rcc is a lie!
God does not abide with sinners, or those who condone and excuse sin.
Jesus Christ was no sinner.

The rcc is a lie because if it were all it claims sin would not happen within its clergy.

Those who abide IN-HIM Do NOT Sin!
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Research it yourself,you DO NOT need the church to have God....To learn EVERYTHING you need to know about Catholisism read all the material you can on the "Council of Nicea"- 375 A.D. Until you understand what happened at the council you will know NOTHING of Catholisism.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Polly I disagree...the other gods I see are made of stone and have made man the Holy Father...there shall be no god but God...Even Christ instructed those who tried to worship him...do not worship any man, but Father God who is in Heaven. The Pope being considered a God on earth seems like blasphemy...IMO

Also, the Catholic church/Rome the only Church State power/gov in the world, persecuted many righteous Christians...and slayed many...Rome is not as it seems and even John Paul knows this...it is soon to meet the Rock, that shall shatter
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ladies,

You love that which you proclaim.

Your love is for your rc church, not Christ Jesus!

It is only HE who can speak for you to The Father. If we deny HIM, HE will deny us.


Put your Love, Faith and Trust IN Christ and ask HIM, "Lord, please sho me how to Come Unto The Father!"
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I like the formality of the Catholic church. These people are serious in their beliefs. I think,personally,it is based on pagan practices but, that is not for me to condemn.
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Research it yourself,you DO NOT need the church to have God....To learn EVERYTHING you need to know about Catholisism read all the material you can on the "Council of Nicea"- 375 A.D. Until you understand what happened at the council you will know NOTHING of Catholisism.----------------------


Excuse ME, you need to go back 2000 years AGO, when Jesus GAVE PETER THE KEYS TO BIND HEAVEN AND EARTH, and THE PROMISE THAT HE MADE TO HIS CHURCH, which STILL STANDS after 2000 years, just as JESUS INTENDED AND PROMISED!

You KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CATHOLICISM
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Lester, I will not be drawn into the points in your post except to say that there is a high degree of probability that pedophiles exist in every Christian and non-Christian denomination.

My belief is that there was only ONE who was born perfect. Jesus. We frail humans must keep our eyes on God and the teachings of His Son, Jesus, our hearts open to the inspirations and gifts of the Holy Spirit, and our entire beings receptive to, and mindful of, the love, judgement, and blessings of God.
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So somewhere in the bible it must say that we have to choose a poe an he will be the holiest man alive and the head of the church.

Can you show me the scripture that states that must be done?
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Wrong.

Christianity begun with the Men of the Way, originally composed by Jesus´s disciples and a few of close people.

Catholic Church came way later as wise domination tactic employed by the Roman Empire.
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Hi, Shadow.

If I may...the Pope is not worshiped by Roman Catholics, nor is he considered a "god".

We believe that the Pope is traditionally regarded as Christ´s representative on earth.

I just wanted to clear that up for you.
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So Polly- Where in the bible does it say we mortals are to elect a pope and believe he is a conduit to god?


Also- you don´t have a problem with the fact that the RCC wanted to keep the bible out of the hands of the people and interpret it for them?

Why do I have o confess my sins to a priest?

The bible says I can go straight to God instead....


RCC twisted christianity to allow more control over the people. Of course those that follow can´t see it....
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If we are Born-Again, alive within The Father, we no longer will continue to sin.

If you embrace the delusions and denials of the rcc, Polly, you are failing to focus on Christ.


Do you have a Conviction for Jesus, or simply incorporate HIM into your belief system because the rcc says HE has to be there?

Which came first? Christ Jesus or the rcc?


You are in serious denial of Christ if you cannot proclaim HIM as your reason for living.
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Polly-

You said "We believe that the Pope is traditionally regarded as Christ´s representative on earth."


Can you show me one scripture from the bible that reinforces that as being the correct thing to do?

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