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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Not so, Pollyannah.The CatholicS are a bunch of IDOL WORSHIPERS. Jesus and the Apostles would never bow down before IDOLS. They can claim anything they want, but, it is a lie. God´s FIRST COMMANDMENT - THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. |
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Lester (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Below from a former Jesuit priest: Roman Catholic List of Heresies A. I. C. International Christian Ministries P.O. Box 1513 Upland, Ca. 91786 (714) 357-3588 (714) 357-3589 Copyright 1981, Dr. Alberto R. Rivera "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" ( I Timothy 4: 1) PRIEST- 68 to 200 A.D. This name was given to those who were leaders in the so-called Christian churches back in the second century A.D. by Luciano, another so-called early church father. Most of these priests were Jews posing as Christians. The title was taken from both Jewish and pagan religions. 1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ ... 310AD. 2. Wax Candles introduced in church about 320AD. 3. Veneration of angels and dead saints about 375 4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted 394AD. 5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, ´Mother of God´, as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in .... 431AD. 6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity in 500AD. 7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year 593AD. 8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ ...600AD. The Word of god forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1Cor.14:9). 9. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church about 600AD. (Matt. 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18) 10. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas, in the year 610AD. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory I, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his, successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "Pope." Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Lk. 22:24-26;Eph.1:22-23;Col.1:18;lCor.3:11).Note:-Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that there is no real lst century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome." 11. The kissing of the Pope´s feet began in 709AD. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Rev. 19: 1 0; 22:9). 12. The Temporal power of the Popes began 750AD. When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matt 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38). 13. Worship of cross, of images and relics was authorized in 788AD. This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time. 14. Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized in 850AD. 15. The veneration of St. Joseph began in 890AD. 16. The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV, in the year 965AD. 17. Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV in 995AD. Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Rom, 1:7; I Cor. 1:2). 18. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed in the year 998AD. Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 7OOAD. This is against the plain teaching of the bible. (Read Matt.15:10 1Cor. 10:25; 1Tim.4:1-3). 19. The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and not to be repeated, but only commerated in the Lord´s Supper. (Read Heb.7:27; 9:26-28; 10: I 0- 14). 20. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII, in the year 1079AD. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Tim. 3:2,5, and 12: Matt 8:14-15). 21. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090AD. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans 1090AD. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matt 6:5-13). 22. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion ...1184AD. 23. The sale of Indulgence, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin, began in the year 1190AD. Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic, and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. 24. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year 1215AD. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lords Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord´s Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord´s Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; I Cor. 11:26). 25. Confession of sins to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III, in the Lateran Council, in the year 1215AD. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm. 51: 1 - 10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; John 1:8-9). 26. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius in the year in 1220AD. So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24). 27. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia in 1229AD. Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John5:39: lTim.3:15-17). 28. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, an English monk, in the year ... 1287AD. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. It is fetishism. 29. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance n 1414AD. The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord´s Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matt. 26:27; I Cor. 11:26-29). 30. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence in 1439AD. There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read I John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Rom. 8: 1). 31. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed in 1439AD. The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord´s Supper. (Read Matt. 28:19-20; 26:26-28). 32. The Ave Maria, part of the last half in 1508AD. It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixths V, at the end of the 16th century. 33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible 1545AD. By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Col. 2:8; Rev. 22:18). 34. The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent in 1546 These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Rev. 22:8-9). 35. The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles, in 1560AD. True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Gal. 1:8). 36. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in the year 1854AD. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Rom. 3:23; 5:12; Psalm. 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47). 37. In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility 1870AD. This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read II These. 2:2-12; Rev. 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18). Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18). 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope´s title: "VICARIVS FILLII DEI." -V.5, I-1; C-100, l-l: v-5, 1-1; L-50, 1-1; 1-1-Total, 666. 38. Pope Pius X, in the year 1907, condemned together with ´Modernish", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church... 1907AD. Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864. 39. In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools ... 1930AD. 40. In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God.... 1931AD. This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431AD. . This is a heresy contrary by Mary´s own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2:1-5). 41. In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary ....1950AD. CONCLUSION: What will be the next invention? The Roman Church says it never changes; yet, it has done nothing else but invent new doctrines which are contrary to the Bible, and has practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism. Some scholar has found that 75 % of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Church are of pagan origin. For over 1600 years the Roman Catholic Institution has been accumulating opinions made up in their own councils, plus other ideas taken from Judaism and other pagan religions which are absolutely opposite to the Word of God. This should be understood by the soul winner in dealing with Roman Catholics. The Word of God shown there must be no relationship between the forces of darkness and light. You will see that this list of Heresies is not product of God, but of demons. These men left the true church because they were not real Christians. This was the beginning of the Roman Catholic priesthood and their followers ... "They went out from us, but they were not of us;" (I John 2:19) Heed the warning of the Apostle Paul, who said: "but though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Gal. 1:9). Realizing that I, as a Roman Catholic, am not a Christian according to the Bible, I am now willing to do what the Bible says to become a Christian. I now turn to the Lord Jesus Christ alone from faith in sacraments and unscriptural dogmas, rejecting the Roman Catholic Institution as the spiritual harlot as prophesied in Revelation 17. Being saved now by grace through faith according to the Word of God (Ephesians 2:8-10), I have absolute assurance of eternal life now, and forever in Heaven with Christ. (If you have received Christ as your personal Savior through reading this message, please send us your testimony. 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just curious also (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles why don´t you learn about the pagan origins of christianity before YOU speak untruths? most of what you believe in christianity existed in other older religions, long before christianity. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Sorry, but you are full of shit. They didn´t even have a friggin word for Catholic. Not IDOL worshippers, huh. How come so many of you fall down and pray to craven images - lifeless statues of Saints and such? THAT IS IDOL WORSHIP! You might as well worship Baal. It´s the GOD DAMNED Catholics that murdered a lot of innocent people during the Spanish Inqusition and Witch Trials - all in the name of GOD. They will be answering for their blasphemy and pedophilia real soon. |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles I like you pollyannuh, but you´re wrong on this one. The Catholic church was founded long after Jesus and all his apostles were dead. They did not have anything to do with it, nor would they ever. They were, first and foremost, Jews. If anything, you could say that Paul founded the Catholic Church, and you´d be closer to the truth, but even that falls short. Paul would find much wrong with the RCC as well. Peace. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Over one billion members , looks like you went through the broad gate. Jesus said " Enter ye in at the strait gate:for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,and few there be that find it. |
Pollyannuh (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles I can´t stand by and allow untruths to be spoken by people who won´t take the time to learn about the Roman Catholic religion without offering them a means by which to educate themselves. There are many, many, many legitimate websites and "real world" books on the RCC, and rather than blindly believe untruths. I suggest that those who are interested in the truth, seek them out and learn. Those who call me names, or say I´m wrong have no effect on me, my religion, or my faith in God. I present information as a means to learn the truth, unsullied by any form of bias or predjudice. Please, take the time to learn what you are talking about. |
Lester (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles ladies, Unless you have a relationship with The Father, and have received The Holy Spirit within you; you have been left holding the bag by the rcc God wants to know you personally. HE will live within you and give you HIS Witness of HIS Truth. HE will talk to you and enable you to know things you otherwise could not know. Jesus told us in John 17 that The Father wants us to live within HIM just as Jesus lives within HIM!! All the catholic church has done is based on Self-will and their concepts of what God would like them to do. They never asked HIM, because they are not guided by HIM. All the sins the rcc has committed throughout HIStory are evidence of its alienation from HIM. How about all those bishops that let their pedophile priests continue in the diocese ministries? Why not put em to work fixing autos or filing stuff in the chanceries? Most of these pedophiles had multiple victims. Do you excuse this? Do you think God was in their lives? Do you think God let these mortal sinners transmute any elements? How many did these priests sin against beyond just those they raped? Every one who depended on them was victimized by their sin. This is why the rcc is a lie! God does not abide with sinners, or those who condone and excuse sin. Jesus Christ was no sinner. The rcc is a lie because if it were all it claims sin would not happen within its clergy. Those who abide IN-HIM Do NOT Sin! |
Johnny Canuck (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Research it yourself,you DO NOT need the church to have God....To learn EVERYTHING you need to know about Catholisism read all the material you can on the "Council of Nicea"- 375 A.D. Until you understand what happened at the council you will know NOTHING of Catholisism. |
ShadowDancer (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Also, the Catholic church/Rome the only Church State power/gov in the world, persecuted many righteous Christians...and slayed many...Rome is not as it seems and even John Paul knows this...it is soon to meet the Rock, that shall shatter |
Lester (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles ladies, You love that which you proclaim. Your love is for your rc church, not Christ Jesus! It is only HE who can speak for you to The Father. If we deny HIM, HE will deny us. Put your Love, Faith and Trust IN Christ and ask HIM, "Lord, please sho me how to Come Unto The Father!" |
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MYSTIFIED (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Johnny Canuck User ID: 6410 4/1/2005 8:20 pm EST Send Private Msg Add to Buddy List Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Research it yourself,you DO NOT need the church to have God....To learn EVERYTHING you need to know about Catholisism read all the material you can on the "Council of Nicea"- 375 A.D. Until you understand what happened at the council you will know NOTHING of Catholisism.---------------------- Excuse ME, you need to go back 2000 years AGO, when Jesus GAVE PETER THE KEYS TO BIND HEAVEN AND EARTH, and THE PROMISE THAT HE MADE TO HIS CHURCH, which STILL STANDS after 2000 years, just as JESUS INTENDED AND PROMISED! You KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CATHOLICISM |
Pollyannuh (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Lester, I will not be drawn into the points in your post except to say that there is a high degree of probability that pedophiles exist in every Christian and non-Christian denomination. My belief is that there was only ONE who was born perfect. Jesus. We frail humans must keep our eyes on God and the teachings of His Son, Jesus, our hearts open to the inspirations and gifts of the Holy Spirit, and our entire beings receptive to, and mindful of, the love, judgement, and blessings of God. |
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idol harobed (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Wrong. Christianity begun with the Men of the Way, originally composed by Jesus´s disciples and a few of close people. Catholic Church came way later as wise domination tactic employed by the Roman Empire. |
Pollyannuh (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Hi, Shadow. If I may...the Pope is not worshiped by Roman Catholics, nor is he considered a "god". We believe that the Pope is traditionally regarded as Christ´s representative on earth. I just wanted to clear that up for you. |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles So Polly- Where in the bible does it say we mortals are to elect a pope and believe he is a conduit to god? Also- you don´t have a problem with the fact that the RCC wanted to keep the bible out of the hands of the people and interpret it for them? Why do I have o confess my sins to a priest? The bible says I can go straight to God instead.... RCC twisted christianity to allow more control over the people. Of course those that follow can´t see it.... |
Lester (OP) 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles If we are Born-Again, alive within The Father, we no longer will continue to sin. If you embrace the delusions and denials of the rcc, Polly, you are failing to focus on Christ. Do you have a Conviction for Jesus, or simply incorporate HIM into your belief system because the rcc says HE has to be there? Which came first? Christ Jesus or the rcc? You are in serious denial of Christ if you cannot proclaim HIM as your reason for living. |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Roman Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, founded by Jesus, St. Peter and the Apostles Polly- You said "We believe that the Pope is traditionally regarded as Christ´s representative on earth." Can you show me one scripture from the bible that reinforces that as being the correct thing to do? |