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[An] Open Letter of Forgiveness to Pastor Tony King, Jack Smith, Sam Kennedy and James Cavazos

 
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[An] Open Letter of Forgiveness to Pastor Tony King, Jack Smith, Sam Kennedy and James Cavazos
Ah...one who's finally seen that the light ain't on because it's not even plugged in !

I actually met the guy that wrote this and he seemed pretty intelligent at the time and I couldn't figure out why he believed this bullshit...now, at least, he's seen the non-light...Lysander

Maybe The Platter's tune "The Great Pretender(s)" comes to mind...

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Thank you for posting this information. I look forward to further
details coming to light.

On Dec 14, 7:42 pm, "tom_byr...@bellsouth.net"
<tom_byr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

We live in both blessed and cursed times. Perhaps the curse is something we bring upon ourselves... Perhaps not-understanding that we already live in a state-of-grace causes us to be fools, to do that which is foolish, to do that which is not the wish of our lord and to live-indebted-to-another.

Perhaps forgiveness is the path back to being blessed again. Perhaps forgiveness of those who have sinned-against-us, forgiveness of those who are indebted-to-us, forgiveness of those who have trespassed-against-us the most-egregiously is where we must begin.

This is what the lord has laid on my heart this day… so I must start with forgiving those men that commerce as Pastor Tony King, Jack Smith, Sam Kennedy and James Cavazos and so I shall:

• Pastor Tony King I forgive you for all the shameful lies you have told to me, told to my friends and told to everyone about who you are.

• Pastor Tony King I forgive you for not honouring any part of your agreement you made with us at the first DTC-Retreat. You made many promises in your previous seminars and on the conference calls that led to the event. You and your gang collected several-hundreds-of thousands-of-dollars for the Retreat and delivered nothing of value in return. There were no International-Bills-of-Exchange, no secrets to the DTC, no explanation of the DTCC, no details about your mother and who she was. And most obviously, no one received any-monies from theirmythical DTC account. No one received anything of value and there were certainly no-refunds for your failure. No refunds from the self-proclaimed multi-billionaire… yet, I still forgive you.

• Pastor Tony King I forgive you for taking money from those who hurt while giving nothing-in-return and for making their situations worse, for taking the last little that they have and shamefully doing it all in the name of our God.

• Jack Smith I forgive you for pretending not to know Pastor Tony and for giving him a platform to grow the DTC-scheme.

• Jack Smith I forgive you for pretending not to take part of the plotting with the PTK gang. At least James and Tony are ‘all-in’, you seem to be angling for no-culpability when it falls-apart… an act of cowardice, but I forgive you none-the-less.

• Jack Smith I forgive you for using your Monday-Night Class to help the PTK-gang gain possession of the Birth-Certificates, Social- Security-Cards and literally hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars in closed-checking account information from those you claim to be helping.

• Sam Kennedy I forgive you for creating the clever-distractions that helped make the DTC-hustle possible and of the same at-a-distance-cowardice inherent to Jack Smith.

• Sam Kennedy I forgive you for all the plotting & plans that have misled thousands and transferred their hard-earned monies into your bank-account.

• Sam Kennedy I forgive you for all the intentional misinformation you spread every-week on your radio-show about PTK and the DTC.

• James Cavazos I forgive you for your felonious-past of numerous shameful-behaviors.

• James Cavazos I forgive you for what you did to those that trusted-you and once called you ‘friend’.

• James Cavazos I forgive you for your very-significant part in the DTC-hustle, for not returning our Birth-Certificates and Social-Security-Cards as you and Tony promised, and for continuing to entrap others in the disgraceful DTC-scheme.

And now I humbly ask each of you: Pastor Tony King, Jack Smith, Sam Kennedy and James Cavazos to look into your heart and to please forgive me…

• Forgive me for being so naïve as to place belief in any of you instead of simply believing in our creator. I am truly embarrassed that I did not follow this basic truth.

• Forgive me for not realizing that I am already ‘the bank’, that I am already ‘the government’ and do not need the DTC to achieve-grace; for the lord has already died for my sins, died for my debts, died for my trespasses... simply put: I was blind, now I see.

• Forgive me for the seemingly harsh tone of this letter and for sharing my private-truths with others in such a public-manner. It is not my intention to be mean and petty for their-own-sake, as it is not unfounded-conjecture that led me to this place. I do truly seek forgiveness from those that have wronged me… and it is my hope the four-of-you will seek my forgiveness, as well as, the forgiveness of the many others you-have-also-wronged and those you are at this very moment, currently-planning-on-wronging with the second DTC-Retreat.

And to my brothers and sisters under-the-lord also caught-up in this PTK DTC non-sense, I also seek your forgiveness for not speaking-up sooner. I have been trying for over 55 days through over 20 requests, since the disastrous 1st DTC-Retreat, to get the return of my Birth-Certificate and Social-Security-Card.

And though they continue with the promises to return them on the PTK TalkShoe calls, behind-the-scenes they are harsh to any dissent and will not return the documents. Not to me, not to anyone that I personally know… I should have warned you all sooner.

I should have trusted my instincts and sounded-off immediately... but a part of me needed to wait for the “45 days of leverage” that PTK claimed was being used to “keep the DTC-Portal open” to expire. It seems ridiculous now with so-many-other-untruths recently revealed, but I needed to wait for the last day to tick-by to be ready to speak-up… please forgive me.

In the words of King David: (Psalm 26:4) I have not sat with men of untruth; And with those who hide what they are I do not come in.

Forgive me and let’s return to being blessed again.

Sincerely,

Tom B.
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These dudes will get their rewards... OP (or whomever) quit falling for these guys crapola...

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It seems to be getting a bit worse ! Remember that old saying: "If it seems
to good to be true, it probably is !"

PTK
= Pastor Tony King a/k/a Tony Fisher a/k/a fill-in-the-blank !

...we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed bank account funds !

On Dec 17, 7:39 am, "tom_byr..."<tom_byr... wrote:

It didn't dawn on me until shortly after the first PTK DTC Retreat...

We were all waiting for the first TalkShoe to start, and we were
anxiously awaiting the news from PTK- "How many of us got in?"

Sam Kennedy had gone on his show a-couple-days before the call and
proclaimed that he personally witnessed PTK take 400 packets into the
DTC... Jack Smith at the CIC seminar the weekend-that- followed echoed
the same on stage and the rumors on the Skype chat were starting to
fly about people getting into the DTC, about people getting "funded".

That bit of news was in stark contrast to the days leading up to the
call, as the rumors up until then had been pretty gloomy. James
Cavazos
had been on the TalkShoe calls spreading the sad news that we
(the marks) had all screwed-up filling-out the forms (which for some
reason were California Trust Bank forms, not DTC forms). And that
there was going to need to be another DTC-Retreat... and then after a
bit of an uproar, that was changed to PTK may be able to make some of
the very minor corrections himself and that there was still hope for
many of us...

On the day of the call everyone was starting to feel the excitement
whipped-up by the Sam Kennedy and Jack Smith performances. But that
soon ended when PTK joined the call and burst-the-bubble. No one got
in, no one, except for a select few (35 or so) in his private inner-
circle. But we learned (or were told, not sure ever learned anything
from PTK) that even they couldn't get access to their funds, because
PTK valiantly took those funds (35 x $3,500,000,000) and leveraged
them against the portal (he never explained what that meant) so that
we could keep the DTC-window-open for an additional 45 days for the
rest of us. Those few, who were never were identified, "sacrificed"
for the many. They bought us 45 days. 45 days so that we could make
small corrections to the forms and get them turned in... That was over
60 days ago.

Since then it went from working on fixing the minor corrections (which
never-happened) to somehow the hosting of another 1st-timer seminar
promoted heavily by Jack Smith and Sam Kennedy. And then that became a
2nd-full-retreat to fill-out-the-form (this weekend in Orlando) at the
deal-of-a-lifetime fee of $750 per person from the self-proclaimed
multi-billionaire. And somehow the 45 days window was never mentioned
again...

Now some of us smelling a rat on the first PTK TalkShoe after the 1st-
DTC-Retreat started asking for our documents back. And we made our
voices heard - James and Tony, along with the Skype / TalkShoe
moderators Diana Cabrerra and Mike Jeffers had promised profusely to
return these documents. They came up with a plan and promised to give
them back. All we had to do was send them a Self Addressed Stamped
Envelope or an SASE as Mike likes to call it.

As the days passed and nothing happened, we found ourselves being
censored on the calls, censored on the Skype boards and we never did
get our stuff back (Birth Certificate / Social Security Card).

But I am getting ahead of myself, this letter is about the real money
behind the DTC-hustle, so let me go back to those first few moments
after I learned that we were not going into DTC.

When it hit me, I turned green. I realized that some dishonourable-
group had not only mine, but several-hundred Birth Certificates,
Social Security Cards and detailed-information on closed-bank-
accounts, along with wet-ink signatures from the DTC-eligibility-
questionnaires - and I thought "Oh my God ! This might just be the
real reason behind the whole DTC-scam."

So I called an old-friend, someone that has been in the Commercial
Redemption movement for a very long time, someone that studied Roger
Elvick (as did PTK, Jack, James and Sam) and understands closed-bank-
accounts (though will not teach it). A man for whom I have great
respect - (and should have listened to). We talked through the whole of
the PTK DTC-plot and of how they might use the closed-accounts and
vital documents. I am convinced that this is the real purpose of the
PTK DTC-scam.


Each of those closed-bank- accounts is worth $250K (in PTKs own words).
Multiply that by the 700 or 800 people that went to the retreat (some
people used more than one account, so maybe more) and it is
conceivable that we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed-
bank-account funds.
Add to that, that they have the means to obtain
clean identities via the original birth-certificates and social-
security cards and can scan in the signatures from the DTC-eligibility-
questionnaire and they (the PTK gang) can use those funds and we (the
marks) will get the visits from Treasury.

Even if this is not what they are doing, as I do not yet-have-proof,
they have been dishonourable- debtors with everything they have done
thus far and I am very uncomfortable with the fact that they will not
return our documents and have the closed-account information - Even if
this is not something they are doing, it is a very real possibility of
something that people as devious as these can do.

To be safe, and to protect anyone else from befalling this scam, I
have contacted the FBI in Orlando (Assistant Special Agent in Charge,
Christopher Davis) and the Orange County Sheriff (Sheriff Jerry
Deming), along with the Chief Legal Officer of the Marriott Hotel (to
warn them of their liability and to remind them that fraud or the
intention to commit a crime (such as the taking of another's birth
certificate or social security card) vitiates all contracts).


It is my intention to shine some light on this - If Tony is who he
claims to be, it will not-be-[a]problem as he will have the connections
and clout to move past it, but if not (much more likely), it is my
hope that I have acted-in-time to shut the scam down before they
collect the money ($750 x 1000 est.), vital documents, and closed
-bank-accounts.

Sincerely,
Tom B.

[link to tampa.fbi.gov]
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Nobody following this ?
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I agree with this Open letter and concur that this whole Pastor Tony King/DTC is a conspiracy (dare I say that word) of sorts, but, don't look now but reports out from said Pastor's "second" retreat is that it was very well organized and 36 individuals (two of which are named in the open letter) were notified at said second retreat that they are now in the DTC. I am sure people will now flock to any "retreat" within the next 30 days.................
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Please let me correct myself, I heard that two noteworthy speakers allegely made it into DTC, but only one of those two are named in the OPEN LETTER.
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Well i have no idea what the "DTC" is but I have yet in all my life to find a club or organization that was worth a damn!
I am very concerned about some of the people mentioned as i have watched some of their taps and found them to be very interesting and helpful...
I will cut to the chase. I want to put together a "help" group and I have one rule... we do not take from victims!!! we only get paid after they have been made whole and even then only from proceeds from the imposers!! in other words, anything how can any person, group etc, claim to help or show how to make money, protect property, get it back, etc, if they are not willing to put their money where their mouth is!!! i do believe in an "honest days pay for honest days work!" but if you don't accomplish then you don't get paid!!!
Ok, look at it this way. A little old lady on fixed income is having her house stolen by the fraud bullies. So we show her, help her fill out and file forms that not only gets her house back but makes the bullies liable for several thousands of dollars, even hundreds of thousands of dollars. By contract, we get a large portion of that. So, she is ecstatic because not only does she have her house but never has to worry about them again as well as has learned how to never get in that position again as well as has a bit of funds and know how to properly invest them and we are paid tens of thousands of dollars for our service. There way? create a bullshit seminar, do tons of speaking and conning, steal what little money people have and get paid a few hundred dollars for giving complicated information they will not be able to use but will be smart enough to figure it out and sick every available agency and maybe even get together and hire a thug to take care of the business at hand. lose Lose. Because we already know that some if not most of the agencies are on the take so it won't take much of a donation to get the CIA to contact one of their hit-men or perhaps the papacy or just a local crack head will do just fine... you see what kind of thinking you beget when you rip people off? I don't and would not advocate anything other than forgiveness but i tend to turn your sorry ass over to the creator and the creator has the rest of eternity to torture your ass!!
Speaking of which does anyone have any warnings about the Creditors in Commerce group? the A4V stuff or any other? It seems that Keith Livingway was revealed recently.. any others?
Rule of thumb, if they are asking for money or possessions from you with out producing first then they are not all that. Simply, if they are all that they will produce first!! Thank you?
P.S. Before you read this you must donate $20... NOT!
However, all powers are reserved.
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bump.

This has been on my mind allot lately.

I study with a group in my area, and we do fairly well just with each other. I love listening to Jack Smith but as I was listening to last monday night's class he ended it by talking about a seminar coming up that is very expensive to attend.

I talked to my father about it today and told him how I am noticing such hypocrisy. We agreed that something isn't right with this.

My father has used a very good administrative process to settle an IRS debt, and they even removed the lien off of family owned land. We study this stuff often and deeply.

Something isn't right with the DTC plan and I felt it from the beginning. I never invested my time too deeply with PTK but I know a party who did.

On the other hand another part of me says that the failure is partially due to the fact that most people in the world are not ready to take creditor roles on this planet at this time.

On this day of the Wizard of Oz anniversary may peace and wisdom be with you all.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. -Matthew 10:16
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Now that we are approaching Labor Day 2010 the whole secret plot of the DTC is rearing its ugly head. We should all sue our STRAWMAN to get remedy ourselves while exposing the monsters behind this heinous act.

It seems to be getting a bit worse ! Remember that old saying: "If it seems
to good to be true, it probably is !"

PTK
= Pastor Tony King a/k/a Tony Fisher a/k/a fill-in-the-blank !

...we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed bank account funds !

On Dec 17, 7:39 am, "tom_byr..."<tom_byr... wrote:

It didn't dawn on me until shortly after the first PTK DTC Retreat...

We were all waiting for the first TalkShoe to start, and we were
anxiously awaiting the news from PTK- "How many of us got in?"

Sam Kennedy had gone on his show a-couple-days before the call and
proclaimed that he personally witnessed PTK take 400 packets into the
DTC... Jack Smith at the CIC seminar the weekend-that- followed echoed
the same on stage and the rumors on the Skype chat were starting to
fly about people getting into the DTC, about people getting "funded".

That bit of news was in stark contrast to the days leading up to the
call, as the rumors up until then had been pretty gloomy. James
Cavazos
had been on the TalkShoe calls spreading the sad news that we
(the marks) had all screwed-up filling-out the forms (which for some
reason were California Trust Bank forms, not DTC forms). And that
there was going to need to be another DTC-Retreat... and then after a
bit of an uproar, that was changed to PTK may be able to make some of
the very minor corrections himself and that there was still hope for
many of us...

On the day of the call everyone was starting to feel the excitement
whipped-up by the Sam Kennedy and Jack Smith performances. But that
soon ended when PTK joined the call and burst-the-bubble. No one got
in, no one, except for a select few (35 or so) in his private inner-
circle. But we learned (or were told, not sure ever learned anything
from PTK) that even they couldn't get access to their funds, because
PTK valiantly took those funds (35 x $3,500,000,000) and leveraged
them against the portal (he never explained what that meant) so that
we could keep the DTC-window-open for an additional 45 days for the
rest of us. Those few, who were never were identified, "sacrificed"
for the many. They bought us 45 days. 45 days so that we could make
small corrections to the forms and get them turned in... That was over
60 days ago.

Since then it went from working on fixing the minor corrections (which
never-happened) to somehow the hosting of another 1st-timer seminar
promoted heavily by Jack Smith and Sam Kennedy. And then that became a
2nd-full-retreat to fill-out-the-form (this weekend in Orlando) at the
deal-of-a-lifetime fee of $750 per person from the self-proclaimed
multi-billionaire. And somehow the 45 days window was never mentioned
again...

Now some of us smelling a rat on the first PTK TalkShoe after the 1st-
DTC-Retreat started asking for our documents back. And we made our
voices heard - James and Tony, along with the Skype / TalkShoe
moderators Diana Cabrerra and Mike Jeffers had promised profusely to
return these documents. They came up with a plan and promised to give
them back. All we had to do was send them a Self Addressed Stamped
Envelope or an SASE as Mike likes to call it.

As the days passed and nothing happened, we found ourselves being
censored on the calls, censored on the Skype boards and we never did
get our stuff back (Birth Certificate / Social Security Card).

But I am getting ahead of myself, this letter is about the real money
behind the DTC-hustle, so let me go back to those first few moments
after I learned that we were not going into DTC.

When it hit me, I turned green. I realized that some dishonourable-
group had not only mine, but several-hundred Birth Certificates,
Social Security Cards and detailed-information on closed-bank-
accounts, along with wet-ink signatures from the DTC-eligibility-
questionnaires - and I thought "Oh my God ! This might just be the
real reason behind the whole DTC-scam."

So I called an old-friend, someone that has been in the Commercial
Redemption movement for a very long time, someone that studied Roger
Elvick (as did PTK, Jack, James and Sam) and understands closed-bank-
accounts (though will not teach it). A man for whom I have great
respect - (and should have listened to). We talked through the whole of
the PTK DTC-plot and of how they might use the closed-accounts and
vital documents. I am convinced that this is the real purpose of the
PTK DTC-scam.


Each of those closed-bank- accounts is worth $250K (in PTKs own words).
Multiply that by the 700 or 800 people that went to the retreat (some
people used more than one account, so maybe more) and it is
conceivable that we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed-
bank-account funds.
Add to that, that they have the means to obtain
clean identities via the original birth-certificates and social-
security cards and can scan in the signatures from the DTC-eligibility-
questionnaire and they (the PTK gang) can use those funds and we (the
marks) will get the visits from Treasury.

Even if this is not what they are doing, as I do not yet-have-proof,
they have been dishonourable- debtors with everything they have done
thus far and I am very uncomfortable with the fact that they will not
return our documents and have the closed-account information - Even if
this is not something they are doing, it is a very real possibility of
something that people as devious as these can do.

To be safe, and to protect anyone else from befalling this scam, I
have contacted the FBI in Orlando (Assistant Special Agent in Charge,
Christopher Davis) and the Orange County Sheriff (Sheriff Jerry
Deming), along with the Chief Legal Officer of the Marriott Hotel (to
warn them of their liability and to remind them that fraud or the
intention to commit a crime (such as the taking of another's birth
certificate or social security card) vitiates all contracts).


It is my intention to shine some light on this - If Tony is who he
claims to be, it will not-be-[a]problem as he will have the connections
and clout to move past it, but if not (much more likely), it is my
hope that I have acted-in-time to shut the scam down before they
collect the money ($750 x 1000 est.), vital documents, and closed
-bank-accounts.

Sincerely,
Tom B.

[link to tampa.fbi.gov]
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So,what is the verdict on the DTC fiasco?Has anyone out there, actually benefitted from the seminar attendance or not?
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Well, I have been listening to the audio archives from [link to theorderofmerchants.com] and am really enjoying them. Zack James Corzine definitely comes off as caring and wanting to help. He gives examples of police encounters and is great at explaining word etymology, the court system, UCC, rights, etc.

Order of Merchants is somehow affiliated with Creditors in Commerce, but I am not sure how. Maybe C-in-C is part disinfo, part true?? I have no idea, but plan to do more research on Jack Smith.

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