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[An] Open Letter of Forgiveness to Pastor Tony King, Jack Smith, Sam Kennedy and James Cavazos | |
| Lysander O'Bibble User ID: 817552  United States12/17/2009 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Tex24  User ID: 821649 United States12/18/2009 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These dudes will get their rewards... OP (or whomever) quit falling for these guys crapola... Last Edited by Tex24 on 12/18/2009 03:24 AM |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 817552 United States12/19/2009 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems to be getting a bit worse ! Remember that old saying: "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is !" PTK = Pastor Tony King a/k/a Tony Fisher a/k/a fill-in-the-blank ! ...we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed bank account funds ! On Dec 17, 7:39 am, "tom_byr..."<tom_byr... wrote: It didn't dawn on me until shortly after the first PTK DTC Retreat... We were all waiting for the first TalkShoe to start, and we were anxiously awaiting the news from PTK- "How many of us got in?" Sam Kennedy had gone on his show a-couple-days before the call and proclaimed that he personally witnessed PTK take 400 packets into the DTC... Jack Smith at the CIC seminar the weekend-that- followed echoed the same on stage and the rumors on the Skype chat were starting to fly about people getting into the DTC, about people getting "funded". That bit of news was in stark contrast to the days leading up to the call, as the rumors up until then had been pretty gloomy. James Cavazos had been on the TalkShoe calls spreading the sad news that we (the marks) had all screwed-up filling-out the forms (which for some reason were California Trust Bank forms, not DTC forms). And that there was going to need to be another DTC-Retreat... and then after a bit of an uproar, that was changed to PTK may be able to make some of the very minor corrections himself and that there was still hope for many of us... On the day of the call everyone was starting to feel the excitement whipped-up by the Sam Kennedy and Jack Smith performances. But that soon ended when PTK joined the call and burst-the-bubble. No one got in, no one, except for a select few (35 or so) in his private inner- circle. But we learned (or were told, not sure ever learned anything from PTK) that even they couldn't get access to their funds, because PTK valiantly took those funds (35 x $3,500,000,000) and leveraged them against the portal (he never explained what that meant) so that we could keep the DTC-window-open for an additional 45 days for the rest of us. Those few, who were never were identified, "sacrificed" for the many. They bought us 45 days. 45 days so that we could make small corrections to the forms and get them turned in... That was over 60 days ago. Since then it went from working on fixing the minor corrections (which never-happened) to somehow the hosting of another 1st-timer seminar promoted heavily by Jack Smith and Sam Kennedy. And then that became a 2nd-full-retreat to fill-out-the-form (this weekend in Orlando) at the deal-of-a-lifetime fee of $750 per person from the self-proclaimed multi-billionaire. And somehow the 45 days window was never mentioned again... Now some of us smelling a rat on the first PTK TalkShoe after the 1st- DTC-Retreat started asking for our documents back. And we made our voices heard - James and Tony, along with the Skype / TalkShoe moderators Diana Cabrerra and Mike Jeffers had promised profusely to return these documents. They came up with a plan and promised to give them back. All we had to do was send them a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope or an SASE as Mike likes to call it. As the days passed and nothing happened, we found ourselves being censored on the calls, censored on the Skype boards and we never did get our stuff back (Birth Certificate / Social Security Card). But I am getting ahead of myself, this letter is about the real money behind the DTC-hustle, so let me go back to those first few moments after I learned that we were not going into DTC. When it hit me, I turned green. I realized that some dishonourable- group had not only mine, but several-hundred Birth Certificates, Social Security Cards and detailed-information on closed-bank- accounts, along with wet-ink signatures from the DTC-eligibility- questionnaires - and I thought "Oh my God ! This might just be the real reason behind the whole DTC-scam." So I called an old-friend, someone that has been in the Commercial Redemption movement for a very long time, someone that studied Roger Elvick (as did PTK, Jack, James and Sam) and understands closed-bank- accounts (though will not teach it). A man for whom I have great respect - (and should have listened to). We talked through the whole of the PTK DTC-plot and of how they might use the closed-accounts and vital documents. I am convinced that this is the real purpose of the PTK DTC-scam. Each of those closed-bank- accounts is worth $250K (in PTKs own words). Multiply that by the 700 or 800 people that went to the retreat (some people used more than one account, so maybe more) and it is conceivable that we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed- bank-account funds. Add to that, that they have the means to obtain clean identities via the original birth-certificates and social- security cards and can scan in the signatures from the DTC-eligibility- questionnaire and they (the PTK gang) can use those funds and we (the marks) will get the visits from Treasury. Even if this is not what they are doing, as I do not yet-have-proof, they have been dishonourable- debtors with everything they have done thus far and I am very uncomfortable with the fact that they will not return our documents and have the closed-account information - Even if this is not something they are doing, it is a very real possibility of something that people as devious as these can do. To be safe, and to protect anyone else from befalling this scam, I have contacted the FBI in Orlando (Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Christopher Davis) and the Orange County Sheriff (Sheriff Jerry Deming), along with the Chief Legal Officer of the Marriott Hotel (to warn them of their liability and to remind them that fraud or the intention to commit a crime (such as the taking of another's birth certificate or social security card) vitiates all contracts). It is my intention to shine some light on this - If Tony is who he claims to be, it will not-be-[a]problem as he will have the connections and clout to move past it, but if not (much more likely), it is my hope that I have acted-in-time to shut the scam down before they collect the money ($750 x 1000 est.), vital documents, and closed -bank-accounts. Sincerely, Tom B. [link to tampa.fbi.gov] |
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| WhoCares User ID: 847354 United States12/22/2009 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with this Open letter and concur that this whole Pastor Tony King/DTC is a conspiracy (dare I say that word) of sorts, but, don't look now but reports out from said Pastor's "second" retreat is that it was very well organized and 36 individuals (two of which are named in the open letter) were notified at said second retreat that they are now in the DTC. I am sure people will now flock to any "retreat" within the next 30 days................. |
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| truthmonger User ID: 877527 United States01/29/2010 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am very concerned about some of the people mentioned as i have watched some of their taps and found them to be very interesting and helpful... I will cut to the chase. I want to put together a "help" group and I have one rule... we do not take from victims!!! we only get paid after they have been made whole and even then only from proceeds from the imposers!! in other words, anything how can any person, group etc, claim to help or show how to make money, protect property, get it back, etc, if they are not willing to put their money where their mouth is!!! i do believe in an "honest days pay for honest days work!" but if you don't accomplish then you don't get paid!!! Ok, look at it this way. A little old lady on fixed income is having her house stolen by the fraud bullies. So we show her, help her fill out and file forms that not only gets her house back but makes the bullies liable for several thousands of dollars, even hundreds of thousands of dollars. By contract, we get a large portion of that. So, she is ecstatic because not only does she have her house but never has to worry about them again as well as has learned how to never get in that position again as well as has a bit of funds and know how to properly invest them and we are paid tens of thousands of dollars for our service. There way? create a bullshit seminar, do tons of speaking and conning, steal what little money people have and get paid a few hundred dollars for giving complicated information they will not be able to use but will be smart enough to figure it out and sick every available agency and maybe even get together and hire a thug to take care of the business at hand. lose Lose. Because we already know that some if not most of the agencies are on the take so it won't take much of a donation to get the CIA to contact one of their hit-men or perhaps the papacy or just a local crack head will do just fine... you see what kind of thinking you beget when you rip people off? I don't and would not advocate anything other than forgiveness but i tend to turn your sorry ass over to the creator and the creator has the rest of eternity to torture your ass!! Speaking of which does anyone have any warnings about the Creditors in Commerce group? the A4V stuff or any other? It seems that Keith Livingway was revealed recently.. any others? Rule of thumb, if they are asking for money or possessions from you with out producing first then they are not all that. Simply, if they are all that they will produce first!! Thank you? P.S. Before you read this you must donate $20... NOT! However, all powers are reserved. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1065789 United States08/12/2010 04:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | bump. This has been on my mind allot lately. I study with a group in my area, and we do fairly well just with each other. I love listening to Jack Smith but as I was listening to last monday night's class he ended it by talking about a seminar coming up that is very expensive to attend. I talked to my father about it today and told him how I am noticing such hypocrisy. We agreed that something isn't right with this. My father has used a very good administrative process to settle an IRS debt, and they even removed the lien off of family owned land. We study this stuff often and deeply. Something isn't right with the DTC plan and I felt it from the beginning. I never invested my time too deeply with PTK but I know a party who did. On the other hand another part of me says that the failure is partially due to the fact that most people in the world are not ready to take creditor roles on this planet at this time. On this day of the Wizard of Oz anniversary may peace and wisdom be with you all. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. -Matthew 10:16 |
| An Insider User ID: 1087873 United States09/03/2010 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now that we are approaching Labor Day 2010 the whole secret plot of the DTC is rearing its ugly head. We should all sue our STRAWMAN to get remedy ourselves while exposing the monsters behind this heinous act. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817552It seems to be getting a bit worse ! Remember that old saying: "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is !" PTK = Pastor Tony King a/k/a Tony Fisher a/k/a fill-in-the-blank ! ...we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed bank account funds ! On Dec 17, 7:39 am, "tom_byr..."<tom_byr... wrote: It didn't dawn on me until shortly after the first PTK DTC Retreat... We were all waiting for the first TalkShoe to start, and we were anxiously awaiting the news from PTK- "How many of us got in?" Sam Kennedy had gone on his show a-couple-days before the call and proclaimed that he personally witnessed PTK take 400 packets into the DTC... Jack Smith at the CIC seminar the weekend-that- followed echoed the same on stage and the rumors on the Skype chat were starting to fly about people getting into the DTC, about people getting "funded". That bit of news was in stark contrast to the days leading up to the call, as the rumors up until then had been pretty gloomy. James Cavazos had been on the TalkShoe calls spreading the sad news that we (the marks) had all screwed-up filling-out the forms (which for some reason were California Trust Bank forms, not DTC forms). And that there was going to need to be another DTC-Retreat... and then after a bit of an uproar, that was changed to PTK may be able to make some of the very minor corrections himself and that there was still hope for many of us... On the day of the call everyone was starting to feel the excitement whipped-up by the Sam Kennedy and Jack Smith performances. But that soon ended when PTK joined the call and burst-the-bubble. No one got in, no one, except for a select few (35 or so) in his private inner- circle. But we learned (or were told, not sure ever learned anything from PTK) that even they couldn't get access to their funds, because PTK valiantly took those funds (35 x $3,500,000,000) and leveraged them against the portal (he never explained what that meant) so that we could keep the DTC-window-open for an additional 45 days for the rest of us. Those few, who were never were identified, "sacrificed" for the many. They bought us 45 days. 45 days so that we could make small corrections to the forms and get them turned in... That was over 60 days ago. Since then it went from working on fixing the minor corrections (which never-happened) to somehow the hosting of another 1st-timer seminar promoted heavily by Jack Smith and Sam Kennedy. And then that became a 2nd-full-retreat to fill-out-the-form (this weekend in Orlando) at the deal-of-a-lifetime fee of $750 per person from the self-proclaimed multi-billionaire. And somehow the 45 days window was never mentioned again... Now some of us smelling a rat on the first PTK TalkShoe after the 1st- DTC-Retreat started asking for our documents back. And we made our voices heard - James and Tony, along with the Skype / TalkShoe moderators Diana Cabrerra and Mike Jeffers had promised profusely to return these documents. They came up with a plan and promised to give them back. All we had to do was send them a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope or an SASE as Mike likes to call it. As the days passed and nothing happened, we found ourselves being censored on the calls, censored on the Skype boards and we never did get our stuff back (Birth Certificate / Social Security Card). But I am getting ahead of myself, this letter is about the real money behind the DTC-hustle, so let me go back to those first few moments after I learned that we were not going into DTC. When it hit me, I turned green. I realized that some dishonourable- group had not only mine, but several-hundred Birth Certificates, Social Security Cards and detailed-information on closed-bank- accounts, along with wet-ink signatures from the DTC-eligibility- questionnaires - and I thought "Oh my God ! This might just be the real reason behind the whole DTC-scam." So I called an old-friend, someone that has been in the Commercial Redemption movement for a very long time, someone that studied Roger Elvick (as did PTK, Jack, James and Sam) and understands closed-bank- accounts (though will not teach it). A man for whom I have great respect - (and should have listened to). We talked through the whole of the PTK DTC-plot and of how they might use the closed-accounts and vital documents. I am convinced that this is the real purpose of the PTK DTC-scam. Each of those closed-bank- accounts is worth $250K (in PTKs own words). Multiply that by the 700 or 800 people that went to the retreat (some people used more than one account, so maybe more) and it is conceivable that we are talking about $175 - $200 million in closed- bank-account funds. Add to that, that they have the means to obtain clean identities via the original birth-certificates and social- security cards and can scan in the signatures from the DTC-eligibility- questionnaire and they (the PTK gang) can use those funds and we (the marks) will get the visits from Treasury. Even if this is not what they are doing, as I do not yet-have-proof, they have been dishonourable- debtors with everything they have done thus far and I am very uncomfortable with the fact that they will not return our documents and have the closed-account information - Even if this is not something they are doing, it is a very real possibility of something that people as devious as these can do. To be safe, and to protect anyone else from befalling this scam, I have contacted the FBI in Orlando (Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Christopher Davis) and the Orange County Sheriff (Sheriff Jerry Deming), along with the Chief Legal Officer of the Marriott Hotel (to warn them of their liability and to remind them that fraud or the intention to commit a crime (such as the taking of another's birth certificate or social security card) vitiates all contracts). It is my intention to shine some light on this - If Tony is who he claims to be, it will not-be-[a]problem as he will have the connections and clout to move past it, but if not (much more likely), it is my hope that I have acted-in-time to shut the scam down before they collect the money ($750 x 1000 est.), vital documents, and closed -bank-accounts. Sincerely, Tom B. [link to tampa.fbi.gov] |
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| Glog User ID: 1505287 United States08/14/2011 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I have been listening to the audio archives from [link to theorderofmerchants.com] and am really enjoying them. Zack James Corzine definitely comes off as caring and wanting to help. He gives examples of police encounters and is great at explaining word etymology, the court system, UCC, rights, etc. Order of Merchants is somehow affiliated with Creditors in Commerce, but I am not sure how. Maybe C-in-C is part disinfo, part true?? I have no idea, but plan to do more research on Jack Smith. |
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