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Very nice thank you for sharing I believe that the greatest writers are inspired by either good or evil to write but there is alot of truth in such books. I enjoyed reading this and you're talented as a poet and I know that we shall again rejoice as justice will be served by a flaming sword by the Lord
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Very nice thank you for sharing I believe that the greatest writers are inspired by either good or evil to write but there is alot of truth in such books. I enjoyed reading this and you're talented as a poet and I know that we shall again rejoice as justice will be served by a flaming sword by the Lord
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'Flaming Sword' I like that. Blessed are you for receiving the truth.
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It’s really quite simple when you break in down. One choice between which type of god you honor.
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That was well written and refreshing among so many pages on this forum of posts that are filled with one sentence and maybe a smiley or 2.

It's interesting that I should read this topic today, because the last few days I've been thinking about paring away all the complexities and simplifying.

I used to think it was easy to break it down, but the more I learned the more complicated it became and in that there is often the lack of balance between mind/spirit.

For one example, in the idea of a One God comes many teachings to confuse the nature of duality non-duality, which ends up actually perpetuating the duality through teachings to embrace as one. Teachings get trapped in the mind or in the emotion (and then often the emotion is mistaken as soul) and the simplicity is gone.

Another way of trapping in the emotions is a fear of change.
I personally want to see a change in the world for the better and yet people who fear that change, which will inevitably disrupt their lives even when the long term brings about a better life, see work in that area as a dark thing. That gets very strange, so thanks for the reminder and I'm reminded today to also be thankful and positive and to hold to that...to let that which is good and truth remain and the rest blow away like the dust in the wind, and to re-align in focus.

Your poem was beautiful. It really portrayed the inner fight. I must share... one time when my mom said, "be good" I literally felt emotions arise to be bad and actually experienced a conscious choice where I affirmed that I wanted to 'be good.' It was a profound experience as a kid and it felt like I was fighting an octopus. A lot of people say that we don't have choice, but I don't agree. And your *stand* at least shows what your heart desires, whether the frail human condition can follow it, at least it's what your heart desires.


oops, i've exceeded the 2 sentence glp limit. Maybe i can redeem myself and add a few smileys.
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It’s really quite simple when you break in down. One choice between which type of god you honor.

That was well written and refreshing among so many pages on this forum of posts that are filled with one sentence and maybe a smiley or 2.

It's interesting that I should read this topic today, because the last few days I've been thinking about paring away all the complexities and simplifying.

I used to think it was easy to break it down, but the more I learned the more complicated it became and in that there is often the lack of balance between mind/spirit.

For one example, in the idea of a One God comes many teachings to confuse the nature of duality non-duality, which ends up actually perpetuating the duality through teachings to embrace as one. Teachings get trapped in the mind or in the emotion (and then often the emotion is mistaken as soul) and the simplicity is gone.

Another way of trapping in the emotions is a fear of change.
I personally want to see a change in the world for the better and yet people who fear that change, which will inevitably disrupt their lives even when the long term brings about a better life, see work in that area as a dark thing. That gets very strange, so thanks for the reminder and I'm reminded today to also be thankful and positive and to hold to that...to let that which is good and truth remain and the rest blow away like the dust in the wind, and to re-align in focus.

Your poem was beautiful. It really portrayed the inner fight. I must share... one time when my mom said, "be good" I literally felt emotions arise to be bad and actually experienced a conscious choice where I affirmed that I wanted to 'be good.' It was a profound experience as a kid and it felt like I was fighting an octopus. A lot of people say that we don't have choice, but I don't agree. And your *stand* at least shows what your heart desires, whether the frail human condition can follow it, at least it's what your heart desires.


oops, i've exceeded the 2 sentence glp limit. Maybe i can redeem myself and add a few smileys.
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That would be Twitter not GLP chuckle
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Loved this book...


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Is that Hungarian Goulash? lmao
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I used to think it was easy to break it down, but the more I learned the more complicated it became and in that there is often the lack of balance between mind/spirit.

For one example, in the idea of a One God comes many teachings to confuse the nature of duality non-duality, which ends up actually perpetuating the duality through teachings to embrace as one. Teachings get trapped in the mind or in the emotion (and then often the emotion is mistaken as soul) and the simplicity is gone.

Another way of trapping in the emotions is a fear of change.
I personally want to see a change in the world for the better and yet people who fear that change, which will inevitably disrupt their lives even when the long term brings about a better life, see work in that area as a dark thing. That gets very strange, so thanks for the reminder and I'm reminded today to also be thankful and positive and to hold to that...to let that which is good and truth remain and the rest blow away like the dust in the wind, and to re-align in focus.

Your poem was beautiful. It really portrayed the inner fight. I must share... one time when my mom said, "be good" I literally felt emotions arise to be bad and actually experienced a conscious choice where I affirmed that I wanted to 'be good.' It was a profound experience as a kid and it felt like I was fighting an octopus. A lot of people say that we don't have choice, but I don't agree. And your *stand* at least shows what your heart desires, whether the frail human condition can follow it, at least it's what your heart desires.
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Hey Ziggy, thanks for reading my article and bringing it out of the depths of obscurity, but I’m afraid it’s destined to sink back down..lol.. Way too long a read for a post. I wrote it for another site where there was more relevance for it. I wanted to put it here too,, if only to make my own personal stand on the matter.

I’m sure I oversimplified things, but only to make it more ‘to the point’. I agree that religions have obscured many things by adding dualism. Some people get lost in it, feeling either ‘bad’ for not measuring up or they get into pretending to be ‘good’ and pious so they can go to heaven. There’s so much bullshit to overcome, it’s amazing we weren’t born with shovel in hand. But I believe it was given to us that way as a challenge. To give us an opportunity to search through the darkness and find the true unconditional love of God. It would have been to easy to spell it all out, but we would not have learned the lessons in a deep and meaning way. By being lost in the darkness of dualism we have a deeper appreciation for the light and the love of God. It’s something I’ve been understanding more and more lately and it’s giving me more faith as I walk through this life, learning through adversity and rising above obscurity.

I have more trust in God than ever, regardless of any merit of my doing. I determined to make a place for God in my heart/temple. I have nurtured that place throughout the years and it’s become the best room in the house for me. A place I can go to find peace when I am stressed, love when I’m lonely , and joy when I’m grieved. And if I don’t find joy right away, at least I know I have the Spirit close by and it just takes the sting out of it.
All this by maintaining a close connection to Spirit of God, which is available to all. I do this regardless how I’m living/behaving at any time. My relationship with the Spirit does not hing on my performance as a person. I drink too much sometimes, can’t handle long-term relationships, still overindulge in chasing woman,, (more or a summer hobby now.) Yah, I’m messed up in a lot of ways, but I’ll never give up on walking with the Spirit. Little by little, as I look back over the years, I can see where I’ve grown, and I feel blessed to have come so far by the love and grace of God. I guess I have come to realize I have forever to grow and learn, I don’t need to do it all in this lifetime. Let my changes be real ones,, no pretending for me. All I am required to do now is wake-up and start on the path of learning. And I do this by developing a relationship with the one true God who is like a Father/Mother those who need and ask.

Well,, better stop here,, don’t want to write another novel..lol.
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Loved this book...


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great song and good movie
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Read it again...then read King's Dark Tower series...starting with "The Gunslinger". It will give you deeper insights into who the Walkin Dude is. BTW, if you liked the Stand...you might like "Lucifer's Hammer" by Niven/Pournelle.
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Loved this book...


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Me too, loved it, read it 3 times over the years. Been awhile since I've seen that opening video, thanks for posting, I loved the opening! It had the "creepy" factor for sure. I worked in a hospital with a research lab at the time and everyone had read the book and watched the TV mini-series, we were all talking about it next day.......hmmm, maybe I'll buy the DVD if there is one.
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It was a great read and a great opening to the movie.

more cowbell baby
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Me too, loved it, read it 3 times over the years. Been awhile since I've seen that opening video, thanks for posting, I loved the opening! It had the "creepy" factor for sure. I worked in a hospital with a research lab at the time and everyone had read the book and watched the TV mini-series, we were all talking about it next day.......hmmm, maybe I'll buy the DVD if there is one.
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Ya the mini-sires was good too,, I tried to find the DVD at a couple video stores.. no luck for me. You can order it though, but it looks like it's sold in a set with 2 other of his less known movies. I think it's $49 for the set.
It's on Youtube ,, but there's a little text line running right through the picture, that would drive you nuts after the first 10 mins.

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I have more trust in God than ever, regardless of any merit of my doing. I determined to make a place for God in my heart/temple. I have nurtured that place throughout the years and it’s become the best room in the house for me. A place I can go to find peace when I am stressed, love when I’m lonely , and joy when I’m grieved. And if I don’t find joy right away, at least I know I have the Spirit close by and it just takes the sting out of it.
All this by maintaining a close connection to Spirit of God, which is available to all. I do this regardless how I’m living/behaving at any time. My relationship with the Spirit does not hing on my performance as a person. I drink too much sometimes, can’t handle long-term relationships, still overindulge in chasing woman,, (more or a summer hobby now.) Yah, I’m messed up in a lot of ways, but I’ll never give up on walking with the Spirit. Little by little, as I look back over the years, I can see where I’ve grown, and I feel blessed to have come so far by the love and grace of God. I guess I have come to realize I have forever to grow and learn, I don’t need to do it all in this lifetime. Let my changes be real ones,, no pretending for me. All I am required to do now is wake-up and start on the path of learning. And I do this by developing a relationship with the one true God who is like a Father/Mother those who need and ask.

Well,, better stop here,, don’t want to write another novel..lol.
 Quoting: Eli Eli


oh yes, the obscurity of a long post. Many come here to read all day, but, strangely they only want to read drama or one sentence replies, nothing with too many words like you present.
:o)

(see bolded letters) you may be my long lost cousin. haha
I've got a lot of relatives in your neck of the woods. If you've got a relative who died of meningitis back in 2000 then bingo, we have a match. But, regardless, you're an enjoyable person to communicate with, you have a good way with words which is a pleasure to read. well, anything on this board that exceeds 2 sentences consisting of a grunt or other cryptic messages followed by a smiley is always a joy. haha <snort> ha.

I like that you're humble b/c I've seen so many people taken down and out by ego that it's not even funny. I'm sure you have too. This board has so many deliverers and messiah's that it's almost ridiculous. There all over the place on this board. Too much mind/ego stuff going on in their nogin.

I only caught a bit of the movie the Stand when it was on t.v. as it was too dramatic for me at the time.

so, in a nutshell (lol) you'd say your *stand* is that you're trying to be healthy/good (learning what that is/means over a lifetime of trial and error) and understand a relationship with a one true God?
It sounds like a good stand for sure.
Being a work in progress is quite a thing isn't it.


After I emerged out of western new agism and then eastern concepts, and learned about the layers of experience surrounding silent sound warfare/programming through government and magic shamanism, it became easy for me to see how people go to atheism or apathy, but yet that never made sense in my heart, in the place of spirit of heart. I'm always learning too and that's why your poem was very beautiful, everyones got their own crap to work out.
'
For a long time I rejected the idea of life being a lesson, but I began seeing how it really is a ground for establishing your *stand* and that stand generally either takes a person into ego/dualism/mind disconnected from spirit by setting oneself up as the great almighty in some construct or another. It's fascinating to see how many facets of teachings that division can take on, and then just as many to try to bridge the division. So many teachings end up leading a person right back to division and ego while using the word "oneness".
Very strange interesting to watch.

So my stand is to try to listen to my dear departed moms words and 'be good'. But that's where it gets interesting b/c everyone has a different definition of what being good is. So, like you, I am reminded to align in the Spirit of the Most High as part of this creation and flow in that directive. To let go of the fears and negatives no matter who/what it is who attacks or sabatoges me while staying aligned in the Most High Spirit and to not feed the hungry wolf of hatred and anger while doing it.
an ongoing affirmation prayer and much easier said than done. I guess the alternative to that is not to care, which is very common now-a-days. Not my style as that choice makes it's own stand.

I will stay tuned for your chapter 3 on your stand.
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Here's a link to d/l the miniseries.

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M.O.O.N, That spells GLP.
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oh yes, the obscurity of a long post. Many come here to read all day, but, strangely they only want to read drama or one sentence replies, nothing with too many words like you present.
:o)

(see bolded letters) you may be my long lost cousin. haha
I've got a lot of relatives in your neck of the woods. If you've got a relative who died of meningitis back in 2000 then bingo, we have a match. But, regardless, you're an enjoyable person to communicate with, you have a good way with words which is a pleasure to read. well, anything on this board that exceeds 2 sentences consisting of a grunt or other cryptic messages followed by a smiley is always a joy. haha <snort> ha.

I like that you're humble b/c I've seen so many people taken down and out by ego that it's not even funny. I'm sure you have too. This board has so many deliverers and messiah's that it's almost ridiculous. There all over the place on this board. Too much mind/ego stuff going on in their nogin.

I only caught a bit of the movie the Stand when it was on t.v. as it was too dramatic for me at the time.

so, in a nutshell (lol) you'd say your *stand* is that you're trying to be healthy/good (learning what that is/means over a lifetime of trial and error) and understand a relationship with a one true God?
It sounds like a good stand for sure.
Being a work in progress is quite a thing isn't it.


After I emerged out of western new agism and then eastern concepts, and learned about the layers of experience surrounding silent sound warfare/programming through government and magic shamanism, it became easy for me to see how people go to atheism or apathy, but yet that never made sense in my heart, in the place of spirit of heart. I'm always learning too and that's why your poem was very beautiful, everyones got their own crap to work out.
'
For a long time I rejected the idea of life being a lesson, but I began seeing how it really is a ground for establishing your *stand* and that stand generally either takes a person into ego/dualism/mind disconnected from spirit by setting oneself up as the great almighty in some construct or another. It's fascinating to see how many facets of teachings that division can take on, and then just as many to try to bridge the division. So many teachings end up leading a person right back to division and ego while using the word "oneness".
Very strange interesting to watch.

So my stand is to try to listen to my dear departed moms words and 'be good'. But that's where it gets interesting b/c everyone has a different definition of what being good is. So, like you, I am reminded to align in the Spirit of the Most High as part of this creation and flow in that directive. To let go of the fears and negatives no matter who/what it is who attacks or sabatoges me while staying aligned in the Most High Spirit and to not feed the hungry wolf of hatred and anger while doing it.
an ongoing affirmation prayer and much easier said than done. I guess the alternative to that is not to care, which is very common now-a-days. Not my style as that choice makes it's own stand.

I will stay tuned for your chapter 3 on your stand.
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the above was me. I logged on but when it posted it showed up as a/c.

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Loved this book all 3 times ive read it. The new uncut version has the best ending IMO, but another fantastically written post-apocolpytic horror with good vs evil would have to be Swan Song by Robert Mccammon. If you think Stephen King can write characters, just wait until you are slowly intorduced to Mccammon's, where the true Good and Evil don't come out until put in life threatining ordeals. If youv'e read the stand and enjoyed it, youll love Swan Song.
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M.O.O.N, That spells GLP.
made me laugh
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I prefered the unabridged version to the tv version

but then I love my books





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M.O.O.N, That spells GLP.
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chuckle

hf
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The Stand is one of the best roller coaster rides of a book I've ever read. The miniseries was pretty good, but the book is fantastic.

Your article was terrific too, OP. Thanks for posting!
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Interesting isn't it?

It could also be that the propensity for both good and evil is always inside us too. And it's what we align to that takes us where we go.

Characters like Harold Lauder and Nadine Cross seemed to show that inner battle well.

And then there is Trashcan Man, who was so terribly afraid of the light as he traveled through the cornfield in Hemingford Home on his way to Vegas.
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter
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Here's a link to d/l the miniseries.

[link to btjunkie.org]

SDM
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Awesome!! thanks for posting the link SDM! I'm downloading the torrent right now. Beats trying to watch it on youtube in small 8 minutes clips. No so bad if it's an Hour long... But this is 6 hrs!!
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I read the book but could hardly stand the movie...
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M.O.O.N, That spells GLP.


chuckle

hf
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I don't think I get it, why 'M.O.O.N'??

Hey, love that William Blake quote you got!

It is not because angels are holier than men or devils that makes them angels, but because they do not expect holiness from one another, but from God alone. ~William Blake

Here's a poem for you,

Angel love


If I had an angel so rare to behold
I’d give her my love and my heart she would hold
like gold refined seven times pure
and this is how she would be sure

I’d gather my love, all that’s in me
and I’d give it to her, I’d give it for free
If she took my love to smash on the floor
I’d pick up the pieces and give it once more

But if she broke it again
with words she might say
I’d lay down what's left...
and then walk away.
Eli/Eli 1992
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I prefered the unabridged version to the tv version

but then I love my books





burnit
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awwwe,, look at the little reader, cute pic..lol.

I love to read too, but i haven't read any fiction for years. Mostly spiritual/mystical books and scriptures of all kinds. I'm going to start off my New Year by getting back into fictional reading for fun. Maybe I'll start with the 2 recommendations by AC:631265 and 732307 : Roberts Mccammon's 'Swan Song' and Niven Pournelle's Lucifers Hammer. They both sound awesome.. thanks guys!
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I don't think I get it, why 'M.O.O.N'??
at least see the series, if you dont read the book, which was great.
a character, tom cullen, ha, (laughing now), expressed himself with this term excessively.
he had a spectacularly low iq, hence the glp slam
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but then I love my books





burnit


awwwe,, look at the little reader, cute pic..lol.

I love to read too, but i haven't read any fiction for years. Mostly spiritual/mystical books and scriptures of all kinds. I'm going to start off my New Year by getting back into fictional reading for fun. Maybe I'll start with the 2 recommendations by AC:631265 and 732307 : Roberts Mccammon's 'Swan Song' and Niven Pournelle's Lucifers Hammer. They both sound awesome.. thanks guys!
 Quoting: Eli Eli


Read "the road" by cormac mccarthy
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Being "PC" is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end!!

Join the Church Of E.D.C.

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GLP