"fallen-away" catholic, an oxymoronic statement if ever there was one

I thought it was rather simple.

Perhaps too simple; for Lester´s over-active thryroid gland is disrupting his thinking processes.

Lester, I´m going to speak to you v*e*r*y s*l*o*w*l*y.

You don´t know me.

You don´t know the state of my soul in God´s Eyes.

Using linear thinking, your statement is nothing more than pure speculation and erroneous assumption.

My original question from the other thread still stands.

Is Rebecca another fallen-away Catholic?

Come now! Where is the love?!

Seeing then that the words of Rome have changed, would it not be wise to believe something that is reliable and eternal?

“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.” (Mr.13:31)

In 1229, the Bible was placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Toulouse, thereby effectively taking the word of the Lord out of the people’s reach. Rome’s attitude toward the word of God as a “dead and speechless book” (Question Box, 67) can be found in many of her writings. Two such examples are:

“The very nature of the Bible ought to prove to any thinking man the impossibility of its being the one safe method to find out what the Saviour taught” (Question Box, 67, 1913 edition).

“The Scripture indeed is a divine book but it is a dead letter, which has to be explained, and cannot exercise the action which the preacher can obtain” (Our Priesthood, 155).


I spit upon the heresies and carnal apostasies manufactured entirely of men and foisted upon innocent men and women who Love Christ, by the rcc.

2Thes.2

[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
[13] But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
[14] Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[15] Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

[16] Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
[17] Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

Actually Lester this would be redundant. In your belief a saved Catholic would be an oxymoron.

Lester.. Did God decided you the judge of man? No? Shut up then..

I actually prefer to use the term "lapsed" catholic.....

Here is a great example of the Insanity or Alienation that has guided motherchurch:


Recently I started reading a book written by “Fr.” Stefano Manelli, O.F.M. Conv.,S.T.D., called Jesus, Our Eucharistic Love. This book, written in 1973, has the “nihil obstat” and the “imprimatur”, so I was sure it did not teach anything contrary to the Catholic faith. In this book, on pages 52 and 53, I was startled to read that “St.” Joan of Arc received the Eucharist before going to her death.
“The same fortitude and joy was given to St. Joan of Arc when she was allowed to receive Jesus in the Holy Eucharist before going to her execution at the stake. When Jesus entered her dark prison, the Saint fell on her knees, and, wearing her chains, received Jesus, and became absorbed in prayer. As soon as she was bidden to go forth to her death, she rose and made her journey without interrupting her prayer. She proceeded to the stake and died amid the flames, ever in union with Jesus, Who remained in her soul and in that body which was sacrificed.”

According to Catholic doctrine, it is forbidden to give a “heretic” the Eucharist. One must be in the state of grace when receiving “Jesus”. Let’s read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say on this subject.

“Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion MUST BE IN THE STATE OF GRACE. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance” (#1415)
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If one “must be in the state of grace” to receive Jesus, then why would they have given a “heretic” the Eucharist?

Lester, is Rebecca another fallen-away Catholic?