REAL FEEL TEMPERATURE IN NY -2 DEGREES, THANK GOD FOR GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

-2, plenty of ice caps will be melting now...

woo hoo, now my real feel temp is -18 with this high wind we got

[link to www.weather.com]

Those oceans are going to be rising fast, man the boats.

Olean NY Feels like -2 but inside its nice and cozy. I HATE WINTER...Calfornia Dreaming

Thank God I moved away from there before winter started! I feel for you... Think beach, sand, sun.

Actually according to climate change weather extremes would become increasingly common. So this actually supports climate change. Sorry to destroy your illusion.

I can handle it for about 8 weeks, then road trip time!

Climate change is a crock of shit, my dad said when he was young the winters were colder and the summers were hotter. He is 73, I checked the historical Ny temps and he is right.

So if you still believe in climate change I got some ocean front property in Kansas for you.

Are you still buying the lie?
Read the climategate emails.

[link to www.climategateemails.com]

People who don't understand global warming react this way, because the temperature being cooler is counter-intuitive :p

Here's a nice run down on it:

[link to www.commondreams.org]
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Here's how it works.

If you look at a globe, you'll see that the latitude of much of Europe and Scandinavia is the same as that of Alaska and permafrost-locked parts of northern Canada and central Siberia. Yet Europe has a climate more similar to that of the United States than northern Canada or Siberia. Why?

It turns out that our warmth is the result of ocean currents that bring warm surface water up from the equator into northern regions that would otherwise be so cold that even in summer they'd be covered with ice. The current of greatest concern is often referred to as "The Great Conveyor Belt," which includes what we call the Gulf Stream.

The Great Conveyor Belt, while shaped by the Coriolis effect of the Earth's rotation, is mostly driven by the greater force created by differences in water temperatures and salinity. The North Atlantic Ocean is saltier and colder than the Pacific, the result of it being so much smaller and locked into place by the Northern and Southern American Hemispheres on the west and Europe and Africa on the east.

As a result, the warm water of the Great Conveyor Belt evaporates out of the North Atlantic leaving behind saltier waters, and the cold continental winds off the northern parts of North America cool the waters. Salty, cool waters settle to the bottom of the sea, most at a point a few hundred kilometers south of the southern tip of Greenland, producing a whirlpool of falling water that's 5 to 10 miles across. While the whirlpool rarely breaks the surface, during certain times of year it does produce an indentation and current in the ocean that can tilt ships and be seen from space (and may be what we see on the maps of ancient mariners).

This falling column of cold, salt-laden water pours itself to the bottom of the Atlantic, where it forms an undersea river forty times larger than all the rivers on land combined, flowing south down to and around the southern tip of Africa, where it finally reaches the Pacific. Amazingly, the water is so deep and so dense (because of its cold and salinity) that it often doesn't surface in the Pacific for as much as a thousand years after it first sank in the North Atlantic off the coast of Greenland.

The out-flowing undersea river of cold, salty water makes the level of the Atlantic slightly lower than that of the Pacific, drawing in a strong surface current of warm, fresher water from the Pacific to replace the outflow of the undersea river. This warmer, fresher water slides up through the South Atlantic, loops around North America where it's known as the Gulf Stream, and ends up off the coast of Europe. By the time it arrives near Greenland, it's cooled off and evaporated enough water to become cold and salty and sink to the ocean floor, providing a continuous feed for that deep-sea river flowing to the Pacific.

These two flows - warm, fresher water in from the Pacific, which then grows salty and cools and sinks to form an exiting deep sea river - are known as the Great Conveyor Belt.

Amazingly, the Great Conveyor Belt is only thing between comfortable summers and a permanent ice age for Europe and the eastern coast of North America.

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If the Great Conveyor Belt, which includes the Gulf Stream, were to stop flowing today, the result would be sudden and dramatic. Winter would set in for the eastern half of North America and all of Europe and Siberia, and never go away. Within three years, those regions would become uninhabitable and nearly two billion humans would starve, freeze to death, or have to relocate. Civilization as we know it probably couldn't withstand the impact of such a crushing blow.

And, incredibly, the Great Conveyor Belt has hesitated a few times in the past decade. As William H. Calvin points out in one of the best books available on this topic ("A Brain For All Seasons: human evolution & abrupt climate change"): ".the abrupt cooling in the last warm period shows that a flip can occur in situations much like the present one. What could possibly halt the salt-conveyor belt that brings tropical heat so much farther north and limits the formation of ice sheets? Oceanographers are busy studying present-day failures of annual flushing, which give some perspective on the catastrophic failures of the past. "In the Labrador Sea, flushing failed during the 1970s, was strong again by 1990, and is now declining. In the Greenland Sea over the 1980s salt sinking declined by 80 percent. Obviously, local failures can occur without catastrophe - it's a question of how often and how widespread the failures are - but the present state of decline is not very reassuring."

Most scientists involved in research on this topic agree that the culprit is global warming, melting the icebergs on Greenland and the Arctic icepack and thus flushing cold, fresh water down into the Greenland Sea from the north. When a critical threshold is reached, the climate will suddenly switch to an ice age that could last minimally 700 or so years, and maximally over 100,000 years.

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Last Edited by nomind on 12/29/2009 04:38 PM

I should discount climate change because your 73 year old nobody father said "it was colder and hotter when I was young" and you, a noted nobody, looked at some weather records?

and you a noted asshole looked at FICTITIOUS weather records and came to your conclusion...5 words for you

PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE

Do me a favor. Read the emails.

Here is just one to get you started:

Email 95 (0934921858) – to mask or not
[link to www.climategateemails.com]

Left-wing fundamentalist.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Yup I lived thru this...I was 13teen at the time and a freshmen in High School.

Cold and Snow didnt bother me then My favortie thing to do back then was Ice Fishing with my father. Silver Lake in Perry NY, Lake Erie Small boat harbor, and many others.

But now at 46 I hate the cold and driving in it sucks. especially living in the country and driving slick icy roads and no shoulders on top of hills of 1200 feet.

Try calling work up to tell them your late because the snow and ice knocked down a cattle fence and your in the middle of them. One kissed my side mirror and didnt move for an hr.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Lake effect snow